2017 Cobra ONE Length Test: A Closer Look at Gapping
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2017 Cobra ONE Length Test: A Closer Look at Gapping

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2017 Cobra ONE Length Test: A Closer Look at Gapping

There’s More (because some of you asked for it)

Welcome to the unplanned Part 2 of our detailed look at Cobra’s F7 ONE and Forged ONE Irons.

After reading yesterday’s post, several of you expressed a wish… maybe a desire… to have a better look at the gapping data from the test. As it turns out, that was something I wanted to do anyway, so I thank you for providing the justification to spend a little more time in Excel (hooray) to pull that together.

But before we get to round 2 of our charts, there are a couple of points we should discuss.

Consistency vs. Ideal Gapping

First, you should understand that with its ONE Length products, Cobra isn’t nearly as concerned with gapping as it is about consistency. They’ve studied real-world yardage gaps (provided by Arccos) and found big overlaps with variable length clubs. Basically, inconsistent ballstriking already leads to inconsistent gaps. So while its competitors might point to robot-replicated gapping issues as a shortcoming of ONE Length, the real-world data from the Arccos universe suggests the average golfer’s gaps are basically a mess anyway. Cobra’s single length philosophy centers around helping the golfer hit better shots more often.

And that brings me to consistency. We talked about this yesterday, but I thought it was important to included our carry yardages/consistency charts again today, and here’s why.

One of the things we talk about quite a bit internally is that averages don’t tell the whole story. Consider 2 separate (3) shot samples from a theoretical 7-iron:

  • The first produces carry yardages of 145, 155 and 165 yards.
  • The second produces carry yardages of 149, 150, and 151 yards.

The average of the first set is 5 yards longer, but wouldn’t you prefer the consistency of the second? Do it again with a 5-iron, and a 9-iron, etc. Tweak the numbers on the second set so that our gaps aren’t perfect, but the consistency of the individual irons remains intact. Now which set of clubs would you rather have in your bag?

I’ll willingly concede that this is a well-polished example, and that few of us would be that consistent, even with single length irons. The larger point I’m trying to illustrate is that consistency matters more than most of us give it credit for. To a reasonable degree, gapping can be addressed with a Mitchell machine, consistency depends on your relationship with your clubs.

I should also note that Cobra believes that as on-course familiarity with ONE Length improves, those error bars in the charts below will shrink, and scores will come down. That part remains to be seen, but I’m anxious to find out. Spring can’t get here soon enough.

Cobra ONE Test-2

About the Charts

Before we dig in, just a couple of quick notes on the charts. The dark gray columns contain the yardage deltas between the 5 and 7 irons and the 7 and 9 irons. The closer those two numbers in each row are to one another, the better the gapping. In a perfect world, these values should be somewhere between 20 and 30 yards (10-15 yards between clubs). As you’ll see, we didn’t see much of that with either set.

As mentioned above, I’ve included our carry charts, which included standard error bars. Interpretation is simple. The shorter the bar, the more consistent the carry yardage. More consistent is good.

So as you look at the charts, I’d ask that you consider both gapping and consistency.

Finally, if there’s anything I haven’t covered, anything I left out, or any questions I haven’t answered, holler at me. I’ll do my best to get you the info (whatever it happens to be).

Tester 1: High Swing Speed – USGA Index: 4.6

t1-gaps

Observations:

  • Tester 1 has consistent (and nearly ideal) gaps with his gamers.
  • ONE Length gaps are inconsistent due to decreased distance in both the 5 and 9 irons.
  • While the differences in consistency between his gamers and Forged ONE appear small, the narrow margins do favor the gamers.

Tester 2: High Swing Speed – USGA Index: 18.5

t2-gaps

Observations:

  • Tester 2 has reasonably consistent, though large, gaps with his gamers.
  • Data suggests that by keeping his 5-hybrid instead of the F7 ONE 5-Iron, the gaps would be consistent.
  • As you would expect from a higher handicap player, consistency is poor with both sets.

