First Look – Titleist TS2 and TS3 Drivers
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First Look – Titleist TS2 and TS3 Drivers

First Look – Titleist TS2 and TS3 Drivers

The next generation of Titleist Drivers – the TS2 and the TS3 – will make their debut this week at the US Open.

A few weeks back, Golf Channel cameras caught Jimmy Walker testing out one of the new drivers, and with the new drivers hitting the USGA Conforming Clubs list, it looks like at least a couple will make into play this week at Shinnecock Hills.

Put a new driver in play at a Major? Sure, why not. The pics we have suggest that both Justin Thomas and Jimmy Walker may do just that. In fact, sources are telling us that the majority of tour guys will put it in the bag almost immediately. The switch will be much quicker than year’s past.

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Beyond acknowledging the obvious – yes, the new drivers exist – Titleist isn’t saying much of anything about the TS line. The company is billing the US Open as the start of the rigorous validation process, but the likelihood is that what you see here is what you’re going to get later this summer or early fall when the TS makes its way to retail.

What We Know

The photos don’t provide any indication of whether or not the TS3 (the apparent choice of Titleist’s PGA Tour Staff) will be undersized like the previous D3 models, but what we can say is that it will offer Titleist’s SureFit CG Technology, while the TS2 won’t. SureFit hosel adjustability will be available in both.

Notable in both models; the Active Recoil Channel is gone.

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Not to get too far ahead of ourselves here, but this #TSProject is a massively important release for Titleist. Woods sales have declined in recent years, and an honest assessment is that 917 drivers underperformed at retail, and some would say that’s because they underperform on the launch monitor. For better or worse the majority of driver buying decisions come down a simplistic analysis of a launch monitor battle. The Titleist stuff performs well when your metric is something like Strokes Gained, but the average guy in a hitting bay is looking at one number and one number only. Let’s be real; raw distance hasn’t been Titleist’s strength in recent years.

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Rumor has it the company will be offering a longer shaft option (gotta compete on the launch monitor), but I’m most looking forward to finding out what Titleist has done from a mass properties standpoint. At one point not too long ago, Titleist offered among the most forgiving drivers in golf, but SureFit CG aside, 917 wasn’t much different from the 915, which arguably wasn’t radically different from the 913. While the industry pushed CG’s low and back, Titleist has been more or less stagnant. That’s left Titleist with drivers that are, by comparison, spinny and moderately forgiving at best. As I said, that’s not entirely bad if you’re calculating strokes gained and measuring dispersion ellipses, but for the average golfer hyper-focused on total distance (likely on his one or two best drives), it’s a tough sell.

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As it almost always does, time will tell, but here’s hoping that the change in name from 91x to TSx brings with it a shift in design philosophy. A faster, lower spinning, longer, more forgiving Titleist? It might just happen. If nothing else, you can be assured of a solid selection of real deal, aftermarket equivalent shafts as part of the stock package.

Retail price hasn’t been announced, by I’m expecting $500, though $450 is a possibility.

More info as it becomes available.

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      ~j~

      6 years ago

      Going with ‘shank’, ‘lame’, ‘not exciting’ on these. It seems like Titleist of late keep drastically missing the boat leaving drivers that under-perform. I had a 915 for awhile that I tried like hell to make work for me, including trying numerous shaft options. Hated it. Went with a 2017 M2 and immediately started pounding FW’s for both distance AND accuracy. No change in swing, same length shafts, etc. Will never go back to a Titleist driver.

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      D.A.

      6 years ago

      My 915 finds the fairway more than any driver I have played. It seems everyone is chasing ten more yards. Give me the fairway.

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      Randy Agapito

      6 years ago

      I usually pay attention to dispersion when watching Driver testings on YouTube and would make that a priority – not sure whether that’s a product of MOI, look at address (I find shape helps direct my takeaway),… That being said, I like COR and ball speed off the face which contribute to distance – again MOI seems to sneak in there. I remember testing the Epic vs my current gamer (FT-9) and determining value to upgrade, and it was apparent that retention of ball speed all over the face was improved with the Epic. Titleist clubs have been tough for me to play because I need A LOT of forgiveness in a club and a bit more positive angle of attack…

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      HDTVMAN

      6 years ago

      Give the Ping G400 MAX w/ Ping Tour Shaft a shot…highest forgiveness of any club currently on the market.

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      Dr TEE

      6 years ago

      I routinely have my driver cut down to 44.5 and almost automatically my dispersion improves, center hits and yardage improve by 5-7 yards. I also suggest replacing OEM grips with Iomic grips–tacky yet soft and firm feeling all at once.

