PXG Launches 0811 X GEN2  and XF GEN2 Drivers
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PXG Launches 0811 X GEN2 and XF GEN2 Drivers

PXG Launches 0811 X GEN2  and XF GEN2 Drivers

For the average golfer, nearly every conversation about PXG golf equipment begins with price. That’s the consequence – intended or otherwise – of selling drivers for $850 a pop and irons for $400 each. Fairways and Hybrids, well, they haven’t exactly been bargain-priced either, and let’s not forget about those $650 milled wedges. How weird is it that to buy a Sugar Daddy, you kinda need a sugar daddy?

The point is that PXG equipment is expensive, and everyone knows it’s expensive, so, let’s not bury the lede:

The street price for the new PXG GEN2 Driver is $575.

And no, I’d didn’t mistakenly drop a preceding “1”: Five-Hundred and seventy-five dollars. That’s all. I’ve been speculating on driver prices for nearly a decade, but I’m reasonably certain this is the first time I’ve whiffed to the tune of 425 dollars. Seriously, I was wrong by more than the cost of a Tour Edge EXS. It’s still a good chunk of change, but it’s enough of a break that if you really want PXG, you can probably find the extra $25-$75.

“The people who buy our product, most of them don’t even ask the price,” said PXG Founder and CEO, Bob Parsons. “They’ll give me a credit card and fly away on their private jet. From their standpoint, it’s not going to matter one way or the other what the price is. Whether it’s $850 or $575, they’re buying it. For the people who do care about the price, this will make a difference for them.”

I suspect that’s true.

So why the price break? There are a multitude of factors.

Ask Bob Parsons why PXG is dropping the asking price for GEN2 metalwoods, and he’ll cite business costs. It’s been plus or minus three and a half years since the original PXG line launched.  The expenses associated with entering the golf equipment business have been amortized. Increased production volume has reduced manufacturing costs, and so why not pass the savings on to the consumer?

“Our prices weren’t that high because we wanted them that high,” Parsons told me. “It cost me that much. I wasn’t making that many units, and we weren’t cutting any corners. We priced to deliver the return we needed to get.”

Under the new pricing model, Parsons says PXG is still making what it needs to make, though I’m reasonably sure I caught a smile when he reminded me, “Our prices are still the highest. Let’s not lose sight of that.”

Price will remain part of the PXG conversation, and that plays into Parsons’ assertion that PXG will continue to honor the brand and culture the enthusiasm around the brand.

“The number one concern for me,” says Parsons, “is doing the job right.”

PXG Engineers Brad Schweigert and Mike Nicolette believe the price reduction makes a bold statement. With retail costs much more in-line with the mainstream wing of the equipment industry, PXG has positioned itself to compete with Callaway, TaylorMade, and PING. PXG hopes the comparisons won’t end with the price. Schweigert and Nicolette believe that when it comes to performance, their products, especially their GEN2 products, can go head to head with the industry leaders and not only hold its own, but come out on top.

PXG wants to take the emphasis off the price and make the GEN 2 driver’s a performance-driven storyline.

“Did Bob Parsons rope-a-dope an entire industry?”

The third angle is mostly just my opinion. With every release, PXG has systematically raised prices, and while few mainstream offerings dared soar to all the way into PXG territory, there’s no denying that, industry-wide, retail prices have increased since PXG entered the market. The adage is that correlation is not causation, but there’s plenty of evidence to suggest The PXG Effect is real. Did Bob Parsons rope-a-dope an entire industry? With leading brand driver prices ready to hit the $550 mark, the competition may have climbed high enough that PXG can drop prices and metaphorically anyway, land some big punches in the market. Was this the plan from the beginning?

Maybe, maybe not.

Either way, I’m not predicting a knockout. PXG isn’t compromising its sales model. There is still no big box distribution – no Dicks, Golf Galaxy or Superstore. With the exception of GEN1 product and anything falls under the PXG for Heroes program, there’s nothing remotely resembling an off-the-rack option. Everything will still be 100% custom fit and sold through PXG’s dealer network.

The way PXG does business will limit its ability to grow share significantly – though I suppose significantly is a relative term.

All of that is the effect part of the story. If indeed it comes to fruition, here’s your cause; two new drivers that launch PXG into uncharted territory. With respect to our annual CG and MOI charts, I mean that entirely literally.

0811 GEN2 TECHNOLOGY

The GEN2 driver family will offer two models. As you would expect, while each fills a distinct role in the lineup, there’s plenty of overlapping technology between the two.

While the mass properties story differs between models, both offer PXG’s signature screw weights.

Like most everybody else in the industry, PXG spent a reasonable amount of time trying to enhance the aerodynamics of its driver. And like most everybody else, PXG provided the requisite CFD (computational fluid dynamics) charts to illustrate the point. While the driver lacks turbulators or other forms of aerodynamic trips found on some competitor’s drivers, the takeaway is that the 0811 GEN2 drivers are aerodynamic-enough.

“The bigger story with this technology is not necessarily the aerodynamics,” said PXG’s Brad Schweigert, “it’s actually the structure piece and the fact that we stiffened that crown and return more speed and energy to the ball.”

I’ll decide what the story is. Don’t tell me what to write, Brad.

Fine. The bigger story is, in fact, the structure, or in some areas, the lack thereof.

