Cleveland Golf Returns: Resurrection or Hail Mary?
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Cleveland Golf Returns: Resurrection or Hail Mary?

Cleveland Golf Returns: Resurrection or Hail Mary?

Do you realize it’s only been two years since Cleveland Golf morphed into a short game/putting specialty brand and away from the full-line company it had been for over 35 years?

Sure seems a lot longer, doesn’t it?

Truth be told, despite iconic clubs like the Launcher and HiBore drivers and 588 wedges, Cleveland as a full-line brand had been sliding into irrelevance since the late 2000’s. Sumitomo Rubber Industries and its subsidiary, Dunlop Sports Ltd (parent company of Srixon Golf), bought Cleveland for a relative song in 2007, and spent the next several years trying to figure out how to blend a struggling full-line brand in Cleveland with an emerging (in the US, anyway) full-line brand in Srixon.

Ultimately, it couldn’t. Cleveland’s last Tour-level irons were the circa-2012 588 MB/CB lines and by 2014 the course was set: Srixon would be the Tour-level/better player brand and Cleveland would be the Game Improvement/Senior/Short Game brand.

 

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That didn’t work either. Cleveland released the CG Black, the last of its full-line equipment, in early 2015. Soon thereafter Dunlop made it official: Cleveland would be the short game brand (wedges and putters) only, while Srixon would handle irons and woods.

With that as a backdrop, you could look at today’s announcement that Cleveland is returning to the full-line equipment world – as a Game Improvement line, no less –  as more slapdash corporate strategizing.

I think you’d be wrong, though.

We’ll discuss strategic merits in a bit, but first let’s look at Cleveland’s new goodies: 2 sets of irons and a driver-fairway-hybrid lineup. The entire package is aimed squarely – and unapologetically – at the Recreational/Game Improvement golfer.

Launcher HB Woods

Cleveland can take credit for releasing the very first 460 CC driver with the original Launcher, but you can make a case their last compelling driver was the HiBore. Since you’re making a comeback anyway, why not bring back both names?

“At the time, those were some of the best performing drivers on the market,” says Brian Schielke, Cleveland’s Senior Product Manager for Golf Clubs. “A lot of golfers have fond memories of their Launchers and HiBores, so we thought it was important to bring back and enhance the best technologies of both.”

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The Launcher HB driver features a new-age HiBore Crown on top, Flex-Fin technology on the bottom and the Launcher Cup Face in front, all in the name of thinner, lighter and more forgiving.

“Giving us a more forgiving club head by moving the center of gravity back and lower, that’s what we’ve all been trying to do for years,” says Cleveland R&D chief Jeff Brunski. “The physics haven’t changed much, but what we’re able to accomplish with the thickness and the strength of titanium has.”

“Flex-Fins get you more ball speed lower on the face, the HiBore crown gets you better energy transfer high on the face, and the Cup Face lets us go thinner and stronger over a larger area of the face. We need to see ball speed and efficient launch conditions to get people straighter and longer.” – Jeff Brunski, Cleveland Golf

You’ll notice the Launcher HB, at a very 2008-ish price of $299, is not adjustable (also very 2008-ish) – a move Cleveland says is as much about performance as it is about price, if not more.

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“If you’re a TaylorMade or a Callaway, you’re trying to get 30 or 40% market share with your drivers,” says Schielke. “You need to make something that’ll work for every type of golfer. so you put adjustable hosels on them, you put adjustable weights. That works kinda well for everyone, but it’s not optimized for anyone. We’re not making this driver for everyone. We’re making it for people who want to hit it high and straight.”

Adjustable hosels are all kinds of fun, but they aren’t terribly aerodynamic and tend to add mass high and forward – the worst possible location for this driver’s target golfer.

“If you’re a tinkerer or if you like to hit low fades or things like that, this isn’t the driver for you,” says Schielke. “There are a lot of other drivers that will work better for you. But if you just want to hit it high and straight time after time, this performs.”

