Callaway’s Harry Arnett Goes Rogue, Calls Out Titleist over “Misleading and Untrustworthy” Ad
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Callaway’s Harry Arnett Goes Rogue, Calls Out Titleist over “Misleading and Untrustworthy” Ad

Callaway’s Harry Arnett Goes Rogue, Calls Out Titleist over “Misleading and Untrustworthy” Ad

Over the weekend, Callaway’s Senior VP of Marketing (and also President of OGIO), Harry Arnett lobbed a Twitter grenade at Titleist, which for the sake of context, still lays legitimate claim to being the #1 Ball in Golf™.

At least that particular Trademark reflects reality.

Harry’s tweet, which will almost certainly go down as the opening salvo in a protracted ball war, was in response to an ad Titleist ran during the Farmers Open.

Here’s the tweet

Make sure to check out the stream of replies. You’ll find a mixed bag of Titleist and Callaway loyalists defending their brands. Even Callaway Staffer, Daniel Berger, weighed-in in defense of Chrome Soft.

The specific point of contention is a couple of charts favorably comparing Titleist’s new Tour Soft golf ball to Callaway’s Chrome Soft, Bridgestone’s Tour B RXS, and TaylorMade’s TP5.

We mentioned that comparison in our recent story on the Tour Soft while pointing out that positioning the performance of a 2-piece Ionomer (at least mostly ionomer) covered ball alongside 3, 4, and 5-piece urethane balls is a bold move.

Arnett’s take is that the ad is misleading and untrustworthy; words almost certainly chosen to undermine Titleist’s message of trust. I don’t want to put words in Harry’s mouth, but given just two letters, I think he’d go so far as to call it BS.

The Titleist Defense

To its credit, Titleist lays out the basis for its claim with more detailed fine print than you’ll find in most golf ads.

In case you missed it in the video, that fine print reads:

“Driver distance results from machine testing setup condition of 140 mph ball speed, 12 degree launch angle, spin rate 2900 rpm: Titleist Tour Soft golf balls are 5 yards longer than Callaway Chrome Soft, 4 yards longer than TaylorMade TP5 and 2 yards longer than Bridgestone Tour B RXS. Tour Soft is 14 compression units softer than Chrome Soft, 15 units softer than TP5 and 12 units softer than Tour B RXS.”

By those numbers, I suppose you can make a case that Tour S is better. Certainly, the lack of a greenside spin comparison, particularly when urethane balls are part of the discussion, is a red flag, but in previous communication, Titleist has been clear about its belief that Tour Soft can hold its own around the green with those other balls.

The issue…at least Harry’s issue is that Titleist is comparing apples (urethane tour balls) and oranges (less than tour balls).

And that raises an interesting question: Fundamentally, is it reasonable, fair, honest, trustworthy, etc. to compare a 2-piece, ionomer ball to 3+ layer, urethane Tour balls? It’s a question for which the answer is more opinion than fact, but I’m certain that if MyGolfSpy made a similar comparison in a ball test, we’d get blasted – and my opinion is that we’d deserve it.

That said, I’m not entirely sure that Titleist crossed the line here. Should we make comparisons based on performance, based on layers and materials, or both? Again, answers are matters of opinion, not fact, but it’s not a comparison I’d allow to be made on MyGolfSpy unless our stated intent was to compare two unlike things.

The other side of this – likely the Titleist side – is that there is a segment of golfers who don’t much concern themselves with layer counts and cover materials. If distance and feel are the metrics that matter, then maybe it is a reasonable comparison. Materials and layers may not compare, but performance – according to Titleist – does. There are inarguably golfers who want a ball that’s long and soft, and probably cheap too. If Tour Soft is that ball, the rest maybe doesn’t matter.

Ionomer vs. Urethane – meh

2-piece vs. 3+ – also meh

Long, soft, cheap, and spinny-enough around the greens.

You guys though…

The validity of the comparison ultimately boils down to the audience. For my audience and as I’ve said, I don’t like it, and given Titleist’s positioning as a brand for serious golfers, it is, perhaps, a dubious comparison as well. My concession here is that every brand has to reach less-than-serious golfers if it hopes to succeed. Tour Soft is one avenue for Titleist to do just that.

There may also be a strategic element in this. It’s possible that Titleist is hoping to create an equivalency between its non-tour ball and its competitors’ higher-priced tour offerings with the hope that it can then market AVX as the tour-level alternative to what it has previously positioned as lesser balls.

As for Harry Arnett’s Tweet…

Followers of Harry Arnett know that he sometimes comes across as a reckless hothead; a twitter bull in the internet’s china shop. He’s been known to mix it up with competitors, followers, and most definitely MyGolfSpy staffers. I believe that Harry often shoots genuinely from the hip, but I think this one was planned. Perhaps not letter for letter or word for word, but sooner or later Harry was going to fire a shot and when an opportunity presented itself…Harry did Harry things.

There’s a case to be made he outdid himself. A conversation is being had. A timeline may have been accelerated.

There was plenty of chatter at the recent PGA Show that Callaway was going to try and make a move in the ball market, and so here you go. Callaway has cemented itself as a clear number 2 in the ball category. With Chrome Soft it has an established franchise that resonates with a segment of golfers, and it has plenty of that oft-referenced momentum that CEO’s love to talk about.

The timing is right.

As Callaway moves forward, Titleist is taking fire from all sides. Direct to consumer (both white box and balls with actual R&D behind them) are cutting into the bottom line. It’s locked up in litigation with Costco, and Chrome Soft has almost certainly forced it to play a bit of defense and design with soft in mind.

With AVX lying in wait, Titleist hopes Tour Soft can begin the process of taking back some of what it lost to Callaway, but with all the talk of Graphene infusion, Callaway certainly has the better story (your performance mileage may vary) going into 2018.

