Titleist TS Drivers – A New Platform & A New Way of Thinking
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Titleist TS Drivers – A New Platform & A New Way of Thinking

Titleist TS Drivers – A New Platform & A New Way of Thinking

Don’t let the timing fool you. We may be coming up on 2-years removed from the launch of the 917, but, for Titleist, the #TSProject is anything but just another driver released because the calendar mandates it. TS is an entirely new platform and to no small degree, an entirely new way of thinking.

Inside the walls of Titleist, the TS Project was a full-on NCAA bracket-style bracket competition where different combinations of shapes, materials, and constructions were pitted against each other, all while experimenting with a variety of head, grip, and shaft weights. The TS Project was an exercise that forced Titleist to tear previous thinking to the ground, step outside of comfort zones, look at things differently, and experiment with ideas well outside of the traditional Titleist wheelhouse.

The result is the most significant step-forward in Titleist metalwoods since at least the 910, though there’s a case to made it represents the company’s most significant leap forward since, well…maybe ever.

WHY TS?

Despite Justin Thomas suggesting that TS stands for “the shit”, TS is actually short for Titleist Speed. The new name symbolizes a significant departure from business as usual at Titleist. The name is different because the product is different. The product is different because it has to be.

Contained within the Titleist Speed Project are 10-years worth of research, a renewed focus on the core Titleist golfer, and (for the market as a whole) one simple but uncharacteristically bold guarantee; Titleist will not lose on speed.

Over the last couple of product cycles, that hasn’t always been the case.

Steady, dependable, and not much for hyperbole, the Titleist marketing strategy has always relied on the traditional pyramid of influence. Leveraging the Tour and the club pro to drive sales has served Titleist well over the years, but recently things have changed. Golf sites and peer networks have become more influential. Today, reputations are built, or at least influenced, from outside Titleist’s comfortable structures and fair or not, that’s played a role in diminishing perceptions of Titleist driver performance.

It’s the reason why the last couple of Titleist drivers have been defined by two less than flattering words: Short and Spinny.

How Did Titleist Get Here?

Despite a contingent of diehard Titleist loyalists and an unwavering commitment to custom fitting, the company’s share of the metalwoods market has declined over the past few releases. Its sensible release cycles and reputation built on performance have been overshadowed by louder, flashier competitors. In a time when golfers expect glowing bars and twisty faces, tradition and the often nebulous concept of quality can sometimes make for a difficult sell. For its part in all of this, it’s fair to say that Titleist hasn’t evolved its products as rapidly as its competitors’.

For a time, Titleist drivers were among the most forgiving on the market. That may fly in the face of the better player reputation, but it’s nevertheless true. Maybe it was complacency, maybe it was a steadfast belief that it was exactly where it needed to be, but within the last few years, as its competitors released faster, more forgiving drivers, Titleist mostly held its ground. Innovations like Active Recoil Channel and StraightFlight CG Weighting boosted speed a bit and gave fitters more flexibility, but for the guy banging balls in a big box hitting bay, Titleist drivers didn’t always show well.

Even the elite golfers who once flocked to Titleist in droves were playing other brands. It’s no secret that pay for play dominates at the professional level. He who pays the most wins the count, but what opened eyes at Titleist was the significant decline in play at events like the NCAA and US Amateur Championship. Once the leader, Titleist found itself just a couple of drivers away from dropping to 4th in the count. The consumer market as a whole followed much the same trajectory. In recent years, Titleist has routinely trailed Callaway, TaylorMade, PING, and sometimes Cobra in driver market share. By Titleist’s admission, the 917 unperformed at retail.

Perception vs. Reality

While Titleist acknowledges the short and spinny labels exist, those inside the company reject the assessment. “The 917, when it was best fit,” says Stephanie Luttrell, Metalwoods Director for Titleist, “it was not shorter.”

Best fit. Hold that thought.

Tom Bennett, Titleist’s Principal Concept Development Engineer, is adamant to the point of agitation in his defense of the previous model.

“Off the rack, there was a build difference. When we test head-to-head, shaft to shaft, same length, we were at no disadvantage, but that myth [short and spinny] got promulgated everywhere. We are total performance. When we got beat off the rack, it wasn’t for total performance; it was for ball speed on a launch monitor. Outside the results were different.”

There’s plenty of truth in Bennett’s assessment. For the past several iterations, the stock Titleist build has been 45”. Most of the competition is at 45.5”, and some of those, when placed under the scrutiny of the ruler, consistently measure 46”. Spotting the competition ¾” or more in the best ball wins reality of the off-the-rack launch monitor demo world left Titleist at a significant disadvantage. The guy looking for one or two long balls doesn’t have any interest in standard deviations and dispersion patterns.

To sell more drivers, Titleist needs to do something differently.

“It doesn’t matter if we think we’re right…if we’re making a better product,” says Bennett, “If we don’t win that ball speed number on that launch monitor indoors, then they’re not going to give us a chance outside.”

Titleist is getting beat at retail in no small part because of its engineered-to-be-fit approach to driver design. It’s an uncomfortable notion for a company as heavily invested in custom fitting as Titleist is, but the numbers say the majority of golfers still aren’t interested in finding the best fit (or in many cases, any kind of fit). Most fitters would agree that a 45” shaft is more sensible than what’s on shelves, but in the typical off-the-rack scenario, spotting the competition length and by extension yards, all but guarantees failure.

In fitting environments, Titleist’s new reputation preceded it. Customers at top Titleist fitting accounts weren’t asking to try Titleist drivers. Titleist drivers may have performed when best fit, but they weren’t being given a chance to prove it.

“Because we believe so much in fitting that it was easy to us for us to say let’s build a club that’s perfect from a fitting aspect,” says Josh Talge, VP of Golf Club Marketing for Titleist. “Where I think we got in trouble is, if you look at the path to purchase, we were at the end point. That point in the middle, where guys grab 3 or 4 products and go into a hitting bay, we were not as competitive in some of those scenarios as we should have been, and so we got set to the side early.”

Fair or not, the short and spinny perception persists. Titleist won’t hide from that, but it believes TS is the product that will break that cycle, bring the elite golfers and Titleist brand fans back, and move the needle among golfers who maybe haven’t tried a Titleist driver in a while, if ever.

To understand how it plans to do that, you need to understand what makes TS different from any Titleist driver in recent memory.

Titleist TS Drivers

I’ve mentioned this before, but it’s worth repeating and applying to every new golf club on the market. To borrow from Mizuno’s Chris Voshall, “with every new club there’s something that could be better.”