In one of those odd coincidences that sometimes happens in the golf equipment industry, 2019 may go down as the year of the raised crown feature. Not entirely dissimilar from Cobra’s F9 SPEEDBACK (and another we’ll discuss later this month), 0811 GEN2 drivers feature what PXG calls Hot Rod Technology, which manifests visually as a raised, multi-level, variable thickness crown. The design itself was inspired by the performance and styling of American muscle cars – and given Bob Parsons’ predilections, I’d wager on Dodge muscle cars specifically.

Hot Rod Technology is GEN2’s signature feature at address, and while it’s designed to look cool, it actually serves a performance purpose. The rib structures help to stiffen the crown and reduce energy loss due to deformation at impact which in turn provides more consistent ball speed. An unintended consequence of the design is that the raised portion of the crown also serves as an alignment aid, which can help to frame the ball at address. Billy Horschel swears by it, but your actual mileage may vary.

Followers of PXG will notice a reduction in the number of movable sole weights. The X model features 9 weights, while the XF features only 5. The weights themselves are heavier than they were in past models. The heavier tungsten weights are 4.1-grams each, while the black titanium weights are just under .8-grams each. While reducing weights does eliminate some of the in-between settings, the GEN2 designs retain the most commonly used settings while simplifying things a bit for both PXG fitters and consumers.

The reduction in the number of weights brings with it a reduction in the structure necessary to support them. That, along with some aggressive thinning of the titanium body structures (sole and skirt) is what, driven by improved mass properties, allowed PXG to make a significant jump in performance.

More on that in a bit.

Thinner structures and walls can create unwanted vibrations and ultimately undesirable sound and feel. To mitigate that and create a more pleasing experience at impact, PXG continues to leverage a honeycomb TPE structure anchored to the interior of the soleplate. The feel of the new drivers is unique, but not unpleasant.

Unlike Callaway and TaylorMade, PXG won’t be telling a face technology story this year. Since the last PXG driver release, the USGA has made some procedural changes to how it tests CT. Specifically, it now checks CT across the entire face, not just the center region. In the past, the narrow framework of the test allowed OEMs to push off-center areas of the face above the CT limit.

Those days are over.

You can bet some manufacturers will put a spin on it, but the reality is the changes have forced most everyone to slow portions of their faces to remain compliant. That’s not to say there aren’t other ways to gain ball speed. Schweigert says PXG has some proprietary stuff going on under the hood of the GEN2 drivers, but like everyone else, PXG has taken measures to ensure that the entire face is as fast as it can be, while still complying with the new guidelines.

Finally, it’s worth mentioning that the target weight for both heads is 206g. That’s a bit heavier than average (for reference, Callaway plays closer to 195g). The extra mass helps boost MOI, but according to PXG, 206g (a slight reduction from the previous model) was chosen because it allows fitters to hit a comfortable swing weight across a wide variety of shafts.

With the big picture stuff out of the way, let’s take a closer look at the individual models in the 0811 GEN2 family.

0811X GEN2

Visually, while both models are in the 460cc ballpark, the X features the more compact, I guess you might say, player’s profile. It’s taller, and shorter front to back.

The obvious change in the X model is a reduction in the number of moveable weights from 10 to 9. That might seem like a downgrade, but the individual weights are larger and heavier which allows for a more significant shift in the center of gravity. It should also be pointed out that back weights are farther back, front weights are farther forward, and you now have the option of putting some extra mass into the heel (draw bias). All of this makes for about 4mm of CG movement when the three heavy weights are shifted from the front to the back (or back to front).

When the Tungsten weights are forwardly placed, you get higher ball speeds, lower launch and spin (swapping a single weight effects a change of about 200 RPM). Move the Tungsten to the back and you get higher MOI, higher launch, and higher spin. Don’t take that to suggest the new X gets spinny. I suspect that when everything shakes out, loft for loft, the PXG 0811X GEN2 will be the lowest spinning driver on the market in 2019.

Why do I think that? It’s time to go into the weeds. If you find this tech/mass properties stuff, hit Ctrl+F, type the word unicorn, and skip ahead.

According to PXG, with the tungsten weights forward, the CGNA of the 0811X GEN2 sits .160” inches below the neutral axis. With our CG charts, we speak in millimeters. A quick conversion works out to about 4mm below neutral. That’s easily the lowest of any driver we’ve seen to date. Now it’s important to mention that those numbers are based on CAD projections and not on measured parts (we’re working on that now), but with allowances for reasonable tolerances, there’s not a scenario in which the GEN2 X is not among the absolute lowest CGNA drivers we’ve ever seen. With that, you wouldn’t expect the X to be super-forgiving, that’s really not what it’s for. PXG pegs the MOI at around 4400. It’s not going to be mistaken for a G400 MAX, but it does fit squarely in the low end of the 2017 average range.

To give you some additional perspective, the Callaway Rogue SZ (weight forward) was the only driver from the 2017 crop with a CG location below the neutral axis. It came in around -.2mm with MOI around 4250. If the projections are right, the 0811X GEN2 stands to push the CG 3.5+ mm lower, while increasing MOI by roughly 150 points.

Bottom line, if X GEN2 is in the ballpark of what PXG says it is, from a mass properties perspective, it’s special. It’s a muscle car inspired unicorn.

For those who need more spin or want higher MOI, the weight back setting is nearly as impressive. In that configuration, the CAD projections put the CGNA around -1.5mm (still easily among the lowest we’ve ever charted), while the MOI climbs to 4800 or so.