While I’m sure there are firm opinions on both sides, what remains to be seen is whether Chrome Soft can thrive with a $5 price hike. If consumers are devoted to Chrome Soft because of the way it performs, then expect the momentum to continue. If, however, consumers love Chrome Soft because it’s soft and cheap, then Titleist has a real opportunity to do some damage with its softer and cheaper Tour Soft.

Not that you asked, but I’m 50/50 on this one. Chrome Soft continues to evolve into a better golf ball, but with each iteration, it gets a little firmer, and now a little more expensive, and with that, a little more removed from what first attracted the consumer to the ball. That could prove to be problematic for Callaway. It could also prove to be nothing at all. Like I said, 50/50.

Begun, The Ball Wars Have

Whatever you think of Harry’s tweet and the resulting discussion, I can assure you this is just the beginning as Callaway looks to make a serious push towards unseating Titleist as the #1 Ball in Golf (at least at the consumer level). If it happens at all (HUGE IF) It won’t happen overnight, it won’t happen this year, and probably not next year either. Make no mistake, though; this is most definitely the beginning of a serious ball war that, if Harry Arnett’s first tweet is any indication, will be loads of fun to watch.

MyGolfSpy reached out to both Harry Arnett and Titleist. Both declined further comment.

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      Hardcore Looper

      6 years ago

      When someone can make a (mostly) ionomer ball that performs like a urethane ball, then I’ll get excited. This is still just a tempest in a teapot.

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      Rod_CCCGOLFUSA

      6 years ago

      Putting response deserves part of the attention in ball selection. Balls that don’t click are difficult to manage on lag putts. Balls that lack uniform interior balance roll off line on long putts. The surlyn cover on a well made ball may have more of an advantage than you think.

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      Brad Smith

      6 years ago

      I’m a 7 hndcp, 71 yr old with only 85mph driver speed, and a club maker. I’m also a retired engineer with a very analytical personality regarding most everything including golf! Focusing only on performance:
      •Almost all balls today will go just about the same distance when struck identically.
      •At least with irons and particularly with higher lofted irons, urethane covered balls spin more than surlyn/ionomer covers. (Not necessarily a good thing. If your approach to greens on most holes ends up short of the flag, why do you want more spin???)
      •Dimple patterns may have some impact on the maximum ball height, but I’ve never seen independent data showing which of the many different patters/counts change this much. Probably little difference.
      •Two, three, four or five layer is essentially meaningless for mortals. • What is termed “feel” or hard vs soft is a function of 2 things. The hardness of the cover and compression of the ball. Both of these factors have little impact on spin, but are what controls what we call “feel”. Feel has nothing to do with ball performance, except between your ears.

      The VAST majority of golfers are fooling themselves if they think they can discern a “performance” difference between balls (remember, “feel” is not performance), except for spin on shots to the green with high lofted clubs on urethane vs ionomer/surlyn.

      My opinion….for 99+% of golfers, choose the cheapest ball that spins the way you want around the green.

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      Bullwinkle J Moose

      6 years ago

      I’ve been a MGS member, reader and occasional writer of opinions for many years. I’m 67 so I related to what you wrote age and swing speed wise. I thought your opinion was one of the best I’ve ever read. Your opinion which may not relate to the younger members clearly stated what most seniors experience and think. Great Job!

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      Reeves

      6 years ago

      Agree, most balls go same distance, feel is compression, spin is cover…would say anyone that plays a fair game (20 or under) owes it to themselves to try a dozen urethane balls (many at reasonable prices now, MG Golf, Snell, Cut etc.) Put my 18 handicap wife into them finely and all you hear is “best ball I ever played”.

      Bob Aiello

      6 years ago

      Very good points that were well made Brad.
      The weekend / average golfer is looking for perfomance and durability
      at an affordable price

      Reply

      Stephen Pearcy

      6 years ago

      What difference does it make what the construction is?. They all look pretty much the same on the outside. What does make a difference is how they perform for you. Next time try some blind testing.

      Reply

      Wayne

      6 years ago

      I have found a ball with a Urethane cover 3 piece construction 70 compression. Super distance 5stop on dime spin. Only place have found is Wal-Mart. Sold as Taylor Made RBZ Urethane

      Reply

      Paul Taylor

      6 years ago

      Going to have to agree with Harey I think titliest is getting alittle to cocky for their own good not only in just the ball but the irons and wedges this year are very subpar….starting to see them hop out of the big four category and submit to a cobra or mizuno if they keep up bad performances in equipment.

      Reply

      labillyboy

      6 years ago

      I am just happy there are so many great balls out there today. I’ve had great rounds with all of the top brands. What’s the difference between a $30/doz and a $45/doz? $1.25 a ball… I never use more than 2 balls a round.. normally just 1… so it really makes no difference to me from a price perspective. I rarely buy balls and play whatever I win in tournaments or get from suppliers, etc.. As a 5 hcp, I just broke par on a tough track from the tips with the Chromesoft X.. first round in the 60’s in a while.. next round I used TP5x and didn’t do so well… the ball just doesn’t matter that much any more, they are all good.

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      Mike Reed

      6 years ago

      I am The Cheap Golfer and I would like to know why no one mentions the following balls. Pinnacle – $14.99/15 balls, Top Flight – $12.50/dz, Slazenger – $9.74/dz, DT Trusoft – $17.99/dz, or Costco Callaway Superhot 55 – $15.00/dz. These are all good balls and need to be recognized for they value they are. I would rather spend my money on green fees and not equipment.

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      Frank Rosie

      6 years ago

      Mike if you use 6-9 balls per round, then by all means, these are your balls. But there is a reason these balls are so cheap. It’s called performance (or lack thereof).