Tester 3: Mid Swing Speed – USGA Index: 2.5

Observations:

  • Tester 3 has more consistent but slighlty large gaps with his gamers.
  • ONE Length gaps are less consistent due to the shorter 5 iron.
  • A hybrid could potentially level the gaps.
  • 5 and 7 iron consistency favor the ONE Length, while this tester was more consistent with his 9-iron.

Tester 4: High Swing Speed – USGA Index: 10.7

t4-gaps

Observations:

  • Tester 4’s gamer gaps are more consistent due to a significant increase in 7-iron distance with the F7 One.
  • While gamer gaps are more consistent, they are far from ideal (too narrow).
  • Replacing the 5-iron with a hybrid would likely lead to significantly better gapping with F7 One.

Tester 5: High Swing Speed – USGA Index: +.4

 t5-gaps-2

Observations:

  • Tester 4’s gapping with the Forged One is consistent, though perhaps a bit narrow.
  • Poor gapping with the gamer set is attributable to abnormally short distance with the 7-iron.
  • 5-iron consistency is better with the tester’s clubs, however, middle and short irons favor Forged ONE.

Tester 6: Mid Swing Speed – USGA Index: 8.6

t6-gaps

Observations:

  • Tester 6 showed better gapping with his gamers, however, with both sets the gaps are narrower than is ideal.
  • Uneven gaps from the F7 ONE are attributable primarily to distance gains with the 7-iron.
  • The F7 ONE produced more consistent carry distances across all 3 irons tested.

Tester 7: Low Swing Speed – USGA Index: 17.5

t7-gaps

Observations:

  • Tester 7’s gaps are more consistent with the F7 ONE, however, by no means is gapping close to ideal with either set.
  • The gapping issues shown in the charts are far from uncommon with senior and other slower swing speed golfers.
  • Replacing the 5-iron with a hybrid would significantly improve gaps.
  • Carry distances are more consistent with the F7 ONE.

Tester 8: Mid Swing Speed – USGA Index: 10.5

Observations:

  • Tester 8’s gaps between the 7 and 9-iron are solid for both sets, but the data suggests this tester would benefit from replacing the 5-iron with a hybrid.
  • Gapping is similar for both sets.
  • 5 and 9-iron consistency favors the Forged ONE, while 7-iron consistency favors the gamers.

Tester 9: High Swing Speed – USGA Index: 12

Observations:

  • Tester 9’s gaps are more consistent, though a bit narrow, with the gamer set.
  • The difference is attributable to a modest distance loss with the 5-iron coupled with a modest distance gain with the 7-iron.
  • The Forged ONE produced more consistent carry distances.

The Big Picture

Our interpretation of the data is that the variable length irons (the gamers) produced moderately better gapping for most testers, however; in very few instances did either set produce what we would classify as ideal gapping. Keep in mind that manufacturers often design clubs (and that includes loft specifications) to the middle – and that means they can’t possibly account for all of our swing speeds or the unique ways each of us delivers the club to the ball.

It’s also next to impossible to account for the inconsistency of impact you get from average golfers. We suspect that in an overwhelming majority of cases, the only way to ensure proper gaps (or at least as close to proper as most of us can get), is to work with a qualified fitter who can adjust each iron loft independently as needed to dial in the requisite average distance.

More to Come… maybe

As I mentioned in yesterday’s post, we may publish additional single length case studies in the future. We’re also planning on taking a closer look at Cobra’s ONE Length wedges.

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      Chuck

      7 years ago

      I had just recently purchased these “Cobra One Length” clubs. For me, I have a back injury and nerve damage in my neck, so after going to the local golf store and testing them out, well I got them. After two rounds, I can honestly see a difference. I will repost after a few months, but I see a more enjoyable game and lower scores in my future. Thanks Cobra..

      Reply

      Mark

      6 years ago

      And the repost results?

      Reply

      Ken Bloch

      7 years ago

      After a shoulder injury, I got fitted for Sterling irons – 6-SW. My iron play has improved dramatically. I am now more consistent and the game is fun again. I was a 9 handicap before my injury and went up to a 16 with my prior irons. My scores are now improving and my handicap is now down to a 14 and will hopefully continue to fall.