Again, emphasis on the word could. There are no guarantees, but in the case of the TS Drivers, I’m willing to take it a step further and say that it almost certainly will be better. The long list of improvements reflects Titleist’s commitment to not just making a new driver, but to making the kind of driver that can win on the launch monitor, even when it’s not properly fit. That’s a key piece in bringing golfers back to the Titleist brand.

“We need to make sure giving someone something that right out of the box feels like it’s a great product,” says Josh Talge. “When we fit you, we can make it an outstanding product, but it’s got to be competitive.”

Titleist’s R&D team was challenged to deliver a faster and longer driver without compromising on the looks, sound, and feel that a traditional Titleist player demands. My assessment is that they’ve done just that.

Before we look at what differentiates the TS2 and the TS3, let’s look at the list of features they have in common.

Streamlined Shape

Titleist has significantly refined the shape of both models, resulting in a 20% improvement in aerodynamics. It’s worth mentioning that we’re not talking about anything radical here. I suspect most won’t notice much of anything, though the enhancements are readily apparent when comparing the TS to the 917. Side by side, the TS takes on a significantly more domed appearance.

Purists will appreciate that Titleist achieved the gains without adding any turbulator-like structures to the crown. Titleist did a fair amount of research and testing on crown features, but when the prototypes failed to show any sort of quantifiable advantage, it chose to leave them off.

Titleist says that even golfers who swing 85 MPH can gain up to 1MPH more clubhead speed, with faster swingers gaining even more.

As part of the refined shape, Titleist dropped the rear of the clubhead a bit closer to the ground plane, which helped it push the center of gravity farther down. We’ll get to that in a bit.

2 @ 460CC

Departing from the conventions of previous Titleist driver families, both the TS2 and TS3 are 460cc. This time around, differences are a matter of shape and performance characteristics, not size.

The TS2 is being billed as offering a modern shape, which means a shallower face, and more length face to rear. The TS3 is said to offer more of a traditional pear shape, which includes a deeper face.

Ultrathin Titanium Crown

Golfers hoping for a return of the D-Comp, prepare yourselves for disappointment. Like PING, Titleist will continue to play in the 100% titanium space. The crown boasts a constant thickness of only .4mm (down from .5mm). While R&D is immensely proud of that .1mm reduction, the marketing guys would prefer I tell you that it’s 20% thinner. We can split hairs over the right way to present that detail, but the key takeaway here is that Titleist is billing the TS crown as the thinnest titanium crown in the industry.

As it did with aerodynamic features, Titleist’s R&D department did plenty of experimentation with composites, but again, it didn’t find any advantages. What often gets lost in the discussion around weight savings and composite crowns is that the weight numbers provided don’t include the ledges necessary to support the crown and the adhesives required to keep everything in place. All that stuff adds-up and erodes weight-savings to the point where Titleist believes they get better performance and better acoustics from titanium.

While, as you’d expect, Titleist leveraged some of that mass savings in other places, it also took it as an opportunity to make the overall weight of the head a little bit lighter. That’s not to say lighter is better. Like other fitting variables, there’s no universal truth around proper weight, but Titleist’s research showed that golfers initially prefer lighter weight.

“It’s not necessarily better for them all the time,” says Stephanie Luttrell, “but when you’re getting your hands into who’s walking into the bay, and who’s picking up your golf club, you want them to have a positive initial experience with it where they like the way it feels, and then hopefully drive themselves towards being fit.”

Tweaking weight is one of many things Titleist has done to help ensure it doesn’t get pushed to the side early.

Thinner and, most importantly, faster face

Before Titleist started teasing photos of the TS Drivers, reports coming out of the Titleist sales meetings were that the company was confident it would not lose on speed. One of the reasons for that claim is a thinner face.

An unusual derivation from typical thin face stories, Titleist says its face is so thin it had to remove the milled scorelines, replacing them with laser etched alternatives.

Titleist remains committed to playing by USGA rules at every level, and while that means staying under the USGA limit, it is taking steps to ensure that the TS head everyday golfers buy packs the same level of performance that tour pros get.

To further increasing consistency, bulge and roll are CNC milled into TS’ forged face. Titleist designs its heads with a proprietary tab structure that aligns the face in a consistent position and keeps it there during welding and polishing.

It’s also worth mentioning that, fresh out of the mold, the hosel portion of Titleist driver heads is a bit bulkier than most. The extra material allows for a proprietary process that machines the final dimensions of the hosel relative to the face, precisely controlling the face/sole relationship. For discerning eyes, it yields more consistent visual results, but more importantly, it creates more consistent lofts from part to part.

These are the kinds of thing you’d likely never notice and may not even care about, but each plays a role in helping to ensure that the Titleist driver you buy is the same as the one in the demo cart, or even the one you hit in the bay at your local big box store.

We want to make sure we’re bringing the best product forward, not only for JT and Jordan, but also for every single golfer.” – Stephanie Luttrell

Optimized Weight Distribution

Admittedly this one is sort of a catch-all, and just about everyone who makes a driver claims some degree of optimization. I’ll discuss more specific numbers as they relate to each of the TS models, but the key takeaway is that first the first time in several generations of Titleist drivers, the CG location has shifted significantly.

The weight savings from the crown and face (10g total) have allowed Titleist to push the CG farther down and farther back. Titleist believes that TS has the lowest CG (relative to ground) in the market right now. The combination of low and back, as you should know by now, is the recipe for higher launch, and yes…hell yes, lower spin (up to 400 RPM lower than 917).

Titleist is bundling the shape, the face, and the weighting together in a package it calls the Speed Chassis. Apart from giving the marketing team something they can talk about, Speed Chassis gets you faster ball speed, higher launch, lower spin, and up to a 12% bump in MOI.

45.5” Real Deal Shafts

The change in CG location should take care of the spinny. The new 45.5” shaft should take care of the short. Increasing shaft length (from 45”) is perhaps the most un-Titleist aspect of the TS Design, but it’s something the company absolutely had to do.

The engineering argument – and it’s one I’ve heard before – is that the increased inertia of the clubhead allows golfers to miss the sweet spot by a little bit larger margin without losing speed or accuracy. Why not add a little length to create speed? That makes sense.

The sales reality is one we’ve already touched on. Titleist was losing launch monitor battles, in part, because its stock shafts were significantly shorter than Callaway, TaylorMade, and PING’s.

“We want people to be fit, but we know that only about 38% percent get fit,” says Stephanie Luttrell. By adding length and bringing the product closer to the competitive set, Titleist can unlock more speed, which is critically important in the demo environment. If you get fit and a 45” shaft is good for you, that’s cool, but for the first time in recent memory, Titleist appears willing to accept that many golfers, in fact, the majority of golfers, won’t.