      Reply

      Golfwhiler

      6 years ago

      Chrome Soft is okay until I hit it along with TP5 and ProV1. All Henry’s tweet has done for me is put the Tour Soft on my radar to try.

      Reply

      Robert

      6 years ago

      Balance is more important than distance and spin rates. When I buy a dozen balls, which brand is going to be closest to being perfectly round and balanced. Test that.
      Does anyone really care about Harry Arnett’s tweets.

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      BR

      6 years ago

      Good read MGS as always. This year I am gaming the new Wilson Staff Duo/ Spin balls. I tested the Wilsons against TM, Cally, Bridestone and Titleist offerings and found no difference in my scoring. I am excited about those companies continuing to push the envelope with their technologies, etc. Maybe in future I will find the magic price/performance point with one of them. Until then its Wilson Staff for me. Looking forward some ball testing in future.

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      Nigel Turner

      6 years ago

      like callaway never mislead then lol

      Reply

      Scott Macleod

      6 years ago

      Can MGS please put up a chart with all the balls from each manufacturer over the past 3-5 years. Put them in columns that reflect where they fit in that companies list of who should play them. Some of the manufacturer (sic TaylorMade) have so many balls in their range you’d have to be Einstein to work out what ball is going to give which player the best bang for their buck.

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      Alex

      6 years ago

      I know that MGS is not big on robot testing, but the golf ball market seems like it is badly in need of some head to head unbiased robot testing. Especially when set to a variety of swing speeds, spin rates, and clubs. It would also be interesting if it the robots could be set up to hit a slice/hook and see if balls like the e6 really do fly straighter.

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      MyGolfSpy

      6 years ago

      We agree.

      Reeves

      6 years ago

      Does not matter how the robot (or Moe Norman RIP) hits them, none of us are going to be that straight. Just have to find a ball you want to play and enjoy the game….

      NEF

      6 years ago

      Count me in the group that doesn’t care about layers, chemical composition, number of dimples, etc. I measure a ball by feel and performance. Spin rate irrelevant as a bare number. All the other fine points also. A ball is used tee to green and for all shots. Which ball performs best for my game as a whole at a price point that makes sense to me. That;s how I measure a ball. The rest is smoke and illusory bragging rights. Mr. Arnett is trying to attack based on statistics that don’t matter to the huge main universe of weekend mid to high handicap golfers. For the rest of you who debate each point, it’s all ego and bragging rights. What is the total performance of the ball and the cost to achieve it? That’s how I compare and select a ball. BTW Pro V’s are not for me and I don’t delude myself into thinking I have to play an elite ball. My best performing ball consistently is the Bridgestone e6 (now family).

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      Jeff L

      6 years ago

      I’d have no problem if the Titleist ad said “longer and softer.” But they didn’t. They said “better.” That’s bogus and wrong.

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      Andy Mickelson

      6 years ago

      The new chrome soft will be a pro v1 killer. It’s got every aspect covered.

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      CJ

      6 years ago

      I have actually tried new CS X & compared with last year I don’t like it as much..it is harder..at least feels harder. I was highly enamored with 17 CS X..but I am not die hard for one brand. I do agree with article claiming higher price won’t work..at least not for me.

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      MG

      6 years ago

      I’m not sure how anyone can beat the srixon qstar tour. $30 for a urethan cover from a major manufacturer is pretty insane. I have a clubhead speed over 110 and around a 3 handicap and have no problem playing it. I’m not saying other balls arn’t better but for a non professional, there’s not much in it.

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      JOEL K GOODMAN

      6 years ago

      99% OF GOLFERS WILL PLAY THE SAME AND SCORE THE SAME, NO MATTER WHAT BALL THEY PLAY. RATHER THAN SPEND $40+ FOR A DOZEN BALLS, TAKE A LESSON. THE RESULTS WILL BE MUCH BETTER.

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      Reeves

      6 years ago

      Take a lesson, biggest joke going….more ways to hit a ball then there are ball companies by the million…anyone worried about what type ball they are using already has the talent to play better…

      Reply

      John Fatte

      6 years ago

      I’d love to see what the pros are playing that are not under contract to play a ball. I don’t pay attention to the ball being played by the pro getting paid to play that ball.

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      Ricky Quist

      6 years ago

      Titleist is the king for a reason!!!! R&d and innovation is far and above every other company. Of course they didnt make a prov1 caliber ball for pennys on the dollar but i trust them when they say the new ball will be similar enough to chrome soft. They didnt say its the best ball money can buy they came up with new technology that makes a “lesser” ball work almost as good ill buy it

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      ryebread

      6 years ago

      Great read as always Tony. I loved the Star Wars reference at the end.

      I must say it is rather ironic that Harry Arnett of all people is calling BS on a marketing campaign. He’s the same guy who was behind some of the more outrageous claims from TM, and has been pretty “aggressive” at Callaway as well.

      I have no “dog in this fight.” I don’t play Titelist balls or Chrome Softs. I’m a cheap 2 piece kind of guy. They all go miles when I spin one into the woods, or stop on a dime when I drop one in a pond.

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      Vic

      6 years ago

      LOL! No matter what I play just can’t seem to create enough backspin to come out of the rough back into the fairway.

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      RayCar

      6 years ago

      My question for Titleist is: If you’re comparing Tour Soft to Chrome Soft and TP5, how many of your tour players will be gaming it? None, huh. Oh, OK. So what you’ve made is a Titleist version of the Wilson Duo. Great ball BTW, I love to play the Duo Spin in winter conditions in the PNW, where I live.

      I’ve tried just about all the premium balls including PV1/X, Bridgestone B RX, TP5x, Snell MTB, Wilson Duo Urethane, Chrome Soft. They’re all excellent products IMHO and they all perform beautifully. There’s no bad choices. So for me it comes down to personal preference and price. (For the record the Tour B RX is my current favorite).

