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Be Heard: Take the USGA and R&A Distance Survey

Be Heard: Take the USGA and R&A Distance Survey

The USGA wants to know what you think.

You’ve heard the rumblings. The ruling bodies are concerned golf has a distance problem. Tour Pros are hitting it too far. You might be hitting it too far. Classic courses are being rendered obsolete (even if the ones you play aren’t).

Is it the ball? Is it the equipment? Is there even a distance problem to begin with?

Those are the meaty questions in a longer-than-it-needs-to-be survey recently published by the USGA (and R&A). Surviving several pages worth of demographic questions earns you the privilege of telling the USGA what you really think about the current state of the game.

What makes golf worth watching? What aspects of the game are most important? And of course, is distance is an issue and if it is, what’s the cause?

The subtext of the questions focuses on whether or not new rules need to be put in place to roll it back – whatever the particular it or its prove to be.

We’re inviting perspectives and opinions from the global golf community because we recognize the topic of distance is one that potentially impacts us all in some capacity,” said Mike Davis, CEO of the USGA. “This is the best opportunity for people to share their thoughts and data with us. We know a final Distance Insights report that reflects a breadth of perspectives will be critical to deepening an understanding of the complex nature, and far-reaching implications, of this subject matter.”

The USGA and The R&A will also accept relevant original or commissioned data and research directly related to distance via email until Dec. 20, 2018. Individuals or organizations may also request to present their data in person. The Distance Insights email address, as well as terms and conditions regarding the submission of research and data, can be found here.

There’s no guarantee that this is a majority rules situation and the USGA isn’t under any obligation to actually take the feelings of the average/recreational golfers that make up the overwhelming majority of the golfing population to heart. That said, if you don’t speak up, there’s zero chance you’ll be heard.

The survey is open to anyone until October 31, 2018.

Click here to take the survey.

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      KCLeo12

      6 years ago

      I don’t think equipment is the biggest factor in the increase in distance. I think the fitness levels and understanding of how to create efficient power in the golf swing is the biggest factor. Players and coaches today use the technology to understand where power is produced and LOST in a golf swing more now than they ever have before. The ability to use things like Gears or K-Vest to find the points in your swing where you leak power is incredible. 97% of the players dont untilize or have access to this technology and if they do have access is unaffordable for the average golfer.

      Reply

      Andrew Han

      6 years ago

      Just having a smartphone and stand is a huge tech boost. You can really pin point where the mistakes come in play. I learned my swing from Rotary Swing Tour, and video self and coach analysis was a huge part of my golf swing improvement.

      Reply

      vast123

      6 years ago

      To me there was not enough ways to provide input to alternatives, to whit: If distance isn’t the problem, what is the problem? If, for example, people who didn’t feel need to only hit Pro V1s and hit them out of bounds only to spend 5+ minutes after each hit looking for their $6 golf balls the game would be less intimidating for newcomers and less time consuming for all.

      Reply

      Doug

      6 years ago

      The outcome and conclusions already determined before the inputs are gathered, nice. Tony, what % of golfers are considered elite? Further to that, what % of those of those non elite players have distance vs. dispersion issues.

      Reply

      Jimw

      6 years ago

      Do basketball goals need to be higher? Maybe the hoop is too wide? Let’s make tennis balls heavier and rackets smaller. Geez. The top tier of players today in all sports are better conditioned and trained than those of yesterday. That however does not necessitate changes. To state the obvious, The average golfer is not at that (pro) level. At 62, my distance is not much different than 52 or 42. I am just an average (weekend) golfer Why the same? Better clubs and balls and the fact I’ve been working on improving my golf swing over the years. No longer slice the ball like I used too. On one of the instruction channels I saw someone compare a 1998 Ping driver to a 2018 Ping driver. Distance difference (with same balls) was about 20 yds. I don’t think balls from 20 yrs ago fly as long as today’s either. That does not mean there is a problem. If I were 20 or 30 yards shorter today today, I think you’d find my clubs in a yard sale. One more lost customer for a sport by all accounts I read that is loosing them right and left. The game is tough enough USGA for us average guys and gals trying to simply make a par here and there. People are not leaving the sport because they can hit farther (or just as longer).

      Reply

      don

      6 years ago

      I agree why is golf the only sport that thinks they need to make the course longer if the players get better. As players got better the score of basketball games went higher and people love it. Why do we need to trick up the courses for pros to try to push them backwards to par. If they shoot 54 so be it. Then we all know exactly how much better they are.

      Reply

      Andrew Han

      6 years ago

      Exactly! Why would I want to spectate on professionals that shoot the same as me? I want to see how good a human can excel in a sport with the same conditions. See how far they can take it. This inspires me. I wrote this in the survey.

      If the pros are shooting the same as I am, why am I watching when I can be competing and making a living. This seems like an ego thing more than a concern for the growth of the sport.