“Adjustability serves a purpose from some golfers,” adds Brunski. “Ultimately people are going to realize they can get the same or better performance without paying for things they don’t use.”

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Brunski says the driver, fairway and hybrid are designed for golfers with average swing speeds – mid 80’s to mid 90’s. “We’ve been using the term ‘real golfer,’ a golfer who’s average in every dimension,” he adds. “Average swing speed, average distance – that’s the core golfer we’re targeting.”

The Launcher HB fairways and hybrids both feature the HiBore Crown and Flex-Fins. The driver will be available in 9, 10.5 and 12 degree options, with 15 and 18 degree fairways and 19, 22 and 25 degree hybrids. The stock shaft for the line is the Miyazaki’s C. Kua, but true to the target market, there will be no XS option.

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“There will be custom options available,” says Brunski. “But we’re not going to have a variety of no-upcharge options because the C. Kua was built as part of a cohesive design. We feel it will give the best performance for most golfers – the 8 to 20 handicappers who are the meat of industry. The lower handicap or tourney golfer – this driver really is not for them.”

As mentioned, the driver MSRP is $299. The fairway is $219 and the hybrid $199.

Launcher CBX Irons

Last week we told you about Cleveland’s new Game Improvement CBX wedges, which should dovetail nicely into the new Launcher CBX irons.

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“These are on the Better Player side of Game Improvement irons,” says Schielke. “The Cleveland brand is positioned for average golfers, but a lot of them are used to nice looking irons. We didn’t want these to have super-thick top lines or be extremely oversized. These might even appeal to lower handicaps, maybe 5 to 16 or so.”

There’s plenty of familiar Srixon-Cleveland tech built into the CBX irons, including Tour Zip Grooves and Double Laser face milling (same grooves as Cleveland’s wedges) throughout the set and a progressive V-Shaped sole for better turf interaction.

“If people associate anything with Cleveland Golf, it’s the ability to design good grooves and a sole that gets through the turf effectively,” says Brunski. “Those are things that help you score better. A lot of other manufacturers, as they chase distance, make tradeoffs. If you put it all into distance you don’t have much money left to create spin generating technologies.”

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Testing shows the CBX long irons are remarkably easy to launch due to their low profile and low center of gravity. “The shape progresses from a low profile in the long irons to more of standard profile with the short irons,” says Schielke. “Blade length also progresses. The 4-iron blade is slightly longer, so you have more area to hit the ball if you’re less precise. The short irons are designed for more control. They’re more compact with a higher CG so you’re not hitting balloon balls.”

Comparing the 7-iron to a Srixon Z 765 you’d see a smidge more offset and a tad wider sole, but just a smidge and only a tad. Cleveland does a nice job masking GI features, producing an iron that wouldn’t look out of place in a better player’s bag. Also of note: the sole carries both the iron number and the loft.

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Thank you, Ben Hogan.

The stock shaft is the new Dynamic Gold DST 98, which Cleveland says has the same profile as the Dynamic Gold, just a good bit lighter. The Miyazaki C.Kua is the stock graphite shaft.

CBS pricing is also very 2008-ish: $699 for the 4-PW in steel, $799 in graphite.

Cleveland CBX Specs

 

Launcher HB Irons

There’s a very specific – and underserved – market for the Launcher HB’s, which occupies a space even more forgiving than Super-Duper Game Improvement irons. These are very much the “Sons of the 588 Altitudes.”

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“The HB’s are for golfers who just want to hit the ball farther and straighter with a more forgiving club,” says Brunski. “These were some of our most popular irons in the past, simply because they perform so well and are so unique. It’s a fun product to design in that you have the fewest constraints on shape. You don’t have some Tour player telling you they want to see this, or feedback from avid golfers with strong opinions.”

The Launcher HB’s are a hollow body iron with dramatically more forgiveness than even the most Super Game Improvement cavity back. The HB’s feature Cleveland’s HiBore Crown, which allows for a very low and very deep center of gravity to get the ball in the air.