      Titleist lost me as a consumer by overcharging for a ball that’s no better than the competition so I don’t really feel compelled to jump at their latest offering.

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      Reeves

      6 years ago

      with all the cheaper balls out there why would anyone pay for a Tour soft, Snell has two better balls now…and truth be told Costco had the best deal and shows everyone that the price of balls without a Urethane should be less then $15 a dozen….your Tour soft ball is priced more then twice as much as the Costco ball was….even if $15 a dozen was cost (which is more likely less the $10) How can you charge so much for a ball NO PRO would even hit on the range?????

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      Jack Weber

      6 years ago

      That’s why I play Snell. Best ball on the market … (mic drop)!

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      Christopher McMillen

      6 years ago

      Srixon is a nice ball!!

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      Bill Wenger

      6 years ago

      I like snell right up to the green. Thats where it lacks the feel I like. Played Prov1 but switched to Callaway Chrome Soft and Srixon Q star. I will say Snell is the longest ball if the tee for me.

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      Daniel Buckingham

      6 years ago

      It’s Crazy that I agree with ad? They are softer balls than all compared. I have played them and agree that they are long and have great feel for a better price. BUT, spin seems to be everything on ball comparison….. balata ftw! Still Titleist ProV1x in my bag but will be turning to tour soft because they have too much spin for me. It is the perfect ball for me.

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      joe mama

      6 years ago

      there are so many good balls out there now, especially that cater to different swing speeds. Volvic vivid is a masterpiece of a colored ball, bridgestones e6 series for slower swing speeds and callaway soft is really mostly what i see. titleist isnt being played as much from what i see here in central california.

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      Greg P

      6 years ago

      Why is it bad to compare an apple to an orange? If my 2 pc, cheaper ball can beat your 3 pc, pricier ball (even if in one facet) why not say so?

      Granted it is not telling the total story, but what ad does? Cally, TM et.al. have been selectively telling their own one sided tales for years…and Arnett is one of the best at it.

      The ball choices available to us now are awesome. Great for us. I can think of at least 10 brands that I could play on a rotating basis and not notice a difference in my game.

      I haven’t seen numbers, but I would bet that the ProV still maintains a HUGE lead over #2. If Arnett wants to tweet about that, good for him. Let’s see how they do at a higher price point in ’18.

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      Bluejay

      6 years ago

      Does MYGOLFSPY have a way to test premium balls or MYGOLFSPY has already done?

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      Steve H

      6 years ago

      What I don’t understand is the Titleist mouth piece will go on Michael Breed’s show and say that EVERY golfer should be playing the Pro V1 or Pro V1x. If that’s the case (and they truly believe it) why are they even making Tour Soft, AVX, etc. Yea, I know there’s price differences, but why sell anything but your best.

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      Mark

      6 years ago

      I asked my Rep that same question, his response was classic, some people just don’t want to play the best ball, thats why we make the other ones.. God the amount of smugness from that company astounds me.

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      Greg P

      6 years ago

      All the major manufacturers offer multiple products for the same reason. Why criticize Titleist for doing so?

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      Dandaman

      6 years ago

      I’m a big fan of the Chrome Soft, find them to be the best all around ball for me, and have gamed them since the first version came out. Big fan of what HA has done for Callaway too BUT I THINK HARRY COMES OFF AS PETTY AND JUVENILE in this instance. All these OEM adds are disingenuous biased ‘at best’, including everything Callaway spews out there. Based off some past interactions I doubt Harry would’ve handled it as well had Titleist fired off a similar ‘opening tweet’ his way.

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      MD

      6 years ago

      I think Harry was in the right here. At best the comparison Titleist is making is misleading. Titleist is feeling the squeeze, and are worried their ball gravy train is slowing down. I see fewer guys playing Titleist these days. At my club it’s a big time mix of ball brands, but it seems like Bridgestone has become the most popular.

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      John Haack

      6 years ago

      How many of these balls we are reading about are made in the USA?

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      Kevo

      6 years ago

      I believe pro v, chrome soft and Bridgestone balls are made in USA

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      Phil Koufax Benjamin

      6 years ago

      Bridgestone 330 rx and Callaway chrome soft are the golf balls I switched to from the Pro V1 and Pro V1x. I was getting to much unwanted spin with the Pro V1 from 100 yards out. Bridgestone and the Callaway Chrome soft would hit the green and stop which I like. Plus Walmart carries them both for under 40 bucks the bridgestone’s going for around $33 a dozen and the Chrome soft $36.

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      Craig Gibson

      6 years ago

      How about we bring up the elephant in the room…….compare all of them to Srixon Q Star Tour. $29.99 Urethane 3 piece golf ball. I don’t see Titleist comparing their ball to a Srixon ball. That’s because they know it cannot be beaten. Pick on the easy prey!!

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      Pretzel Logic

      6 years ago

      I’m confused. Is a “less-than-serious” golfer obliged to play a “premium ball” or is a “less-than-serious” golfer obliged to play a “less-than-premium” ball? If a “serious” golfer can’t tell much if any difference between several different similar balls that are offered by several different manufacturers who sell their balls over a wide range of prices, does that mean that the golfer is “serious” but “clueless” or does than mean that there is actually no discernible difference between several different similar balls other than the manufacturer’s logos and suggested retail price? Or does that depend solely on third-party perceptions and hence meaningless at best?What if a “serious” golfer discovers that a certain less-than-premium ball is, by far, the best fit for his game, does that mean that he seriously doesn’t care about pointless intangibles like “brand loyalty” because he is certain, beyond all possible doubt, that “brand loyalty” is, at best, a senseless psychological hindrance to achieving his or her own peak performance? Or does it mean that due to marketing influences beyond his control, he is actually so subconsciously wrapped up in “brand loyalty” that he had to wait several years before the manufacturer that he is a slave to came up with a less-than-premium ball that better suited his game even though he could have bought one years ago from a plethora of other manufacturers? Or does it simply mean that he is a “serious” golfer who found a certain less-than-premium ball that is by far, the best fit for his game and that brand loyalty never entered his mind. . . . Is that even possible?Are course conditions even a consideration?Please help.