      Johnny Penso

      6 years ago

      Great analogy…..other than the fact that NBA ppg peaked in 1985 and is nowhere near that level today. Basketball is not golf. Golfers have benefited tremendously from equipment technology that isn’t available to NBA’ers so it isn’t an apples to apples comparison.

      Reply

      Brad

      6 years ago

      I took the survey, but the USGA and R&A seem to be hell-bent on reducing distance by screwing with the ball. A SERIOUS case of confirmation bias.

      In any case, I stated the highly logical case that the best way to fix the “distance problem” they are bellowing about is to fix course setup on the tour by (1) softening up the fairways so they aren’t as fast as an airport runway (2) place more hazards where they will more affect the super long-hitters, and (3) let the rough grow up a bit so off-line shots are more penalised. Damn simple, but these blinking idiots are going to do their best to wreck the game, no doubt about about.

      Reply

      Joe

      6 years ago

      Good common sense ideas Brad, but USGA and (I presume) the R&A don’t have any say in how the PGA Tour and the European Tour set up the courses on a weekly basis. To a large extent, what we are witnessing is a power struggle. The PGA Tour is a traveling road show and their charge is to put on a great golfing event and show each and every week, and the USGA is a self appointed (say it withs lots of echo and reverb) <> with way too many governing members that have a nostalgic “thing” about preserving their distorted concept of what golf’s historical continuity should be about. In their case, they are predominantly concerned about the historical continuity of ‘The Great Tournaments’ and what they think that historical continuity should be and look like. . . and the PGA Tour knows that all kinds of people show up and pay good money mainly to watch guys hammer the ball 300 plus yards.

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      KCWolf

      6 years ago

      You nailed it Brad and besides…I hit the ball just as far with my 90’s driver as I do with my more modern Ping driver, for most amateurs anyway the short game is where you will gain the most strokes. Golfers are just more athletic today then they were even 20 years ago let alone 50 years ago.

      Reply

      Xav

      6 years ago

      The WGC event in Mexico City is a good example of this. No overly long, narrow, well place hazards. Given the penalizing nature of the course accuracy is a must and raw power and length is a far more risky proposition. This puts a premium on strategy and shot selection.

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      James Williams

      6 years ago

      I played a guy in his 70’s yesterday, he had a putter which was at least 60 years old and could barely bend down to pick up his ball. I out drove him by 50 yards & I had a bag of modern equipment and he still beat me because his short game was annoyingly good.

      Golf already takes a long time to complete, honestly, by the time I travel to the course, warmup, play 18 holes, you’re looking at an EASY 6 hour investment which is really quite a problem because in that time, you can’t do anything else and that’s a long time for anyone to be out of the house.

      If anything I am looking for ways to make the game quicker.

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      Johnny Penso

      6 years ago

      Not sure what took longer – the round of golf I played today or that survey.

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      mackdaddy

      6 years ago

      Thanks for sharing this!

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      Deepak

      6 years ago

      distance is not so important keeping the ball in the fairway, certainly is. Trying to get distance lot of good player’s have got their game messed up. Golf is a game of acute temperament and coolness, under pressure whatever good shots you hit gets you home. Relax and enjoy the game….don’t just get carried away by some other thoughts.

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      Duffy McHackster

      6 years ago

      Read the comments, not even going to look at the survey. I personally would rather see course modifications, (narrower fairways, more penal rough closer to fairways, add hazards to the landing areas to force more layups), than legislating broad rules since the problem (if you view it as such) only applies to the top 1% of players. That said, if they steal some distance from the pros, they could send some of it my way.

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      Will

      6 years ago

      Took survery; too many general questions, did not address what differences in equiptment could be made to Tour Players, which would not affect the average player. You could list them in comments, but how many will be read? Take away the cavity backs from the Pros & let them hit blades; also preclude them from hitting 460cc drivers & keep it about 360cc. Maybe even restricting the distance ball travels the Pros are permitted to use. The average player should not be affected by any equiptment restrictions…

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      Phil

      6 years ago

      I answered 20 questions and got bored and stop. What idiot creates such a long survey?

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      Stump

      6 years ago

      I took the survey and told them distance is not a problem. I doubt it will do any good. I’m sure they’ve already got the report written for the outcome they want. The survey was definitely designed to get the result they want: distance is evil…roll the ball back, roll the clubs back, keep the fairways firm, etc.

      Reply

      Brandon

      6 years ago

      Golf is supposed to be fun. Hitting the ball a long way is fun. End of story.

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      Andrew

      6 years ago

      Done.

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      deejaid

      6 years ago

      The problem in amateur golf isn’t just distance, but accurate distance. Guys try to hit it 300 yards but can’t hit a fairway, so now it’s 100 yards across an adjacent fairway. Of course they are in a cart and their riding partner is 200 yards in the other direction. Back and forth across fairways all day long leads to the 5 hour rounds.

