2019 MOST WANTED PLAYERS DISTANCE IRON
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2019 MOST WANTED PLAYERS DISTANCE IRON
Mizuno JPX 919 Forged
Honma TW747P
TaylorMade P790
Most Wanted Players Distance Iron
Mizuno JPX 919 Forged
  • 2019 Most Wanted Players Distance Iron
  • Ranked among the top 5 for Radial Distance, Yards from Center and Shot Area across all three clubs
  • Exceptional ball speed and carry consistency
  • Rated highly among the test group for looks, feel and alignment
  • Not among the leaders for ball speed and distance

112.20 mph

166.78 yards

432.10 yds²

Best For Distance
Honma TW747P
  • Best Players Distance Iron for raw Distance in 2019
  • The ball speed and distance leader
  • Rated highly for feel by the test group
  • Produced inconsistent results for dispersion and forgiveness

114.07 mph

172.74 yards

598.72 yds²

Most Forgiving
TaylorMade P790
  • 2019 Best Players Distance Iron for Forgiveness
  • Above and beyond the most forgiving in the mid and short irons
  • Exceptional ball speed and carry consistency throughout the set
  • Rated highly by the test group for looks
  • Low rated for feel

113.80 mph

171.90 yards

415.35 yds²

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OUR JOB IS YOUR GAME

The golf equipment manufacturers continue to push the limits of technology (and the USGA equipment rules for that matter), promising more distance, greater forgiveness, and sometimes even lower scores. For that to be true, the tools they provide must allow us to hit the ball higher, longer, and straighter.

In the past, few have delivered the total package in a single set of irons. If you needed forgiveness and a bit more distance, you went game improvement. If you wanted precision and workability, you went with players cavitybacks. Some of you still choose blades.

Within the last few years, however, a new trend in golf equipment has taken hold – the players distance iron. With each manufacturer touting some flavor of revolutionary technology, we’re still being promised a few more yards and greater forgiveness, but now we can get it in a smaller package with a bit more workability.

This year we put 14 of the top Players Distance irons to the test. If you’re in the market for new irons in 2019, this test is for you.

Most Wanted: Mizuno JPX 919 Forged

Performance Grades

Below is a breakdown of performance grades by iron length.  The percentages displayed for each iron represent the frequency at which each was among the best performing irons for each tester across the test pool. For more information about how we arrive at these results, see our How We Test page.

Iron Buying Considerations

Performance should be your primary concern when buying new irons, but there are some additional things you may want to think about before you make your purchasing decision.

SET MAKE-UP

You’ll likely hit iron shots on the majority of holes you play, so it’s essential to pay attention to set make-up. As with most things in the golf equipment industry, there is no universal standard for set composition. That’s not a bad thing as it allows for almost endless combinations and the ability to mix and match between models when appropriate. In the Players Distance category, 4-irons are practically ubiquitous, but not every set offers a gap wedge. It’s important is that you make sure your iron set can fill every spot in the bag you need it to fill, and that you’re not forced to buy more clubs than you want or need.

SHAFT SELECTION

The number of shaft options offered for irons is growing. It can be challenging to navigate the different models, weights, and flexes to find the shaft that’s right for you. The answer to the best performing shaft question stretches well beyond graphite vs. steel.

We always recommend taking the time to go through a professional fitting, but if you don’t have the resources, the Mizuno Shaft Optimizer isn’t a bad place to start. This advanced technology utilizes gyroscopes and strain gauges to measure things like club speed, tempo, and how much the shaft is flexing at impact. It then recommends a list of shafts for your swing. It even makes a lie angle recommendation.

DISTANCE VS. FORGIVENESS VS. WORKABILITY

In a perfect world, we would get all three in one iron that everyone could play. Unfortunately, distance, forgiveness, and workability are like gauges – when you add to one, you take from another. Evaluate your game and decide what you need to maximize performance. If you’re looking to maximize distance, the Honma TW747P and the PING i500 are excellent options. It’s important to note that loft and distance are correlated, and in most cases, more distance comes with stronger lofts and diminished ability to hold greens. If you’re looking for forgiveness – the TaylorMade P790 impressed us with its consistency across several key metrics. Other top picks for forgiveness are the Mizuno JPX919 Forged and the PXG 0311P GEN2.

COST

A set of irons is likely going to be the most expensive investment for your golf bag. In the Players Distance category, the majority of irons tested will set you back more than $1000. While the top performing irons in our test are in that range, the Sub70 699 is a bargain. Notwithstanding any exotic shaft upgrades, you’re looking at $450 for a 7-club set.

PRODUCT SPOTLIGHT - WILSON C300 FORGED

PRODUCT SPOTLIGHT - WILSON C300 FORGED

Delivering outstanding performance in both the long and short irons, the Wilson Staff C300 Forged Irons are not to be overlooked in your next iron fitting. Wilson designed the C300 with a technology it calls Power Holes. As with other signature technology in the category, the holes are designed to increase the flexing of the clubface at impact. While the C300 Forged didn't produce the longest distances in our test, they were shown to be both accurate and forgiving.

If you're looking for precision and forgiveness with more of a player-preferred look, the Wilson's C300 Forged should be in your consideration set.

FIELD NOTES

During each test, we look for trends that provide us insight into where the market as a whole is moving, as well as what noteworthy changes manufacturers have made to improve year-over-year performance. We also solicit feedback from our testers. We want to understand what they liked, what they didn’t like, and why. We want to reemphasize that, while we do collect and share noteworthy portions of this feedback, it does not factor in our rankings.