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      HDTVMAN

      6 years ago

      I did the same cutting down the driver to 45″ and my drives have been great. Also went to the new Superstroke Extreme Comfort grips…great feel and these shouldn’t wear down like the Winn’s.

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      PUTMEDOWNFORASIX

      6 years ago

      Being the accuracy leader on Drivers is the equivalent of winning best personality at a Beauty Contest.

      Callaway, Taylor, & Ping winning the distance game. Unless Titleist can make a demonstrable case of Same-Amount-of-Distance-With-More-Accuracy, they will remain an also-ran in Driver market.

      I don’t see breakthrough tech (such as, Epic jailbreak) here — hopefully, I am missing something.

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      mackdaddy

      6 years ago

      Having put my first two Titlist clubs in my bag in the last year to great results. I will be very curious to see what these drivers bring to the grass.

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      Rod_CCCGOLFUSA

      6 years ago

      I’ve been to the past 5 PGA shows. The Titleist Demo is full of 9- degree drivers with S or X flex Shafts. The Titleist field staff is interested in only private club, single digit handicappers. Other than green grass operators are not in the Titleist orbit. One wonders where they found the average golfers to test their new game improvement clubs.

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      DougE

      6 years ago

      That’s ridiculous. With less than about 5% of all golfers being single digit handicappers, Titleist would be committing corporate suicide to target only that market. I will admit, though, that Titleist is targeted at people who CAN already play the game, at least somewhat. Certainly, super-game-improvement is not their cup of tea. But their AP1-718 irons are suitable for a 25 handicapper, down to a single digit. And, their 917 D2 driver has a huge amount of forgiveness, played by high handicappers and Tour pros alike. It’s all about the shaft. And Titleist offers some of the best “real”—not proprietary “made-for”—shaft options available anywhere, at no upcharge. There may be other manufacturers out there who make a driver that goes a few yards further for some people, right off the rack. However with a proper fitting, I’m sure there is a Titleist driver/shaft combo for just about everyone, which can mimic the distance within a couple yards of any other conforming driver on the market, yet probably with a much better dispersion ratio. BTW Titleist highly recommends NOT buying their drivers off the rack without first being properly fit. Yes, they are a golf company who focuses more on golfers playing better overall, not necessarily hitting longer. And, they’ve proven to be good at it for a very long time.

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      Lee

      6 years ago

      Yep. Been playing Titleist since 2008. Tried several others but always came back. The 917 performs well and I’m usually longer than compatriots with similar handicaps but, I use a custom shaft; makes all the difference guys.

      HDTVMAN

      6 years ago

      Agreed. I was at the PGA Show and when at Titleist and they saw I was a fitter at the largest golf retailer in the US and our store separately listed on Golf Digest’s Top 100 Fitter list, I was ignored. We cannot even get a rep to come in and do some training. They don’t care about mass merchants who sell their equipment. Because of that, I skip Titleist unless someone insists. Want to hit an AP2, I’ll put a Callaway Apex CF-16 in your hands which will blow the AP-2’s away. AP-1, here’s a G400, Rogue, or M4. Same for all their products, including balls. An arrogant company with arrogant personnel. By the way, Jim Nance doesn’t push Titleist for nothing…$$$.

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      ~j~

      6 years ago

      You confirmed most of my suspiciions. If I can rip myself away from the Vokey’s I’d be Titleist free finally.

      Big Bazooka

      6 years ago

      Active Recoil Channel seems to have gone. Will fairway woods and hybrids follow suit?

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      Mike

      6 years ago

      I still use a Ping G 20 driver. It’s down the middle, averaging 280, forget all this other mess having to adjust, tweak, reshaft….etc. Either you can hit it or you can’t…. Bottom line.

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      Berniez40

      6 years ago

      I am excited to see these, and hope they live up to the hype. I recently re- shafted my 2016 M2 in order to help her keep up with everyone’s new latest and greatest for a couple of more years. She’s the best driver I’ve had in many moons. I’ve held onto this on because it reminds me of another great driver I once had.
      Waaaay back in the day, I had an old Titleist 975D with the iconic EL-70 Shaft. That thing was a fairway finder, and like a fool I bit the Distance Hook. I had a lot of “Good” drivers after that, but not another truly “Great” driver until 2 years ago.
      If these live up to the hype they will definitely find a spot in my bag.

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      Jordan

      6 years ago

      Took me a bit of maturing to realize that all I need to hit is a fairway, and if I hit 280 consistently instead of hitting one or two 300+, then thats all i can ask for. I’ll probably be keeping my 917. Most accurate driver i’ve ever hit, so why change.

