Filling Your Gaps: Titleist Launches TS2 and TS3 Hybrids
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Filling Your Gaps: Titleist Launches TS2 and TS3 Hybrids

Filling Your Gaps: Titleist Launches TS2 and TS3 Hybrids

I have a few questions about your hybrids.

In the interest of expediency, I’ll skip right to the lightning round:

  • Do you carry hybrids?
  • How many?
  • What models?
  • When was the last time you replaced or upgraded your hybrids?
  • When was the last time you gave your hybrid even a moment’s thought?

The fact of the matter is that it might be time to start thinking differently about your hybrids, and possibly even thinking seriously about new hybrids. Even if you ultimately decide you’re not interested in a new Titleist TS2 or a TS3 hybrid, if I can incite even the smallest degree of contemplation about a club category for which golfers show a tremendous amount of apathy, this will easily be my most successful hybrid story ever.

Frankly, that’s not saying much, but hopefully, you’ll leave here with something to think about.

Titleist TS Hybrids

The first detail some of you will notice about Titleist’s latest run of hybrids is the names have changed. Two generations ago, Titleist decided to mix things up a bit. Its design philosophy is that are hybrids are scoring clubs and so, to create a distinction between its hybrids and the rest of the metalwoods lineup, it started naming them differently. That got us 816, 818, and a good bit of wholly unnecessary confusion.

Fortunately, there was an easy fix.

With the release of the TS2 hybrids, the underlying philosophy hasn’t changed. Hybrids are still scoring clubs – it’s why Titleist is launching them near-simultaneously with its new irons – but in the interest of common sense and simplification, the company has decided to re-link its hybrid technology to the rest of its metalwoods technology.

If you have a TS driver or a TS fairway wood, you have a pretty good idea what to expect from the TS hybrid.

Continuing tradition, Titleist is launching two hybrid models; TS2 and TS3. And while I’d personally be curious to see what a super-compact TS4 hybrid might look like, I expect that with U•500 and U•510 Utilities already announced, this will be as far as Titleist takes things in the long iron replacement category.

To no small degree, the TS hybrid tech stories match that of other TS clubs. Like other TS2 products, the namesake hybrid features a fixed flat weight used for swing weighting purposes. TS3 features a 3-position (draw, neutral, fade) magnetic SureFit CG weight. Both models feature Titleist’s sure fit hosel adjustability.

No real surprises there.

While it’s reasonable to describe TS3 as compact, In terms of actual head volume, there’s not much between the new models – just a few ccs here or there. The shapes are, however, distinct, and that’s what accounts for a good bit of what differentiates each model.

Titleist TS2 Hybrid

Broadly speaking, the TS2 is pretty much what you’d expect from a middle of the market hybrid. Longer from face to trailing edge, the TS2 has offers the larger address profile of the two TS models. The backside heel profile has been streamlined a bit compared to the 816 H1, so to some, despite similar volume, it may look a bit smaller at address. MOI is up a bit as well – the benefit of a 16% thinner face (common to both models) that allowed Titleist to remove the Active Recoil Channel and drop additional mass low and back.

That thinner face is good for an extra 1 to 1.5 MPH of ball speed and 2-4 yards more carry – and you get that without dropping spin rates. The point here is that while you’re getting the distance bump that golfers invariably want, you’re not losing the playability that you need from a hybrid. Again, this is true for both models.

The TS2 is available in lofts of 17° (RH only), 19°, 21°, 23°, 25°, and 27°.

I wouldn’t necessarily put a firm club number on any of the lofts (for reference, the 19° is a #3-ish hybrid). Ultimately it boils down to minding your gaps and finding the right loft to hit the distance you need to hit.

Titleist TS3 Hybrid

“The TS3 drew its inspiration from the 913HD,” says Stephanie Luttrell, Titleist’s Director of Metalwood Development. It’s the most preferred shape on tour, and that particular model still shows up in its fair share of bags each week. The signature design feature is a high square toe that gives the hybrid a more iron-like appearance at address. Compared to the 913HD, The TS3 has a slightly taller profile which allowed Titleist to boost iXX inertial (top to bottom MOI).