      Reply

      Dustin

      7 years ago

      I played 4 rounds with the forged. Hit the ball more solid for sure but gapping was an issue. Not with the 4 iron but with the 9,Pw,Gw going way too long. The Edel’s have my attention now as I believe there is more technology behind those to even out the gaps.

      Reply

      Jackie Santopietro

      7 years ago

      I like the concept and will eventually try a set down the road I am sure. Theimportant part is to have your club fitter take the time to fit your clubs properly. If they do that I imagine you will be happy with either set. After all, it doesn’t matter so much if you can’t hit the sweet spot.

      Reply

      Gavin Robinson

      7 years ago

      I am a PGA Teaching Pro and I fundamentally disagree with the physics behind 1 length set theory. Bryson has stated that he feels more comfortable not having to change his posture for different clubs. Me too. I don’t change my posture for different clubs. It is incorrect to think that you need to crouch more for your wedges and stand taller for your Driver. Use the same spine angle for both and you will become a more consistent player, guaranteed. This is a gimmick based on incorrect information from one tour player.

      Reply

      Eugene marchetti

      7 years ago

      Although I agree with your comments, I think you are forgetting one important factor, the mind. If a player convinces himself that a shorter five iron feels more comfortable, he will likely produce a better swing resulting in a better shot. No matter what the launch monitor says or what Mixuno’s shaft optimizer spits out, if the club doesn’t feel or look right, it in the long run won’t deliver optimum results. I feel very comfortable with one length irons and consequently hit them extremely well. The MIND is the most important club in your bag and if it says one length irons work, they likely will.

      Reply

      Frank Stranick

      7 years ago

      I have been a Clubfitter, FS Golf, for the past 24 years. I fit and carry both “Standard Length” clubs and “Wishon Sterling Single Length” clubs. Here-to-fore, the only way to maintain a common spine angle with standard length clubs is to bend at the knees. To maintain a common spine angle, I use an approach known as “True LengthTechnology” TLT was developed by Dan Connelly from Toronto. The only other way is with Single Length clubs. TLT accomplishes this angular consistency by altering the length intervals between clubs. Off the rack clubs are cut at 1/2″ intervals. TLT length are different for each club and my customers find it very helpful to have one body setup position. If you have time contact Dan and get the math and science behind this method.

      Reply

      John Dranschak

      7 years ago

      Gavin,

      If you have a set of standard OEM clubs, it is physically impossible to have the same setup which each club. You probably don’t even know that you are adjusting your setup to maintain the constant spine angle you say you have.

      If you want to have the same posture with each iron then you have to build them with 1* lie increments and 0.4″ length increments. That is the only way the vertical hand to ground measurement will be the same for each club, meaning that if you keep your spine angle the same for each club you are making some other adjustment to get that same spine angle. As Frank Stranick said True Length technology, developed over 10 years ago discusses this in detail. Contact Dan Connelly and he can explain the whole process. He is well schooled in geometry and physics and can explain better why this is so. I see single length clubs as an evolution of True Length technology in that all the clubs are the same length so it adds to consistency.

      I don’t know where you are located but get to know some clubfitters in your area that are member of the AGCP or ICG. As clubfitters we look at how to make things more consistent for golfers in terms of length, loft, lie relationships and look at MOI of a club rather than swingweight to minimize differences in the amount of force needed to swing the club around its axis (Butt). I would also suggest that you Google Dave Tutelman. He has a website with a vast array of information on the golf club physics.

      John

      Reply

      Gavin

      7 years ago

      Great to get this discussion going! I can categorically confirm that IT IS POSSIBLE to have the same posture for every club in the bag. Please understand the difference between the human aspect and the equipment. As a human, I take the same posture every time. I have the same spine angle, the same knee flex, my arms hang from the shoulders, my weight slightly favours my heels and glutes to act as a counterweight to my head, therefore my hands are always in the same position, same distance to floor measurement every time. Then you can put whatever club it is in my hands. My posture does not change, therefore my swing does not change plane for differing clubs either. The only thing that changes is the distance between me and the ball, but that is solely determined by the length of the club.