My initial impression is that not only is the X the low spin offering that PXG always wanted and never had, I suspect that it may prove to be the rare case where some high spin golfers may need to put the weights back, buy a higher lofted head, or use the shaft to add a bit more spin.

0811 XF GEN2

The perfect complement to the X’s low spin, the XF is your high MOI offering, though much like the X, the reported mass properties justify the X(TREME) in PXG. Compared to the X, the center of gravity in the XF has been pushed ½” (12.7mm) deeper. In the golf club engineering world, that’s a massive difference. I may have been wrong when predicted a $1K driver, but I can salvage a bit of pride in more or less nailing the MOI of the XF GEN2.

As with the X, PXG’s engineers pushed the weights as far back as the design allows for. They expanded the footprint to just barely fit within the confines of the USGA’s maximum allowable dimensions, and perhaps most impressively they did it without resorting to a shape that looks wonky or even bulky at address.

To be sure, there’s a good chance it will look larger than what you’re playing today, but it still very much looks like a driver is supposed to look. Brad Schweigert says that the initial prototypes were a bit more radically shaped, but that PXG had to make it more conventional to get them under the limit. Added Mike Nicolette, “It’s not like we had to create some ugly shape to get it done.”

So, what exactly is it that PXG got done?  Back into the weeds we go…

It pushed XF’s heel/toe MOI (i-yy) right at the USGA limit of 5900 g-cm2 and bumped total MOI (which included top/bottom MOI) to over 10,000. Nobody else in golf, not even PING with the G400 MAX, can make either of those claims right now.

Hopefully, by now you’re aware that nearly every design decision brings with it a tradeoff. That extra MOI boosts forgiveness and gets you higher launch, but it brings with it higher spin. What’s compelling here is that spin is not obscene. CAD projections place the CG right on the neutral axis, which – if proven to be the case with retail parts – would make the 0811 XF GEN2 among the 3 or 4 lowest CGNA drivers on the market. This, despite its otherworldly MOI.

In my initial testing, I found that it spins more, though it’s not excessive. As a high spin guy, I find it more than playable, which is saying something.

While it’s not universally accepted truth within the industry, some argue that higher MOI leads to a decrease in swing speed. The premise is that sometimes heavier weights, larger heads, and other factors can cause golfers to swing high MOI clubs slower. The counterargument is that all other factors being equal, if you can do high MOI without compromising aerodynamics, head speed shouldn’t suffer.

The Requisite Performance Comparisons

Nearly every new release brings with it a set of performance comparisons, and so here you go.

Versus the previous 0811 X product, PXG says its tests show 1-2 MPH higher ball speeds, a 300-400 RPM reduction in spin, 7-10 yards more distance, and 26% tighter dispersion.

The XF bests the previous model by 1 MPH, brings with it similar spin rates, 3-6 yards more distance, and 34% tighter dispersion. That last bit is the most telling illustration of the MOI story.

That’s intriguing, but wait, there’s more.

Filed under for whatever its worth, and full disclosure here; the next chart a manufacturer shows me that suggests its product doesn’t best its competitors’ will be the first; in PXG’s player testing…

The 0811 X GEN2 was 2 MPH faster than the closest competitor. It was the lowest spinning, and ranged from 5 to 16 yards longer than the 2018 offerings from the five leading brands (a group that generally includes Callaway, TaylorMade, PING, Titleist, and Cobra).

That’s a seriously bold claim.

Despite, or perhaps in addition to being an at the limit MOI offering, the same testing found the GEN2 XF to be 1 mph faster than the same competitive set.

Your fine print – the test was conducted using the same shaft with lengths normalized to 45” (PXG’s standard). Longer shafts (common to most OEM lineups these days) will give you more ball speed, but also tend to increase spin, and more importantly decrease impact consistency while widening dispersion patterns.

The bottom line is that PXG believes it has the best drivers on the market, and I believe its confidence in that is a good part of the reason why the company is seeking to remove price (on a relative basis anyway) as a reason to exclude PXG from the buying conversation.

Predicting the Future

All of this brings us back to our original question. Why is PXG lowering metalwood prices? While there are a number of factors, the most basic explanation can be summed up in a single word: accessibility. A lower price point makes the product more obtainable.

How obtainable?

Brad Schweigert laughed a when he said the goal was to be the number 1 driver in golf, before acknowledging that PXG doesn’t have the distribution model to be #1.

As far as market share goals are concerned, there’s no hard number. After mentioning that five brands control 90% of the market, I asked Schweighert how much of the remaining 10% he thought PXG could carve off. “We’re hoping not to fighter over that last 10%”, he said before Mike Nicolette interjected to add, “we’re hoping to steal some of that 90.”

Bob Parsons and his team believe that, through a lower price point, significant growth and greater market penetration are possible. PXG metalwoods still live in a premium price position, but just barely. The hope is that mainstream accessibility will bring PXG into the larger conversation, and if the products perform as advertised, get golfers talking about PXG as offering a leading class metalwoods product.

Parsons has a vision for his golf brand. It’s not small, and it’s entirely performance driven. For now, I believe he’ll be happy if golfers are excited about playing his new drivers.

“Success is we have the same usage and perception of our woods line and driver line as we have with our irons, Parsons told me. “That’s going to be a big accomplishment for us, and I believe it’s going to happen.”

The PXG 0811 X GEN2 Driver is available in lofts of 9°, 10.5°, and 12°. The 0811 XF GEN2 Driver is available in lofts of 9°, 10.5°, 12°, and 14° degrees.