      Dial back the driver heads to 300cc, 43” Max length and watch how many more guys are in the short stuff and with minimal distance loss.

      More fun for everyone and a round can be finished in less than four hours.

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      Andrew

      6 years ago

      Shortening the shaft would help accuracy, but knocking 160cc’s off of driver heads would be a disaster!

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      Matt Aamold

      6 years ago

      “…but knocking 160cc’s off of driver heads would be a disaster!”

      Guess you’ve never hit a 3 wood off the tee ?

      RSeg

      6 years ago

      In most sports the difficulty is provided by the opponent, in others it’s time and in other sports, pros and amatuers just dont “play” the same courses (downhill MTB). If you can not make courses just for pros, make THEM hit it shorter with special clubs or balls but not us.

      If you see 1 specific player, their distance has not risen much, its the new players coming up bombing it and the older players coming off tour what drives averages up

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      joro

      6 years ago

      Distance is like Cars, Everyone wants to be longer and faster. It is in my opinion not that great because distance requires longer courses, more maintenance and higher fees, plus it kills the shorter players. Just like Cars again, faster is more dangerous and for what? Bring is back to sensible, 355 is way too long to hit a Ball. Now 7600 yds is not too long for some of these guys, but way too long for normal people and makes the “game” no fun.

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      Berniez40

      6 years ago

      Sorry if it seems as if I am agreeing with a lot of people and not adding a whole lot to the comments, but the fact of the matter is, most of us spotted the obvious lack of transparency in the insanely biased line of questioning.
      This is how overly self-important regulatory government bodies run things so that they can force their current agenda down the collective throats of the body which they regulate. –“Oh yes–we ran several studies, and asked thousands of opinions. This is what you guys told us you wanted.”—I never told then I wanted square grooves to go away. I never told them I thought Belly Putters were cheating. …AND—I sure as hell haven’t been whining about distance.
      That is why it is so important for you to finish this survey—read between the lines—and answer the questions. Too many of us have worked too hard for what little distance gains we’ve made. For Pete’s SakeUSGA— don’t take that away. …Besides, when one of the big bombers on tour steps up and slaps one out there on TV it’s good for ratings. Big Bombers still need to sink the ball in less strokes than the opposition, and distance, though an advantage–does not in and of itself win a tournament.

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      Kenny B

      6 years ago

      Why has driving distance increased for all tours but the LPGA?

      Who hits their 7i 300 yards? Why was that even a choice?

      There is no distance problem for the pros or anyone else. Distance has increased because of better player fitness and course conditions. Long distances make for good TV and helps OEMs sell products; follow the money.

      If the tours want to cut back distance and thereby lower scores, they could. Narrow and soften the fairways; eliminate the 50 yard roll-out. When the classic courses were built, the architects didn’t envision firm, fast fairways. Make the rough more penal; they do for the US Open. Why? To make driving accuracy a premium. If someone hits the ball 320+ yards in those conditions and wins, it’s well deserved.

      Just leave my ball alone.

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      Plaidjacket

      6 years ago

      Kenny…. you took the words right out of my mouth. I too took the survey and course setups were my main input also. I’d love to see the pros play a more realistic game. As it is now all they really need to carry is a Driver, Wedge, and Putter. At worst case they shoot even.

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      Stormin

      6 years ago

      Hi, oh I really don’t know what all the fuss is all about. It’s just modern gear, I’m 63 and I’m hitting the ball over 300 yards something I have strived to do for ages, it makes me feel good the courses I play can take it. Try hitting a ball straight in a wind of 43 to 46 mph like we have been having just lately then again I hit the ball almost the same with a 3 iron and that was before the M1 and 2 came out so its modern day stuff and of course if one keeps themselves fit in the gym etc course they are going to be hitting the ball further, really course don’t need to do anything but they don’t care anyway it’s all called cash to them.

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      don

      6 years ago

      As I got over 50 my distance declined and I for the 1st time truly understood those who didn’t hit it as far. How the game is less fun when your 20 or 50 yds behind your playing partners even when you take their money. I went out and traded my blades for longer clubs and joined your site to find a better 3w and driver. I see how far most of my students hit the ball and truly understand the issues we are going through as we too renovate our course to catch up. Here are my top 3. things courses can do. 1. Slower fairways to cut back on roll but narrower to keep the challenge. 2. Rough that is challenging but not so deep that you can’t find your ball. 3. Bunkers with drainage that sit lower so balls run into them. On the equipment side a lighter ball. This doesn’t make everyone buy new equipment just a new ball they were going to have to buy anyhow. A lighter ball will actually fuel the equipment industry to find ways to make it go further.