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“A lot of things in this product still stand the test of time,” says Brunski. “The most significant enhancement, from an engineering standpoint, is in the materials and our ability to thin out the face to produce more ball speed.”

The HB’s use HT 1770 high strength steel for a thin, hot face. “Most average to slow swing speed players can add distance just by hitting the ball higher, and these will hit the ball higher than anything else on the market,” says Brunski. “But on top of that, where can you add performance? It’s getting them a little more ball speed with a thinner face.”

With Adams dead and buried, Cleveland sees a huge opportunity in this end of the market (something our own Tony Covey predicted in 2014). Schielke thinks the HB’s might be Cleveland’s biggest seller, at least in the short term, since the product will be launching in the fall, at a time when aging avid golfers, who lost their egos 20 yards ago, return to the Sunbelt.

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The HB’s have the same stock shafts at the CBX’s, and are priced the same as well – $699 in steel, $799 in graphite.

All of the new Cleveland products will be available starting September 15th.

Cleveland HB irons specs

Now About That Comeback?

So, is this a Resurrection or a Hail Mary for Cleveland? We can rule out Hail Mary for one simple reason: Srixon-Cleveland is simply not in desperation mode. By all accounts, it’s been a banner year for both brands, but without a solid GI/SGI offering, both brands are missing out on the industry’s biggest segment, Srixon’s Z 355 line (to be discontinued with Cleveland’s return) notwithstanding.

In retrospect, pulling the plug on full-line Cleveland in 2015 made sense. Dunlop Sports tried making a big splash that year with Srixon’s Z-45 line, but wound up missing the pool altogether. Early shipping and availability issues crippled the line before it could even get out of the starting gate, and Cleveland’s CG Black line was yet another blah Cleveland release that excited no one.

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Clearly a reset was needed.

And say what you will about not being influenced by what Tour players play, Tour validation is important (how many Matsuyama WITB stories have you seen today?), as is strong management, a focused sales team, retail availability and some good old fashioned mojo. Srixon has clearly found its mojo with some badly needed successes in balls and clubs, including top honors in MyGolfSpy’s Most Wanted Driver and Game Improvement iron testing, to go along with Matsuyama’s stellar play.

Srixon has clearly kicked the door down and taken a seat at forged iron/better player table. However, it’s not serving the biggest chunk of the market, so bringing back Cleveland as the Recreational Player/Game Improvement brand makes sense. Doing it now makes even more sense when you consider 2017 is the off-year in Srixon’s two-year product cycle. We won’t see new drivers or irons from Srixon until next fall, so the anticipated whoopdeedoo surrounding Cleveland’s return keeps the positive brand mojo rolling.

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This targeted, dual-brand approach is essentially the same plan that failed back in 2014, but the context is completely different. Back then Cleveland was reeling, Srixon was desperately seeking validation and a new management team was trying to sort it all out (longtime CEO Greg Hopkins left just a year before). Both brands are on much more stable footing today, and a year-plus of CEO Matt Yasumoto’s leadership has palpably energized corporate’s attitude and culture.

Will it work? Cleveland is playing it smart by clearly differentiating its new products from the Srixon line, targeting the fat part of the bell curve and pricing for value. But if you define success as forcing TaylorMade and Callaway to wave the white flag and close up shop, then no, it won’t. The bar, however, is set kind of low. In 2014, Cleveland’s market shares in irons and metal woods were 1.6% and 1% respectively, barely good enough for a participant’s ribbon. Matching those numbers with an upward trajectory would be a solid first step.

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      Danny

      5 years ago

      Great article. I’m a little late to this, but I’ll add my two cents. I just bought the 10.5 driver and I love it. My old gamer was a Nike Sasquatch from like 2004 and my typical “good” shot was about 240-250 with a fade of about 5-10 yards. Apples for apples, I’m getting about 260-270 with almost no fade with my new CG driver. Absolutely love it. I’m going to try out CBX irons to see how how those feel. I’m currently playing with a 20 year old set of Callaway Big Bertha irons that have seen much better days. I really like my irons, but I think that’s more about me being so used to them after all these years. I bet the CBXs will be way better (as would any other new iron set, probably).