PXG doesn’t do stock shafts in the traditional sense. Including exotics, the lineup is 25+ models deep and that’s not accounting for different weights. Notable offerings include the entire Project X EvenFlow series (including the new 1100 White), Fujikura Pro 2.0, and Tensei CK Blue and Orange series. CK Pro models are available for a $150 upcharge.

Retail price is $575. Availability begins 1/15/19.

For more information, visit PXG.com.

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      Craig P

      3 years ago

      I find it interesting that people have no problem paying $550 for a TM or Callaway driver that cost $85 to produce while calling PXG clubs overpriced. All clubs are overpriced. PXG’s markup is based on vanity and TM’s markup is for DJ and Tiger to advertise their stuff on the course. Isn’t all of this based on preference? Personally I think the SIM is a phenomenal driver as is the 0811 X. I also think both the Maverick and Speedzone suck. I’m sure many of you disagree and that’s the point.

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      Josh M

      4 years ago

      Took a few years off of playing serious golf but getting back in it. Still using a 10 year old TM driver and looking to upgrade. Due to Covid this thing is marked down to $275. I know its over a year old now but at $275 is this a no brainer?

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      Bill

      5 years ago

      Great info by Tony in the video. Enjoyed the engineering backround with minimum of marketing fluff.
      All the comments are from 7 months ago are mostly marketing comments from non users and previous generation users. While some are interesting, most don’t offer any real world results. I thought I’d update a real world experience that might be of value.
      I’ve gamed an TM M2 (2016) the last few years and while it’s long drives are great, I never felt comfortable with it’s standard shaft (Fujikura 60 gm) because its trajectory is too high for my swing and lacked any feel, so finding the right mix was elusive. Went to Club Champion to consider a shaft swap and came up with great info but inconclusive results.
      So I spent last weekend visiting a pro who is exceptional at interpreting Trackman info and knows my swing very well. I tested the same club heads for the most part (Titleist TS3, Ping 410, TM5, TM6 and Callaway Epic Flash).
      Narrowed it down to the TS3 and Ping but still wasn’t thrilled with the spin numbers. As an aside, I used to be a long driver but back issues changed my swing and cost me 10-12 mph, as well as age). So keeping it in the fairway has taken precedent over grabbing the longest hitting driver.
      My fitter excused himself for a minute and came back with a PXG XF and set it up for a draw bias and an Evenflow white shaft. I’d never considered the brand due to price but I gave it a shot and I was amazed at the dispersion. FAR better than anything else I tried. My carry was within a couple yards of everything else and the feel of the shaft head combo was muted and felt incredible at impact. I was quickly able to find a tempo with it and the results were repeatable.
      Another side note, I visited a chiropractor who has my back to a point I can practice regularly again and not surprisingly, has increased my club speed back to touching 100 mph and consistently around 98. Still down from 106 but at 61 years old, I’m a begrudging realist. I also am using a Sklz goldflex swingweight every day, which probably helps.
      Point is, the PXG gave me comparable distance but my fitter told me the set up would give me much lower spin numbers and he was spot on. My spray pattern was gone and I was within 14 yards of the center line consistently with a slight draw. I’ve searched for years for this kind of result. So even though it’s not inexpensive, it’s now comparable to the high end TM’s, Callaways, etc.. The no upcharge Evenflow White shaft made it a value in my mind. I used to be a sucker for the hottest Callaway and TM’s (as well as Tour Exotics, which offer a great value/performance mix). The PXG performance matched the hype.
      Bottom line, get to a pro fitter you feel is interested in getting you into the best club for you. It’s key to finding your right match.

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      Bill

      5 years ago

      Update on my earlier observations. This XF is the most accurate driver I’ve ever hit. I questioned the 10.5 when I was fitted but went with it because my swing speed was down. Since then I’ve worked hard at my conditioning .
      On a whim, I set my loft down a degree to lower my trajectory and had the best drives of the year.. Still the best dispersion of any driver I’ve ever hit but reclaimed my distance.. Anyone getting fit for a driver needs to put this club in the mix..

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      Kevin Clayton

      5 years ago

      Tony,

      Great article and really interested in 0811 X model, especially at reduced price point. Any update on when MGS will physically measure CG in this driver and report back if it is indeed about 4 mm below the neutral axis?

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      One Day At A Time

      5 years ago

      Never underestimate a man who tells an interviewer that he learned “pretty clean “ means pretty dirty.

      Or just take the first four words.

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      Gary

      5 years ago

      Great article Tony. The engineering stories behind both drivers are very compelling and it was nice to read about a company trying to make measurable differences through design (not just saying they are).

      I love the Cobra King LTD driver so the low CG 0811X has me very intrigued and I will most certainly now test a driver that wasn”t previously on my radar.

      I know you are probably still doing the tests but any initial thoughts on where you think the CG of the 0811X (weights back) will sit relative to the Cobra F9 speedback? I assume the 0811X will be lower and further back?

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      Joey

      5 years ago

      I for one, am excited at the possibility of testing this club. I currently game and M1 430 with the head at about 7°. Aldila Rogue I/O 125 MSI 70g Tour XS tipped 1″. I chose the M1 430 head after studying the CGNA charts you at MyGolfSpy have provided. Having a swing speed that averages about 122, I need something that will take as much spin off as possible. To date, i love my set-up. If the Gen 2 0811X can take of any more spin while providing greater MOI, you’ve got my attention.