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      Sud

      6 years ago

      I was a big fan of the 910 and the 913. But as much as I wanted to like them, I found the newer models to be spinny and not more forgiving then an M2/M4. Also they don’t sound or feel as nice. Currently playing g400 max which is a special club. this is how the new D2 (or T2) should be. As forgiving as any driver I’ve ever hit and very respectable spin #s in the 2300-2700 range. Sound/feel is good not great but well worth the sacrifice as the on course performance is a notable upgrade. 6 HC 102-106 mph swing speed. I’m not a ping guy so if Titleist can come even close to this club it’s going in the bag.

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      HDTVMAN

      6 years ago

      LOL. I had the 910 with a Diamona Red & now have the Ping G400 Max in the bag. Time for some updated technology and this works. Fitted at the PGA Show with the Ping Tour Shaft. Everyone who hits it likes it.

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      Michael Constantine

      6 years ago

      After a terribly inaccurate 2 seasons with the XR 16 from Callaway I put an old 910 D3 into my bag this year with the old PX 7C3 shaft. Presto, monster right to left was immediately tamed. So I did the same in my 3 wood with a 910F PX 8C4 and presto! Deadly accurate off the tee box. So I did the same in my hybrid and presto! Same results. Newer and longer isn’t better. It’s sad that I fell into the trap for many years while my dispersion suffered. Struggled to break 90 all year and was ready to give up. Shot 78 first round with all 3 clubs in the bag. Nice to be able to control shots. For the record the 716 CB are in the bag as well and beat the crap out of the JPX 900 Forged for a spot in my bag. Sexier, better feeling, more forgiving with better spin. Like throwing darts. The T7 Wedges however are pure magic and kicked the Vokeys out of my bag.

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      golfraven

      6 years ago

      Bring Titleist back, yeah! Remember don’t follow the hype. Want to be a player, play Titleist ?

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      Jack

      6 years ago

      Yeah I do love my T7 wedges. Great shape and finish (got the silver satin ones) and I feel great about any shot inside 110 with these.

      Titleist irons are the real deal. I think their irons are their strongest suit. Wedges people love too but I don’t think there is a huge difference there. Putters of course are a successful monstrous marketing machine. Woods have always been a little unspectacular. But that’s what they always have been though. Solid gamers.

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      ~j~

      6 years ago

      Easy on the 900-Forged Tours~! A year with those makes all the other irons look like shovels.

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      Michael Constantine

      6 years ago

      I’m not bashing the 900 Forged. Honestly they are superb! But the 716 CB are just as forgiving, better looking at adresss and have a more solid forged feel. Oh and even with much weaker lofts they are right there in distance all things equal when comparing heads of different lofts rather than the number on the sole.

      DougE

      6 years ago

      Generally speaking, Titleist has never been all about distance. Accuracy (and quality) is what makes the difference for better players. And IMO, Titleist has proven itself to be at or near the top of the class in that category. There is no more respected brand in golf than Titleist. And, claiming ridiculous distance claims was not necessary to get it to that lofty position. That’s just not who Titleist needs to be. If you are only worried about distance, maybe Titleist isn’t for you. If you want quality-built, highly-accurate clubs, from a long-standing, top-of-the-line golf company, one with a level of customer service at the top of the industry, Titleist is where you go. If you want something only close, that offers 2-3 yards more distance, go elsewhere. It’s as simple as that. And again, I began this comment with, “Generally speaking.”

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      ~j~

      6 years ago

      Back in the day all that may’ve been true. Now it seems they’re trailing behind TM, Callaway, and Cobra for not only driver sales, but equal respect.

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      golfraven

      6 years ago

      I hope the TS will be an epic driver because it will be in my bag for couple of years. Looking forward to the autumn.

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      Andrew Han

      6 years ago

      The TS2 looks similar to the rogue subzero/ping g400 lst. Really curious about this one, as I had the best drives with these two on launch monitors.

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      ryebread

      6 years ago

      Tony: Are any updates to the CG charts coming? I’d love to see where everything sits now vs some “older” greats.

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      Al H

      6 years ago

      Installed a bud’s Titleist 913 AXis 75X shaft in a Mizuno GT180, and picked up minimum of + 15, usually 20 yards !

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      BIll

      6 years ago

      15-20 yds? Really????

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      Jack

      6 years ago

      Maybe he mean relative to his persimmon driver?