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      John Aberman

      6 years ago

      I just bought a set of the CBX irons (4-DW). They are fantastic. I play to about a 15 handicap and in my first 3 rounds with them I shot an 88, 87 and a 79. I’m very happy with them and as soon as I dial in distances I’ll be all the more happy (and I’m sure, lower my index)…

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      rlpjr

      6 years ago

      I went to a Demo Days 2 Saturday’s ago to try out the new Ping;Titleist;Taylormade and Callaway and right before I left decided to hit the new Cleveland / Srixon lineup. I thought the Cleveland Launcher Woods and CBX irons and wedges were great and If ever went back to a Forged iron I would play the Srixon irons over the other brands , even Mizuno.

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      Shooter

      6 years ago

      Great article. I chortle at times when those among us critique clubs based on their beauty… I thought it was about the score and the ability to stay out of elements, such as water, woods and sand. I don’t date my clubs (HB3s, full set and XR driver). I just want to hit the ball straight. The HB3s enable me to do that more often than not. They are incredibly easy to hit. Try the new ones. Leave the beauty for our wives and girlfriends and enjoy the hazards as you walk by, not through, them.

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      Fuzzy Bumble Bee

      7 years ago

      John, I appreciate you sending me to this site. It was a great read and for an old fart like me, I can’t wait to see, try and pick up a set of these clubs and driver.

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      Lynyrd

      7 years ago

      I don’t play either brand; Cleveland or Srixon, but glad to see a return to market. Always hate to see iconic names die i.e., Adams, MacGregor, Hogan almost. Also think Nike and Adidas leadership lack guts and conviction. The gaps will be filled and they will miss out. “Weather the storm and keep rowing the boat” – P.J. Fleck

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      Adam

      7 years ago

      So I see Cleveland in Asia has pulled the Cleveland Black Forged Irons this year from their website specifically in Korea. Be interesting to see if a different iron offering pops up or not compared to Americas and rest of the world.

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      Steve S

      7 years ago

      If these clubs are targeted for the the guy that just like to have fun playing golf, buys off the rack, doesn’t have a handicap, etc. then…..why make them USGA conforming? Wouldn’t the 90-100 weekend shooter that can’t hit a drive 200 yards like a club that helps him hit it 220-230? And a size that makes the sweet spot the size of a silver dollar instead of a dime?

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      Adam

      7 years ago

      Good point Steve S about why have to be conforming.
      Brands like Katana/Sword in Japan which are very high end clubs, make non-conforming clubs, for players who just simply like playing golf and the score doesn’t matter too much.

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      Peter

      7 years ago

      I used all Cleveland clubs for over 7 yrs. CG 1 irons CG 12 wedges Hibore drive and 3&5 woods great clubs. I may go back to them. Trying TM Rocket Bladz

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      Cleveland Fan

      7 years ago

      I played the same clubs and loved the entire line. The Hi-Bore driver was one of the best.

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      Michael Rosen

      7 years ago

      I play the 588 Altitude Woods and Irons – D, 3,5, Hy, 4-D.
      If the Laucher HBs can can increase my distance and help even more with high soft landing shots, sign me up.
      I am 66 yrs. old with a 9 Hdcp.

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      Ron Lay

      7 years ago

      It is interesting that my regular morning group includes three seniors ranging from 71 to 85 years of age and we all are currently using the Cleveland black driver. I am the youngster in the group and play the 12 degree A flex, while my compadres are using R shafts and 10.5 heads. I am also playing a Cleveland black 4 wood and a set of Cleveland Black irons and wedges, 7 iron to 60 degree. It is great news that folks like us have not been forgotten and there will be more Cleveland clubs that we might want to play available.

      I am using the 2012 edition with Kua shafts and was sorry when the 2015 Cleveland Blacks switched to the Bassara, which feel less lively to me. So I could not be happier that the newest offerings will be featuring the Kua shafts. It will be interesting to hit these new Clevelands to see if they offer any improvement over my current sticks.