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      wbn

      5 years ago

      Bought a used PXG last year. Noticed very little difference. Went back to my Callaway Rogue and Ping G400 Max. Sold the PXG for the same price I paid. I would have to see a notable difference before considering a PXG again. Nothing bad about PXG, just nothing noteworthy about it.

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      Joey

      5 years ago

      Did you even read the article?

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      Dave S

      5 years ago

      That’s an obvious “No.”

      Odie

      5 years ago

      Thanks Tony for the well written piece. Question about the “change in how the USGA tests CT for off center…”. Does this mean that drivers produced under the old testing procedure are “hotter” for off center strikes because the CT limits were not in place?

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      Alan

      5 years ago

      If you can afford it, buy them. Seriously there are better clubs on the market at lower prices, but there are always suckers out there who fall for the marketing bull.

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      Andrew

      5 years ago

      “He’s THAT guy!”

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      ThunderDuck

      5 years ago

      Just another over priced as usual club !!!

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      Alex

      5 years ago

      Almost didn’t even open the article due to
      PXGs prices. However, I’m glad I did. IF the price includes fitting fee and multiple no upcharge shaft options it’s about on par with other companies. And now that titlest driver is playing 1/2” longer, I would definitely be interested. I play a 44.5 inch driver and to get a proper swingweight after cutting off 1” I think is too drastic change in weight to the engineering of the club…

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      P.J.

      5 years ago

      I actually like the looks of the club, from the top down. I’ve never been a fan of the line of weights that’s synonymous with PXG clubs. The new pricing makes it more attractive to more people.
      There are a lot of people who are put-off by the ‘luxury’ tag associated with the PXG brand, but in my eye – it’s no different than owning a luxury car. A Dodge Viper is fast, so is a Maserati – while the speed limit is still 55-70mph on highways. Part of it is performance, part of it is image – your pocket books ultimately define which you’re most comfortable with… The recent change in price makes the Maserati more BMW-priced.

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      MGoBlue100

      5 years ago

      Great job as always, Tony. Plenty of commentary here ?, I’ll wait to see the MGS testing results.

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      Aivo

      5 years ago

      More bafflegab from the manufacturer? Last I looked PXG didn’t come close to making the top 5 in independent trials whether trusting Iron Byron or humans. And they lost all the head to head comparisons to Titleist TS, Ping 400 and TM 4 (and several more). now we are going to see anywhere from 7-10+ yds in distance and 25% and more improvement in dispersion. The only sure thing is that they have ramped up their marketing patter in keeping up to the competition ( with which they have not been competitive).

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      Nick Aquilino

      5 years ago

      I have been working with game improvement golf clubs for the better part of 40 years. We have come pretty much full circle with the possibilities of improving size, COR, MOI, CG location and aerodynamics for example while still conforming with the guidelines of conforming structure set by the USGA. A golfer like myself with a 90 mph swing speed is only going to hit a golf ball a certain distance given equal environmental conditions assuming the ball is struck squarely on the face. It has been my experience a well fitted golf shaft can make more of a difference in performance than a whole lot of tweeks to the club head.
      It follows most of what is presented as the next greatest makes little difference in performance to the average golfer and is marketing hype, at least until the next model is introduced usually in a few months.
      Show me something that will increase my swing speed 5-7 mph and I would pony up something north of $500 for a single golf club but so far this has never happened.

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      Ell

      5 years ago

      If these clubs are so good, how many of the greatest golfers on the PGA, LPGA, Champions, European and Asian tours have them in their bags? Any pro playing on the weekend can easily afford to buy a set of these, even after paying their caddy, deducting federal and state taxes, etc.

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      Ell

      5 years ago

      And if PXG existed back in the 1960’s, Lee Trevino would have taken all you PXG owners to the woodshed with a Pepsi bottle taped to a broom stick.

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      Vas

      5 years ago

      The price cut from an absurd number is a smart move. I hit Gen 1 PXG drivers, woods, hybrids, and irons last spring with their reps. I thought the irons were great, the woods were okay, and the driver and hybrids were trash (yes, properly fitted… yes, custom shafts… yes, Trackman). Only issue is that even if I do think the irons are equal to Srixons or Mizunos… I’m certainly not paying 300% for them. The other thing is that if these products were clearly better, they would appear in hundreds of tour bags across the world. For example… I tried the Tensei Pro Orange in my fitting (not good for me)… and it wasn’t because of advertisements! Until these are all over college and pro golf, PXG will be little more than vanity plates in most people’s eyes. Time will tell.

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      Berniez40

      5 years ago

      GREAT ARTICLE. Though I don’t see myself buying these clubs yet, I am do for a complete bag overhaul in 3 years when I retire. I have always been fascinated by the PXG story. I am glad they didn’t make the classic post WWII Packard mistake, and try to bring a luxury item into “everyman territory.” Can you imagine the absolute nightmare of PXG merging with Studebaker? LOL. If these clubs live up to the hype, I would gladly pay a little more to give myself a retirement gift.

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      Mehdi

      5 years ago

      Hi there,

      Does anyone know of the shaft connector is the same than on 0811 driver gen1? I got fit for it and would like to keep the shaft.

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      Cameron

      5 years ago

      It does fit – PXG is using the same connector.