Titleist is again using a 100% real-deal shafts. You won’t find any made-for, watered-down, doesn’t-exist-anywhere-but-the-OEM-lineup, crap here. Kudos.

As always, the stock lineup is robust. It features offerings from 4 of the 5 top brands on the PGA Tour and contains the kind of big-name shafts golfers actually want to play.

Kuro Kage Black (50g/55g) – The Kuro Kage black replaces the Diamana Red as Titleist’s high-launch/mid-spin offering. Titleist made the change primarily because of improved dispersion. The company liked what it saw in testing so much that it’s offering it in everything from ladies flex through x-flex.

Tensei AV Blue (55g/65g) – The replacement for the Diamana Blue in the Titleist lineup, the AV Blue is your prototypical mid/mid offering. The Blue is the first in the new AV (Aluminum Vapor) series. AV is a design feature that increases torsional stiffness in the butt section. Titleist expects the AV Blue will be the most popular shaft in the TS lineup.

Sidebar: StraightFlight Weighting

Both the Kuro Kage Black and the AV Blue feature a new technology called Straight Flight Weighting. The technology was developed by Titleist and licensed to MRC, so it very well could find its way into other lineups. What StraightFlight Weighting does is take the right-side bias out of ultralight shafts. Testing in pitch black conditions to remove the golfer’s natural impulse to correct for undesirable ball flight, Titleist found that ultralight shafts do, in fact, show a tendency to go right.

Placing a ring of tungsten pellets just below the hands was shown to help golfers get the face square going into impact. It worked so well, Mitsubishi wanted to use it in its lineup.

HZRDUS Smoke (60g/70g) – Proving to be popular with Titleist’s staff partners, the HZRDUS Smoke is a mid-launch/low spin offering that’s described as being friendlier than other HZRDUS offerings. It has a higher balance point, which supports longer builds. An 80-gram option is available at no upcharge.

EvenFlow T1100 White (65g/75g) – The replacement for the Diamana White, Titleist says the EvenFlow T1100 White offers better feel for the aggressive swinger. As you’d expect from anything with a T1100 reinforced tip, it’s classified as low launch and low spin. An 85-gram option is available at no upcharge.

Comparing the new stock shaft lineup to the previous one, Titleist is, on average, ½” longer and 5-grams lighter.

No Active Recoil Channel

While ARC persists in the fairway woods, Titleist has eliminated one of its signature technologies from the TS Drivers. Visible technology like ARC helps sell clubs, but the decision for Titleist was an easy one because removing it made for a better product.

“Our job is to always find the most efficient way to drive ball speed and performance,” says Josh Talge. “It worked better without it.” The mass properties of the TS drivers already dropped spin, and ditching Active Recoil Channel produced higher launch at the same spin rates. That allowed Titleist to tune the lofts to get the expected trajectory while saving 3-4g of mass.

TS2 & TS3 Drivers

Now that you know how much the TS Drivers have in common, let’s take a look at how they’re different.

TS2 Driver

The obvious point of distinction is that the TS2 doesn’t offer SureFit CG Weighting. It’s one weight is for swing weighting purposes only. Weights are available in 2g increments from +6g to -4g relative to stock.

As previously mentioned, the TS2 features the modern shape necessary to hit a big MOI number. The more forgiving of the TS Drivers, Titleist is claiming a heel/toe MOI of around 5250. It’s a big number the company hopes will help eliminate the perception – albeit demonstrably false – that Titleist drivers aren’t forgiving or that a given golfer might not be good enough to play one.

Factoring the top/bottom inertia, the total MOI of the TS2 is in the 9000 ballpark, which is in the upper echelon of drivers on the market today.

During its research, Titleist experimented with extreme MOI designs but found diminishing returns between 5300 and 5400 MOI. At that level, you’re protecting ball speed, but you’re not getting as much speed to protect. Titleist found that golfers often react to the higher inertia by not swinging as fast.

Having tried both TS models during my fitting, I found the TS2 to be the better feeling of the two models, though I was eventually fit into the TS3.

The TS2 is SureFit Hosel (independent loft and lie) adjustable and is available in lofts of 8.5°, 9.5°, 10.5°, and 11.5°.

TS3 Driver

Like the D3 before it, loft for loft, the TS3 is the lower launching and spinning offering in the TS catalog. It features SureFit CG weighting which allows for horizontal CG adjustment. What’s interesting about the Titleist implementation of adjustable mass is that the company doesn’t just talk about weight as a means to cure slices or hooks, or to alter the start direction of the shot. The Titleist philosophy is to use the SureFit hosel to adjust lie angle and use the CG weight to relocate mass behind the typical impact position.

It’s a subtle but critical piece of the fitting equation, especially when you consider that the majority of the drivers on the market are slightly heel weighted. Being able to shift the CG towards the toe, in conjunction with other adjustments, can improve dispersion and unlock additional ball speed.

I was fit into the TS3 because of the lower spin and that ability to push a bit of extra weight to the toe.

The CG weight itself has been redesigned to use a magnet to facilitate heel, neutral, and toe bias weighting while eliminating the need for multiple weights.

The MOI of the TS3 doesn’t match that of the TS2, but it’s every bit as forgiving as the 917D2. With TS3, you get a low spin driver that offers the playability and forgiveness of Titleist’s previous most-forgiving model.

The TS3 is also SureFit hosel adjustable and is available in lofts of 8.5°, 9.5°, and 10.5°.

Will You Try TS Drivers?

It goes without saying that if you’re not interested in trying a Titleist TS Driver, you’re probably not going to buy one. For TS to succeed in the market, the first thing Titleist needs to do is to pique your interest.

The Tour could play a role in that given that adoption at the professional level has been rapid to say the least. 17 TS Drivers went to into play at the US Open. That’s a substantial number considering you have to be either absolutely certain of the performance, or absolutely out of your mind to put something new in the bag for the first time at a major. An interesting fitting note form the Tour story; to date, Titleist has seen a 50/50 split between TS2 and TS3.

Titleist is also going to spend money, and my between the lines read is that it’s going to spend more money than usual, to build buzz and hopefully get you into shops specifically to try TS. Part of that effort will involve tackling the negative perceptions of Titleist drivers.

“If we’re known for a slow, spinning driver, we’re just going to go right at that,” says Josh Talge, Titleist VP of Golf Club Marketing. “We’re going to shed that slow and spinny label, and we’re going to give a lot of golfers performance that they haven’t seen from a Titleist driver before, and maybe weren’t expecting, but I think we’re going to turn a lot of heads.”

