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Be Heard for Real: Take the MyGolfSpy Distance Survey

Be Heard for Real: Take the MyGolfSpy Distance Survey

Last week, as part of their Distance Insights Project – a joint effort to study the past, present and future impacts of distance in golf – the USGA and R&A asked golfers to participate in a distance survey.

Many of you felt (and I agree) the survey was too long and polluted with questions designed to elicit the answers necessary to justify a foregone conclusion. Namely, distance is a problem that impacts all golfers and threatens the future of the game. The USGA and R&A are poised to take your feedback and do something to address the problem, even if it means you and the other 99.99% of golfers who don’t play at a professional or elite level will lose yardage because of it. Sometimes we all have to take one for the team.

For us, there were two issues with the survey. Firstly, many of the questions were, for lack of a more elegant term, garbage. Phrasing, in many cases, was suspect. It’s the sort of thing to which TV lawyers object on the grounds of leading the witness.

The second issue is that we’re fairly certain the USGA and R&A have no plans to publish the full, unfiltered results for all golfers to see. If you’re going to ask for the opinions of your constituency as part of the basis for a significant rule change, we think it’s reasonable to put those results out there for everyone. That’s exactly what we’re going to do.

We Fixed It

Before anyone tackles the distance problem, we wanted to solve the survey problem, so we fixed the USGA and R&A Survey.

We’ve eliminated some questions, left some alone, cleaned up others, added ones we think need to be asked, and just for good measure; we threw in a leading question of our own to get you to think about how a rollback might impact the courses you play.

We know its a big ask, but we hope that you’ll take 10 minutes out of your day to take the survey (again). We’re going to leave it open for two weeks. Once it’s closed, we’ll publish the results for everyone to see.

This really is your chance to be heard (and seen) on golf’s distance problem.

As an incentive, anyone who inputs their email address at the end of a completed survey will be entered to win a dozen 2018 Callaway ChromeSoft Golf balls.

Click here to take the MyGolfSpy Distance Survey.

 

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      Sam

      6 years ago

      Forget the ball. Take the driver away from the pros. But we can’t do that can we, because the golf industry thrives on selling us drivers most of us hit very poorly.

      Reply

      DL

      6 years ago

      This is going to be very interesting and is why I like this website so much. Keep it up MGS!

      Reply

      Jay

      6 years ago

      Check this out for a guy (Lucas Herbert) that just came second on European PGA tour last week – he hit 4 different combinations of new and old ball plus new and old drivers.
      https://youtu.be/uMCUplptnCQ

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      lazy

      6 years ago

      https://www.golfdigest.com/story/dustin-johnson-hit-jack-nicklaus-old-1-iron-and-persimmon-driver-really-really-far
      It doesn’t say what ball but I imagine it’s a modern ball. You’re right though they should have used a balata ball would have made a better comparison. I did used to play a balata ball with tiny steel Mizuno Astrons and I did used to drive it as far maybe further. But I was 20 years younger.

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      El

      6 years ago

      Just madness to apply ball or club restrictions aimed at pros to the rest us.

      Ridiculous that the USGA can’t understand that.

      Reply

      Corbin

      6 years ago

      I disagree. I like that there is one set of rules for golf.

      Reply

      Andy

      6 years ago

      Agreed, that’s why golf courses have shorter tees. Now if people who could only drive the ball 180 yards would stop playing from the tips we would be fine.

      Brian

      6 years ago

      Totally agree.

      Have a set of rules dictating elite level tournament play, but leave those rules out for the rest of us. Weekend golfers hardly follow them anyway.

      Golf is hard enough as is; we’re spending money to play a game. Why make it arbitrarily harder when the majority of golfers don’t even break 100.

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      lazy

      6 years ago

      A few weeks ago there was a video of Dustin Johnson hitting Jack Nicklaus’ old Persimmon 1wood 290 carry 318 total, and he said he could have hit it harder but he didn’t want to break it. So that tells me everything I need to know.

      Reply

      Steve S

      6 years ago

      Can you post the link to it? I’m sure he wasn’t hitting a balata ball. They spin like crazy and would not have gone as far.

      Reply

      Johnny Penso

      6 years ago

      Doesn’t tell us what we need to know so why not share the secret? What kind of ball was it? What was the dispersion like? What did it tell you?

      Reply

      Steve S

      6 years ago

      I think if the USGA rolls the distance back for the rec golfer then I think that someone will fill the need for “illegal” equipment because it’ll be a much bigger market need than now.

      Reply

      NevinW

      6 years ago

      I basically said what I said for the real USGA survey. The is going too far and too straight for the PGA touring professional. It has taken some of the skill away and made putting more of the deciding factor. Driver/wedge into every 500 yard par 4 is boring. For the amateur, the modern equipment is great. I hit the ball as far now in my 60’s as I did in college. Bifurcation is the answer just like in baseball.

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      Mike McC.

      6 years ago

      My 2 cents: USGA; freeze the COR/CT restrictions for clubs & balls now for PGA Tour. Those who aspire to play there will use that equipment as they compete at lower levels. The rest of us: increase COR/CT restrictions for clubs & balls. Benefits: 2 tiers of equipment/Pro & recreational/new equipment frontier; more fun for recreational golfers. Recreational “distance” will not make courses obsolete, only possibly play different tees.