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      Jon Silverberg

      6 years ago

      Either you’re being sarcastic, or you’re over-thinking this…

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      greg p

      6 years ago

      Yes. Or at least I think the answer is yes.

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      nbk8p18

      6 years ago

      Competition is always great. I have been playing Tit Pro V1x for years, but have tried all others including variations of Chrome Soft and SoftX, unfortunately, I still prefer the Tit Pro V1x. But there are other mfgs that are very competitive both in performance and price. Just recently I tested CUT golf balls, they have a 4-pc and 3-pc Urethane that are very much comparable to Tit Pro V’s.

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      D.G. Packard

      6 years ago

      If titielist is better because it has less compression points than others, then Wilson Duo must be best at 29 points.

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      Chris Murray

      6 years ago

      So if I got this right, in most testing off a variety of shots:

      Pro V1 = TP5 = ChromeSoft all perform similar (strike being king)

      If Tour Soft = TP5 = ChromeSoft then surely Tour Soft = Pro V1?

      Does this mean there’s no point paying more for a ProV1 anymore?

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      Terry McDowell

      6 years ago

      I don’t think there ever was

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      DL

      6 years ago

      Hey Tony, can’t you guys do a quick week of tests and give us the real dirt on all of these balls? :) Maybe some greenside tests will be much more telling than what Titleist has advertised.

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      Caden

      6 years ago

      The fact that so many people here are saying that the 2 piece Titleist ball is actually comparable to the 3,4,5 piece balls is evidence enough that the marketing strategy will be effecting based on ignorance alone. Unbelievable unwilling to question reality some of these sheep are.

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      Nathan Close

      6 years ago

      @HarryArnettCG @Titleist
      I play Titleist pro v1 currently because it is more like the older pro vx to me.
      I don’t game it because it’s a better ball compared to it’s competing companies relevant ball. I play it because I am happy with it’s consistency I have been use to for many many years nows, even with the knowledge that it isn’t the market leader in overall performance. I think most golfers are aware of the possible performance they most likely sacrifice now days by not trying balls such as Callaways giant killer in the Chromesoft range and others like the Bridgestone B range as well as some others including much smaller companies like Snell who could be justified in laying their claims for superior performance. I like to see competion in all faucets of life, and this is one great comp to watch unfold! Good on you Callaway and the likes, I am not using or trying your great products but I am still attached to the many great memories I have had using my Titlesit and not parting ways yet.
      From the outside I can see reasoning in thinking I’m a brainwashed Titleist flog but often one’s choices aren’t decided by straight forward reasoning.
      Hence this is so interesting to watch such a battle of titans that could end up out of control!

      How good is golf!!!!!?

      Nate

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      Nathan Close

      6 years ago

      Oh and I forgot to mention how I am planning my first golf dedicated golf holiday to the USA. So if anyone wants to help a friendly easy going Aussie + marker access some famous USPGA tracks esteemed with history, say hello and chat a bit? I can offer the same access in return if you wanted to play on Melbourne’s world class and famous sandbelt tracks!?✌

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      ChrisK

      6 years ago

      I can’t help you get in any tracks, but it’d be interesting to know where you’re planning to go. In North Carolina, you’ve got a huge Pinehurst complex with loads of classic golf courses, and not far away from that you’ve got Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. The Carolinas are definitely an awesome place to go for golf that won’t break the bank.

      JasonA

      6 years ago

      That Titleist comparison is weird: The ball launch conditions were matched and NOT THE CLUB data.

      So all the comparison can say is that when launching a ball with TOO MUCH SPIN our ball travels further (at some unknown air density).
      Says nothing about effectiveness of ball against the club.

      I would be surprised if other manufacturers would not perform better at “more suitable” spin rates.

      Perhaps the Titliest balls spin too much off the driver and that’s why they chose those metrics?

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      Dave S

      6 years ago

      Lost in all this jibber-jabber and hullabaloo is the fact that Taylormade, in all likelihood, actually has the best ball on the market right now.

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      Skip

      6 years ago

      also lost in all the jibber jabber, 95% (possible exaggeration) of all the golfers out there aren’t good enough to have any difference anyways lol.

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      JasonA

      6 years ago

      I thought the same… until I was going to trash a ball after a few holes because it was “faulty”. Not behaving as I expected. Turns out my alignment mark hid the model – I had been playing a “Srixon Z-Star” for a while but actually had a “Srixon AD-333” in hand. Genuine blind test. The “AD-333” is a good ball, but definitely does not behave like a “Z-Star”. At that stage I was 19 hcp.

      BodineJCS

      6 years ago

      So True … the TP5/TP5x is the best ball on the market but so many with the taylormade hate going on in there head wont even give this ball a second look … fools they are … and you can buy this ball for 35 to 40 bucks a dozen all day long

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      Alex

      6 years ago

      Was not a fan of this ad, or most of Titleist ads for that matter. Which is a shame because I generally am a fan or their products…

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      Terry M McDowell

      6 years ago

      Just one problem Titleist, your ball doesn’t come in Truvis. #scoreboard

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      Bruce

      6 years ago

      Tweet on and continue the debate: I’m using my time to play. I’m a 10 handicap index.
      I bought Maxfli Softfli – $8 a dozen on sale. Great feel, LONG, and some green side control. Can’t be happier. These will be fine foe cool weather, but I’ll switch balls at 70 degrees or so.
      Other favorite soft balls are Srixon Lady Soft Feel, and Calloway Superhot 55 (Costco online).