While the message is going to be speed, it will need to be delivered authentically in a way that doesn’t alienate the traditional Titleist player and will resonate with elite golfers. “Historically we want to be the driver of choice for the world’s best players,” says Talge. “If we can get the best players in the world playing our product, we believe that other people are going to do it as well.”

For Titleist, TS Project isn’t about being the biggest club company, but if you’re the type of golfer who cares enough about performance to choose the best, then you’re the type of golfer Titleist wants to sell to. It’s not about handicap; it’s about dedication. That’s a space where Titleist feels it can thrive. The nature of the demographic allows it to make the right type of product, focus on performance without getting too broad, and maintain release cycles long enough to allow for real innovation. That’s the Titleist way, and the #TSProject hasn’t changed it.

Here’s how Titleist’s Josh Talge sums it up.

Titleist doesn’t work if our product isn’t better than someone else’s, because we’re never going to spend 40 million dollars to create a mythical story. That’s not our approach. Our approach is, hey you should try this thing. It’s really good. Go try it.”

You can go try Titleist TS drivers beginning today. Full retail availability begins 9/29/18. Retail price for both models is $499.

Schedule your TS fitting today or visit Titleist.com for more information.

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      golfraven

      6 years ago

      Appreciate the extensive writeup about those TS drivers. It is very compelling and wake the interest in those folks who are or been Titleist fans. For my part I was itching ti get my hands on those drivers and had my fitting at Titleist fitting center last week. My current gamer is a 913 D3 model so it was about time to look into a new one that is actually fitted for me – I picked the old one as second hand trusting roughly what I got and it worked for past years. I was very excited about the fitting. Straighr from the start I eliminates the TS2 which was not my cup of tee and it showed in the results. The TS3 was a better feel and performer especially on the looks department which I was already accustomed to playing the D3. The Tensei AV Blue shaft came on top which was not a great surprise because I tested it prior in the hybrid model – however tested the other 2 shafts and different lenghts. Currently playing a 44.5” driver I settled on 45” in the TS because it showed some extra speed and dispersion was not compromised – maybe because of the SFW in the shaft. Anyway, can’t wait to game the TS3 the rest of the season and years to come. I believe this one will be a classic and epic driver in the coming years. Very excited as I moved also to the AP3 irons and the TS3 will complete my dream bag.

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      Jim Thomson

      6 years ago

      This is one of the best articles on golf clubs I’ve ever read. I’m no longer a Titleist driver fan—they lost me after the 910—but the information presented here has me intrigued.

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      JMS

      6 years ago

      Both the Titleist irons and woods have been tour validated. Spieth has won several majors with an “antique” 915. Justin Thomas has won millions with 915 and 917 drivers. Adam Scott came out of nowhere to place #3 in the PGA Tour championship using the 3. A disproportionate number of amateurs place highlin PGA tournaments using Titleist woods. In the Most Wanted testing, Titleist drivers typically test well. Relatively high spin typically holds them back from the very top positions. Rick Shiels has shown that typically each new driver release from Titleist obtains at least 3 additional yards compared to the previous release. From my own experience, for my swing and the way I play, the 915 and 917 were game changers, allowing me to drop to a +3. However, I was custom fitted with GD shafts. The control and dispersion were ground breaking for me. I tested out the Taylormade M series as well. I was able to get an extra 2-5 yards on my best swings but my dispersion was better with the 915 and 917. The new TS series drivers looks like they will be as long as the Taylormade Ms and Callaway Epics, but with great feel and dispersion. I’m definitely going to purchase the driver and the 3-wood, based on my experiences with 915, 917, and the technology upgrades in these clubs.

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      JMS

      6 years ago

      I tested out the TS2 for about an hour yesterday. Over 100 shots, I averaged 12 yards longer compared to 100 shots with my 917 D2. Spin was 300-400 RPM lower, ball speed was slightly higher, while launch was 1-2 degrees higher. Dispersion was slightly better. I used the same GD shaft for the testing. The take home message is that this is a pretty amazing club. It is easily the best driver that I have ever tested. It has way better sound and feel compared to the Rogue. I definitely prefer how it looks compared to the Taylormade Ms.

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      Ric

      6 years ago

      The real problem with Titleist is they have been sitting on their hands thinking anything with just their name and a few cosmetic changes people would beat the doors down . Their product has been less than good on the verge of dollar store performance.. The name Titleist has fallen so far behind the rest it will take a lot of money to “BUY BACK THE BUSINESS ” with top players already locked in with TM,Cally,Srixon,Bridgestone ,Ping,Cobra, and soon Wilson. Titleist will have a lot to do to get performance being so far from the mountain top!!

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      Humza

      6 years ago

      I used to game a Titleist 910 D2, which was probably the best feeling driver I’d hit at the time. It was very consistent in shot shape and had tight dispersion. However, I found drivers from other companies to be much longer. Though I’ve tried subsequent Titleist drivers since, they have never been able to pique my interest. And I must concur with other comments that their fitting experience has not been anywhere as good as others.

      I now game the Callaway Epic which is an exceptional combination of distance and consistency (at least for me). I will hit the TS drivers out of curiosity, but I don’t expect them to be significantly better to warrant a change.

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      Muckleskelp

      6 years ago

      All mute anyway as the new Sirixon driver will.out perform everything or your money back guaranteed

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      Adam Print

      5 years ago

      I had an official fitting for both. The srixon looked great, & felt great, but although the dispersion was good, the launch angle was low & I only gained 2 yards. The TS2 was hopeless. I hit it everywhere. However, the TS3 Was very impressive. I averaged 10 yards carry on my Callaway XR16. Fantastic dispersion, lower spin & higher launch angle.

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      golfinnut

      6 years ago

      Having been a Titleist guy since day one, I was excited about this release. Having hit it yesterday …. not so much. Maybe I didn’t come with the best swing to the range, but I didn’t see all the ball speed gains that everyone was talking about.
      I will give it another shot at the end of the month. But initially I don’t see spending $500 for an additional 1 mph in ball speed. Do you?

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      Nick V

      6 years ago

      GolfNut…..I went for my fitting as well…..coming off a 917 I gained considerable ball speed and about +11yards…..NOTHING TO SNEEZE AT!!! I really think you should regroup and hit them again…. having said that to each his own and being a Titleist guy you and I both know you can never go wrong sticking with you 917 or 915 whatever is in your hands.

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      TC

      6 years ago

      Thanks, Tony, for the great information. Most of what I’ve read about the new TS drivers are regurgitated press releases.

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      Andre

      6 years ago

      The main technological innovation of this driver is the increased length !