Trends and Tweaks

  • The overarching theme of Players Distance Irons is that they feature some technology in the head to help boost ball speeds while retaining something akin to a player preferred profile. Many leverage hollow-body construction. Others leverage multi-material construction to pull weight from where it isn’t needed and add it where it is. The Players Distance category isn’t for those looking for the buttery feel of single piece forgings.
  • A continuing trend from last year’s 2018 Most Wanted Players Distance Iron Test is the use of hollow-body (PING i500, Miura IC-601) or filled-body (PXG 0311 GEN2 and TaylorMade P790) construction. These designs include some variety of thinner face designed to increase face flexure and generate more ball speed.
  • The majority of Players Distance irons offer some form of multi-material construction. In addition to steel, Tungsten is common. PXG (COR2) and TaylorMade (SpeedFoam) use polymers and other proprietary materials to reinforce the face, allowing for thinner designs.
  • While there’s as much or more technology packed into Players Distance irons as there is in the Game Improvement category, one of the distinguishing features of the category is is often a more compact, player preferred profile. Shorter blade lengths and thinner soles in irons like the Callaway Apex are easier on the eyes, and allow the golfer to maintain some degree of workability with more forgiveness than you find in a Players Cavityback.
PRODUCT SPOTLIGHT - Cobra KING Forged Tec Black

PRODUCT SPOTLIGHT - Cobra KING Forged Tec Black

A strong performer across the board, the Cobra KING Forged Tec produced superior accuracy and forgiveness in the long irons. Cobra's latest Players Distance offering utilizes a super thin Forged 4140 Chromolly Steel Face designed to increase ball speeds on off center hits. Narrow standard deviations of ball speed and carry suggest that the technology does exactly what it's designed to do.  One of the added bonuses with the Forged Tec Black (and all other Cobra clubs) is that Arccos shot tracking is built-in.

Make sure to include the Cobra KING Forged Tec Black on your list when getting fitted.

Notes from the Testing Pool

The following section details subjective feedback from our pool of 20 testers. While it is meant to highlight some of the feedback obtained during the test, it’s important to note that none of it is directly related to the actual performance of the club, and as such, does not factor in the overall rankings.

  • Among the top rated irons for feel in this year’s players distance iron test were the Mizuno JPX 919 Forged; and a surprising newcomer, the Sub70 699. The 919s feature a fully forged 1025 carbon steel head and a CNC milled face to offer the feel you’d expect from a Mizuno iron. The Sub70 699 is a direct-to-consumer iron with a design that’s not entirely dissimilar from the PING’s i500. Other notables receiving high scores for feel were the PXG 0311P and Titleist AP3.
  • Slower swing speed testers tended to favor clubs that helped the ball get up in the air. The Wilson Staff C300 Forged Irons, and our Most Wanted Winner – the Mizuno JPX 919 Forged – were among the top-rated by slower swing speed golfers.
  • The Titleist AP3 was the highest rated club in all three subjective categories; looks, feel, and alignment. Faster swinging and lower handicap golfers in the test group cited this iron’s player preferred compact profile and thin top line.
  • On the opposite end, testers commented that the sound of the Miura IC-601 was unpleasant at impact. It’s profile, most notably, the offset wasn’t a favorite of the testing pool. Despite the feedback, the Miura IC-601 finished in the top-10 overall.

2019 Most Wanted Players Distance Irons Data

To filter and compare by club, use the drop-down list and checkboxes to select the only the irons you wish to compare.

It is important to note that while comparing the performance averages of 20 golfers with varying swing speeds and characteristics is interesting and sometimes useful, it doesn’t tell the complete performance story.  For this reason, we look at performance on a per-golfer basis. The overall rankings (list near the top of this story) reflected the rate at which a club finished in the Top Performing Group for each tester.

EXPERT TIP - SHAFT MATERIAL

Although steel shafts dominate the testing pool, graphite shafts are becoming more suitable for higher swing speed players. The perception is steel shafts are for stronger, faster swinging players. Whereas, graphite shafts are not. Be open minded towards the shaft material in your next set of irons. The appropriate shaft material can lead to tighter dispersion and tighter launch conditions, and graphite shafts might just be the ticket to those attributes.

How We Test

Our Mission is to help you find the best players distance irons for your game.

We are 100% independent and unbiased, and we always put the #ConsumerFirst.

About Our Testers

Our pool of testers consists of 20 golfers with handicaps ranging from plus to the mid-teens. As a group, they span a broad range of swing characteristics (head speed, attack angle, etc.).

Over the course of several sessions, each golfer is required to hit 10-12 "good" shots with each club. Club order is randomized on a per tester basis.

Limiting Variables and Gathering Data Reliably

To minimize variables, all testers hit Bridgestone B330 RX Golf balls.

Both club and head data are captured using Foresight GCQuad launch monitors.

Crunching the Numbers

Before determining our rankings, we identify and remove outliers using a proprietary detection methodology.

To arrive at our final results, we calculate the averages of key metrics (ball speed, distance, dispersion, etc.), while also considering the standard deviation and the statistical reliability of those values.

For more detailed information on our test process, visit our How We Test Page.

PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS

2019 Most Wanted Players Distance Iron Specs

ClubPW LoftPW Length7 Iron Loft7 Iron Length5 Iron Loft5 Iron Length
Callaway Apex

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43°35.375"30.25°36.75"23°37.75"
Callaway Rogue Pro

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44.25°35.5"30.75°36.875"23.5°37.875"
Cobra KING Forged Tec Black

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44.75°35.75"30.5°37"22.5°38"
Cobra KING Forged Tec ONE

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45°37"29.75°37"23.5°37"
Honma TW747P

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44°35.625"28.5°37.25"21.25°38.25"
Miura IC-601

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44.5°35.625"30.25°36.75"25.25°37.75"
Mizuno JPX 919 Forged

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45.5°35.5"31.25°37.125"25°38"
Mizuno JPX 919 Hot Metal Pro

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44.5°35.5"29.75°37.125"22.75°38.25"
PING i500

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44.25°35.5"29.75°37"23.5°38.25"
PXG 0311 P Gen 2

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45°35.5"30.5°36.875"23.75°38"
Sub70 699

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44.25°35.5"29.75°36.875"21.5°37.875"
TaylorMade P790

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44.25°35.5"30°36.75"23.75°37.875"
Titleist AP3

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42.5°35.625"31.25°36.75"25.25°37.875"
Wilson Staff C300 Forged

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43.5°35.375"32.5°37.125"26.25°37.875"

* denotes measured value vs. manufacturer’s stated spec.