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      Aivo

      6 years ago

      Like to know how many of the comment writers actually experience statistically different results with different equipment or are they really too inconsistent for any comparison to have merit. 72 golfed for 50+ years and still manage to break 90 from the back tees at most courses!

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      Bob

      6 years ago

      I have a question why is Titleist holding back on the AVX, everyone i’ve talked to that has played it loves it, but it does seem to be a ball for less than 100 mph swing speed,

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      Rick

      6 years ago

      In my opinion, the bottom line for any golfer for any golf ball is performance. It does not matter if a golf ball has 2 or 5 layers, whether it is surlyn, urethane, or cream cheese. If the golf ball, any golf ball, performs the way that the golfer wants it to, that is all that matters. And that is how golf balls should be tested, compared, and advertised.

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      Thomas Murphy

      6 years ago

      +1 — MGS, take note, I want to see you compare all balls, not try to put them in categories. For many years the “secret” ball was the precept MC Lady…maybe that is where the idea of “soft” came. And note this is just a twitter beef…not a law suit–power of the fine print ;-)

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      Ellsworth Pilie

      6 years ago

      Tried both and also the Volvik. For the money and playability, the Volvik beats both balls.

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      Chris

      6 years ago

      And the golf ball wars are not just about the big boys! Snell gives you price and performance…things old golfers like me love.

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      Jerry noble

      6 years ago

      I go to the course and get on a tee box and hit different balls with drivers. I can’t find any real difference in distance with any of the tour balls. Around the green the Prov1x, chrome soft, and Taylor made x all perform similar and better than others. I do trust the quality and consistency of titliest and play the pro v1x.

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      Bryant

      6 years ago

      i’m not sure why it’s so crazy to compare “two unlike things” on MyGolfSpy.. if MGS could open up a world of performance and value to its readers by showing that cheaper, lower-layer-count value balls can produce comparable performance numbers to expensive, 3+ piece tour balls, then that’s information i’d love to have.. we often see entire families of drivers included in club reviews and comparisons.. why not a variety of balls as well? if the Titlelist Tour Soft CAN compete with Callaway’s Chrome Soft head-to-head, i feel as though we deserve to know..

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      Ken

      6 years ago

      Pure marketing genius by Titleist. If you’re going to try and move your ball into our premium price and space then I’m going to compare yours to one of ours from a less than premium category. Push the consumer into thinking your GMC belongs in the Chevy space, not Cadillac.

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      Berniez40

      6 years ago

      I call B.S. on this and almost all golf ads. Most golf marketing guys only have blue eyes because they’re a quart low. B.S. in Golf Ads was what made My Golf Spy great. As Tony used to say all the time, “If we’re really getting ’15 -20 more yards’ every year with ‘35% more forgiveness’, how come we’re not knocking the ball 425 straight down the middle of the fairway everytime we step up to the tee box?”
      I’d like to see a comparison between this one–and the other supposed high tech 2-piece balls. I play 2-piece balls most of the season, until we get the 100 degree days and I need a soft 3-piece as the two piecers get too mushy at that point. I’m quite aware of how well a decent two piece golf ball can perform, and Winter is definitely the best time for marketers to push soft lower priced two-piecers to old timers like me with arthritic hands who may not know the technical differences between a $4 multi-layer and a $2 two piece. Just sayin’—total B.S.

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      James T.

      6 years ago

      I have blue eyes. Someone should come out with and market balls for every temperature range. The 30 to 40 degree ball, the 40 to 50 degree ball, etc.

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      VA_Golfer

      6 years ago

      Titleist May have a good ball in the Tour Soft. Titleist may have a soft ball in the Tour Soft. Titleist certainly does not have a cheap (inexpensive) ball in the Tour Soft. $35/doz for any non-urethane ball in this market is a joke, especially with multilayer competitors lurking at $8-10/dozen less, some in urethane.

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      JPBall

      6 years ago

      I’m an aging single handicaper, hanging on to that last moniker by the skin of my teeth. I love MyGolfSoy because I don’t have hours to spend at the range or on the green or even on the course to experiment with new clubs, putters, and balls. The combinations alone are overwhelming.

      I was also a marketing bozo for most of my career, so I understand the need for business growth even where innovation and application may be missing.

      I want to have the best chance to score low on each hole. That means I want a shorter distance to the green, which means I want a longer ball off the tee. When I finally aim for the flag, I want predictable results and if I don’t get them, I want to blame myself and not the equipment.

      So make it simple for me. Tell me what your ball/club does at my swing speed for my range of handicap. From that narrow set of data, I will weasel out what I think looks and feels good.

      How hard can that be? ;-)

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      Daisy

      6 years ago

      I have tried several different golf balls and what’s the most important thing to be is how it does around the green. I’ll stick with my pro v1 just for that reason. So again thanks Titleist. I know every company has there campaign ads but in the end it’s a matter of opinion for each and everyone. Hit em’ long and straight. Happy golfing everyone.

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      10shot

      6 years ago

      Well, for me its total BS. My 165mph swing speed will….well I just cant decide.
      I have 1 dollar at 120mph numbers are different, 110 same, 100 another chart. why 140?

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      Boyo

      6 years ago

      LMAO…..

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      Marc Anderson

      6 years ago

      Titleist knows a Golf fool is born everyday.

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      Jason Hutty

      6 years ago

      Hardly the only ones, Taylor made built an entire company around the concept.