      Golf becomes so much easier this way. Try it!

      Chris

      7 years ago

      With variable length irons it is physically impossible to have the same spine angle with clubs that are different lengths .

      Reply

      Tester

      7 years ago

      I will be trying a set of the one length forged this season and if they have an “improved” version next year I’ll probably upgrade. I believe in the concept although I may stick with standard length wedges for easier consistency around the greens.

      Reply

      Stevie Gee

      7 years ago

      I love the theory but I am holding off for Cobra One 2.0.

      They don’t have it right just yet (yardages & height) but they will figure it out for 2018. I’ll wait.

      Reply

      Paul Smith

      7 years ago

      Great start on the One Length issue. On the related gaping issue I think you need to be looking at total distance not just carry before you can have a reliable determination. For me the longer the iron, the longer the roll out so I would think the gaps will increase in actual play and that would be the number and consistency factor that would be important for many of us.

      Reply

      Leo

      7 years ago

      Edel has addressed some of these issues by using shafts that launch higher in the lon irons and lower in the short irons

      Reply

      Jon

      7 years ago

      You’re right. I had the fortune to try the prototype Edel one length irons last year and they are in a different league to the Cobras. With Edel, I was pushing a 2 iron (7 iron length) out to about 230 yards. With normal irons, my set starts at 6 iron for all the usual reasons. The clever thing that Edel does is not just to vary head weights but to use shaft technology to get the right ball flight. The man is a genius.

      Reply

      Dennis Duncan

      7 years ago

      There are better built one length irons for sale. better gapping and feel.

      Reply

      HNwK

      7 years ago

      In another words, One Length is completely worthless, because none of these people can actually hit a 4 or 5 iron type of club consistently enough to need such a thing as One Length, the concept of which design was wholly banked on the fact to make it easier for these kinds of people to be able to hit long irons, BECAUSE they are the same length as the 7 iron – but the cannot. So, we don’t need One Length clubs at all.
      From my own observations at golf shops and at Demo Days so far, I am also seeing similar results – but more often than not, what I saw, was that more often than not, these hitters could not hit the 4 iron/5 iron high enough with One Length, nor with enough spin, and, they were also pushing more shots than hitting them on target as they would with the shorter clubs. Sure, some of them were getting distances they might want with the 4 or 5 iron from the One Length – but the ball was flying so low and with no spin, the clubs would only be good from the tee, and not as approach shots to the green to hold them.
      As this article’s tests also point out time and again, that even the consistent strikers narrow their gaps too much with the One Length, more often than not losing distance in the long irons, which shows that the concept fails miserably.
      Except to see these clubs get sold on the used market very quickly.

      Reply

      McaseyM

      7 years ago

      I really like this concept, thanks for all of the work Tony and MGS. As Bob said, this will be a work in progress as they try to perfect the design and makeup of the single length sets and the different shafts all cut to the same length is a large variable as they have different flexes and bend points.
      Also, this is the players’ first real trial of the single length, of course the dispersion and consistency are going to be different. Especially with this, as someone said, it might take going club by club with a fitter to find which loft and lie work to get your gapping correct.
      The fact that they report selling 3x their expected numbers, there is a good sized market out there for this, especially from the OEMs who have the capital and name recognition to try this process. I’ve seen several posters in the forums note that the Sterling single length irons have been designed to easily allow the addition of a few grams of weight to make sure the swing weights are identical and the loft/lie adjustments can be easily bent to dial in the necessary specs. with the F7 that aren’t forged, adjustments may be hard to do if the metal is not as bendable.

      Reply

      Guillaume Charpentier

      7 years ago

      The other factor that I’m interested too is how easy are they to hit, especially the longer iron, so also the dispersion. I personally struggle with my long irons 4 & 5, I play of 25, this why I’m interested in those. Thanks

      Reply

      Augustine Fan

      7 years ago

      here are my own test results with the Cobra One F7 Forged. 4i fly too short and PW fly too long. effectively I would only use 4, 6-8, & PW that produces distances equivalent to 5-9 irons from a traditional set. I’ll admit though it’s a lot more consistent than variable length.

