2019 Driver Buying Survey Results
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2019 Driver Buying Survey Results

2019 Driver Buying Survey Results

A month, ok – maybe two ago, we asked you to take a driver buying survey. We were looking for some insight, not only into what driver made it into your bag, but also about the other drivers you demoed, where you ultimately purchased your driver, and whether or not you were custom fitted.

While I think most of us are genuinely interested in what our peer’s play (and how much they spent on it), there’s no doubt in my mind that the manufacturers are going to be taking a close look at this one to better understand your buying habits. As always, I’ve provided my thoughts on the information you’ve provided.

More than 6700 of you completed the survey (6734 to be precise). Thanks for your feedback, and now let’s get to it.

The Basic Demographic Data

The results are consistent with our previous surveys. We’ve got ourselves a gentle little bell curve here with just a bit under 60% of our readers falling in the 6-15 range, which we can safely describe as the wheelhouse of the golf equipment industry.

Slightly disheartening though not particularly surprising. We will persevere.

Not as clean a curve as our index question, but our readers are reasonably representative of the market as a whole. It’s hard to imagine you’d find this sort of spread in many other sports.

With that out of the way, let’s get to the good stuff.

The Meaty Part of the Survey

The MyGolfSpy reader is typically a gearhead, so it’s not even a little surprising that the majority of you replace your drivers every 1-3 years (with 2-3 years being the most common response). Across the entire population of golfers, 4-5 years is likely closer to the average,  but what’s the fun in that?

To a degree, I suppose this speaks to pre-conceived notions or perhaps even bias. We all have brands we like and brands we don’t. Sometimes those feelings are driven by performance, sometimes by the cool factor, and sometimes seemingly for no reason at all. All of the above are likely in play here.

Callaway and TaylorMade have had a near duopoly on the driver market for more than a decade. PING has released several strong performers over the years, and Titleist has always had its audience. Basically, this all makes perfect sense.

It’s also not a shock to learn that Cobra lives in a kind of a middle ground between the industry leaders and the challenger brands.

Among those of you who selected Other, the most frequently mentioned brands were Nike and Adams. Let’s take a quiet moment to remember both.

Honma, Wishon, Air Force One, and Bobby Jones were also among the names listed.

In the parlance of Callaway Golf, we’ve got ourselves a Mongolian reversal of sorts. Among respondents, Callaway was the brand purchased most frequently, followed closely by PING and TaylorMade. It’s also noteworthy that Cobra jumped from 6.76% as a preferred brand to 11.49% as the brand purchased. Titleist was nearly level.

Among the challenger brands, a few – notably Srixon, Mizuno, and Tour Edge – while not approaching the leaders were purchased at higher rates than the responses to the previous question would lead us to expect.

This is, arguably, the most intriguing question in this survey as it speaks to the chasm between the industry’s haves and its have-nots. Any small/challenger brand will tell you that the biggest hurdle it has to clear in any club buying or demo situation is finding its way into the conversation.

If you don’t try it, you probably won’t buy it. Reworded – it’s not a lack of performance; it’s a lack of opportunity.

There a multitude of factors in play, but one can’t help but think that part of the reason why, as an example, Callaway drivers were purchased more than 25x more frequently than Wilson drivers by our readers is that Callaway is included in that initial conversation (the demo set) significantly more often.

Simply put, the overwhelming majority of you try Callaway drivers, you try TaylorMade drivers, and PING drivers, and Titleist drivers a good bit of the time as well. By the time we get to Cobra, the demo rate is dropping precipitously. The next step down to Mizuno, Srixon, and even NONE is a big one, and it significantly limits the sales opportunities for smaller brands, regardless of whether or not they can match or exceed the performance of the leaders.

A good bit of this can be traced to the obvious. You guys are gearheads, and gearheads want the new stuff. That said, I’m surprised by the relatively low percentage of you who buy used, and I suspect that number is higher in the world beyond the boundaries of MyGolfSpy.

On any story about a new club release, we get a few comments from readers who tell us they’ll wait and pick it up at a discount next year. For better or worse, the days of discounting (at least rapid discounting) are largely over. Manufacturers prefer you buy the newest models, and they’re putting considerable effort into ensuring that’s the case. The 6-month release cycle is gone, and as manufacturers have become more responsible with inventory management, slash and burn pricing has gone the way of the 907 D1. With plenty of patience, there are still good deals to be had, but generally, prices only get cut when a new model is on the way, which helps to explain why nearly 60% of you bought the latest and greatest.

The big box retailer is still on top, and that number is likely higher across the entire golf population. It’s also positive to see off-course shops as well as green grass getting your business. eBay is, I suppose, about what you’d expect, while direct from the manufacturer sales continue to rise.

We’ve basically flatlined across the entire price spectrum. The dip at $551-$600 is likely attributable to the reality that $500-$550 gets you into a stock (or no-charge upgrade) build from one of the major manufacturers, but the extra $50-$100 isn’t enough to get you into a premium/exotic shaft upgrade. It’s the dead zone. I would have expected a more significant spike between $450 and $550 given that’s where most new drivers are currently priced. Are there secret deals we don’t know about?