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      Wes

      6 years ago

      Funny how Callaway is calling out misleading marketing when they promote jailbreak as a technological breakthrough despite the CoR limit making it utterly irrelevant.

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      Mark

      6 years ago

      They don’t even test COR anymore, in fact Callaway went to the USGA and said if you are testing for CT, then that is your standard. After having a few drinks with Chip Brewer, in not so many words, it would probably fail a COR test, epic that is..

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      Wes

      6 years ago

      Same thing for CT. All the manufacturers can reach the limit without jailbreak, so it isn’t doing anything of value. The only way it would help is if it makes off center hits more efficient without affecting the center.

      NH Golfer

      6 years ago

      If a Golfer is playing a tour caliber ball (Chrome Soft, Pro V, TP5, etc) he/she SHOULD be interested in greenside performance. To compare the Tour Soft to a tour type ball on soft feel and distance is a false narrative. Titleist can not stand on a tour vs tour comparison or a soft 2 piece vs soft 2 piece comparison. My how the mighty have fallen or at the very least are falling. The seems to be panic in Acushnet.

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      Bobby Goodman

      6 years ago

      I have to say I’m very disappointed that a senior Callaway executive would stoopto using Twitter to launch a shot at Titleist. Really? How old is this guy, 12? Callaway (and Titleist) has always behaved in a classy and professional manner and this latest act represents a shameful departure. I’m just an ordinary golf nut but can think of a number of ways Calaway could/should have responded to mke a point and maintain their professionalism. Shame.

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      Nocklaus

      6 years ago

      Well, Titleist started it all with a shameful ad …

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      James T

      6 years ago

      Well, the President started it all with a shameful tweet…

      Gregory Fitzgerald

      6 years ago

      I guess you could say the Callaway executive was acting Presidential

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      Nick

      6 years ago

      Should they have taken an ad out in the paper?

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      Ryan

      6 years ago

      I don’t see the number of layers a golf ball has as a concerning factor for the average golfer. Titleist, in my mind, has always been a little misleading in their advertising. Many of their ProV1 ads have always come across as that ball is a good fit for golfers of all swing speeds and abilities. This couldn’t be further from the case. Bridgestone really helped the general golfer understand that they cannot compress a tour ball and don’t need the added spin in the driver.

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      Tony Covey

      6 years ago

      I’m not sure I agree. I’ve spoken with ball guys across the industry…TaylorMade guys, Titleist guys, Callaway guys, Dean Snell, etc., everyone other than Bridgestone says that basically every golfer compresses the ball regardless of their swing speed. There’s marketing on all sides.

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      10shot

      6 years ago

      Money shots are well below pro swing speed. Another herring

      James T

      6 years ago

      I can compress the Empire State Building, but not in an amount you would notice.

      Bob Hincken

      6 years ago

      Tony
      Very good article well defined as we await the next chapter!!

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      Jeff

      6 years ago

      Why would anyone believe any adverts from any company nowadays? Try them yourself and make your own judgment. Never can understand being brand loyal. You should be swing loyal. Your swing with your own findings.

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      Albert

      6 years ago

      I call BS on Titleist as well on this one. Like Mercedes comparing their C class to BMW 7 series. They can sit there and justify it with contorted logic but in the end it’s a cheap marketing trick that does not befit the clear market leader. Be honest and fair with the consumer, clarify rather than confuse, and use your resources as the leader to produce better quality products and you will win in the long run. Bottom line is this makes me want to put more Chromesofts in the bag based purely based on company ethics.

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      Guy Crawford

      6 years ago

      Tony, Great review and spot on! Harry also offered a custom Rogue Driver and 12 Dozen Balls to one person who RT his twitter comment.

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      Nocklaus

      6 years ago

      I’m definetly with Harry. The ad says Tour Soft outperforms Chrome soft, which it definetly does not. Maybe its longer for some, but hit a bunker shot and compare Performance and you’ll see the difference.
      So the comparison would be with AVX and nevermind if Chrome Soft has become a bit more expensive, it will still be cheaper than AVX.
      If this is a war, for me Titleist has already lost it …

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      Albert

      6 years ago

      Can’t agree more! I wouldn’t have put up my reply which basically says the same thing if I read this beforehand. Losing the war is a good analogy!

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      David W

      6 years ago

      It’s advertising. Advertising in the US has long been full of lies and misleading statements and images. To this day I still remember the first ad that really proved to me how deceptive companies are in their ads. It was an ad for Chevrolet trucks and it showed a Chevy driving over a ditch and Ford getting stuck trying to drive over it. The Chevy had oversized wheels and tires and the Ford had wheels and tires smaller than anything ever sold on a full sized Ford truck. To this day their advertising (along with most every other company is misleading). They have the one now that shows a fully loaded midsized SUV and says it has more features than 5 others combined and they show the others. They are obviously base model (tell by the wheels and tires) so they don’t have the features of a fully loaded Kia Forte.

      Never believe what you hear in advertising comparisons, they are always rigged for the advertising brand to win. Come to MYGOLFSPY for real comparisons!

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      Rich

      6 years ago

      Amen!
      I have followed an old saying
      “NEVER BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU HEAR AND HALF OF WHAT YOU SEE”

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      Petermo

      6 years ago

      Using Twitter is such a bore. It seems Trump has legitimised using it for anything under the sun…………..birds and Twits tweet!

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      Gregor

      6 years ago

      I cant remember the last time I concerned myself with how many layers my golf ball had!

      Surely a comparison of any ball to any ball is relevant? The components of the ball are totally irrelevant. It’s all down to performance (for me). Some may also weigh up price as a factor and that’s fine too.

      What Titleist are saying here is that from their testing the Tour Soft is meeting the performance numbers of balls touted as being more ‘premium’. Ultimately its down to individuals to try and discern for themselves.