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      Graham Riley

      6 years ago

      This whole discussion is flawed because of the difference between tour players and your average run of the mill club player – like putting me at a HC of 12 (68 year old) against Jordan Spieth or DJ………. seriously.
      If DJ can hit 400 yards, so what. If the powers that be want to stop players whacking the ball 400 yards change the course layout to make them play to maybe 250 to 280 yards with a slightly restricted fairway onto a dogleg that continues about 150 yards. Now they have to restrict the drive (themselves) and then play a decent iron shot (and both these are then based on accuracy and distance control) to the green then it comes down to their putting – all of those skills would then be the benchmark of a truly great player not someone who can bomb it – what the hell does that prove???
      Now for the average golfer off slightly shorter tees that same course can be a good tester – 225 to the dogleg, still 150 to the green and still have to putt…….. that would work for most players, tour or amateur.

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      TR1PTIK

      6 years ago

      I like the idea of freezing COR/CT limits where they’re at now and I’ve had the same thought before. Not sure increasing those limits for amateurs really matters though unless we’re talking competitive use. There are plenty of non-conforming clubs that golfers can purchase to have more “fun” on the golf course if distance is all that matters to them.

      Hey MGS! How about a Most Wanted list for non-conforming drivers?!!!

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      JLS

      6 years ago

      I mentioned this in my response but a big part of the problem is that the PGA tour travels to courses where the strategy is to hit the ball as far as possible (Torrey Pines). If they travel to courses where there’s more strategy and the course forces players to make a decision on the tee so they have to pick a line and their landing area rather than just bomb away you have largely addressed the problem. Look at Birkdale, or many of the Sand Belt courses in Australia for an example of this. Geoff Ogilvy is a vocal critic of the courses the PGA tour plays and he has a keen eye for architecture. In any case if you do this longer players still have their distance advantage but it doesn’t necessarily put shorter players at a disadvantage relative to the ability to score. Just making courses insanely long doesn’t matter, Erin Hills was 8,000 yards and those guys still chewed it up. If they’re in the fairway with a 4 iron or 9 iron it doesn’t really matter. If they have to make decisions, maybe play away from some pins and play thoughtfully rather than just hit the ball as hard as they can then you’ve restored the game to require players think about how they approach the golf course.

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      don

      6 years ago

      My position is simple, Just like every other sport. If better athletes run faster the records go down. They get better, lighter shoes the records go down. In golf we FORCE par on elite golfers then ruin the game for the amateurs by claiming we all should play the same game. Not true by the way cause if we tried to maintain the green and fairway speeds they trick pro events up to our course would die in months. If elite golfers shoot 54 then so be it. At least then we know exactly how much better they are.

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      TJ

      6 years ago

      I completely agree with this. The bigger and stronger athletes in any professional sport always have an advantage. No matter what they try to do the longer hitters will still hit it longer whether if it’s with a driver or a 4 iron. Removing distance will only speed up the process of golf’s death.

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      Johnny Penso

      6 years ago

      Do you have some evidence that today’s players swing any harder than the top players like Nicklaus and Miller and Palmer did in their prime? If you look at athletic records over the last 40 years you’ll see at best 3-5% improvements. How does that compare to golf?

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      robert charland

      6 years ago

      The golf ball go’s to far

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      Matt

      6 years ago

      While the original survey may not have been great, I don’t necessarily think the survey was any better here regarding the following.

      “Phrasing, in many cases, was suspect. It’s the sort of thing to which TV lawyers object on the grounds of leading the witness.”

      There were leading questions in this survey as well, just leading the other way.

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      jimmytim

      6 years ago

      Agreed!

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      Tanksfurnutin

      6 years ago

      I agree with you Matt.

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      chrisk

      6 years ago

      I agree as well, but toward the end it seemed like you got to be able to put in your own .02 worth. The pro game is the only thing that needs regulation, everything else is fine imho. And i think the pro game would be OK too if they just made accuracy more rewarding. There’s just generally not enough penalty when they bomb it 320 and they’ve missed the fairway (on TV some courses do penalize, and those are the most interesting matches to watch)

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      steve hamer

      6 years ago

      we will see the results this week. setup is suposed to take big hitters advantage away. we will see.

      Jay

      6 years ago

      You hit the nail on the head Chris K. The Pro game has evolved to a point now where they are reducing the top courses to not how they were designed and the skill level of hitting driver wedge isn’t like when Greg Norman or a young Tiger used to hit a driver or Nick Price used to hit an iron. There are 2 games now and something needs to be dialed back so we can see how good Dustin Johnson or Brooks Koepka is with a 4 iron in his hand instead of just hitting wedge on par 4’s or 7 irons in on par 5’s. For me its an architecture issue which could be solved with a rolled back ball for tour players and i also firmly believe the DJ’s of this world would adapt and still be one of the best players due to his skill but the guys below less so who are reliant on bombing and wedging in.

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