A question for those of you who spent less than $250, what did you buy and where did you buy it? For the more than 7% of you who spent more than $600, same question.

As we’re beginning to touch on in our Shaft University series, there’s plenty of misinformation and confusion around the golf shaft, so I wanted to get a better idea of what golfers are buying along with a general sense of what our readers believe to be the role of the shaft in the fitting equation. Given how much still gets purchased off-the-rack, and how much of custom fitting is more accurately described as fit from stock, we’d expect that the majority of you would have stock shafts in your drivers.

It’s also not particularly eye-opening that the next most significant chunk is comprised of no-upcharge alternatives. I suppose the aftermarket exotic option accounting for 21+% is interesting. As you’ll see, this number isn’t far off from the percentage of you who were custom fitted somewhere like Cool Clubs or Club Champion. Those fittings tend to be the most intensive, and while exotic shafts aren’t always the recommendation, they are places that generally seek to find the best possible fit for golfers.

Again, this one was about trying to gauge perceptions of the relative importance of the shaft in the fitting equation. I’m sure that even within the industry itself there isn’t universal agreement, though I think the majority would say that, by some degree, the head is more important than the shaft. What’s interesting, I suppose, is that among those who don’t see head and shaft as equal contributors, more respondents believe the shaft matters more than the head. This was true for both the slightly more and the significantly more options.

As I said, I don’t think there’s universal agreement here, but I’d be shocked if anyone on the R&D side, or even the fitting side, would argue that the shaft matters significantly more than the head. You probably wouldn’t find much support for the idea that the shaft matters even a little bit more than the head. The analogy I’ve heard most often is that of a big knob and a small tuning knob. In these scenarios, the head is always the big knob – it’s the part of the equation that allows you to affect the most change, whereas the shaft is more of a fine-tuning knob that allows for smaller adjustments.

A straightforward question that, in addition to giving us an idea of what percentage of our golfers got fitted for drivers, also allowed us to fork things out and focus a bit more on those of you who did.

It’s satisfying to see that a majority of you were, to some degree, fitted for your driver.

These next few questions for shown only to respondents who told us they were fitted for their drivers. It’s absolutely awesome that the highest percentage of you worked with a specialty fitter like Cool Clubs, Club Champion, or TrueSpec (presumably among others). Among the rest, big box and off-course were the next most common selections. While in most cases, these locations don’t have quite the same capabilities as the high-end guys, it’s a hell of a good start.

Demo days accounted for a significantly smaller percentage of your fitting experiences than I would have thought, while HQ fittings happen at a bit higher rate than I would have guessed.

This is sometimes a hotly debated question in fitting circles. As is typically the case we these types of things, each scenario has advantages and disadvantages. Outdoors, you have the benefit of seeing the full flight, and with iron fittings, you get a truer sense of turf interaction. You also bring weather into play and have to adjust for the reality that something as simple as the wind can impact how a golfer swings.

Indoors takes weather out of the equation, and most simulation software does an excellent job of representing ball flight. There are sometimes situations where golfers feel overly confined, and that can impact how they swing.

My feeling is that both environments are suitable for fitting. What’s often overlooked, and significantly more important is that the ball used during your fitting is either the ball you play or something similar. If you play a 4-piece, urethane, tour ball, what sense is there in getting fit with beat-to-hell range balls?

My, we’ve come a long way in a relatively short time. Some form of launch monitor was used in all but 3.32% of fittings. It’s not particularly surprising to see Trackman as the most widely used here. It has an established track record, most OEMs own a fleet of them, and the cost structure is such that once you have one, moving to a different platform is cost-prohibitive.

Now’s the part where I ruffle some feathers. It is my opinion that in an outdoor environment, both radar-based (Trackman and FlightScope) and camera-based systems (Foresight/Skytrak) are excellent. If you don’t fully trust the algorithms camera-based systems use and want to make a case for radar, I can understand that. I’ll take accurate head data and with that reliable head speed and smash factor measurements, and we can call it a push.

If you’re indoors, I believe camera-based systems are superior. We can save the debate for another day, but a quick Google search should satisfy your curiosity.

Ultimately, good fitters focus on consistency across several metrics, so in that respect, it’s not always paramount that the numbers be accurate to the decimal. With a competent fitter and a quality piece of hardware, a proper fitting can be had in nearly any environment.

Among a population of readers who consistently tell me that drivers (and golf clubs in general) are too damn expensive, only 2.12% of you said cost was the primary factor in your buying decision. Obviously, that’s not to say cost isn’t a factor, it definitely is. But as far as it being your primary consideration, only brand name factored less. That’s also interesting given how lightly demoed clubs from the challenger brands was reported to be.