      Alex

      6 years ago

      Well, if the original shaft in the GT180 was ill-suited for his swing, and Axis 75X shaft allows him to deliver club-head to produce better contact – it makes sense. It’s a relative gain.

      benseattle

      6 years ago

      I checked out the Titleist “on sale” rack at my local big-box Puetz store in Bellevue near Seattle. All of last year’s drivers marked down from $500 to $400. Wow… what a “deal.” Not sure why anyone would spend that kind of cash on a less-than-exciting product when something new (and presumably better) is just around the corner. But of course, if you LOVE last year’s offerings from Titleist, well, your moment has arrived!

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      Matt

      6 years ago

      Just wondering if the new Titleist used the so called “ jail break “ technology in the head or is it just the shaft ?

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      BurkeAliciouS09

      6 years ago

      I am pretty excited to see these clubs. I am currently in the market for a new driver. I assume you can get a 917 on a pretty sweet deal now… don’t know if it is worth the wait or not! Any thoughts?

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      HDTVMAN

      6 years ago

      I’d look at the Ping G400 Series, Callaway Rogue, and M3. The 917, as with previous Titleist drivers, lacked in distance and forgiveness. I hit every driver at the PGA Show, and the Ping G400MAX with the Ping Tour shaft is in my bag. You need to go to an outdoor demo day hitting with Trackman or an equivalent monitor, and see what fits you best.

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      10shot

      6 years ago

      I would second HDTVMAN statement. I have 917 sitting in the basement. Still hit’n my R1 Taylormade, next year it may need to be replaced. It’s starting to show it’s age

      Ant D

      6 years ago

      Well jus ordered a 917 after a couple of fitting sessions as needed a new Driver now…. Although I need the extra yards I can’t justify the current high end prices… I’d rather have a lesson to get those extra yards…

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      Golfinnut

      6 years ago

      I myself cannot wait for these! Especially if they are boasting Distance!

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      joro

      6 years ago

      Boasting distance is easy, getting it is not. I have been hearing about an extra 20 yards for 60 yrs, but where is it. One thing for sure, they have to keep the money coming and boasting distance is the best way to do that.

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      HDTVMAN

      6 years ago

      Just remember, the USGA tests all clubs and there is a maximum in all areas of performance allowed. Every club manufacturer has every point covered to the max, so don’t believe every marketing paragraph you read, as the writers are hired to make you believe their clubs are the longest and most forgiving. you’ve got to test it on a monitor. I fit a customer Saturday who was hitting a new 7 iron 145 yard, and setting up on the toe. I taped the face to show him, which he didn’t realize, and helped set him up correctly. Now the 7 was flying 160+ because he was center-cut! The problem is not always the club!

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      RCAMPER

      6 years ago

      ^^^This. This right here.

      Kansas King

      6 years ago

      Great comment HDTVMAN. I can’t wait till a manufacturer puts in a 44″ shaft vs the common 45″ – 46.5″ in their stock drivers. I think distance will increase and accuracy will increase by orders of magnitude. But sadly, they probably won’t because people blindly look at a launch monitor which will probably shows faster ball speeds but will entirely miss the point on consistency or ignore it.

      I would love to see MGS do a test with a group of people using a launch monitor on different days (lets say 3 Saturdays for 3 weeks) with the same club. Just to see how much they change over time and if getting fit in one session can actually be accurate. I have talked to a number of people at my club this year that went back to previous year woods or drivers even though they were fit on a launch monitor. The tend to “spray” shots with the clubs that are “optimal” based on the launch monitor. This is with people that had various manufactures complete their fittings, not just the same person.

      HDTVMAN

      6 years ago

      Kansas King is soooo correct. When I sell drivers, depending on the hitting characteristics of the buyer, I will put a 44.5″ shaft in the demo to see the results. I always want to order a driver because if it is shortened at all, the weight will be correct from the factory, and I can order the correct grip, regular, mid, or jumbo. Every driver is approx 45.5″ with a regular grip! Remember, cut 1″ and lose 6 swing weights! The you have to use lead tape. I believe that you always order to fit properly, unless you are perfectly standard in lie, shaft length, and grip.

      Rick Lefebvre

      6 years ago

      Agrre on PGA rules for driver heads. Just got fitted for D917 vs my
      D913, at first couldnt get an extra yard out of it. Then Titleist fitter
      Played with the shafts and the two weights at the bottom of the head. I then got 17-20 yds more. I am 67 and always play a stiff shaft because I push left with regular shaft. He got me into a regular shaft by playing with the weights and I hit them straight.
      Its all about the fitting and it takes awhile sometimes

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