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      Padraig Doyle

      7 years ago

      Have a Tour Edge 36 degree and 30 degree rescue in my bag for a few years and they are the most reliable, effective clubs I have. Delighted to read that Cleveland are launching a line of irons to a similar design in September (Launcher HB). Any idea if they’ll be available in Europe ?
      Thanks again for a great report.

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      Geoff

      7 years ago

      I’ve been playing the original Launcher for years. I have yet to find another driver that provides any significant improvement in accuracy and distance. Looking forward to trying the new Launcher !

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      Stevegp

      7 years ago

      I really like how Cleveland is straightforward in stating the target market of this line. Since I am in this target market, I am interested in demoing them.

      I play the Srixon 355 driver, which I really like, and am a fan of the Srixon irons and balls .

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      Ken

      7 years ago

      I meant 3 “iron” of course…

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      Ken

      7 years ago

      I see the new Cleveland launcher HB irons don’t have a 3 wood.
      I play HB3’s and love my 3 wood…Is there a reason they have left this club out of the set?

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      jas herrington

      7 years ago

      I played Hogan irons for 20 yrs, then went 2 Cleveland & was never happy. I figured it out, I like the GI but hated the offset. I luv the way the CBX looks, but I`m scared 2 mess w my head again. I`d like 2 hit`m, but I`m hittin it straight again w TM RSI TP`s.

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      Dance_Business

      7 years ago

      I have the 3,4, & 5 588 Altitudes in my bag. I tried them years ago & was mesmerized. I replaced my 2, 3, and 4 iron (Nike ProCombo). Same lofts as the Nike, but SO MUCH EASIER to hit. I look forward to this new generation of Hy-rons.

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      Jim

      7 years ago

      34 degree loft on an 8-iron! Really? Standard has been 37.5/38.
      9-iron at 39 degrees? My Srixon 9 iron is 42. Must be a new world order. The numbers on the bottom don’t mean anything anymore.

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      Berniez40

      7 years ago

      I currently Game the z355 Irons and love them. None the less, I am a Big Clevekand Launcher fan from way back. I used to live that old hold Fuji shaft. Anyone remember VJ Singh becoming the number one golfer for a while using The Launcher stuff. That’s back when he carried a 9 wood with a 5 Wood shaft in it. I wish them well…even if just for nostalgia’s sake. Seems,like lots of weekend warriors packed The Launcher. I was never a fan of The Hi Bore..but what the hell, I was hitting a Nickent Driver at the time. Always a little off the beaten path I guess.

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      Bob

      7 years ago

      I own cleveland wedges and think they are great. I had a new 2016, mode,l major manufacto,r adjustible driver but picked up the cleveland classic black, non adjustible driver and it’s been in my bag since. Very satisfied with the clubs and hope Cleveland does well with these new offerings

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      Shortside

      7 years ago

      Like it. And I’m a shameless forged snob. Who’s also still gaming a Cleveland Classic XL. Easily one of the most underrated deep face low spin drivers released that year. That said my “adjustable” driver is set to neutral. Just like 85+% of them out there. And that’s probably 5-10% low. I’ll be giving the Launcher a spin for sure.

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      Alan

      7 years ago

      Oh, everyone that got out of the game now wants to come back in. Rather interesting since golf equipment sales ($$$$) were down last year.

      So, here is a simple and honest question, CC are maxed out at 460. Ct is a better measure than COR and that is maxed out, the engineers can tinker with MOI a bit to improve it but if you are a hopeless slicer or hooker, all the MOI in the world will not help you.

      So what do we really have here ??
      Allow me to move slightly off topic for a moment. You and the rest of the golf world is going crazy over the new PING G 400. YET !!!! in every test I have seen even the 110+ mph golfers are getting only about 5-7 years more carry than the G and G 30 counterparts.

      WHERE IS THE BREAKTHROUGH ??? For a low 90 mph golfer it might actually be a trade off since the newer G 400 had a high launch angle and more spin compared to the older models.