I’m reading between the lines here, but I suspect cost isn’t as significant a factor as it’s made out to be, while brand name may be more of a factor than some are letting on. Even if you didn’t explicitly buy for the brand name, the numbers suggest clubs are being ignored because of the brand name.

I’m hoping it’s because we have a more educated reader, but there may also be a disconnect between what’s listed as the primary reason for buying (forgiveness/consistency) and what golfers typically buy (distance). While it’s certainly more relevant to our iron tests, some manufacturers have told us that they don’t feel we properly weight for distance because their studies show it is the primary driving factor in the purchasing decision. You guys rated it 3rd, and I really want to believe you.

Hopefully, we are all getting smarter. While it ranked 4th out of 7 choices, I love that 7.52% of you bought because of a Stokes Gained projection and/or the idea that the new driver would help you shoot lower scores.

For respondents who weren’t custom fitted, we asked why not. My response to your responses (from left to right):

Wrong. Way wrong. I get it. I definitely get it. Fair enough.

Among the Other responses, the most common responses were things like “I knew my specs from my last fitting,” “it’s too expensive,” and “I’m going to get fit next time.”

Nothing earth-shattering here. The majority of drivers sold are between 9° and 10.5°, with 10s and 10.5s slightly more popular than the equivalent 9s. We’ve got a loose bell curve with the 8s being only slightly more popular than the 12s. The 11° and 11.5° are less commonly purchased, but that’s easily traced to the fact that very few brands produce those lofts. The same is true for sub-8°,  and extremely high lofted drivers.

It’s perhaps worth mentioning that, not long ago, the majority of manufacturers vanity lofted their drivers. They intentionally produced drivers with more than stated loft because off-the-rack buyers would habitually buy less loft than they needed. As mass properties (the internal weighting of the club) have changed (improved) and the percentage of golfers who get fit for clubs has increased, the trend is starting to move the other direction. Some manufacturers are now producing parts with actual lofts below the stated spec. The goal is to design a driver where the real loft provides the expected trajectory for the golfer accustomed to playing a given stated loft.

Should it really be that complicated? Probably not. Fortunately, for those who get fit, none of this stated vs. actual spec stuff is overly important.

We probably should have broken this down a bit differently so that we could draw an absolute conclusion. My bad. What we can say is that the highest percentage of drivers you bought are between 44.5″ and 45″, though I’d reasonably expect that balancing out off-the-rack and full custom experiences, 45″ is likely close to the real average.

The majority of off-the-rack offerings are between 45.5″ and 45.75″. Keep in mind those are the stated lengths, and it’s far from unheard of for manufacturers to add another 1/4″ to 1/2″ to gain a distance advantage in the hitting bay. That type of nonsense has trickled down throughout the industry as nearly everyone has increased shaft length over the past few years to remain relevant in a world where the buying decision is often decided by a launch monitor distance battle and accuracy is, at most, a secondary concern.

Custom fitters are more likely to fit golfers into shorter shafts (44.5″ or less) as they typically increase control.

I suppose you could argue that when all the talk about bias, the need for custom fitting, and golfers buying for the right reasons, the only thing that should matter is that you’re happy with your purchase. To that end, it’s a good thing that 70.58% are extremely happy with your most recent purchases, and another 26.74% of you are at least somewhat satisfied.

We’d certainly love to hear from all of you about what you like about your most recent purchase, what you don’t like, and what you’ll do differently next time.

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      Jasper

      5 years ago

      Bought a brand new, but two model years old, Srixon Z-355 for about $150. Read a ton of reviews and tests online. It was a 100% online purchase. Basically, I was looking for a modern, 450-460 cc, adjustable driver with a clubhead that I can feel through the swing. I am pretty happy with how it has worked out. 220-240 yds, with only the occasional slice. I would like to try a much shorter shaft but that will have to be a diy project..

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      lol Improvements

      5 years ago

      Holy moley that gender difference! Also surprised there’s not a higher percentage of golfers using second hand older model drivers. But other than super interesting!

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      Dan w

      5 years ago

      Very informative survey. It all made sense except for the part about the head being more important than the shaft. No good player or respected fitter(which I’m both) would ever say that. The shaft profile, weight, flex, bend point, and length define the club. The shaft moves the head around. With the wrong shaft the head doesn’t even matter, all will preform poorly. Want proof, look at every tour players bags throughout the years or when they switch companies. The shaft type is always the same. It’s pretty common knowledge in the inner circles of the game. My new driver will go on my previous ones shaft.

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      Rod_CCCGOLFUSA

      5 years ago

      The Holy Trinity of driver fitting is Face Loft, Shaft Flex, and Length. After fitting hundreds of clients and fussing over COG, MOI, Swing Weight, Balance Point, Counterweight, etc., it’s clear that mid-handicap golfers are most happy when they can tee it up & Let-the-Big-Dog-Eat! In fitter terms, ball speed and launc angle rule the day. I love my FlightScope lunch monitor because it pinpoints the loft-flex-length combination that produces the most consistent results for my guys. Let’s face it, they’re not headed for the Tour, or even the practice range. Time is precious. My guy want to jump out of the car five minutes before the tee time, get to the tee, bash a screamer, & tie his shoe laces on the way to the approach shot. Yes, I fit college golf team kids & even a couple of pros who are aiming a 290-yard to a 10-yard circle in the fairway, and several fitting sessions are needed to dial in the nuances of spin rate, ball flight apex, etc. Most recreational golfers, however, could enjoy a better game at less expense with an independent fitter and the Holy Trinity.