FAQ

BUYING NEW IRONS

Q: How often should I buy new irons?

A: While on rare occasions there are quantifiable year-over-year breakthroughs, typically it takes 3-5 years for manufacturers to make any significant performance gains. With the USGA further tightening restrictions on manufacturers, it’s possible, even likely, that it will take longer still moving forward. Our recommendation is to buy new irons only when they appreciably outperform what is already in your bag. Of course, if you want new irons because you want new irons, that’s fine too.

Q: How do I determine the right category of irons for me?

A: The four categories of irons we test are: players (cavitybacks), players distance, game improvement, and super game improvement. While there is some overlap between categories, your search should begin with an honest assessment of your skill level (handicap), as well as what you need in your game. If your handicap is above 10 and ball-striking is not a legitimate strength, consider game improvement or super game improvement. For more skilled players who hit the ball more consistently, a set of players irons or players distance irons may benefit your game the most. For those on the bubble, especially for those seeking a few more yards, the Players Distance category could be ideal.

Q: Does the shaft matter?

A: Absolutely. While changes to spin and launch differences are rarely massive, shaft changes frequently lead to improved accuracy, tighter dispersion, and greater overall consistency.

Q: What should I look for when testing irons?

A: While golfers have been conditioned to consider distance to the exclusion of nearly everything else, even within the Players Distance category, we recommended looking at the little numbers and looking for small circles. When comparing metrics like distance and ball speed, be sure to look at your standard deviations (the small numbers usually found under the big ones on the data screen). Smaller numbers mean better consistency, which will usually mean more than an extra yard or two on the golf course. Similarly, look for tighter dispersion ellipses (small circles). We can’t overstate the importance of consistency with irons.

Bucking the Loft-Jacking Trend?

Every year, golf companies promise more yards, and sometimes they deliver. But at what cost? One of the easiest (and frequently employed) methods to increase distance is to decrease loft; essentially turning yesterday's 6-iron into today's 7-iron. While we all understand that accuracy and consistency are the most essential elements of competent iron play, almost inexplicably, distance is still what moves the needle in the iron category.

Players irons typically buck the trend. While it's perhaps not entirely accurate to say manufacturers use traditional lofts, irons within the category are among the weakest lofted (relative to the number stamped on the sole) on the market. While distance is always important to some degree, golfers of elite skill benefit from higher spinning shots that offer the stopping power necessary to attack pins on the small shelves. That being said, consistency always matter.  You won't likely hit players irons as far as a game-improvement iron; but if you have the skill to flight your irons to whatever degree the shot calls for, the category is likely right for you.

MOST WANTED

Q: How are the irons in the test fit to each golfer?

A: We use a fitting process that we call fit from stock. Irons are fitted to each tester using the stock, no up-charge options from each manufacturer. We test one short iron, one mid-iron, and one long iron from each set. While there are no irons in our testing that feature adjustability, we fit to flex for each tester in the pool. Occasionally manufacturers will send multiple sets with different stock shafts that we can utilize to improve launch conditions.

Q: How do you determine in which category to test a given set of irons?

A: To ensure that we’re testing irons as alike as designers allow for, in addition to the design of the head itself (profile, sole width, etc.), we sort by length and loft. Our goal is to keep differences as minimal as possible within any test cohort. When an iron reasonably fits in more than one category, we defer to the manufacturer’s category choice.

Q: How is the Most Wanted Game Improvement Iron Determined

A: To determine our rankings, we collect key performance metrics with Foresight GCQuad Launch Monitors. After eliminating outliers, we use a utilize a proprietary methodology to calculate Strokes Gained values for each combination of tester and golf club. Next, we calculate confidence intervals and determine the statistical reliability of our Strokes Gained values. The iron that is reliably better for the highest percentage of testers is the Most Wanted.  For more detailed information on our test process, visit our How We Test Page.

Q: How is the “Longest” Iron determined?

A: The process to determine the Longest Players Distance Iron is similar to how we arrive at our overall rankings. For distance, our critical metric is Total Yards. We identify the iron that is most reliably among the longest at middle and long iron lengths for the highest percentage of our testing pool.

Q: How is the “Most Forgiving” Iron determined?

A: To determine the Most Forgiving Game Improvement Iron, we focus on a narrower set of metrics that includes: Shot Area (dispersion, measured in yards2), and the standard deviations of several key metrics: ball speed, carry yards, pin proximity, and strokes gained.

Q: You discuss subjective feedback for things like looks, sound, and feel. How much do those ratings factor into your rankings?

A: ZERO. Our rankings are based purely on launch monitor data and quantifiable performance metrics.