      Aerodynamics improvement is just laughable. The resistance to airflow is measured with the face of the club square to this flow, which happens only in a few 1/100 second before impact, so there can’t be any measurable effect. Notwithstanding the fact that the drag is mainly in proportion of the surface of the face , which, on a driver is very small.
      About MOI, when you go from 4000 to 4500 it makes a huge of a difference, but when you go from 5000 to 5500, it’s very small,and as total weight is the main factor of MOI, it makes the driver much heavier and reduces speed.

      Anyhow, as always, something sounding highly tech has to be said for marketing purpose…

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      Tony Covey

      6 years ago

      That’s not at all what I said. Additional length is certainly what will help Titleist to compete off the rack, but the Speed Chassis, which bundles the aerodynamics you don’t believe in, with overhauled face technology, and significantly improved mass properties. It’s that last one that will have the greatest impact. If you’re trying to shed the short and spinny label, making a longer driver leaves you with long, but spinny.

      As for MOI, nobody claimed that going from 5000 to 5000 was a massive jump, but as with everything else in club design, it takes several pieces in several areas to yield measurable gains.

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      Kyle

      6 years ago

      Was fit today for TS2. Hammered it for over an hour next to TS3. TS2 for me offered more consistent spin and dispersion. I liked the forgiveness factor as well. Well written and researched article here. Compared to my 917 D2, was showing on average +15 yards with slightly lower spin rates around 2300. Sound, look and feel for me was excellent. Looking forward to delivery soon. Bombs away!

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      Johnny Penso

      6 years ago

      So your ball speed was up 3-5 mph?

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      Ciaran

      6 years ago

      Johnny you can increase distance without increasing speed. Higher launch, lower spin for example. The article above makes this pretty clear.

      kyle

      6 years ago

      Ballspeed was up average 2 mph which for me made a big difference. Fitted properly to new shaft and surprisingly was fit into the TS2 at 9.5 loft compared to the 10.5 I’ve played for many years with all my drivers. The club just felt fantastic and was hitting balls very good. Dispersion was tight compared to TS3 for me. Very happy with my purchase and should have the new beast in about a week and 1/2. Cant wait.

      dave

      6 years ago

      of all the reviews online. most of the better players are choosing the ts3 yet most actually hit the ts2 better….much tighter dispersion and similar if not longer distance yet choosing ts3. im torn i have 917 d3. and actually love the fade bias weight. im worried ill need to hot melt the ts2 in the toe and use a lighter back weight. to achieve similar performance. ugh

      golfraven

      6 years ago

      I hit the TS2 at 9.5 and it launched as high as the TS3 at 10.5 loft. I settled on the TS3 because it had more consistent disperion and feel. Aside I like the look – more the D3 player. Anyway the TS3 is like the old 917D2 mode which I hit previously.

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      Rod_CCCGOLFUSA

      6 years ago

      Are Titleist engineers backed up by a new distribution network? The TS drivers seem built to serve more than the single digit handicapper, but my experience at the PGA Show and local demo days is that the Titleist reps show up with 9.5-degree heads and S/X shafts and not much else. It will be hard to expand the sales culture beyond college golfers and highly competitive amatuers.

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      Frank D.

      6 years ago

      Always interested in the new driver products manufacturers bring out. I feel as other’s have mentioned in the past that year-to-year changes between manufacturers are not really significant enough, at least in my view, to run out and purchase the latest and greatest club. I am of the opinion that value vs performance is such that a significant cost savings can be had by purchasing a previous year model, or even pre-owned. Include a shaft fitting and you’re good to go. I realize that is not what the marketing genius’ at Titleist, Callaway, and Ping want to hear, but do they really expect us to go out and buy their new $500 driver every year just so we can gain 3-5 yards distance or tighten accuracy dispersion from 18 yards down to 16?? If Titleist has made a significant gain with the TS series, well, it will be around next year at a far more reasonable price.

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      Jason

      6 years ago

      I don’t think they expect that at all but when there is a significant gain why wouldn’t you purchase said driver. I picked up 16 yards of carry and total distance and 4-5 mph ball speed going from my Ping G to a Callaway Rogue Sub Zero this year. 16 yards is quite a bit and well worth the cost in my opinion.

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      golfraven

      6 years ago

      I compare it with the car market. Not everyone will buy the latest model or facelift after 3-4 years but those folks who have been thinking of buying a new model may be inspired to pull the trigger. Same for drivers. I waited 6 years (3 Titleist model cycles) to buy the TS driver. Was it better or significantly longer/faster – maybe not as much but same for a new car. I just happened to be in the market but trust me I also considered to buy the 917 range but I was not sold on it. One thing with Titleist, I can be sure the price will hold for next 18 months and I will not see Jonny buying same driver for half the price in the coming 6 months. I could not be so sure buying a Ping, TM or Callaway one.

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      LCollinsUSF

      6 years ago

      Great article (and even better comments) Tony C. Have not been ‘happy’ with the Titleist Drivers I have tried in the past, but I will definitely be giving this one a swing. Can’t wait for the reps to schedule their next couple of fitting days here locally!

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      Steve

      6 years ago

      When are they going to finally admit that drivers have reached the limit for distance and now even forgiveness. Independent testing of all these new drivers has proven that distance wise your only going to get a couple of more yards. Getting fitted for sure is the only way to go if your talking about a $500+ investment. But cost vs actual improvement just doesn’t fly, it’s all manufacture hype. Want more distance, feel, sound, etc., get fitted for the proper GOLF BALL, period..

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      Tony Covey

      6 years ago

      It’s amazing how many times I’ve had to repeat this reply in one form or another, but I’ll say it again in no uncertain terms.

      We have not reached the point where drivers have reached the limit.

      Forgiveness is an easy one to dispute. The USGA limits MOI to 5900. The highest MOI model on the market right now is the PING G400 MAX with an iyy value of ~5700. That’s not a ton of room, but it’s not maxed either, and the rest of the industry still has an opportunity to make gains.

      Regarding CT and COR. First, the CT test is not as reliable as the old COR test. There are reportedly drivers on the shelves right now that would fail the old COR test, but still fall within the USGA CT tolerances. Companies don’t discuss them publicly because nobody wants to ruffle feathers at or raise the attention of the USGA.

      So that we’re all on the same page, let’s put the numbers out there. The USGA limit for CT is 239 microseconds (the measurement reflecting the duration over which test pendulum remains in contact with the face). The USGA allows for a measuring tolerance of another 18 microseconds making the real-world limit 257 microseconds.