What does that get you?

“Maintaining and increasing that inertia gives more launch and spin and stability,” says Luttrell. “It’s one of the benefits of hybrids over utility irons or long irons.”

Beyond the physical differences, a point of differentiation for the TS3 is that, like the TS3 driver and fairway wood, it offers a 3-position magnetic SureFit CG weight. The draw setting offers some anti-right bias, while the toe-heavy fade setting makes TS3 an excellent option for some golfers who struggle with hybrids flying to a spot on the golf course described as “left of left” by Josh Talge, Titleist’s VP of Golf Club Marketing.

The TS3 hybrid is offered in lofts of 19°, 21°, 23°, and 25°. As with the TS2 hybrid, I’d urge you to forget about the club number and instead focus on proper gapping.

TS2 or TS3 – Which is Right For You?

When two or more hybrid models are offered, typically the performance decision boils down to forgiveness vs. workability. There’s a bit of that with the TS line (the TS2 is more forgiving in the conventional sense, whereas the TS3 is more workable), but a good bit of the decision (dare I say the fitting equation) boils down to how you play your hybrids.

If you’re a sweeper – a golfer who plays hybrids more like fairway woods (and prefers the look of a larger head) – the TS2 is likely the better option.

If you play your hybrids more like irons (you hit down on them) and prefer a more iron-like appearance, the TS3 will likely suit you better.

From Titleist’s perspective, the TS2 offers a high launch and easy distance with forgiveness, while the TS3 provides mid-launch with precise distance and iron-like control.

Bottom line, you’ve two excellent new hybrid choices, provided you’re in the market for hybrids – and that brings this entire discussion full circle.

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Mind Your Gaps

The challenge for Titleist – and everyone else who makes a hybrid – is that even the most aggressive of golf club replacers among us show next to no interest in upgrading their hybrids on the regular. Golfers who replace drivers annually, irons every couple of years and who obsess over fresh grooves in their wedges, seem oddly content keep hybrids – old hybrids – in the bag almost indefinitely.

Josh Talge routinely tours the bag room of nearly every golf course he visits. He’s found plenty of evidence that putting new hybrids isn’t a priority for the majority of golfers. “I have Adams as the clubhouse leader in bags currently,” he says.

Adams.

That’s pretty wild when you consider that Adams has existed in name only since just after it launched its Blue and Red series of golf clubs. That was early 2015. What Talge often finds in bags is older still. “Most of what I see is like Idea 2.”

That doesn’t make much sense to Stephanie Luttrell.

“Iron technology has significantly evolved over the past 4-5 years, and you look in people’s bags, and you see the hybrids that people are carrying, and they’re old,” she says. “And they’re not really looking at them as something I need to replace, or I need to upgrade, but if you think about…ok, all of my irons have gotten stronger, I’m hitting them farther. That hybrid doesn’t really satisfy your gap requirement any longer.”

And it’s not just irons. Drivers have gotten longer. Fairway woods have gotten longer too. That leaves us with the golf equipment version of the Wooderson Paradox: Your other clubs are getting longer, but your hybrids stay the same (they go the same distance).

How is that supposed to work?

You shouldn’t need me to spell this out for you, but… If you’ve upgraded your fairway woods or you’ve upgraded your irons, but you haven’t upgraded your hybrids, there’s a damn good chance you’ve got a yardage problem in your bag. Mind your gaps, people.

I understand that not everyone wants a hybrid. There are plenty of you who, for whatever reason, believe you simply can’t hit a hybrid. Titleist is cool with that. “We’ve made great hybrids for 15 years,” says Josh Talge, “but if someone believes he can’t hit one or play one; you know what, let’s give them something else to try.”

That something else is the recently announced g U•500 and U•510 utility irons. Utility use on tour is climbing (to the detriment of hybrid counts) as professional golfers are making the most of the other kind of long iron replacement.