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      don

      6 years ago

      By the way a lighter ball won’t affect slower swing speeds hardly at all, the guys who hit it a fair distance will only need to make small adjustments, but the guys who hit it a mile will definitely know it.

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      joro

      6 years ago

      You are right, 50 is the age you start to slow down and start trying to make it up. Believe me, I went by there 29 years ago and it changes your whole game, or should. Look at Phil M,. he has to slow it down, but the frustration is overpowering him.

      Spitfisher

      6 years ago

      Don, Change tees, yeah swallow your pride and change tees, bring back the fun. Changing tees is a lot cheaper than wholesale changes to your equipement.

      next slowly but surely migrate over your equipment to accommodate your eventual slower swing speed and accuracy.

      Reply

      don

      6 years ago

      I do in practice rounds when I play with friends, but here you can’t move up in tournament or league play until your 65 so I have to wait.

      Corbin

      6 years ago

      Slower fairways hits the nail on the head for me. I hit a drive on my course I can usually see the spot my ball landed within a 10 yard radius, even with a Driver. Tour pros balls roll out for 50+ yards. They can do so much to control the distance that has nothing to do with equipment. Also I hit it as far as the top tour pros and I am not a tour pro. Golf isn’t all about distance.

      Also you can’t lower the distance of the longest hitters and not also lower the distance of the shorter hitters. You shouldn’t penalize those who take the game seriously, take fitness seriously, and have trained their bodies to hit the ball farther. You have to knock everyone back.

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      Courtney

      6 years ago

      What a ridiculously long survey – MOST of which has nothing to do with distance. It took me 30+ minutes to get halfway through and I gave up. Whoever put this thing together wasn’t thinking. People don’t want to spend an hour on a survey.

      Reply

      Ping Apologist #9

      6 years ago

      Interesting stuff. I got the sense that the questioning kind of “guided” one into thinking there is a “distance problem”, but if you don’t think there really is (and I don’t) it allowed the right answers to be ticked and some personal comments that I hope will be listened to. I need all the distance I can get! If the pros are bombing it way out there and making courses “obsolete”, then grow the rough up (or do whatever) to make accuracy more of a premium rather than distance. I for one enjoy watching those guys (and even the gals occasionally) have a shot at a “short” par-4 that’s drivable. There was one a few weeks ago that was high-risk, high-reward and it was a blast to watch. Most guys missed making very dramatic second shots.

      Distance equals fun! #powertotheplayer

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      golfinnut

      6 years ago

      I did the survey. Hope it amounts to something in the future.

      Reply

      Rob

      6 years ago

      I dont think there is a distance problem but there has been a change in distance. Sure many of us are hitting the golf ball further than ever, especially the touring pros. The changes in the balls and equipment have made that possible, as we all know. For the professional tournament I believe it is up to each course to make the course challenging to the Pros. They can achieve this by making greens harder. tighten fairways, more fairway bunkers, moving tee boxes back if possible, make the rough more difficult. There are a list of changes that can make a golf course more difficult.
      Most of us weekend warriors have enough challenges on the course, even if we are long off the tee. I personally have the distance to reach many short par fours on local courses but…….I rarely get on the green and sometimes end up out of bounds. If the golf gods want to make it really difficult for the touring pros make them play with 3 clubs while blindfolded.lol

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      Berniez40

      6 years ago

      Ditto!

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      Peterg2000

      6 years ago

      Golf has never really been about excitement but unfortunately that is the name of the game these days,
      not just for Golf but just about everything.
      We have to keep the game fun, especially for the new generation of golfers being introduced
      to the game. So we NEED the excitement to keep the game healthy.
      How many young golfers started because of Tiger, Rory , Dustin ,Bubba and many others!We have
      to keep the game fun, especially for the new generation of golfers being introduced to the game.
      We NEED people playing the sport in order to.
      Golf was never really related to excitement but these days YES!
      We need motivation to keep the game healthy and if distance helps the I’m all in!

      All they need to do is be more strategic in course design for courses Pro’s play on!
      But that’s the beauty of Golf, you can accomodate everyone with Teebox placement , hazard placement
      even pin placement.

      Now is NOT the time to tone it down!

      Pete

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      Peterg2000

      6 years ago

      LOL I thought I was posting in the main thread and didn’t see your post Rob , I could have saved some time and hit ditto as well!

      Pete

      Robert

      6 years ago

      The problem with this survey (I took it earlier in the week) is that it skews questions in a manner where no matter what answer you choose you are stating that you think there is a problem with distance.

      Reply

      Tony Covey

      6 years ago

      I completely agree. There are definitely more than a few questions which point to the participant to a selection of apparently foregone conclusions. Leading the witness and whatnot.

      Reply

      Berniez40

      6 years ago

      Ditto!

      DL

      6 years ago

      Definitely biased and leading questions in the survey. What a power struggle they have with the course setups, you can just tell they are itching to do away with ball speed.

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