 

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      John Smith

      4 years ago

      Too many “in the weeds” comments. It is like listening to IT geeks argue about the speed of their server. This is the greatest body of unbiased research available to any potential consumer. You can argue about “rounding errors” on lofts, but you are in a small population that think numbers alone drive the discussion and subjective measures such as feel, looks ( ie top line width) have no impact.. This game has always been part science, part FEEL./confidence. If you like the way a club looks and feels, and it delivers rational distance and decent angle and dispersion numbers, you will max your potential. This review INCLUDES subjective measures and that adds value. Otherwise, put them all on IRON BYRON and and pick the longest. This review is very helpful to “narrow the field, point you to a head that may fit the profile you are looking for and focus a fitting where shaft selections will make a huge difference in specific results. I think this survey is a super starting point and provides significant value for the consumer. This is ALWAYS step one in the club selection process for me.

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      Aaron

      4 years ago

      Ok after reading through this and the players iron categories, I’m confused. The players iron category had significantly higher ball speeds than this “distance” category. Is the difference in tester’s responsible? Was there any data to show that this distance category is statistically different than the other players category, apart from jacked lofts?

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      Ryan

      5 years ago

      Just read the reviews and have been looking at the Sub 70 699 irons, has anyone here put them to the test on the course/have any other feedback about them?

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      Steve

      4 years ago

      I only have 5 rounds on them but they are so easy to hit it is amazing. Got the 5 – PW and a GW all with the new Aldila NV graphite iron shafts. They look great at address = not too large and not to small. Worked directly with Jason on getting the right shaft based on what I had previously and some data from a couple of test days with Mizuno and Taylormade at my local range. The 699’s compare very favorable to both the M and TM irons. Plus you cannot beat the price and service from SUB 70.

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      Dan W

      5 years ago

      I sell and fit all these clubs for a living. I’ve hit everything and get tons of feedback from customers. The test doesn’t factor in feel, sound, and looks, all very important for a “ player” in this catagory. At work the clear winners are p790/apex/ and jpx pro. Iplay the rogue pro mainly because the offset matches the apex pro head(very low like a blade) those and the p790 are the longest low offset heads made. Players distance clubs need low offset or no low handicapped will play it. All the pros play these in long irons which have the most offset of any irons in a set, so it has to be low.. for a + 2 handicap like me, the accuracy doesn’t matter because all of them beat a forged blade or forged cb any way. It’s ball speed and low offset. I’m not alone with this one.

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      TheBrad

      5 years ago

      Did you seriously just post all of that to brag on your +2?

      My hunch is yes…You did.

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      Rappers

      4 years ago

      A bit harsh….if I played off +2 I would brag about it as well.

      Rappers

      4 years ago

      Subjective matters like feel, looks, sound, etc, cannot be measured with any accuracy. Anyway the average club golfer plays off 14/15 so they need irons which have forgiveness for off-centre hits, good launch and help with distance. These golfers might appreciate the look of a blade type iron but they can’t hit them with any consistency.

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      Steve

      5 years ago

      I love the performance chart. Please keep using this going forward.

      Reply

      AZstu324

      5 years ago

      Hey Tony, as always, fantastic review. Just a curious question for you. Was the Lynx Prowler VT given any consideration in this test? I ask because I’m about to embark on the MGS consumer test for the VT along with 3 others and while we’re currently in the “hurry up and wait” stage, and waiting for the clubs to be built and shipped, we’re all just trying to dig up as much info as we can in a world that currently has little to no info to offer.. at the moment anyway. GS Barbajo’s review and personal post is really what’s keeping me from the straight jacket until the clubs show up.

      Even prior to being chosen as a test candidate for the VT, this is a catagory that has slowly started to creep into my subconcience lately. I game a player’s CB style iron. Thin topline, shorter heel to toe profile, 1020 forged, etc, etc. I just seem to be at a plateau with my game (mid to low 80’s).. which shows I’m not completely unworthy to play this style of club, but with limited time and resources, will I really be able to improve without some sort of helping hand as far as iquipment is concerned? Will a distance player’s club be a better fit for my game and potentially just help me break that plateau without the feeling of going completely backward in club style? These are question that I hope to answer within the testing process.

      Thx again Tony!

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      Jimmy T

      5 years ago

      Thanks so much for all your great unbiased reviews. There is nothing else as comprehensive as your testing.

      In general, it seems like a conclusion is usually that game improvement irons out-perform more blade-like irons. But I wonder if the stronger lofts and longer distance seems to affect the strokes-gained metric. Have you guys ever tested game improvement irons vs blade irons by instead choosing the length of shot rather than compare 7 iron vs 7 iron? For example, if I have a shot from 150 yards, i might use an 8 iron blade or use a 9 iron if its a game-improvement stronger lofted iron. I dont really care which number is on the club, I just want whatever that club is to be consistent from that 150 yard distance. If the 8 iron blade outperforms the 9 iron improvement iron in regards to hitting a distance, that would be interesting and something I would be curious about. Have you guys ever done any testing like that with “better players” who claim to enjoy blades more? Thanks!

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      Gio

      5 years ago

      In regards to a full set, long-short irons, which would be the overall top ranked for consistency and accuracy.

      Reply

      Peter Jackson

      5 years ago

      The results for the Wilson C300 Forged irons are really quite impressive. The overall dispersion, shot area for all irons is the best, just ahead of the Mizuno JPX 919 forged.

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      Rodney White

      5 years ago

      Why no Srixon irons?

      Reply

      Tony Covey

      5 years ago

      Srixon does not currently have an offering in this category.

      Reply

      Nick Aquilino

      5 years ago

      In my defense it was not clear that there were different categories. Apparently others thought the same thing. I guess we
      should have spent more time reading the entire article instead of just looking at the results.

      Chuko

      5 years ago

      Great article and great way of submitting the info so people understand what’s what. I’m a 6 handicap and I play the Cobra Forged TEC Black. Love ’em. Originally got fit bit a rookie fitter and got a very stiff, almost unplayable shaft for me (True Temper Dynamic Gold Tour Issue – X). Got re-fitted at TrueSpec in Doral and switched to KBS C-Taper Parallel S (shout out to Gus, great guy). Absolutely love em. Pretty forgiving on both long and short irons, and the feel is amazing on flushed shots. They also look really sharp so that part is definitely a plus. Would recommend 100%.