Titleist hopes that rising utility use on Tour will create an opportunity to fit more players into hybrids. We know that golfers want to play what the pros play, and so plenty of us will try the utility irons at fitting events. Some of you will hit the utility irons better (guys like me won’t), but the thinking is that if fitters can convince golfers to try the hybrids too, a good bit of the time, they’re going to hit the hybrid better.

“In terms of the mass market of players,” says Stephanie Luttrell, “What are they going to have success with more often? It’s the hybrid.”

I’d encourage you to try both and see which works best for you.

 

Stock Shafts (and grips), Pricing and Availability

The stock shafts lineup for the Titleist TS family of hybrids includes:

  • Kuro Kage Dual Core Black – High Launch/Mid Spin (50g – Ladies / 60g – stock, 70g – custom)
  • Tensei AV Series Blue – Mid-High Launch/Mid Spin (70g – stock, 80g Custom)
  • HZRDUS Smoke Black 80 – Low-Mid Launch/Low-Mid Spin (80g – stock, 90g – custom)
  • EvenFLow White – Low Launch/Low Spin (90g – stock, 100g – custom)

Any of Titleist’s no-upcharge .370 tip shafts, including steel options, can be ordered through custom at no additional cost.

The stock grip is Golf Pride’s Tour Velvet 360 with gray paintfill.

Retail price for Titleist TS hybrids is $279. Worldwide retail availability begins on August 30th.

For more information, visit Titleist.com.

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      Richard

      5 years ago

      How come you guys never talk about Bridgestone and Mizuno products? That seems to be a gap in your reviews all the time.

      Reply

      Tony Covey

      5 years ago

      I enjoy comments like this if only because they remind us that readers sometimes see only what they want to see. The actual fact here is that we have written similar articles for nearly all (if not all) Mizuno products released in the USA going back several generations. The same is true for Bridgestone…both clubs and balls, nearly every – if not every – release has been covered here. In fact, we’ve written full-length feature stories on both brands that didn’t have much to do with product.

      Reply

      Stan P

      5 years ago

      1 hybrid
      Taylormade SLDR 3 hybrid
      I’m interested to see this new line of Titleist hybrids. For years I’ve not been very impressed with any of Titleist wood/hybrid options. That changed last year with the TS release. Very interested in trying provided they make something for us lefties :p

      Reply

      Doug

      5 years ago

      Do you carry hybrids? YES
      How many? 2
      What models? Mizuno CLK 19* and 22*
      When was the last time you replaced or upgraded your hybrids? 19* early last year, 22* this Spring
      When was the last time you gave your hybrid even a moment’s thought? ALWAYS

      Regarding the comments about hybrid gapping and replacement of hybrids to keep up with changes to the rest of the bag, I have to say that the majority of people I play with (including myself) aren’t necessarily thinking of their hybrid as simply the go-between between wood and iron. I think the hybrid is a comfort club for a lot of casual players who aren’t necessarily great strikers in particular, and it still exists as a semi cure-all for bad lies along long distance. I find that most guy’s hybrids are carrying just about the same as their woods, but with greater “utility” and more adequate carriage on really bad hits.

      Reply

      KP

      5 years ago

      Yes
      4
      18 degree TM Burner Superfast
      22 degree TM Burner Superfast
      25 degree Cobra Baffler TRail
      29 degree Adams V3 Tech.
      My 6 iron is 31 degrees.
      Haven’t replaced and don’t plan on it. My 4 hybrids do everything that I ask of them almost every time. I know their distance so why spend the money. Grips are cheaper.

      Reply

      Willie

      5 years ago

      Yes
      It varies from 2 – 3 hybrids, depending on my mood.
      They are a Tour Edge Bazooka GeoMax 19deg & 22deg and sometimes a Nike CPR 26deg.

      The 22 deg is my “go to” club when I am having a can’t hit straight day. The Nike is a dead on straight as an arrow club.

      They are second nature clubs that even though they are older technology are clubs I am confident with when out on the course.