      Now, for just a moment, let’s assume that everyone in the industry hits that 257 number. The actual portion of the face where 100% of the allowable CT is maintained is a small percentage of the actual face area. Missing by just a few millimeters drops ball speed relative to the face center. So, as manufacturers boost MOI in conjunction with face technology that retains a greater percentage of ball speed on off-center hits, they are effectively increasing real-world distance. I think many golfers tend to think of off-center misses as something way out on the toe or a low heal clank, but in terms of what has a quantifiable impact on ball speed, off-center means literally anything that isn’t dead nuts center. You miss the center, ball speed drops appreciably, but every year it’s dropping a bit less over a larger area of the face because of design improvements. You’re getting more distance because of it.

      It’s also important to keep in mind that the USGA testing, in practical terms, sets limits on ball speed only. Distance isn’t simply a matter of ball speed. Launch and spin are also significant contributors. If a given design allows the golfer to hit the ball higher with less spin, the distance will increase even if ball speed is constant. The USGA has no test that regulates the relationship between launch and spin. This is why the evolution of CG placement is so critical. If you look at where driver CG was 5 years ago compared to where it is today, the improvement is undeniable.

      Think about this: the COR rule was put in place in 1988. It was updated to use CT in 2004. Does anyone here honestly believe that drivers made in 1988 or even one made in 2004 are the same as one made in 2018? By that thinking, distance gains should have ended 14 years ago. Granted, OEMs used to oversell distance gains. While nobody has said 10 more yards! in a close to a decade, many golfers carry on as if manufacturers are still saying it today (they’re not).

      All of this is before we start talking about things like aerodynamics – if the clubhead produces less drag, you can swing it faster. More head speed = more ball speed. Apart from rules governing basic shape and dimension, the USGA does not have any rules for aerodynamic properties. Gains here are admittedly small, but even small gains defeat the argument of ‘maxed out’.

      Companies are constantly experimenting with weight. Many golfers swing lighter clubs faster. Again, more head speed = more ball speed.

      Shafts are another area that golfers overlook when making the “distance is maxed argument”. If a shaft can store more energy and deliver it to the ball at impact, you have a recipe for more distance. I believe this area is the closest we have to the next frontier in distance.

      Those last bits are why fitting is becoming a crucial part of the distance equation. Companies design for the middle of the market, but actually taking the time to get fit and thereby leveraging the right combination of all of the above to fit your game, can unlock quite a bit more distance.

      Finally, let’s cycle back to where I suggested we assume everyone hits the 257 number. That was absurd on my part. As with anything else, drivers have CT tolerances. For any production run, you have a bell curve. For most brands, only a small percentage of those that make it to retail actually butt right up against the limit. Here’s where larger brands have an advantage. They have tighter control over the factories – and many have staff who work out of the factories to help ensure quality – CT being one of those measures of quality. Small brands have less control and often greater variance from part to part. We’ve seen this in our own testing where after suspecting one head was, for lack of a better word, dead, compared to another, we sent them off to be tested by a 3rd part. What we found…different CG position and lower CT. This is the reality of production. You could get a hot one, but you’re more likely to get one that’s safely under the limit, or a complete dud.

      That’s why you’re seeing the industry shifting towards greater manufacturing consistency, and with that, consistency is becoming a greater part of the marketing story. You saw this with F8 last year. Titleist takes measures to ensure its heads are as close to the limit as they can be. The company is fond of saying that it doesn’t deliver products within tolerances, it delivers on spec. Others will follow suit in 2019.

      My point is that as consistency improves, more golfers will get drivers that are ACTUALLY closer to the limit rather than within some broad specification that could deliver anything from a driver at (and in some cases over) the limit or another that, by comparison, isn’t close. Manufacturing consistency itself is a means to increase the distance golfers experience.

      What’s important to understand is that USGA regulates only one piece of the distance equation. It’s not an insignificant piece, but it’s far from the only piece. There are a myriad of ways manufacturers are eeking out a bit of extra distance, and while I think it’s reasonable to say that short of some massive material breakthrough (like Titanium was), evolution will be plodding, the manufacturers most definitely have some room in which to work.

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      Dean

      6 years ago

      Excellent content here Tony. Unfortunate for it to be buried in the comments. This has the makings of its own article.

      Jack

      6 years ago

      Tony – awesome read. Incredibly insightful. I used to play the 910D3 and 913D3 but veered away from Titleist a little while ago (now gaming the M1), which, without me even realizing until now, was likely driven by this “industry shift” you allude to in the earlier part of your article. Thank you for sharing – well done.

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      Cory

      6 years ago

      I find the narrative that Titleist has been all about the custom fit kind of laughable at rhe club level. They’ve had the worst demo/fit cart options and programs for golf courses for quite a few years now. I ran an extensive club fitting program that won Ping Canada’s fitter of the year award (as a Callaway staff player) as I really pushed our customers to test all the best options. We couldn’t even get a full complement of demos let alone fitting equipment for people to try and had no opportunity to customize the pre packaged trial sets that were our only option. Titleist talks a big game on providing customers fitting options but doesnt back it up in real life customer/retailer situations.

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      Nick V

      6 years ago

      Cory….have to argue with that… I get fitted at St. Andrews in Aurora and the fitters have more equipment than you can imagine. It’s mind boggling the amount of TS heads and shaft options that were available.

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      TOPPAKRAT

      6 years ago

      Unfortunately for me and many others the Titleist family of Drivers has fallen into what I call the “MIZUNO SYNDROME”. As with Mizuno, Titleist over the last several years is known strictly for it’s IRONS and not it’s DRIVERS. I am glad to see that both Mizuno and Titleist have come to a reality check that the big stick has to be competitive to feed the balance of the line.

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      Stump

      6 years ago

      I loved the 975D with EI-70 shaft back in the day. I’ve slowly moved away from having an all Titleist bag.
      The article states many times that Titleist says their driver was always best if it was ‘fit’. And that is me biggest beef…the quality of ‘fit’ it takes to get the driver to fit. The fitters at the big box store, or local golf store or local golf course don’t have the knowledge and equipment to actually get the perfect fit. That leaves me driving 3 hours to get to a high quality fitting company. So that $500 driver, now costs $500 plus $100 in gas, plus $150 for the fitting. The perfectly fit driver now costs me $750 excluding any upgrade I need to the shaft.
      The other option is to try all the different drivers on the launch monitor at the local golf store and find out which one is best. If I can find a driver that gives me good numbers including more ball speed, seems like a good answer.