      Reply

      DL

      5 years ago

      Tony, you forgot something! The only thing I want to know is if they are putting their money where their mouth is and sending these along for your independent testing. If the product can do everything they said above and are confident, why skip out?

      Reply

      MyGolfSpy

      5 years ago

      Yes, PXG will be included in 2019 MyGolfSpy #MostWanted testing.

      Reply

      Bwpage3

      5 years ago

      People that cannot afford things always turn out to be the biggest complainers. I like the looks of the driver. After a custom fit, if it worked I would have no problem paying $575. The quality is definitely there.

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      Love4Golf

      5 years ago

      It makes me laugh reading a bunch of grownups whining like little babies. Sorry your life sucks and you can’t afford the clubs, but if you are going to complain about the product, do it based on the merits and not your bitterness.

      I got fitted and own a full bag of PXG’s and I love them. It definitely improved my game and if you can’t accept that, tough!

      Grow up people!

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      TexasSnowman

      5 years ago

      Not wealthy, but like most serious golfers I know, I have disposable income for ‘entertainment’ of golf. I hate Parsons Over-the-top advertising (in reality not much more obnoxious that Hype from other large Oems) but If I believe PXG can help improve my scores, I’d buy it… $399, $599, $899….It’s all about performance. These Drivers sound interesting to me; Can’t wait for the 2019 MSG Driver tests.

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      Dan

      5 years ago

      In the paragraph talking about weights in the driver, what is PXSG?

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      sinewave

      5 years ago

      To each his own. I switched from a full TItleist bag: Driver/3 wood/hybrids/ AP2 irons/Vokey´s/Scotty Newport 2 to TaylorMade M1 Driver/3 wood/5 wood/PXG hybrids/PXG Gen 2 0311T irons/Cleveland RTX-3 wedges/PXG 60 deg Sugar Daddy and EVNROLL ER1 putter.
      I’m now a 2 and this combo of clubs works for me. I also switched from ProV1 to the Snell MTB Red.
      Find what works best for you within the confines of your own swing. Your swing mechanics are the key not the brand you settle on.
      ¨The constant and undying hope for improvement makes golf so exquisitely worth the playing.¨

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      NickDanger

      5 years ago

      So Tony, is the PXG R@D that much better than Ping, Titleist, TM and Callaway?? Isn’t that what this really comes down to?

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      Tony Covey

      5 years ago

      Not a case of better or worse, though I think we will see cases of questionable engineering this year.

      It’s really about design philosophy and the extent to which it’s successfully achieved. PXG is a bit of a PING/Cobra blend, which makes sense given its engineering team. It separates its lines into low CG and Back CG (high MOI) based on the projections, they’ve achieved every reasonable goal.

      Callaway is putting everything into a face story this year. That one is interesting, but very different from the PXG story.

      Taylormade is also telling a face story. That one is clever, but the real world impact absent other tech is probably just a good story.

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      Paul

      5 years ago

      Is the face on the XF Closed?

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      Kenny B

      5 years ago

      The price is reasonable; I’d consider PXG, but with so many configurations the club has to be fitted by a PXG fitter. How much is that?

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      Funkaholic

      5 years ago

      Most places $100-$150, some will credit part of the fitting back to the sale if you buy the club from them.

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      Cameron

      5 years ago

      A fitting from a PXG fitter is free with the purchase of the club.

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      Michael Wray

      5 years ago

      I read all these comments about price yet these same people haven’t played a PXG product. Please justify your comments by playing the product. I just purchased a set of PXG wedges and compared them against my Callaway Rogue wedges and I found the PXG wedges to be more forgiving and I hit them straighter. Being custom made does make a difference. I can’t wait to purchase the new PXG 2018 driver.

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      ~j~

      5 years ago

      My 2 Vokey wedges last me 1-1.5 yrs TOPS before the grooves are shot and are in need of replacing. I’m already sensitive enough at the increasing cost of replacing Vokeys that often, what are the SM-7s now, $169 a club?? Are they worth it relative to other brand’s models? I’m thinking not. I know Wilson makes a damn fine wedge also for less. Hell, Bazooka’s are no joke either.

      And no offense, but if Callaway wedges weren’t straight/etc for you, you 100% could have found another brand for 1/4 of the cost of PxGs. Callaway wedges have never agreed with me either.

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      Emery

      5 years ago

      Why do I associate PXG with MLC…mid-life crisis. I am sure these clubs play as good as some others but are they more expensive JUST to be more expensive and to be a bragging item for some? These aren’t much more than the Wilson Cortex which is uncomfortably priced….did they get suckered by PXG? Comfort level for me is Driver @below $400, woods @below $300 and iron sets @below $1000 ALL with great shafts and GP grips. I went direct to consumer on all my irons last time.

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      Bens197

      5 years ago

      At the end of the day they’re still a business and they need to make money. There’s plenty of room in the market for PXG and this will definitely open a few more closed minds.

      I’m intrigued and will definitely give it a shot. Why not?

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      Derick

      5 years ago

      To all the people bashing on PXG, have you actually went and had “real, proper” Fitting??
      The tech that PXG uses is far superior to any other out there!!!
      I bought a full set and then took each wedge, iron, fairway wood, and driver apart one by one to see what they got under the hood!!!
      Took a set of Taylormade clubs and did same thing!!
      Big difference in what goes into these clubs…
      Just because you won’t buy them or can’t afford them, doesn’t mean they are crap clubs!!!
      PXG is and will be a force in the golf industry for long time coming!!!
      Have good day gents!!!