      Reply

      Scott

      5 years ago

      Do you carry hybrids? Yes
      How many? 2
      What models? Titleist 818H2
      When was the last time you replaced or upgraded your hybrids?
      Upgraded just this year from 915HD’s. Absolutely love the 818’s, picked them up online for under $100/club in new condition. I will probably do the same with the TS’s in a couple years. There is no reason to pay $300/club for 2 yards of carry

      Reply

      DaveyD

      5 years ago

      Hybrids? Yes
      How many: 2
      Models: Cobra F7 3-4 and 4-5. Depending on the course, use a Callaway Rogue 7 in place of the 4-5. Just found a new Adams Red 3 hybrid at a place that occasionally gets unsold clubs from courses.
      Last time I replaced them? The F7 clubs replaced some old Adams hybrids about 2 -3 years ago. The Rogue club was picked last year.

      Reply

      Hatch

      5 years ago

      Do you carry hybrids? You bet
      How many? 1-3 depending on course
      What models? 2x 910H 1x R15
      When was the last time you replaced or upgraded your hybrids? 2015
      When was the last time you gave your hybrid even a moment’s thought? Every time I play.

      Solid Article Tony. However, I’m not buying the blanket advice that “your hybrids aren’t good for you because they’re old” that seems to be stated by Ms Luttrell. I do like the comment about fitting but more so from a standpoint of a full bag gap fitting. I do that 1-2 times a year now and that keeps me in check with what clubs I need in the bag.

      BTW, I’d like to find those Adams Red hybrids brand new somewhere with someone willing to customize :)

      Reply

      shortside

      5 years ago

      Cobra King F7’s. 2-3, 3-4, 4-5 all adjustable. Though the 2-3 often stays home to make room for a 62 wedge.

      Yes hybrids have come a long a way in the last several years. Yes the F7’s are as good as advertised. And yes I was among those that hooked them regularly until I tried these.

      Pried from cold dead hands I say.

      Reply

      Alex

      5 years ago

      Have the 816 19 degree, and I’m probably more confident with it than any other club in my bag. Finally was honest with myself and got a 23 degree used 816 to match (which was a pain to find because I wanted the diamana blue 80 which is not a stock shaft). I hit it 10x better than my 4 iron. In a pinch I could get around the course with these and only a few other clubs as they are so versatile. Probably will wait until the next gen to upgrade. As much as I hit these I think I realize it’s worth doing a hybrid fitting separate from just getting the same shaft as my driver, but I like consistency.

      Reply

      bobbyk

      5 years ago

      I play a Titleist 913 F set at 22 and an 816 H2 set at 18(straightest club in my bag). Love both. I’d have to be convinced to change them out.

      Reply

      Mark M

      5 years ago

      Do you carry hybrids? Yes
      How many? 2
      What models? 15° Adams Super LS, 19° TM R15
      When was the last time you replaced or upgraded your hybrids? 2 years ago – the R15 replaced a TM R11
      When was the last time you gave your hybrid even moment’s thought? Yesterday when I hit it 15 ft from 233 in the rough

      Reply

      mike rudkin

      5 years ago

      have had 2 calaway hotxr for years-love them.
      bought 5 to pw hybrid irons this spring.
      gained distance and accuracy-most important to a 87 year old.

      Reply

      Regis

      5 years ago

      I’ve been focusing on hybrids for the last year as my ability to hit long irons has all but disappeared
      Like most clubs the correct shaft is paramount. What I’ve done is switch out stock graphite shafts and replaced them with lightweight steel shafts (in one instance pulled from a now useless long iron)
      It’s worked for me.

      Reply

      Jason

      5 years ago

      I have to admit my hybrids have been in the bag the longest but they just feel great. They also give me confidence over longer shots I never had, or wouldn’t even try, with long irons especially if I have to carry a hazard (sorry penalty area). A pair of Titleist 913H’s, one 19° and 23° that cover 170-200 yards. Just added a 13.5° 917F Fairway Wood that together with the hybrids works really well and give a similar feel. I will definitely go hit these at the local shop to see how they feel compare to my oldie but goodies but yes it is hard to swap these out when you’re comfortable with them. My gap is actually between the 5i and the 23° hybrid. For me the 5i has to be perfectly struck to get to the 170 mark. I find it hard to dial back the hybrids. They just want to go! Funny thing too in that I drive with a PING and play with Mizuno’s but found the Titleist hybrids and woods to be the ones I like best.