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      Mine Perski

      5 years ago

      Regarding fitting, I’ve been fitted twice, once for a driver and once for irons. Wasn’t happy with either. With the driver, I gave it a year and a half and gave up on it. Either the (so called) fitting expert didn’t do a very good job, didn’t spend enough time with me, or my swing is not consistent enough (got fitted in November, promised delivery in time for a golf trip, didn’t come, so I didn’t hit it until May). With the irons, got fitted at a demo days, and again I was unhappy with the set. Struggled to hit them consistently, and my local club pro told me they didn’t fit me (the lie angle) and tried to bend them. Again, I think my swing is not consistent enough (a 14 handicap). I am starting to believe it’s easier to change your swing to fit the clubs, rather than fit clubs to my swing.

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      Jerry

      5 years ago

      Bought my current driver in 2017; GBB Epic. Fitted at local off-course pro shop and couldn’t be happier. Price was competitive; knowledgeable staff and chose it from Taylor Made, Ping, Titleist and Tour Edge. Also agree with the earlier comment of purchasing LOCALLY from either course or off-course pro shop. My opinion: the club/shaft is 10% of anyone’s game, it’s the golfer that’s 90% of what happens.

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      dcorun

      5 years ago

      I was fitted at my local off course pro shop. I went with the M6 D and UST/ Mamiya Proforce V2 5F3 shaft. I had a slight fade so, they tried the D type and I’m now hitting it dead straight or with a little draw. I tried several shafts and ended up with the V2 which had me hitting the best. Very happy with the fitting and would highly recommend you get fitted by a knowledgeable person who you trust.

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      Ray B

      5 years ago

      I think you may want to rank the “why” and not have such an exact spec. I think it is common sense that if you can hit more fairways and gain a few extra yards that your scores will drop. For me, I had to remove the left side of the fairway and my fitted driver from last year wasn’t doing that. I tested 3 different drivers and was fitted to fall into the last one. It has consistently kept left out of play, therefore increasing scores. It didn’t hurt that it is in the same range on length and it doesn’t sound like I am an extra in a band who job is to play the cowbell. (So I chose accuracy even though it had to be as long as my current driver and ultimately save me strokes.)

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      Adam

      5 years ago

      I bought a used Cobra LTD driver for $100 in 2017 from Globalgolf, after seeing the great review from MGS. As someone who likes to play with shorter than standard clubs, and needs to add headweight, I liked that the LTD allowed me to add weight (cotton balls) inside the clubhead, rather than having to use lead tape on the sole. I tested this at the range against my previous Cobra F6+, and tested it with both of those driver shafts, as well as a 3 wood shaft. I ultimately decided to pair the lower spinning F6+ shaft with the LTD head, and had it shortened to a playing length of 44 inches. I’m happy and don’t see myself getting anything new for a couple of years.

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      L J

      5 years ago

      In Australia most new big brand drivers retail for $700-$849 aud. The epic flash new retail is $819! Just a suggestion as to why there Is a percentage over $699 and perhaps some have included the fitting fee and shaft upgrade.
      I for sure choose distance as the most important factor in a fitting for a new driver. I hit the ball 210m 230y which isn’t too bad for a lady but not distance alone – it would be the longest with a good dispersion. Obviously wouldn’t pick the one that is offline 20meters!

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      Toehold57

      5 years ago

      I’m one of those who bought a cheap driver in December ‘18, $150 to be exact from Callaway Pre-Owned. 2017 Epic, 10.5, stock shaft.

      Why? Long story but I’m working my way back into golf after a two decade plus period. Playing with borrowed clubs puts a pressure on you to not take advantage of friends for too long. I’m playing with my father-in-law’s 30 year old irons.

      Oh yeah, I’m a cheap SOB as well ;)

      I was able to hit a few clubs at demo days so I didn’t buy totally blind. I mainly based my choice on the ramblings of the folks in the forums, I trusted what they had to say.

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      Jordan

      5 years ago

      I cannot stress this enough. Please buy from your local golf shops.

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      don

      5 years ago

      More than 35% had zero opportunity to get fitted because of how they purchased the driver. That’s huge as it means almost all the people who didn’t get fit simply couldn’t.