      Reply

      Bob

      7 years ago

      You guys are forgetting one important factor in all of this. I’m not sure they’ve perfected how to even build these one length sets.

      If you look at the sets they ARE NOT using all 6 iron shafts which is exactly what they should be using if making one length equivalent to a 6 iron.

      Instead they use the same shafts that they would use on a variable length set. As a result the sets have shafts that range from extra stiff to senior (bigger discrepancy in graphite). I was able to frequency a custom built set and the quality of the build was horrible. The long irons were much stiffer than the short.

      I’m open to the idea of one length but if you are going to try to change years of what works, at least build it right!

      Reply

      Dave S

      7 years ago

      Please elaborate. I don’t understand what you’re saying. Do you mean, for example, that the PW shaft is a different stiffness than the 6i shaft? That doesn’t make any sense. And btw, they’re using the 7i length for all of the clubs, not 6i.

      Reply

      Bob

      7 years ago

      If you are using 7i length than you should use all 7i shafts. They do not.

      Instead they cut the PW long – which makes the shaft play softer and the 5i short which makes it play stiffer. I guarantee you Bryson is playing all 7 iron shafts.

      When you do this, and I saw it first hand, you are changing the properties of the shafts. In a frequency test, a custom built set from Cobra had shafts that tested anywhere from extra stiff in the long irons to senior flex in the short.

      The concept is fair but the execution is terrible from what I’ve seen.

      Christopher

      7 years ago

      It wouldn’t make any sense, but it should be easy enough to check. I can’t find any decent pictures, but from the ones I’ve seen it’s slightly odd that the shaft bands don’t line-up with each club, wouldn’t the steps on the shaft be very similar throughout the set if they were all the same flex?

      Adam Viertel

      7 years ago

      Right, so stop buying equipment and keep buying lessons. Got it.

      Reply

      Andreas

      7 years ago

      If gaps become too tight, maybe you can change some lofts and skip one or more clubs?

      Reply

      Andreas

      7 years ago

      Might be a good idea to skip one of the longer clubs and have one sw with long shaft for approach shots and a short one for chip shots.

      Reply

      Skippy

      7 years ago

      But why skip? The whole idea of this concept is to make it easier for you to hit the 4 iron and long irons, without having to change your posture

      Adam

      7 years ago

      It seems like single-length irons could provide more consistent iron play (better dispersion), and more consistent (yet smaller) gapping. The issue is then the need to possibly take a club out of the bag to add another hybrid or wedge, since your PW will be going longer than usual and your longest iron will be going shorter than usual. I would personally use a normal PW, rather than the single length, since the single length PW doesn’t give you an advantage, and using a normal PW would help with wedge gapping.

      Reply

      Big jim

      7 years ago

      Playing a split set of blades and SGI in 1/4 inch increments this season. It gives best of both worlds and gets closer to moi matching the set. Try it out.

      Reply

      Jose I. Maruri

      7 years ago

      Where is your split?

      Reply

      Jose I. Maruri

      7 years ago

      I’ve maintained that there’s no reason why you couldn’t play a single length 5,6,7 iron and variable length 8,9,W,G,SW,LW. This would, theoretically give you long irons that are easier to hit solidly, without having to deal with longer short irons. Unfortunately, the shorter length of the long irons makes it difficult/impossible for 95% of golfers to hit with enough heighth and enough distance to make it work. Maybe the answer is for us to cut an inch off of every shaft of our variable length gamers (understanding that you would have to adjust the weight and maybe lie angle) and leave the largest gap at the longer end of the set (between 4i and 3W).

      Reply

      Jon

      7 years ago

      This is where I am too. It makes absolute sense to replace hard to hit irons with single length but to keep short irons variable to improve gapping. Don’t understand why Cobra doesn’t offer this flexibility.

      Reply

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