      Reply

      Greg

      5 years ago

      I carry two X Hot Pro hybrids, 18 and 23 degree. And after my upgrading to the TS3 Driver, I am very interested in the TS hybrids. My grooves are about worn out on my current set and its time to move on.

      Reply

      Kevin C

      5 years ago

      I was carrying 2 Callaway XROS hybrids for several years, but after too many big misses I recently swapped in the corresponding iron and a Callaway X Forged UT iron. Not as easy to elevate, but much much straighter and much smaller misses.

      Reply

      John Monteagudo

      5 years ago

      Do you carry hybrids? Yes
      How many? 1 for now
      What models? Ping, Callaway, Mizuno and Taylor made
      When was the last time you replaced or upgraded your hybrids? Two months ago
      When was the last time you gave your hybrid even a moment’s thought?
      Just got fitted for a new Callaway big Bertha hybrid and it’s a huge difference. Longer but more importantly much straighter!

      Reply

      Jonathan S

      5 years ago

      I carry 1 hybrid. It’s a titleist 915h 3 hybrid (titleist put a # on them back then) 21 degree with a GD tour ad di 95 stiff shaft. Comfortably I carry it 230 but if I lean into it I can squeeze nearly 240 out of it. I’ll taje a look at the TS hybrids but no guarantee I’ll be upgrading.

      Reply

      M.Coz

      5 years ago

      Well like others my oldest clubs by far are the hybrids in my bag:
      Cleveland HI-Bore #1, 16* with an older Fuji shaft tipped 1/2″ Made for me by their tour department. Essentially made to play like a 2 iron.
      TaylorMade RBZ Stage 2 Tour 5, loft set at 23 face open. With Fujikura MCI Hybrid shaft 80gr
      These have been in the my bag since they each were new., only change was the shafts on the TM a couple of years ago. I always try and test new hybrids but none have come close to these or the backups I have kept which are essentially the same. They really haven’t lost their position and gapping is good. Nothing else is more than a couple of years old in my bag.

      Reply

      PacoJoe

      5 years ago

      These look really nice. I now carry four Callaway hybrids. You are right on gapping between them. My 20 Degree goes 190 yards for me, 23 180, 26 170, and 29 160. I hit them more consistant and higher than my irons, and now only carry 7-8-9 irons and a bunch of wedges and I’m good from 150 in… Thanks for all the great reviews!

      Reply

      Robert

      5 years ago

      We have very similar setup. Except I have a couple FW’s in place of hybrids.
      7W that is goes about 175, 9 W 165, 5 hybrid 155, 6 hybrid 145.

      I’m actually more confident with my 7W from 175 than 7 iron from 135…LOL

      Reply

      Steve

      5 years ago

      I carry 4 hybrids, 19, 22, 25, &28. I bought them used last year. Callaway xr. I most likely will upgrade next spring.

      Reply

      Duggan

      5 years ago

      The Callaway XR are fantastic hybrids. I have a 4 and 5. They’ve been challenged by Titleist, Ping G, Ping G400, Cobra F7 and Callaway Rogue. No contest, the XR are still in the bag.

      Reply

      Jim B

      5 years ago

      I have been using a Titleist 19 and 23 degree hybrid for as long as I can remember.
      Automatically order the new version as soon as it is available. Use the same hosel settings so always an easy transition. Use Graphite Design ADDI shafts, same as my driver and 3 wood, same swing weight, same grips, etc. etc.
      Concept being same feel and look, just the newest technology. Usually get a good trade in price so cost is not overly expensive.

      Reply

      Jonny_E

      5 years ago

      Food for thought.
      My grubby old 22deg (I think) #4 hybrid is one of those Cobra Baffler rails in your picture! It tends to be my go-to distance club if my swing/5W isn’t working that day.
      I’ve just upgraded my irons, though; as I’m clearly in the mood for spending money, perhaps a hybrid upgrade is in order, finally.