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      Funkaholic

      5 years ago

      Do yourselves a favor and build set of Maltby TS-1 irons, best bang for the buck in golf, hands down.

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      Geoff

      5 years ago

      I have a 7 iron on the way to test. I’ve heard nothing but great things.

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      JON

      5 years ago

      Tony – thank you for this. It’s a very interesting test. One question – you’ve used 5 and 7 irons and PW for this. For your game improvement most wanted you specify long, mid and short iron. Are these 5, 7 and PW also please? It allows us to compare the two categories. Many thanks

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      Jim Bean

      5 years ago

      Where was Srixon in this test??

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      Josh

      5 years ago

      Z585 is their most forgiving iron, hence it being in the “game improvement” category. But it’s a lot more of a players shape than some of these irons. Would love to see it tested in this category. They should have at least put the z785 here as they now have the z-forged replacing the z965 as their least forgiving iron which could be in the player’s category.

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      Dan

      5 years ago

      I really like the new graph showing the 3 irons and how they compared for long , medium and short irons!!

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      Steve

      5 years ago

      I would think that the JPX-919 forged is a direct competitor to the new Callaway Apex Pro, but according to this test it is not. What is it about the 919 forged that puts it in this category but not the Apex Pro?

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      Steve

      5 years ago

      Love my P790s. Got them reshafted with PX LZs from the stock DG105s. The right shaft makes all the difference.

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      Jerry

      5 years ago

      I admit to being a Mizuno bigot but with good reason. I’ve played a MP30/32’s blended set for years. They have Rifle 6.0’s which became way too stiff for my aging swing. I hit them great but my distance got worse every year. Sad because they are so workable and great fun to play. So two months ago I got fitted using Mizuno’s fitting system. I settled on another blended set with the the forged 919’s along with Flihi’s at 2-3-4 iron. Let me say that as you move from blades to these modern Mizuno assist clubs you “do” lose some feel and workability. “However” you gain distance and by extension you can swing with somewhat less exertion. That trade-off allows you to hit a 7-iron versus a 6 or even a 5! That begs the question is it easier to hit a shorter iron with less feel swinging easier than a longer iron with more feel? Long story short, I’m about a club longer with my new Zuno’s and hitting them straight. I’ve lost a little workability and feel. The FliHi’s are quite amazing tho. They are almost 2 clubs longer with less effort. I need some range time to dial in how far I hit them so I don’t airmail greens. Am I happy with my Mizuno purchase? I hate that I am getting older and can’t hit stiff shafted blades anymore. But wow these new Zuno’s are sweet.

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      Bobarino

      5 years ago

      Hey guys. Is your VooDoo cuckoo? The P790 has best yards from center, best shot area and second best distance. How in the world does this not “win” the test with best consistency and second best distance??????

      Reply

      JS

      5 years ago

      You’re only seeing 1/3 of the data I’m guessing. Filter for “ALL” and you’ll see that Mizuno has them beat.

      Reply

      Nick Aquilino

      5 years ago

      What happened to the Srixon irons? I thought they were number one last year. This year not even tested? Makes no sense…………

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      Josh

      5 years ago

      Agreed. Z585 or Z785 at least should be in this category.

      Reply

      Tony Covey

      5 years ago

      Z785 will be tested in the Players Irons category.
      Z585 was tested in the game improvement category.

      Each iron is tested in a single category only and based on length and loft averages within the cohort, Srixon doesn’t have an offering in that fits in the Players Distance category.

      So while you might agree with Nick, the way we do things actually makes perfect sense.

      Divot

      5 years ago

      I find it ironic that we call them distance irons when essentially they are just irons with the stronger lofts. I compare these clubs to my titleist AP2 irons.

      The AP2 PW is 47 degrees, the PW you tested at in the 45 degree range, which is basically a 9.5 iron as the 9 iron in my set is 43 degrees. So of course I would hit the PW farther. However, as the irons get longer, I would argue they are less forgiving as the lofts are much less.

      So basically, yes you can hit the 8 iron farther, but that’s because its basically equivalent in loft to a 7 iron from your previous set.

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      Nick Aquilino

      5 years ago

      Yeah I once had a client who had a pitching wedge at 38 degrees that he said most golfers could hit 140 yards. I asked him what club would the golfer hit if he were 115 yards from the hole and he just looked at me with a blank stare. He had no clue. The whole idea of different irons is to hit them specific distances. Who cares what number is on the bottom of the club.

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      jason

      4 years ago

      I agree mostly, but I’m going to Ping i500’s because sure they’re delofted a touch, but the peak height and trajectories are the same – so I hit is 10 yards further, same height, same drop, same control. I don’t hugely care what number is on the bottom, but as I get older, being able to fly it in with say a 5 iron and stop it is great, when my MP-60 4 iron might struggle to stop.

      DaveyD

      5 years ago

      Great work, as usual. I’d love to see a comparison of off-the-shelf pitching wedges (46, 48 deg) vs. the pitching wedges that are (usually) part of an iron set. Are iron set purchasers getting their money’s worth, or is a third-party PW a better club?

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      Funkaholic

      5 years ago

      Build your own set of Maltby TS-1 irons ,they won’t break the bank and they are unbelievable to hit.

      Reply

      Scott

      5 years ago

      Interesting that the One Length has done so poorly compared to the Forged Tec. I know you’d look at One for the consistency side moreover than performance, but I would have though that numbers would be closer.