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      Jordan

      6 years ago

      I’m absolutely in the market for one of these. I love my 917D2 as it is incredibly accurate off the tee. I’m worried that extra 1/2 inch will inevitably make these less accurate for most. Regardless, I’m keeping my Rogue Black shaft to pop in these incase the new ones aren’t helping find fairways. Really excited about the Evenflow White 75, I just hope demo carts carry it.

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      Jeff

      6 years ago

      Great article Tony thanks for all the info on the TS drivers! I have always liked Titleist clubs, (I still game a set of 680mb irons) they definetly arent as long as some of todays power spec’d irons but im not looking for loads of distance with my irons I want accuracy and consistency and that is what the 680s give me. I am anxiously awaiting my fitting date for the TS driver on September 27th! I currently game the 913 D3 with an upgraded Tour AD DI 6 and I am looking forward to see how it performs next to the TS.

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      Walter

      6 years ago

      Way da-go Titleist, instead of making a head that works with the 45″ shaft they go the wrong way and make the shaft longer, dumb! When will these head manufacturers learn that you can’t go above the COR value already set years ago to try and increase yardage, or do they think that the average buyer is still not aware of this(well they might be right on that one, but). I think it’s still the same ole marketing lies as always. Looking at the face/head design I would think that off center hits won’t be that good as they don’t use a cup face design which actually makes the sweet zone somewhat bigger than the old way that the TS uses.

      Funny thing, I was just at the Champions Tour last week and Billy Mayfair had the Titleist bag with all the new TS head covers looking real nice in his bag. But guess what was under the driver head cover……wait for it……… an old Ping G30 head! WHAT! That’s right and I can tell you under the fairway TS headcovers weren’t TS woods either. I don’t know, maybe Billy couldn’t afford the heads just the head covers. Maybe if he’d won the tourney he could have afforded to buy them, but he didn’t win so I guess he’ll just keep playing the ole G30. Who knows how many other players are just sporting the headcovers and not actually playing the heads. I will say that Billy was sure killing that G30 though. I followed him for 18 holes and he was hitting it over 300yds every time he used it(I used my GPS shot function to get the distances). HE had no problem keeping up with Darren Clarke in the driving stat.

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      steve hamer

      6 years ago

      spend less on big adds and send out demo reps to more courses on weekends & give a two pack of balls for trying the new clubs. i have bought clubs when i saw the tent on the range & got to hit them outside.

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      Bob Lawrence

      6 years ago

      Great article about a great company that is honestly struggling to retain driver market share. My experience with Titleist goes back over 30 years. Always great sound, accuracy, feel, and decent distance. However, over the last 10+ years, I’ve been forced to replace every new Titleist driver I’ve invested in with a Ping, TaylorMade, and Callaway driver. Why? My golf course requires a drive of ~230 yards to get to the corners on several par 4’s that I wasn’t able to reach with a Titleist 917 driver… and at 70 years of age, I can reach those corners with my Epic driver plus an extra $200 for an upgraded shaft. What did I lose: great feel and sound (that was mitigated by Rogue), though also accurate and long. With the new upgraded shaft offerings, I will certainly try the new TS drivers again.

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      Nigel

      6 years ago

      I had a fitting with Titleist in these a couple weeks back (and ordered a driver today). Ended up getting fit into the TS3 with the Even Flow White. Was getting numbers comparable to anything out there with – in my opinion – the best-looking driver at address in the game.

      I think this line will be a real success for these guys.

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      DaveyD

      6 years ago

      I suspect the TS might appeal to those people in the market for a new driver, however, those satisfied with the driver they picked up in the last 1-4 years might have a problem picking up a TS that might not be an improvement over what they are now gaming. The improvements Titleist made basically brings them up into the current best performers.

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      Mike

      6 years ago

      Great job on the story. There are very few sites, if any, that covers new equipment in such detail. Keep up the great work.

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      Alex

      6 years ago

      Disappointed. Already play the 917 at 1/2 inch short, so that would be an inch short with the TS series. I don’t see an option for adding 10 grams extra weight to the head…

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      Tony Covey

      6 years ago

      All part of the fitting process. With TS3 CG weight you can go +6g over stock , and Titleist can add hot melt to make up for the rest.

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      HDTVMAN

      6 years ago

      When I began fitting I spent my own “dime” on a trip to Carlsbad to learn as much as I could from the manufacturer. Callaway and TM each invited me for a morning session with their top fitters. When I called Titleist, they suggested a day at the beach! “Sorry, we’re not interested”. I work for one of the largest golf retailers in the US, and have NEVER met or seen a rep from Titleist. As our management said, they don’t give a damn, just sell the balls. Well, I don’t recommend Titleist balls, and I will not even suggest that a customer try a Titleist club. When asked, I tell them there are better clubs and manufacturers, and move on to Ping, Callaway, and TM.

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      Tony Covey

      6 years ago

      I’d wager your story isn’t unique, but I’d also suggest it might be a good time to re-engage with Titleist. Here at MGS we’ve certainly taken notice of a culture shift of sorts. The company believes in, and is still very much committed to, the Titleist way, but my sense is the company is trying to be much more open…transparent might be a good word…in how it deals with the media, and I think that probably will extend to consumers and fitters (many of whom report that Titleist has been difficult to work with in the past).

      FWIW – Titleist offers what I’d say is irrefutably the best fitting manual in the business and the fitting I went through during my Oceanside visit was the most comprehensive I’ve ever experienced.

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      Pkc

      6 years ago

      Maybe the best manual but the worst fitting carts out of any manufacturer. Titleist fitting last year for myself was pitiful 4 to 5 different shafts to try in a stiff flex around 65-75 grams. None were current shafts, no Fujikura atmos, no graphite design, not even the old ad di which is still popular even on tour. Nothing but a bunch of board shafts or old man shafts. I like mid trajectory and low spin shafts don’t care if there’s an upcharge. Titleist has nothing to try just suggest order the driver with my current ad di shaft since my old drivers was getting better numbers. Needless to say I didn’t buy titleist. Same was true for irons, I really wanted to try the new generation of irons but they only had a 7 iron to try in anything other than the stock shaft. Again all other manufacturers can at least offer a few irons to try in a stiff shaft in more than one brand of shaft. Again titleist didn’t even have the kbs s taper or any newer kbs shaft to try only the lighter weight version of the tour. Only the strange dynamic gold shaft that’s custom for them, no real dynamic gold shafts, no s400 or even s300 just that strange light weight high flying one they stock. Why bother having custom fittings if the titleist rep comes with no options?

      Tony Covey

      6 years ago

      The overwhelming majority of OEM fitting carts contain stock product with a small to non-existent number of exotics. That stuff is largely the domain of custom fitting outfits and its largely to do with the cost involved in stocking the carts. With the exotic, the OEMs don’t get the volume pricing, so it doesn’t make much sense from a cost perspective to put it in thousands of carts across the country.