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      Dave V

      5 years ago

      I was “fitted” for a driver last year and bought the club/shaft that gave me the best results from the fitting. The fitting was complicated due to tweaks that had been made to my old driver (shortened, counter-balanced, vibration-tuned). When it came to actually playing the club, I struggled with it. Eventually, I had to re-tool my swing to make the club work and was getting decent results with it. However, the swing just didn’t feel natural to me.
      One of the guys I often play with bought a used club with about the same specs as mine but with a different shaft. He let me give it try and with that one swing, I realized that the shaft that I had been fitted with was completely wrong for me. Instead of feeling like I was swinging a piece of rope I felt like I was in total control of the club and could feel what the head was doing and where it was. The next day I went out and bought a new club with the same shaft. With the new club, I felt like it was working for my swing instead of tweaking my swing to work for the club. Since then I have moved to a different shaft, which is giving me even more control.
      So what I have concluded from this is that if I go into a fitting, I’m bringing my swing/tempo/grip/habits/attitude from my old driver into the fitting too. And as a result, I’m not necessarily getting the opportunity to really get comfortable with the new club. I need to live with it for a while to really understand subtle differences. Maybe I’m just a slow learner, but it’s hard to adjust muscle memory and tweak things that were previously working well.
      Also, I’m in the “shaft is more important” camp. With a high quality head, variations in my swing are going to have a greater influence on performance than the differences in head design. However, shafts can be hugely different from one to the next and totally change how the club reacts to your swing.

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      carl

      5 years ago

      the shafts on most drivers is not ones prefer; had been hit in other drivers and did not like results. most fitters want to put you into a high loft head and I prefer an adjustable one if dry conditions loft set at 8.5 or 9.5 ; if fairway thick or damp 10.5.

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      Mike Brincko

      5 years ago

      Just answering the price question, as I was one of the 6734 respondents to the original survey. I paid $149 for my HONMA TW 737 445cc 9*, purchased from PGA Superstore website, on a one day sale promotion. It was on a whim as I hated my RogueSZ, and put back into play my Tour Edge Exotics Tour Proto (2006) with a TourAD DJ-6s. Couldn’t find Florida off the tee with the SZ, as of the end of its reign I’m my bag, and the Exotics was more forgiving and just as long, as proven by TrackMan. The HONMA was purchased with their stock 50g Vizard Type-Z stiff shaft, just to try a lighter shaft. Took the TourAD out of the Exotics and had it spine aligned and installed into the HONMA by a PGA professional friend. This driver is low spinning, which I wanted, much more so than the SZ, and will NOT be coming out of my bag. I know it’s been said us amateurs need/should be hitting 460cc, but I like the smaller looks, even though it’s only 15cc smaller, looks like 100cc. And for me, I’m finding the center of the face more consistently which is a confidence booster, and this is the BEST deal/find EVER in my extensive history of golf purchases. #ALWAYSWATCHING

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      Alex Kalionzes

      5 years ago

      Every year I do the same thing: hit everything in almost every possible shaft I can and get some data. Then, the top performers go up against my “ancient” Callaway Razr-FIT Extreme. Every year the results are the same: nothing beats my driver by enough to justify the absurd prices of $500+. 5 yards doesn’t cut it. I’m not paying that for less than a half club gain.
      The driver that the Razr beat? My 2000 (give or take) Mizuno T-Zoid Titanium (still got it!).

      Long story short, I wonder if certain club sales are based on some “inflated” monitor numbers at big box stores? I see plenty of returns for certain brands (TM, Titleist, Honma, and strangely Ping come to mind), and others I hardly ever see one (no Epic Flash or Sub Zero and few Cobra). Could just be the “wanted the newest stuff and then didn’t like it” crew … or it could be some pumped up numbers (I never see other people bring their driver in to test against which is insane to me!).

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      GRK

      5 years ago

      No doubt in my mind numbers are inflated Bought Callaway Fusion off readings at a major box store and tried Taylormade 4 at a local shop about 3 weeks later. Same person tested me at both locations. Callaway distance was 30 yards longer than Taylormade- so I lost 30 yards in 3 weeks. Right. Total bs

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      Chris

      5 years ago

      I do fittings at Golf Galaxy and our launch monitors are password protected by the company. That way we cannot skew the numbers or influence one club over the other. We don’t do returns on new clubs but we do take them for trade in. The Rogue is by far the most traded in driver. Not sure why but that’s what I see.

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      RC

      5 years ago

      I was one of those that play a long (45.5”)custom shaft. I love the extra distance, and off the tee I hit the fairway more than I don’t, but I’m not always on the correct side of the fairway, and I miss some altogether. Maybe my misses are related to the longer shaft, but I like the way my club swings, and I like the extra distance. I’m one of those golfers that wants my driver to go as far as possible, and I prefer to work on dialing in irons and trying to limit putts to make up for any accuracy issues caused by my driver. I mostly shoot low 80’s, and venture into high 70’s on rare occasions. My point is that the longer shaft gives me more enjoyment – for some of us, that’s good enough.