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      Mark M

      5 years ago

      Not surprising as I found the Cobra One Length irons have a break in period to get used to all the clubs being one length. Especially, adjusting to having the ball in the same setup position no matter what number you pull.
      Plus it just freaks some people out :)

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      Shawn T

      5 years ago

      Well done again! But according to the spec sheet, C300 forged PW has a 45-degree of loft and a 33-degree of loft for the 7 iron.

      Reply

      golfsucks

      5 years ago

      Cool info but I have a couple questions…is there a reason you guys put these articles out now instead of waiting until the end of the year? And is there a reason why you guys don’t perform the test with irons that are actually released in 2019 instead of previous years?

      Reply

      Tony Covey

      5 years ago

      We try and test current models each year. Current doesn’t always mean new for this year as the majority of irons outside the GI and SGI categories are on 2+ year lifecycles. We test as quickly as we can – and are looking for ways to expedite testing without cutting corners, but most of our tests take about 1 month to complete.

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      Jon

      5 years ago

      LIKE

      Chris C.

      5 years ago

      A small correction appears to be in order. The length of the TM P790 7 iron is 36.75 inches not 35.75 inches. With regards to the issue of “vanity lofting”, it has been long noted that the weight placement in newer iron designs necessitates lofting down lest you wish to hit balloon shots. I have long been more concerned with “vanity shaft length”. There is no good reason for increasing shaft lengths other than to generate greater club head speed/distance at the risk of losing control.

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      Sydney

      5 years ago

      Still, if I am reading this data correctly, seems like these 5 irons stop about 10 yards from where they carry… is 3,250 rpm and 38.5* descent angle (on average) enough to stop of any these 5 irons on the green? 7 irons spin on avg 4,400 rpm and 44* descent angle stops at 6 yards from carry… is there a way for MGS to test for “ideal” spin + landing angles to actually stop shots on the green?

      Reply

      Tony Covey

      5 years ago

      It’s something I’ve discussed with a couple of different golf companies in the past few months, and something I continue to look at on an almost weekly basis. Ultimately, I think the right metric to look at is the relationship between carry and total distance. It’s not as straightforward as I’d like it to be as we need to account for roll model differences between balls that land on the fairway, on the green, and in the rough. What we have to avoid is a metric that provides better ‘stopping power’ numbers for clubs that land in the rough. We might end up having to look at a narrower data set or something like that. As with most every aspect of testing, a perfect solution doesn’t really exist.

      DaveMac

      5 years ago

      “fit from stock.”
      Has Mizuno an advantage in this regard? Mizuno have perhaps the widest range of shaft options at no upcharge, is fit from stock restricted to the Modus 105 or are ALL the no cost options available?
      Contrast models like the Callaway Apex, which has ‘exclusive’ stock shafts (Elevate 95 and Catalyst), are these shafts narrower in terms of player fit?

      Not criticising, just looking at the data in a slightly different way. Is the best, simply the iron that best fit your testers?

      Just to add this is my exact market, I liked the all round capabilities of the JPX919 forged. I didn’t understand the need for the JPX919 pro. I found the P790 to feel very harsh, should a club that doesn’t have a forged face be allowed to sell itself as forged? I wasn’t keen of the AP3 feel either, although loved the looks. I got maximum distance from the Callaway Apex although I didn’t like any of the ‘stock’ shafts. I also hated 2019’s new pricing!

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      Tony Covey

      5 years ago

      Mizuno’s no charge shaft lineup is about the same as Callaway’s and Titleist’s among others. There’s a difference between stock (what company’s put on shelves at retailers) and no charge alternatives. While some manufacturers occasionally include graphite options in what they send us, most, including Mizuno, send a single stock option in multiple flexes.

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      DaveMac

      5 years ago

      If I understand you correctly, the Mizuno was tested with multiple flexes of the -105 – 112 gram Nippon Modus in R to X flex.
      The Apex will have been tested with the ~95 gram True Temper Elevate in R or S flex.
      With shaft weight being one of the most important shaft fitting factors, there is likely to be a relationship between shaft match and club performance. The heavier Modus perhaps contributed to the JPX919 Forged improved consistency, while the lighter Elevate contributing to the Apex’s distance performance, perhaps at the expense of accuracy.

      BodineJCS

      5 years ago

      Yeh … I agree that the 790s felt very harsh so I am not sure what the fuss is all about with that iron . I wouldn’t even consider that iron , put it down after 10 shots . Now the P770 felt amazing in comparison , way better iron …

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      Jack

      5 years ago

      Speaking from experience of someone who recently purchased the JPX 919 Forged, do yourself a favor and go get fit for Mizuno irons NOW.

      I went into a recent fitting completely open to which manufacturer/line I would end up with (thanks to the shift in mindset brought on by the plethora of MGS publishings) and the data spoke for itself.

      In 2019, Mizuno has now taken both iron categories thus far and I wouldn’t be surprised to see them nab the Players’ iron, too. The technology backing the 919 line is quite remarkable- forgiving, excellent shot dispersion, and awesome distance control. Not to mention that Mizuno doesn’t charge for upgrades to shafts/grips.

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      Casper

      5 years ago

      Agree – really wanted the Apex irons but went to a fitting and in the end the JPX 919 HMP was the best performer for me…

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      Jonny_E

      5 years ago

      Agree absolutely. I went for an iron fitting about a month ago and came away with the Mizuno 919 forged. Admittedly, I did mention them before the fitting, but I also tried Ping i500, Titleist AP3, Callaway Rogue Pro etc, and they came out on top for me.
      I’ve played about five rounds with the 919 Forged now, and I absolutely love them. Long, high, straight, soft-landing and consistent – and when you hit the middle of the bat, they feel amazing.