      I think this is more of a Hail Mary. you neglected to mention that in addition to Srixon, they are trying to introduce their premium line, XXIO into the US market.
      Also having a limited number of shaft options is a KILLER!!!!! you and everyone else have been stating for years how IMPORTANT the fitting process is to really optimize your swing with the clubs you play.

      I just do not see that approach with the new Cleveland woods.

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      Ryebread

      7 years ago

      Just some food for thought…
      – 90%+ of golfers out there buy off the rack.
      – 90% of golfers shoot over 90 on your average muni.
      – This is the perfect set of clubs for 90% of golfers if they could put their ego aside, swallow the looks and buy them.
      – Most “serious” golfers who aren’t at private clubs complain of pace of play. Seems like anything that would get that average weekend hack hitting the ball a little higher, straighter (even if slightly shorter), and more in play would benefit us all.

      And I say all of this as a “serious” golfer who plays HiBore hybrid irons. I’m perfectly able to look in the mirror and be objective about my game. I hope Cleveland sells a ton of them.

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      John Barba

      7 years ago

      The problem with this kind of cynicism is the logic tends to be self-serving and self-supporting. It makes perfect sense in a vacuum but once you apply that cynicism to the real world it tends to fall apart.

      In the real world there are plenty of people who like to golf, but whether they have physical limitations, financial limitations or time limitations, they’re not going to practice like avid golfers and aren’t going to invest the time and money needed to get fit or become a low-single digit. They just want to play golf every once in a while for fun.

      Where’s the BREAKTHROUGH? Maybe in providing that guy with equipment that helps him have a little more fun, even if it’s only that one or two shots per round that keep him coming back. Will his handicap drop? Doubtful, probably because he doesn’t keep a handicap. It’s a game and believe it or not, an awful lot of people play it for fun and really don’t care about CT, COR, the USGA, club fitting or shaft options, no matter how IMPORTANT that stuff is to some avid golfers.

      I get being cynical, I really do, but cynicism without actual thinking is really just mental self-pleasuring.

      Dan

      7 years ago

      The breakthrough is in making a club for a specific consumer. There are a lot of good products out there and everyone is at the USGA limits. So the only way to show a performance advantage is to design your product for a specific consumer. You sell more drivers trying to be everything to everyone. But you can actually show a significant performance advantage by making a product for a specific consumer.

      You also got a few things wrong on XXIO. XXIO is one of the healthiest and more established golf brands in the industry (#1 selling brand in Japan for 16 straight years and almost $700 million in annual sales globally). It’s not “testing” the us market. They are here to stay and growing extremely fast. But like the new CG stuff. XXIO is for a specific consumer. It’s openly not for everyone and that is why it is so successful and works so well for a specific consumer. The reason the do not offer any custom shafts is the XXIO product is already custom engineered as a complete golf club for a specific golfer. They do not conform to the rules of the current golf industry in North America. XXIO is one of the fastest growing brands in North America and is growing exponentially over the last three years with zero tour, zero tv, zero print and no custom options. All sales are based on performance only, and they are up front that XXIO (like the new CG clubs) are not for everyone and that is exactly why they work so well for that consumer. Note it is not the same consumer. The CG line will fit a wider range of golfers with a little more clubhead speed.

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      Ryan

      7 years ago

      588 forged are some of the best irons ever. Ive owned 3.5 sets and will always have a set sitting around for money games

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      FTWPhil

      7 years ago

      Why do we need metalwood head flex if jailbreak technology produces more ball speed by stiffening the body?

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      Ray

      7 years ago

      Nice to se someone support the slower swinger for a change.
      We need all the help we can get!