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      Will

      5 years ago

      Agree with what Lou wrote about hitting a prospective driver outside… Bought a Cobra F9 head & shafted it with a Fujikura Pro 60 – after moving weight forward, resulted in a great feeling, accurate & distance providing driver…

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      SV677

      5 years ago

      First, relating to the different OEMs tried/demoed before buying. One reason for not trying a number of these brands might be availability. The farther you get from the big box stores the less you have available to try.
      Second, my experience with custom fitting at a nationally known fitter was less than satisfactory. It was recommended I purchase a Ping driver with $200 upgrade shaft. With the fitting fee we are talking roughly $800. The recommended driver had barely more ball speed, but a better smash factor. The problem was (excluding cost) that carry, total distance and dispersion were all better with my Cobra Amp Cell (6 yrs. old). Since then I have also tried Callaway ($150 upgrade shaft) and Cobra F9 and none can beat my old Amp Cell. The upshot is that new, more expensive drivers are no better than my 7 year old one.

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      Matt

      5 years ago

      I got “fitted” at Golf Town – And by “fitted” i mean they put me in a hitting bay with an epic flash sub zero (admittedly because i played the original epic and the rogue, both sub zero, so I wanted to stick with the beast i knew), with some tp5x’s, the employee left me to my devices, reading my own numbers off a grainy screen, without any access to the computer for analysis of the data.

      They only had one shaft in X-flex for me to try, negating any benefit from Callaway’s shaft offerings.

      I don’t have any problems getting the ball out there a long ways, but having only tried one shaft, it definitely left some doubt in my mind that i made the right purchase.

      My plan is to go and get PROPERLY fit for a shaft, utilizing the same head. If i find something with better dispersion, or an optimal length solution i’ll splurge again. What i won’t do is get “fit” at a Golf Town for anything else.

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      Hat

      5 years ago

      I laughed at the 3rd gender option. Wokeness from data people lol

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      Jeremy

      5 years ago

      I’d say club and shaft matter equally. I’ve found that the more the pear-shaped design, the less I can center the blasted thing. Some of the older Callaways (Diablo) and TM’s (M2,M4,M6) line up better for me. But honestly, I’ve been switching shafts around also and have seen night and day differences in performance. I just replaced my 3w 2KNV shaft with a GD Tour AD MT (yellow highlighter) and it was instantly noticeable, by both ball flight AND distance. Best yet, the group will praise the shot while in the back of my mind I know I hoselled it a bit or left it on the toe, but you’d never tell from the ball or flight. The NV would fade off somehow if struck off-center. BIG difference.

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      Lou

      5 years ago

      I was originally fitted for an XXIO X driver indoors at a PGA Super Store. Unfortunately, the bays they had for fitting all had very short (under 2”) tees so the mere look of the ball sitting so low on the tee was unnerving. How do you hit up on a ball that looks like it is barely off the mat? The results were fairly disappointing. I also tried the obligatory CALLAWAY and Taylor Made and the results were no better for them, either. From a Country Club I was able to get the name of the Srixon/XXIO Rep and called him. He agreed to let me demo his entire line of Cleveland, Srixon and XXIO drivers OUTDOORS! That was the key! Unless you hit a ball outdoors, off a tee and see real time results, I don’t think you can truly know what the ball actually does, or sounds like. This convinced me, without question, to try clubs outdoors before buying. This fact will also benefit your own club pro who we really should be buying more from, anyway.

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      Greg

      5 years ago

      Agree 100%. Had the same problem trying to hit a driver indoors with a short tee that was not adjustable. If you cannot adjust a tee to YOUR preferred height, it is useless. Based on my outdoor fitting with one of the top fitters, I will never fit indoors again. I did fit irons with them outdoors and it is so much better to be able to see the real ball flight, interaction with turf. And when I do a driver fitting again, it too will be outdoors.

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      Benny

      5 years ago

      You guys add to my point. That getting fitted in these stores is bias and most of the time not a better fitting you can do with your own eyes, feel and measure.
      Weather its the monitor, low tee, over stocked shafts they need to move or just the 23yr old who is super hungover and would rather slit his wrists than watch a dude hit 100 balls into a screen yapping about how he used to hit 350 and now can barely get 220.
      This whole idea of “properly fitted” is just a way to get us to buy. We can all find a comfortable driver with the right look, head shape, loft and launch angle with an adequate shaft for $150 and be just as good if not better.
      Simply put guys if you find one that works well no matter how you found it, just keep it and play it.

      Julian

      5 years ago

      I have come to believe that all the talk over equipment only matters to people with 90 mph and over. Last year I spent many hrs hitting just about every make of club. I though I might find the yardage I lost after having both rotator cuffs repaired and both knees replaced. The difference between all the clubs were always in the single digits. I still bought a new driver, only because I liked the looks, the same way I have bought a new car. Regarding fitting, I lost all faith in custom fitting when one day I saw a friend doing the fitting. I would not let him caddy, nether mind fit me. Do any of these people have formal training.

      t let this man caddy

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      Spitfisher

      5 years ago

      Excellent report, Love it.