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      joro

      5 years ago

      What a waste, as the one fella said, he just dropped 8 grand for a set of ?????. I know one person who bought from Parsons Xtreme Golf for a ridiculous number, did not like them and went to Club Champions for a fitting and ended up with a set that blew away Parsons, and they weren’t PXGs. A proper fitting and proper clubs are expensive these days, but if you can afford it get fitted, and Club Champions is the best. And they will find out what is best for you regardless of the brand.

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      Rob C

      5 years ago

      One thing Bob Parsons has excelled at is getting peoples attention, for better or worst.

      This move with new driver pricing, has my attention…for the better!

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      HDTVMAN

      5 years ago

      Every manufacturer should shorten their standard driver shaft length to 45″…more control, tighter dispersion, more center strikes. 45.5″ to 45.75″ is too long for the average amateur.

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      ~j~

      5 years ago

      So choke down? No offense to you, I find the shortening of shafts to 43.5, etc a tad bit of a nuisance. Choking down an inch can do the same thing, WITHOUT giving up an inch of club. SW is not affected so much that it’ll change much at 1″. Hell, make it a 46″ shaft and enjoy the lower SW / faster SS when you choke down 2-3 inches.

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      Joe Golfer

      5 years ago

      Rather than choking down, I’d just remove the grip, cut off some from the butt of the shaft, then re-grip. Or order the club at a specific length, which many companies now offer if you ask. Choking down will give you a thin grip feel, especially if you choke down several inches, as mentioned at the very end of that post, though that may have been sarcasm by “J” the person who posted.

      Funkaholic

      5 years ago

      That is not how it works at all.

      Juan Ramon Ayala

      5 years ago

      I always hated PXG, not because of their price, but because of their ridiculous price. Their gimmick has been that there was no limit on the cost of materials, hence the higher prices BUT asking $900 for a driver is ridiculous. Your paying a premium price to join an elitist group. Hey look at me, I can’t break 100 but I just spent $8,000 for a complete set of golf clubs. Yes, we get it. You have a small penis or going through a mid life crisis but please spare another fluff piece on PXG. Yes, I understand MyGolfSpy loves these clubs but the rest of us actually have to spend money to swing these clubs

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      Steve

      5 years ago

      Juan- I am 53 and a 3 handicap ,played in high school and college , I just got fit for The New PXG driver to go along with my whole set – averaged 287 into the wind just over 2000 spin – as far as elitism- I bought the set last cause they are a good club- the difference is the fitter and service – it’s not so I can be a jerk or belittling- I have had good results with the productand all the companies make great clubs , so get fit and enjoy a great game – I bought them because the work best for me and the fitting process was the best – also Bob Parsons has his GEN1 at $125 per club for first responders – not very elitist – and most important reason was after a few 30 year career of work- never been given crap and worked my whole life up through the ranks in a blue collar business- felt it was a worthy reward – so I don’t judge people – and It’s a great game – hope you enjoy it and play well with whatever you play !

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      Funkaholic

      5 years ago

      This is exactly the right attitude, those that hate on you for having nice things are bitter and jealous. I like to tinker and build my own clubs so PXG is of little value to me but, if they work for you, by all means, go for it. I probably spend more than most on clubs in the long run anyway. If I found some PXG’S used in good shape to tinker with I would buy them in a heartbeat.

      Rob

      5 years ago

      Sounds like someone has a case of “Driver Evny” :)

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      Tony Covey

      5 years ago

      Not sure if you missed it, but new price is $575. Taylormade M5 will be $550, Callaway just a little less. Will you be expressing the same rage over those two or is the cutoff $551?

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      ~j~

      5 years ago

      I think PXG has done enough to offend the everyday golfer with their absurd pricing and products that a lower price point is now irrelevant in people’s opinions of the clubs.

      IMO they look no better than 2nd hand knockoffs, offered at prices above leading market models. But even if they halved their new model prices, I wouldn’t be interested.

      And a thought between the difference prices between PXG and new TM/Callaways, the latter two have climbed into higher price points over the years whereas PXG cannonballed into luxary prices with zero merit to begin with.

      Jon

      5 years ago

      Actually, I disagree with your assertion…
      MyGolfSpy are *allowed* to love these clubs as they are “data driven”…
      What MGS should be doing is telling us all, in very plain terms, what is and what isn’t good… It doesn’t matter what it looks like, who makes it or what it costs, just whether or not it is actually good.
      What is then up to us is to decide what represents value to us…

      It is the job of MGS to tell us what the order of performance is like for each product.
      It is then up to us to decide what we can afford and how much it is worth spending to get what we want from that list.

      If PXG made the best driver on the market and Tommy Armour the second by only a small margin then without a doubt, for most people, the second on the list is perfect. For people where money is no object then it’s still PXG.

      It’s not up to MGS to decide what they think is and isn’t affordable (though they can comment on relative value), just what does and doesn’t work and then allow us to make up our mind on the rest.

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      ~j~

      5 years ago

      Soo.. which assertion are you disagreeing with? MGS did/does a fine job on reviews and all else. Personal value is derived from what the club or manufacturer means to YOU.

      HOWEVER until I see PXG show up on the top, or at least worthy of a listing, in your (or any comparable ) 2019 reviews, I could care less of their marketing or brand. Unless they truly have something special or unique, the pricing they’ve had is merely a money-grab ploy. A gimmick. A con. May as well pair them with sevendreamer shafts as well. Throw $2k down on a driver that can’t outperform an off-the-shelf tour Exotics driver (under-appreciated brand IMO).