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      McaseyM

      7 years ago

      Kinda torn on this one. Seems like they were doing well with being the short game segment of the brand, but then again, i personally don’t have any Cleveland gear history to compare their old stuff.
      I like how they are differentiating by having (new) Cleveland being the entry level golfer/GI/SGI line, having Srixon cut the 355 line so that there’s no carryover/overlap and plants them in the more mid level through “player” line and XXIO as the premium “senior” line, but it’s kinda confusing to then have Cleveland be short game from SGI through premium again, and back to Srixon for balls.
      I know they mentioned they were strong in drivers when the 460cc sizing came out, but honestly, i hadn’t seen anyone playing the last few generations of Cleveland drivers or woods before they previously stopped their iron/hybrid/wood segment, except my wife’s grandfather who buys Warrior or only off the clearance rack, not comparing Cleveland to Warrior, as quality, but just cost mentality.
      They did make the great move with pricing on these new lines, but only time will tell.

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      ryebread

      7 years ago

      The 588 hybrids and FWs were both great products. I’m still not sure I’ve ever hit a better all around hybrid than the 588. It wasn’t the longest or the very most forgiving, but it was a good blend of playability, turf interaction, distance, sound/feel/looks and consistency. Using one of those old “spider web” scales, it would have probably rated a 7-8 in every category (with hard grading), which made it incredibly balanced. Srixon still hasn’t bested it for this “real” golfer.

      Cleveland really hasn’t had a good driver since the HiBore days (and I think I’ve tried them all). It is good to see them go back and try that design again. One of these in 9 degrees/stiff is definitely one I would try.

      I would agree though that most of the Cleveland product that I see in bags (outside the wedges) is older Launcher and Hibore FWs, drivers and hybrids. I play with a lot of random people and as a gear head ask them questions. Many of these “single” Cleveland sightings are paired with newer clubs in the bag along with a comment to the line of “I’ve never found anything that I hit better.” Makes sense to me.

      The Hibore/Launcher era was seemingly when people cared quite a bit less about club aesthetics and had much less real world data to drive purchasing decisions. If this line works on the sound/feel/looks then it could really be a winner.

      I also think it’s smart for Srixon to ditch the z355 series. That driver was really good, and the FW was long, but they didn’t line up with the rest of the Srixon products. The z355 driver and FW didn’t look SGI, but didn’t look like a 5 series or 7 series either. The z355 irons just didn’t look as premium as the 5 or 7 series either. They could have had a little more visually (alignment aids) and Cleveland badging and been right at home.

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      Steven C

      7 years ago

      “Also of note: the sole carries both the iron number and the loft. Thank you, Ben Hogan.”

      No need to thank Ben Hogan. The Cleveland CG16 which released in 2010 or 2011 had this as well, though I think this looks better than it did on those irons.

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      Ryebread

      7 years ago

      Thanks for the information. On some other sites, people are asking “why?” but I get it. I’ve played several iterations of HiBores hybrid irons and likely will play these as well. I think they’ll be hard pressed to out perform the Altitudes, but who doesn’t want a little more ball speed, particularly if they keep the launch up (i.e. not gained be de-lofting)? I know of at least one single digit handicapper playing HiBores, so there are “real players” who can shoot good scores with them.

      The driver makes perfect sense to me. It is the niche that TM owned but seemingly abandoned with the Burner line. I’d love to see a CG position on that head.

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      stan barrett

      7 years ago

      Glad to see the Launcher back , have a 2006 set , easyest Iron to hit.
      was thinking of the Ping gmax , now I will throw the Launcher HB into the mix. looking to go to a senior flex
      age 68
      13 hcap

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      xjohnx

      7 years ago

      “There are a lot of other drivers that will work better for you. But if you just want to hit it high and straight time after time, this performs.”

      Hard to not respect such honest words in a market of false promises and unmet expectations.

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      John Barba

      7 years ago

      That’s been my experience with Srixon-Cleveland — they’ll tell you what their products do and the benefits, but they won’t try to snow you and tell you a specific product is perfect for everyone. They target their stuff appropriately and do a solid job of explaining why one of their products would make an excellent choice for a specific type of golfer.