      I’d also mention that from a fitting perspective, the AD-DI is reasonably a sub 5% offering in terms of who it actually fits. It makes little sense to load a cart full of them.

      Regarding the lack of other options. Without casting any specific stones, Titleist has a rigorous qualification process for every shaft and grip it offers. They say it’s the most rigorous in the industry and while I can’t validate that with 100% certainty, I’ve done plant tours of most major OEMs and I’ve never seen anything close to what I saw at Titleist in terms of:

      1. validating the consistency and quality of every component that comes through its doors
      2 validating the consistency and quality of its own products post-build
      3. validating the consistency and quality of every component in its catalog before it makes it into its lineup.

      While I saw a couple of specific examples of products (from reputable vendors) that failed Titleist quality checks. Things like grip durability and finish quality on shafts. There’s a shaft right now that’s growing in popularity and is doing well in the custom space. I asked Titleist if they were going to offer it. The response – we looked at it and it failed every quality check we have. My takeaway from that is that if there’s a product that’s popular in the market and its in several other OEM catalogs, if Titleist doesn’t offer it, there’s probably a good reason for it, and it would be in the best interest of the consumer to take notice.

      Jeff

      6 years ago

      That is certainly not the way to gain more customers. That being said, I live in Wichita, KS which isn’t exactly golf central USA and the only major golf manufacturer’s that offer actual demo days here with staff reps are Titleist and Cobra with Titleist being the only one to offer free outdoor on the course one on one fittings for their line up of products. If you go to their website (Titleist.com) and punch in your city, state or zip code it will punch up areas closest to you and dates when Titleist reps will be doing fittings.

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      Rob

      6 years ago

      Speaking with the Titleist Reps last year, they all complained that Titleist has the worst selection of shafts to custom fit people with. Yes they offer a ton in their catalog but have none of those in any fitting carts. They preach custom fitting but don’t give their reps the tools to custom fit people to the fullest extent. Maybe that will change but I’m willing to bet that the majority of “fitters” will only have the few stock shafts listed in this article to fit people into.

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      Pkc

      6 years ago

      I found the same issue, titleist pushes for everyone to get fit but when I did the rep shows up with a handful of ill fitting shafts. All the other manufacturers had Fujikura atoms shafts and graphite design tour ad di shaft or it’s new version. But titleist had its 4 stock shafts in different weights, flexes and lengths. Callaway has fitting centers by me and they allowed me to try much more exotic shafts than even graphite design so I went with Callaway. The Callaway center had over 200 shafts for their drivers not about 20 different shafts that were really just 4 or 5 different shafts with different flexes, weights. Titleist also was the only manufacturer that shows up with one fitting iron and I’m supposed to know if I want a whole set from that one iron head. While other manufacturers have at least a long, mid and short iron if not a full set in different flexes or with changeable shafts for the head. If titleist is going to push fitting they need to have something to fit with, not the worlds smallest selection, even the Srixon rep at the fitting day had at least twice the options.

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      Mhb

      6 years ago

      A good read as always. Tony as you were fitted with a driver how did the dispersion and length compare to your current driver.

      In general i would assume that the driver length is just about the same, perhaps a couple of yards difference, but what interests me is how tight the dispersion is. Does the increasing length of the shaft increase the dispersion area?

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      Steve S

      6 years ago

      OK, I’m confused. Low and “rearward” increases launch and decreases spin? I thought moving the weight forward reduces spin?

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      Tony Covey

      6 years ago

      It’s a balancing act with the physics of spin.

      Moving CG low reduces spin because more of the club face is above the CG, creating more area for above CG impact, which produces what I refer to as happy gearing. Impact above CG reduces spin on a relative basis.

      Moving CG back can raise spin because a more rearward CG often promotes increased dynamic loft.

      In the past, OEMs vanity lofted their drivers (a 9.5 might actually be 10 or 10.5 degrees). It’s now moving the other direction where more rearward CGs allow for honest lofts or in some cases, lofts that are strong to spec.

      In a practical sense that gets you something along the lines of 9 degrees of actual loft that launches with the expected trajectory of a 9.5, but with lower spin.

      Its lower CG paired with a reduction in what I guess I’d call the translation for static to dynamic loft that creates net lower spin.

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      Nigel

      6 years ago

      Hell of an analysis – wish I could sticky this!

      Terry

      6 years ago

      I won’t pay $550 for a driver. $350 is my breaking point.

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      Fran D.

      6 years ago

      I agree. I will usually buy a previous year’s model and save a few hundred bucks. If the gains from one year to the next are only a few yards, then why bother with the newer version?

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      Berniez40

      6 years ago

      A most excellent article, and many thanks for this!
      Of course I will try a Titleist Driver. Waaaaay back in the day I bagged a 975D with the old EL-70 Shaft. That thing was the most accurate bullet ball blaster of it’s time. Like a lot of people who would live to regret it, I bought into the “Buy this new OEM from Blammo Golf Guaranteed to get you 25 more yards ” B.S., and trade my tried and true Titleist. It was several seasons before I found anything even close to as accurate as that old Titleist. I truly regretted selling it.
      I remember the last time Titleist felt the need to pony up this high of an ante during the “Size Wars” and the race to the 460cc drivers. The 983 K was fairly revolutionary for it’s time, even though it was still slightly smaller than most of its rivals. Mickelson was pounding hell out of golf balls using it—and staying in the fairway. I’m certain there is a part of him that regrets leaving Titleist behind.
      I personally hope that these two models help steer Titleist back into the bags of weekend warriors such as myself. It they can replicate the type of accuracy they had with the old 975D Fairway Finder, then I’d certainly be all over it. Thanks again for another great article.

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      JamesG

      6 years ago

      Excellent report. My son, a top junior player, hit a demo version at the home club. TS3 worked best for him. He didn’t gain much in terms of ball speed but did get slightly better spin numbers and efficiency with the TS3 over his Epic that he was fitted in to using the T1100 shaft. That being said, he gained only about 5 yards overall compared to his Epic. Is that worth the cost? I am thinking for most players the answer would be no.

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      Jimmy D

      6 years ago

      For a high level, previously well fit player, finding 5 yards might as well be a mile!! To find yardage over an already maximized output is spectacular, not to mention better numbers overall. If good swing to good swing the Titleist is better, imagine how much better the mishit will be. If a bad swing stays in play and keeps him from hitting 3 off the tee, I’d say changing is a no brainer.

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