      Peter Jackson

      5 years ago

      Like you, I really liked the look of the Apex CF16’s and the excellent reviews. I bought a set off ebay and after 3 rounds and 2 weeks they were sold again on ebay. The feel was hard and confirming MYGOLFSPY’s results, I couldn’t get any consistency.
      So, sticking with my Srixon 565’s lovely soft feel and consistent

      FWA

      5 years ago

      These results back up everything from my personal experience. Started the year with Apex CF19’s and just found them very unforgiving (for me) and the more I played with them the more I started disliking them in my bag. Did some research and made an informed decision that the JPX 919 Forged irons were everything I was looking for from a footprint, loft, and spin perspective. I struggle to generate a lot of spin and the 919’s looked on paper to deliver more. 2 rounds in the bag and straight away they are way better irons for me. More forgiving, more accurate, and more confidence inspiring. It’s great to see this same result from MGS testing which simply validates my first hand experience.

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      chemclub

      5 years ago

      Give the price to performance ratio, Sub70 seems like a steal.

      Reply

      Joe

      5 years ago

      Sub 70 make incredible irons! I dont have the 699’s, but I play that 639 CB and MB blended set. Absolutely incredible irons and customer service is top notch.
      Not shocked at all to see the 699’s are a strong performer also.

      But mainly as you mentioned from a cost perspective, they cant be beat. depending on the setup at under $700 for irons they are a steal

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      Drew

      5 years ago

      Odd to me that you compare irons with foam/tungsten in them but leave out the Titleist 718 t-MB’s.

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      Tony Covey

      5 years ago

      Because of the comparatively weaker lofts, the T-MBs will be tested in the Players Iron category. Their specs don’t really put them in this category.

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      Sluggo

      5 years ago

      Mizuno… go figure…

      Reply

      Joe S

      5 years ago

      MGS is very thorough in their reviews, and I appreciate that. However I’m very surprised you don’t have any Srixon irons in this test (maybe I missed it?). I spent two months at my local club dealer and hit every iron out there multiple times. Srixon z 585’s and z 785’s are right at the top. Maybe these aren’t players distance irons but rather players irons?

      Reply

      Tony Covey

      5 years ago

      585s are game improvement. 785 are players.

      Reply

      Count Tyrone Rugan

      5 years ago

      Love the study. I would like to see the offsets and compare it to the shot dispersion. That would be really interesting.

      Reply

      Jonathan Foster

      5 years ago

      Great work as always guys, it is nice to see that you can blend the critical factors of forgiveness, workability, distance. Sometimes it is not about raw power as these irons need to work under multiple conditions.

      You are empowering the consumer, and changing customers make their purchasing decision.

      I am considering adding a gap wedge to my full iron set.

      Thanks again for the great work!

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      Max W

      5 years ago

      The data shows the Taylormade P790 as being 1st or 2nd in ball speed, carry yardage, total yardage, yards from center, and shot area. As a website that prioritizes quantifiable metrics, I’m curious how you ranked the Mizuno JPX 919 as the most wanted

      Reply

      Tony Covey

      5 years ago

      It’s laid out in how we test. You’re looking at averages from 20 testers, which does not tell a complete story.

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      Max W

      5 years ago

      So you take a sample size of 20 players, get a quantifiable leader, and crown a different club the “most wanted” because the data doesn’t tell the whole story?

      I think the testing methods and data collection is done correctly, but am wondering which metrics lead to the JPX 919 being awarded Most Wanted

      Tony Covey

      5 years ago

      “Raw data” doesn’t tell the whole story. Did you read the How We Test section page?

      The process is explained step by step with step most relevant to your question being “we calculate a strokes gained value for each shot…”

      WavesandBirdies

      5 years ago

      Im with Max W on this one… The 790 was the notably longer and more accurate overall than the JPX. In the Player’s Distance category these two attributes have to be the most relevant to the testing outcome. The Honma iron wasnt the longest for carry distance for the 5i and 7i, what matter most in irons, and yet it wins top distance model because of the PW distance?? Things like these outcomes and the back to back “Spotlight Award” for Cobra have me second guessing my trust placed in your ‘unbiased’ testing. Feels more like advertising seeding into test results

      Yes I read through your testing procedure, and for the most part it makes sense. Looking at the very small difference in a lot of the individual performance results its clear pulling confidence between two irons would be difficult. Would be interesting to see the difference in average “top performers appearance” each iron made for your testers.

      In the interest in knowledge and Power to the Player, can you add your SG scoring equation into your How We Test page? Also, do you change the weighting of any particular performance attributes for different club categories? Is tester sentiment for look/sound/feel included at all?

      I like the idea you guys being the truth digest, power to the player, and unbiased testing… but as time has gone on this claim doesnt feel as legitimate anymore. I have a feeling Im not a lone in this.