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      burkmi08242012

      7 years ago

      John,
      Great read here as always! You really bring a lot of info to the table and your articles are well thought out. I’m very excited to see the Cleveland name getting a fresh feel and targeting the “common man” of the consumer golf segment. As a competitive, low-handicap player I strive for simplicity from my golf equipment and Cleveland has been my bread-and-butter for years with the driver. I still have the Launcher 330 as my driver in the bag, there is nothing more simple then that. I know this new HB driver is geared towards the higher-hdcp players but if they may a square faced model I would strongly consider.
      Cheers!

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      ole gray

      7 years ago

      I’m interested in the hybrid iron concept that the Launcher HB set will provide. I don’t work the ball anyway so a nice high approach shot with these big butted irons might be the ticket. Now the driver with the light weight shaft may or may not tickle my fancy. I’m finding out that that light weight shafts are not suited for my ball dispersion off the tee. It’s not a good thing when your tee shots are kin to a duck. With that said I’m thinking the Cleveland line will be a bit hit for both intermediate golfers and the old guys/gals looking for some fun on the course.

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      ole gray

      7 years ago

      It sounds like a great product for those starting in golf and the seniors out there. The problem I would be concerned with is the light weight shafts. I have found (even though I’m a senior) these sub 270 gram drivers with the pencil weight shafts cause dispersion issues, to include rope hooks (for me) that make a mallard duck cry.

      As usual, great write up John!

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      Tider992010

      7 years ago

      Count me as a fan! I loved Cleveland products a few years ago and will look at these when they hit the market. I’ve played the Black Drivers, Fairways etc. and am glad to see them back.

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      Carolina Golfer 2

      7 years ago

      Really good piece John. I had several thoughts while reading the piece, and my mind changed about the offerings a few times while doing so.

      I think they are spot on with the Driver, that’s a price point a lot of people thought we’d never see again in a major name OEM driver.
      Targeting the Senior slower swing player (geez…that can’t b eme..canit :)…) kinda reminds me the approach Taylor Made too with the Adams line a couple years ago.
      However, Combining the Launcher and Hi-Bore names is interesting to me, as I was a fan of both, more so the Launcher than the Hi-Bore. I’ll be interested to see a view of the top of the crown. Is it fully scooped like the Hi-Bore, I kinda hope not.

      As to the irons, at first I thought they missed the mark with CBS, by not making them fully GI, it seems they may target the same player who may be suited toward the Srixon 565, however the price will help. But I thought they might go more full CB, but maybe that was tried with the 355, which I’m not sure was ever a huge success.

      Then I saw the Launcher HB irons and realize this is the SGI player here, can’t really add anything to what you already mentioned about the Altitudes. These should be a hit for the very beginning Hi Cap player

      As to the timing being an off year for Srixon releases, makes me think they are going to take a page out of the Mizuno book, they way they stagger the JPX and MP releases. Not necessarily a bad plan.

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      John Barba

      7 years ago

      I’m thinking the CBX irons are more along the lines of the Srixon 355 irons, which are being discontinued. Maybe analogous to, say, the difference between the Steelheads and the Steelhead Pros, although I think the CBX’s look a little better.

      And it’s hard to tell from the photo at the end – but the HiBore crown is VERY muted, maybe 5 MM or so worth of indentation – not at all like the old HiBore driver.

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      Carolina Golfer 2

      7 years ago

      Thanks for the clarification on the CBX, it is kinda hard to get an exact comparison without seeing them.

      Good to know on the driver!!

      Rob

      7 years ago

      “The Launcher HB driver features a new-age HiBore Crown on top…”

      Not a single picture of the driver at address to see what the crown looks like?? Is it scooped out like the old Hibore?

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      Carolina Golfer 2

      7 years ago

      Check out the last picture, I missed it at first as well when I first read the piece, and made a similar comment.

      It does appear to have the scooped crown.

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      John Barba

      7 years ago

      Like Carolina said, check out the last picture – it’s not a big scoop – maybe only 5MM or so.

      Rob

      7 years ago

      Thanks, I saw the last picture but it looked like the fairway wood and I wasn’t sure if the driver looked the same on top or not.

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