      Whats interesting is it kind of dispels the belly aching of some people that comment on this and other sites…” That brand X makes too many models of driver in given year, That brand X costs way to much, I’ll by last years model for 1/4 of the price….and so on.

      My take away is a fair number of people do buy a new driver every year or 2. A fair number of people do pay full price, a fair number of people do spend the time to get fitted, a fair number utilize technology for their fitting.

      One interesting stat is demo days. I can understand why people don’t get fitted there. I would suggest to ANY DEALER worth their salt, eliminate “demo” days from their vocabulary and marketing. if you want a multi vendor fitting day, great! But Charge admission, donate the cost to 1st tee or take it off the purchase price or serve food…. Demo days are attended by most that have no interest in purchasing, but when given the opportunity to hit someone else’s 500 dollar driver with free golf balls…They’re all ears, they tie up reps, they tie up hitting bays and they generally don’t have the money or understanding to buy new.

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      Wilson Player

      5 years ago

      I look at DEMO days a little differently. In Sacramento we have a huge, well run, Demo days at a massive outdoor range. It attracts all the players in equipment, grips, shafts, gloves, balls, and resorts. Yes it is over crowded and full of golfers not interested in purchasing/getting fitted for new drivers. It also has thousands of people interested in golf, getting a chance to try the game and expand the game.
      At this event you can spend the day hitting every manufacturer side by side, outside on monitors and see for yourself how they compare. You can also sign up for a private fitting on the back of range to find the right club for your swing.
      I was able to do a private fitting as well as get the Cobra rep next to me loan us a new F9 to compare my top two head to head. I was able to come back the next day, give it another try (with a rested back) and walked away with my new driver.
      Not all demo days are this well run, but they are a great chance to demo several clubs in a single day, outside and on the monitor.
      I would also say that the Factory reps know their gear better than other shops. They know what shafts work well with what heads. All based on experience and not just spec sheets.
      If nothing else, DEMO days is a solid way to narrow your choices and focus your time at a future fitting.

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      Bill

      5 years ago

      Have been fit twice for a driver. Once by a Tom Wishon fitter and once by Club Champion.
      Both were good experiences on many levels.
      I have another fitting this upcoming weekend for personal reasons.. I’ve had back issues the last 5 years and was fit during an adapted swing to protect my back. A chiropractor has allowed my back to go back to a rotational swing and I’m pretty sure I’ve gained a few mph back but want to verify it. Also, while my 2016 purchase of the TM M2 was ok, I don’t like the off the shelf Fuji shaft. No feel of the head throughout the swing, hence no feel for a repeatable swing.
      I found an Oban shaft that gave me what I was looking for but didn’t trust that the most expensive head and shaft combo was over $1000 that the fitter suggested..
      It’s a whole separate conversation regarding having to pay for a whole club instead of the head (549) plus new shaft AND NOT having the fitting cost deducted.. it’s gouging, and truly the wrong approach as golf companies return to elite only marketing primarily as the game declines. Not all do it but was a lost sale concerning me.

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      HDTVMAN

      5 years ago

      Great Survey! My only issue is with length…44% 44.5″-45″. Almost every driver in big box stores is 45.5″ (Ping 45.75″-ex Tour Shaft 45.25″). Did most of these people cut down their drivers? A 1″ cut means -6 swing weights. When ordered shorter the factory adjusts the weight, when cut at the store no weight is added. If you’re fitting at a big box store, ask the fitter for his qualifications…most have NONE! They watched an on-line video. Also ask to see the +/- set-up of their launch monitor. I found monitors from one store “juiced” 20%…guess you would hit it farther, huh? Just remember, big box store “fitters” (salesmen) are pressured by management to sell everyone that looks at a new club, whether you need it or not.

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      adam

      5 years ago

      just a quick rant and a bit of a tangent but i’d like to this conversation carried out

      There should be stronger information made aviallable to the consumer on limitations of the monitors used in certain environments. I ‘m all for being data driven but some companies, in an effor to ride the data wave, have instead of using the tool best suited for the job opt for the easier option of using what they gather is a more widely known industry std. In doing so they are in my opinion practically lying to consumers and simply not providing the service the claim to be. Example here would be ” club champion” using radar based trackman in thier tiny indoor bays. These units do not work well in this enviromnet. I have tested this personally. The results are ridiculous. If you were fit with this data odds are you wasted your money.

      If poeple could be shown just how off things like spin axis and spin rate are in these fittings maybe we could turn the tide and get these companies to shift thier strategies.

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      spitfisher

      5 years ago

      As a 25+ year fitter I often see people after a session with Champion come out with shafts that cost $100-200 more and some rare cases of 3-$400 shaft upgrades…..1 such gentleman with a 8 handicap I swapped out his Oban shaft for the stock Tensei blue with his new driver and he was hitting as good or better. I can assure you its not the launch monitors data that is determine that, its profit margin.