      Paul

      5 years ago

      Twice last year in fittings, the fitters told me PXG still hadn’t made any money, and was in danger of going bankrupt in a business sense. If those stories were true, the price tag for these drivers is more of a necessity than Parsons leads-on. He wasn’t getting enough of the high-end market niche in the first place. We’ll see what happens, but the drivers do sound intriguing, and worth a try!

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      Tony Covey

      5 years ago

      I love stuff like this for the absurdity of it. First, PXG is private held. Very few know the actual financial realities, but I can assure you, a couple od fitters aren’t in that group. Next, I would say you need to consider the totality of the PXG business model. Have you looked at the cost of PXG Experience packages. Typically they do 2-3 of those per week.

      Those guys often buy multiple sets, some end up joining Scottsdale National. Even as a loss leader the company would have value within the larger Parsons enterprise.

      Still, it’s worth nothing that we’ve been told by someone in a position to know that the company has operated in the green for sometime now.

      Finally, as to what is quantifiable, datatec marketshare reports have PXG 7 or 8 as far as dollar share is concerned. That’s significantly higher than Wilson, Srixon, Tour Edge, etc.

      Metalwood sales haven’t been as strong – as we discussed in the video. Lower prices will probably help, but none of that changes the engineering story behind these drivers.

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      Chris

      5 years ago

      Seems very reasonable since the fitting cost and the premium stock shaft options are included. I think this is a game changer for a lot of people based on a proper fitting.

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      Dave

      5 years ago

      Will be interesting to see how the testing goes.

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      Johnny Cowboy

      5 years ago

      Begs the question, if PXG made golf balls that cost $100 a dozen would people actually buy them? My guess is yes, they would.

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      Bob

      5 years ago

      At this price point I am willing to demo their driver. Parson is correct his clientele have more dollars than sense.

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      ~j~

      5 years ago

      Or you could save $545 and buy the streamlined version nicknamed PowerBilt, sold EXCLUSIVELY at Walmart and Big 5’s near you.

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      Bob

      5 years ago

      I don’t have a private jet. +2mph !!! Wow… big time pass.

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      Ryan

      5 years ago

      Great move by PXG in dropping the price to $575. I would now consider this club, but at $800 or $900, it was hard to justify. Good looking club, too.

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      Buss

      5 years ago

      Is it me or is MGS forgetting about their “unbiased” testing and reporting? I’ve followed MGS since day one and it seems like they are starting to develop a loyalty to people and certain brands. Its reflecting in the writing. When it comes to unbiased reporting and testing, the golf world is much like politics. Once an individual has been doing the same job for so long they develop relationships with companies and people. Human nature tells us that it’s only a matter of time before those connections and relationships are used for personal gain and not what the individual was originally put in the position to do. George Washington even said that all political positions should have an end date because over time you stop thinking of what’s best for for the people and start thinking of what’s best for yourself. I feel the same goes for the golf industry. MGS has been doing this a while now and if you read some of their original articles you can sense the edge, the attitude, and the blatant feeling of showing no favoritism. Fast forward to now and you can clearly see the relationships they have developed and who knows what type of treatment and gifts they are receiving from these golf companies. Those type of things, wether you realize it or not, affect how people feel and slowly can win somebody over that never really liked them before. Would be nice to see some fresh writers with no inside connections to the golf industry. Then maybe if will feel like MGS again.

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      Tony Covey

      5 years ago

      It’s you.

      We tell brand stories and we tell product stories. It’s certainly true that we can tell better and more detailed stories when we spend time with the engineering team at a given brand. PXG always provides access to the engineers (and to Bob), so we tend to have complete PXG stories. You’ll note we’re not shy about pointing out where products haven’t performed.

      The same is true for PING, Cobra, and more recently Mizuno and Titleist. We’re talking about companies who believe it’s important – in fact, they see it as a priority – to give us 1 on 1 time with the engineering team. This is all inside baseball kind of stuff, but it might be helpful for readers to understand the differences in how manufacturers approach their products and product releases.

      I’d tell you that there’s a clear breakdown between engineering companies and marketing companies. That’s not to say that the engineering brands don’t market and the marketing brands don’t have engineering, but given our data-driven approach, it shouldn’t surprise you to learn that we’re much more comfortable telling engineering driven stories with actual numbers backing them up.

      Callaway provides access, but it’s sometimes like pulling teeth, and there are certain things they don’t like to talk about (CG and MOI specifics, for example). TaylorMade doesn’t talk to us at all these days, but even when they did, we didn’t spend too much time with the guys actually designing the drivers.

      Finally, over the years, we’ve gotten much better at sniffing out bullshit stories, so if you want to call it favoritism, find, but for us, it’s about telling you guys what’s real, what might be real, and what’s definitely not.

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      Charles Keithline

      5 years ago

      Very through discussion

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      Russ

      5 years ago

      Still overpriced, still ugly.

      Hard pass.

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      Paul Vicary

      5 years ago

      Great coverage Tony. Well written and begs the question, what portion of that 90% will PXG grab. My guess is more that the big three will want to see.

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      Paul Vicary

      5 years ago

      Great coverage Tony. Well written and begs the question, what portion of that 90% will PXG grab. My guess is more than the big three will want to see.

      Reply

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