      Jules Coleman

      5 years ago

      We can agree that the raw data constitutes a rather small sample size. That does not mean that the data lacks value. Quite the contrary. But it is by any statistician’s point of view a modest sample size. Next, the category distinctions, eg. among players, player’s distance, GI, etc. are necessarily arbitrary at the boundaries of each. Doesn’t make the category choices unjustifiable, as their justification depends on there being reasons to support drawing the distinctions as you do. Just be aware that there are reasons that would support slightly different ways of drawing the boundaries that would be justifiable as well. So one should be more understanding of suggestions or puzzlement, say, about why there is no Srixon iron. Defensiveness is unwarranted. Overall, my concern is different. Phrases like ‘most wanted’ or ‘best value’ are normative and thus essentially contestable. They are dependent upon the criteria employed and the weight assigned to each criterion. Again, contestable, and more than one set of criteria or relative weighting among them would be justifiable: that is, adequate reasons exist in support of different possible choices. With that said, I note that the only really purpose of having categories like ‘most wanted’ or ‘best value’ is to encourage discussion and argumentation (hopefully) of the informative type. That is fine, but I would suggest you be careful. I dismiss objections that your choices reflect bias or a concern for advertising dollars. But I do worry that in this day when our emotional resources are depleted and nerves frayed and more than should be is politicized (in both the broad and narrow senses of the term) and ideological that the discussions and disagreements that are generated may turn unnecessarily ugly or less civilized than would be desirable. Evaluative judgments, I fear, nowadays and in more domains than I ever imagined, trigger more emotional and less thoughtful and helpful remarks, than one would hope for. This is a uniquely valuable website for golfers. Great that we have opinions, even strong ones, but in the absence of a genuine value you can articulate for the need to identify ‘most wanted’ or ‘best value’ I am not sure that kind of conclusory judgment is necessary of ultimately helpful. I say this not just as a lifelong academic working in the area of value theory, but as someone who has written audio reviews for 30 years. If you want to see how crazy people can get about personal preference and objective valuation take a look at Audio Asylum (which, alas, is quite appropriately named).

      BodineJCS

      5 years ago

      Because the lofts are jacked on the 790s by almost 2 degrees across the set …Its the new way they try to sell irons to make you believe they hit it farther… Do your home work

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      nevadagolfandsneakers

      5 years ago

      All of the irons in this test have “jacked up” lofts but yeah keep singling the P790’s out. They don’t even have the strongest lofts in this test.

      Max W

      5 years ago

      That doesn’t explain why the P790 leads in ball speed, shot area, and yards off center. Do your homework :)

      BodineJCS

      5 years ago

      No … the mizuno 919 forged are traditional lofts across the set …Mizuno PW 46 degrees …790s 44 Degrees … 7 Iron …Mizuno …32 degrees … 790s 30 degrees …. Keep on telling yourself that but there jacked lofts compared to the mizuno so naturally they hit it farther … I dont get it anyway , the mizunos are light years better than the 790s in my opinion . I have hit the 790s and they are pretty harsh iron … fake forged … you got duped … Sorry

      Greg

      5 years ago

      You should read the actual numbers from above. Mizzy is not 46 degrees and the 790 is not 44. By rounding you increased the difference by .75 degrees. Which by your method would be 1 full degree which is a 50% exaggeration. You even rounded the Mizzy 7 iron number up by .75 degrees.
      Your Mizzy bias is clear.
      Who is the one doing the duping here?

      Joey S

      5 years ago

      What are you talking about, Greg? The 919 forged PW is certainly 46 degrees. Just look it up. https://www.mizunousa.com/category/golf+content/jpx919+forged.do

      Joey S

      5 years ago

      Okay, Greg. I see where you got the 45.5 from above. Interesting that the Mizuno website shows 46 and MGS shows 45.5. Taylormade website shows 45 for 790 PW, while MGS shows 44.25.

      BodineJCS

      5 years ago

      Blah Blah Blah …Almost every Mizuno PW is 46 Degrees and always has been . And like all these distance numbers mean anything anyway when distance CONTROL is the name of the game here … Something you weekend golfers just dont get … Have fun flying the green fellas

      flushem

      5 years ago

      IMO, Honma TW747P Irons are GI, not player’s. I remember seeing TW747V iron in the first place. Any reason for change?

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      Tim

      5 years ago

      The only measure I care about is shot area – the smaller the grouping, the better. If I want to hit an iron further, Ill take a longer club. Titleist AP3 is in the middle of the pack for shot area, but at the bottom of your ranking. What caused that?

      I wonder if any of these irons are being penalized for being shorter because their lofts are not as jacked up. That would be a shame. Vanity lofting is by far the worst thing happening in golf equipment.

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      Sixcat

      5 years ago

      AP3 is “middle of the pack” for 7 iron dispersion but 2nd from last in total shot area when looking at all three irons tested (PW, 7 & 5) and has the 2nd worst shot dispersion for the PW and 5 iron, behind only the Apex.

      Agree completely about “vanity lofting.”

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      Brandon M

      5 years ago

      AP3 shot area is near the bottom for short and long iron. It’s middle of the pack for middle irons only with similar results in yards from center. There’s not much on that chart to rank it in the top half considering it was middle of the pack in distance (except for the PW lofted at 42.5 degrees). It’s a shame because they are the best looking irons of the bunch.

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      don

      5 years ago

      I agree but remember to compare apples to apples. If the 7i of one club travels the same distance as the 6i of another thats where you compare the shot area.

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      Jules Coleman

      5 years ago

      The concept of jacked up/down lofts is misleading. It is natural to want to use it for comparison purposes because it is quantified along ordinal measurements: 44 is a number that is less than 46, so relative to the 46, the 44* iron is jacked. Fine, but misleading. The lofts are one variable used in a manufacturer’s formula designed to produce a range of outcomes, or their conception of an optimal balance among them. The include launch, peak height, descent angle, playability, turf interaction, and distance. The loft is often most responsive to other decisions made about weighting and cg placement. The lower, farther back in the club and greater the weight place there, ceteris paribus, the greater the need to lower the loft to achieve desired ball flight, descent, etc. So it is just a poor inference to conclude that the distance of one club is greater than another because of the ‘jacked up lofts’. The lofts are typically designed to compliment decisions about other variables. You have to look at these matters holistically, which is how designers of clubs do it. Now manufacturers are guilty of feeding this narrative, so they have no one to blame but themselves, but that is no reason for the rest of us to ignore the complexities and dynamic subtleties of club design. Our discussions are more helpful to one another when we draw the distinctions that manufacturers pushing the distance factor would rather not have us attend to.

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