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      David Lewis

      5 years ago

      I had Titleist 917d2 that never worked for me. Not much distance or control and too much spin. I narrowed down to new Titleist TS2 with MRC shaft and, drum roll, Srixon 585 with Hzardus Red stiff. More consistency for me with Srixon. No adjustability but my swing too inconsistent to benefit from it. Played by Shane Lowry in Open Championship but with Tensei shaft.?

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      William Bennett

      5 years ago

      Bombtech driver senior flex. Hitting it further, straighter, and getting fairly good yardage for 75 years old.

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      Bigbob48

      5 years ago

      i was recently fitted at Club Champion. It was a retirement present to myself. I demoed Callaway,Cobra,Mizuno,Titleist,and Taylor Made. The Ping 410 Plus performed the best in distance and consistency With the new driver head and custom shaft plus new grip it was over 700. In reality it was a little high but the performance is great. I also purchased new irons 3 wood and hybrid with putter all pings. You only retire once

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      Stephen

      5 years ago

      Good for you Big Bob! I hope you enjoy them and make a lot of great memories with them. That’s an awesome treat to yourself. Enjoy retirement.

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      Dan

      5 years ago

      I went to a PING demo day last year and was fit (by my club pro, not the PING rep) into the G400 with the shorter Tour 65 S shaft. Because of the time of year (November), PING was gearing up for what would be the G410 release, and they dropped $100 off the prices on the 400’s (except the Max). So I got a brand-new custom-fit driver (with what’s normally an upcharge shaft option) for less than $300.

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      Regis

      5 years ago

      I’ve been fit many times. By good fitters. But it still takes me a season to learn if a club is a good fit. My swing is changing every round, perhaps minimally but it’s never the same every round. Getting fit for a driver is like getting fit for shoes. Make sure you wear your regular socks. Most people have a favorite pair of shoes they’ll never throw out. Many good players are still gaming 20 year old
      Drivers and Putters. Not an accident

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      Wilson Player

      5 years ago

      Can you comment on the last slide.
      What is the satisfaction rate for those Fitted and Not fitted for their driver?

      It would be interesting to see that info.

      I have self fitted before, and generally been fine with my choice.
      My latest was professionally fit and is awesome.

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      Deacon

      5 years ago

      I am one of those golfers who prefer to self fit. I own several driver shafts and a home hitting cage and launch monitor. When I buy a new driver I spend several hours shaft fitting at home and keep extensive notes on the fitting results. I have found that custom fitters often rush you from shaft to shaft. It is therefore next to impossible to determine if your results are valid. If you elect to buy the shaft from them there is often a significant up charge.

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      Todd Bonsang

      5 years ago

      I have recently been using a Callaway XR 16 and the last year or so I’ve got just about everything. And none of them even came close to me thinking that THIS is it. That XR is a monster, still is. But I did finally decide that putting a new driver in my bag was due. I went with the Ping G 400 Max. I went against my usual 44 1/2 length and left it standard. All I can say is that this driver hits wonderful! I still have my XR but for as long as I can remember I always fade the ball. The XR did the best for me at helping me with my fade. But the Ping is even better and longer. What a great driver, very happy and I tried the 410 but it wasn’t even a little bit better than the max. So I saved money and am now a happy golfer.

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      Jim Haynes

      5 years ago

      I purchased the R15 off of TaylorMades preowned site(very much missed BTW) and got fitted prior to that purchase about 4 years ago, wow how time flies. I love the feel of my driver and not sure why I’d go to anything different? I’m already one of the longer hitters of our group and use a variety of clubs off the tee anyway due to course design and my own course management.

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      Nihonsei

      5 years ago

      I received a Taylormade Preowned email saying that they moved to Global Golf. Just replaced my R15 Black Tour with an M3 440. R15 stated very good and was actually new in plastic for $210 M3 440 stated very good and had no wear marks on body or face even. I’m impressed with GG and will use there U-Try for my next irons and driver. Check’em out! I used a promo and got the last Recoil ES 450 setup for $192.50 with promo!!!

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      daviddvm

      5 years ago

      I bought my last several drivers off fitting specs from years ago (15 to be exact).
      So as my golf education continues with information from MyGolfSpy I will demo and be fit for my next driver before a purchase is made.
      Thanks for the great article Tony.

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      David Gardner

      5 years ago

      I really like my Ben Hogan driver. At the time I brought it they did not have a senior shift,soooooo I had to buy one and then it came to life.. Not as long as my M2 BUT when you play 2 round and miss two fairway I am sold. When I say it’s not as long we are only talking 2 or 3 yards.

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      Walt Blore

      5 years ago

      I purshased a Ping 400 at the end of the year and paid $225 for it at Roger Dunn’s. Got it when the 410 came out Being a retired clubmaker, I took it home and put a Claymore shaft in. It’s 45 1/2 in. and weighs 60 gm. At the age of 84, on good days my drives are usually around 220 – 225. Only one on sale was 9* and by adjusting the hosel it seems to be about 9.5-6. I’m battling “Arthur” in my hands I have to live with what I get . I’m very happy with the club

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