      Its all buzz words at the end of the day. ‘Tour’ ‘Soft’ ‘Spin’ ‘Long’ ‘Straighter’ = bullshit bingo full house!!!

      I’ll try them and see for myself thanks. The one thing I do give credit to Titleist for is that at least the ball they produce and market is the same ball being used by everyone so comparisons are fair.

      Ask Harry Arnett about the 16 different types of Chrome Soft used on tour and why none of them are the same as the mass market product that you and I can purchase!? That’s the definition of comparing apples to oranges.

      Compare pro v1 to chrome soft? That’s a test not even worth doing. Prov 1 is in a different leagu from Chrome soft in my opinion.

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      Xxio

      6 years ago

      You do know there are tour only Pro Vs. Less than the 16 (if you are accurate) versions of Chrome soft.

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      NJV

      6 years ago

      I am a ProV1 loyalist because I’ve tried every other ball in that category even the new issues Vice and Snell. While all the competitors make good balls they are still outperformed by the ProV1. Distance spin and I always put durability in there. Now I have not tried the TourSoft yet but let’s call this what it is… Marketing BS to get players to look atovimg from Titleist to Callaway…. Good for him…. Nice effort but it ain’t going to work….

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      David W

      6 years ago

      A good friend of mine is a 48 year old positive handicap with mini tour experience (and was a small college all-american) and had tried almost every tour ball under the sun. He said the same thing and was so sure that he quit trying new balls unless I provided him a couple from my bag. That was until I talked him into trying the Bridgestone. He loves the B. He also says the TP5 is comparable.

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      Nocklaus

      6 years ago

      Please dont say that all balls are outperformed by Pro V1, just because you think so. Others might think different. Me for instance. For me Pro V1 is definetly too hard.

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      Regis

      6 years ago

      We might as well be discussing our preferences in Anti Perspirants . I’ve purchased many makes and formulas over a lot of years and I know what works for me, especially under pressure. Titleist has never worked for me. That’s not to say there not great balls . They are. But when I play a tour level ball it’s Bridgestone. I also like their E6 for everyday use and recently I purchased Encore yellow in bulk. I’m just a Speed Stick guy and all the advertising is unlikely to change that

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      helge

      6 years ago

      I remember reading stats that the real score is decided in the range of 100yds and less to the pin. How is a 2-4yds advantage off the tee significant when there are no numbers released about greenside spin, dispersion and putting accuracy? In most cases, that´s where you win (or lose) trophies…

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      David W

      6 years ago

      But it’s not what sells balls to weekend golfers.

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      Nocklaus

      6 years ago

      That may be so. But in that case there are a lot of cheap, soft, 2 piece balls to compare with instead.

      Ricky Tippett

      6 years ago

      I’d be interested to see how much of the Chrome Soft’s sales are Truvis vs Non-Truvis. For me, that’s what separates Chrome Soft. I find more Truvis balls than Non, and also prefer them myself over every other ball on the market.

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      Bob Nied

      6 years ago

      The 2 balls are NOT in the same category. Urethane vs suryln. Bogey for Titleist

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      Brady Hawxhurst

      6 years ago

      Not really a bogey for Titleist, rather brilliant actually in how they’re defending their marketshare. Sure different categories but if they can build a ball from a lesser category (2-piece surlyn cover) that outperforms their competitors premium offerings and at a lower price how is that bad?

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      Stephen DiBari

      6 years ago

      Agree 100%. It’s all a marketing scheme to fool newbies to the game

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      Tim Brantley

      6 years ago

      Titliest’s new cover is proprietary. Harry should’ve had his facts straight before his childish rant. Someone got their confidence mixed up with their ignorance.

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      Brady Hawxhurst

      6 years ago

      Bob Nied – there is an unknown in this discussion, the performance of the cover. Sure its Surlyn, if its 1995 surlyn, Then your point is accurate. If the new ball stops significantly better than mid 90’s Surlyn then my point is good and Titleist’s strategy is brilliant in changing the game to beat their competitors. It seems as though Titleist might be tearing up the old boxes of urethane vs surlyn, 2 piece vs 3,4,5 piece and focusing on performance versus category of ball. IF and its most definitely if, the True Soft has some stopping power in the cover its genius

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      Brady Hawxhurst

      6 years ago

      Ultimately who cares about the category? By yesterday’s “standards” yes its a different ball but if new R&D in the cover gives the Tour Soft similar stopping power then Titleist has made a great move positioning their mid grade ball as equivalent to their competitors premium offerings. You can be sure I’ll go test it in my bay when mine arrive and I’ll let you know. . .

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      Gary McCandless

      6 years ago

      Does this mean the Titleist tour players will be changing to Tour S? #titleistlies

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      Carolina Golfer 2

      6 years ago

      Wouldn’t a more apt comparison have been for Titleist to compare it to the SuperSoft? Or perhaps they did and it didn’t outperform, so they picked a comparison that told the story they wanted.

      But it seems comparing a two piece distance ball to a three piece tour level ball isn’t apples to apples as Harry says. I gotta side with General of the 5 year war on this one!

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      Mark Blowers

      6 years ago

      So what are they saying ? The top 3 balls in golf now are Pro v1, Pro v1x and Tour soft ?

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      William Sheffield

      6 years ago

      I prefer Chrome Soft to Titleist and can’t wait to try the 2018 ball!!

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      Brendan

      6 years ago

      I play a full bag of Callaway clubs, but can’t stand their golf balls. Srixon has always been > than both titleist and callaway as far as golf balls go IMO. A $5 price hike on CS just makes the choice that much easier.

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      #1 Ball for a Reason... Every Season

      6 years ago

      I have to agree with you on the Srixon balls… EXCELLENT.

      Reply

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