      Reply

      Brandon M

      5 years ago

      I’ve got the 17 deg Baffler Rail-H in the picture. I’ve recently dropped the 22 and 25 deg for irons. Most versatile club in my bag. Use it as a fairway finder off the tee, 200+ yard approach club, punch outs under trees, and experimenting with greenside chips from the rough now.

      Reply

      Seth M

      5 years ago

      I’m a 12 handicap and carry two hybrids, a 19* and a 23* and love them both. I don’t like hitting the 19* anywhere but off the tee, but the 23* I feel comfortable anywhere with. Both are Titleist 818

      Reply

      Sean

      5 years ago

      Adams A4 boxer is still by far the best hybrid ever. I’m not sure why this didn’t stay in production. So long, so forgiving and so workable. I still have a few of them. Most reliable club I’ve ever played . I replaced my 3 iron with it and never looked back.

      Reply

      Doug

      5 years ago

      Not gonna lie. People always talk about the feeling of a perfectly struck forged iron.

      When my 3h hits dead center and the ball goes high, far, and straight, it’s a wonderful feeling. I might pick more tees to use it on. :)

      Reply

      Jordan

      5 years ago

      Insane that these are only $30 more than the u500 irons.

      Reply

      Frank Cappi

      5 years ago

      I carry 3 Callaway Big Birtha Hybrids but usually only hit 2 of them the 4H and the 5H when I am in the thicker stuff.

      frank

      Reply

      DougE

      5 years ago

      Do you carry hybrids?
      How many? A. 1
      What models? A. Titleist 818H1 19*
      When was the last time you replaced or upgraded your hybrids? A. Early last year
      When was the last time you gave your hybrid even a moment’s thought?
      A. Everyday

      TS2 or TS3 hybrid is definitely on my radar, even though there is nothing wrong with my 818. It’s one of the best hybrids I have ever owned. Maybe THE best. But I play virtually everyday and my clubs get a workout. I have a small dent in the crown of my 818 which bugs me when I see it. Have no idea where it came from. Probably from banging the head of another club in the bag. In any case the new TS hybrid will likely replace the 818 before next season. I’ll do a Titleist Thursdays fitting to decide between TS2 and TS3. Pretty sure it will be another 19*. Right now I hit my 19* hybrid about 10-15 yards further than my 22* AP3 4i.

      I presently play AP2/AP3 combo set of irons. I am thinking of upgrading to T100/T200 combo set, but I plan to try the new U-series 4 iron against the T200 4 iron before deciding on make up of new irons. Once all the new Titleist gear is released, I’ll schedule a couple TT event fittings to figure it all out.

      Reply

      Hdtvman

      5 years ago

      Although my irons start at 6, I carry 4-5-6 Ping G410 hybrids.

      Reply

      Dave

      5 years ago

      I have used Alien (yes, Alien) 6, 7, & 8 hybrids for years and love them! I am a 5 handicap and have added a 24* #9 wood recently for my 170 yd. club. Hybrids are so much easier to hit than long irons that it’s ridiculous.

      Reply

      ck52

      5 years ago

      Do you carry hybrids? Yup!
      How many? Two
      What models? Cobra F9 3&4
      When was the last time you replaced or upgraded your hybrids? This year, I was using two Callaways before.
      When was the last time you gave your hybrid even a moment’s thought? Um… typing this? But other than that every round I play, So twice a week at least.

      Reply

      Chuck Zirkle

      5 years ago

      The new hybrids from Titleist got my attention. Current have an 816 18* and an 818 24.5* in my bag with Fujikura shafts and love them. Am definitely looking at their new T series of irons this this year, to replace my 716 AP1 and the new hybrids could be on the horizon. Will check it out with my Titleist certified fitter.

      Reply

      Tim Secor

      5 years ago

      I have 1 older titleist hybrid and i absolutely love it. 19 degree and its my 200 yard club. It inspires confidence off the tee or in the fairway. I know i am due for an upgrade but i love this club so much, i may not ever upgrade.

      Reply

      daviddvm

      5 years ago

      I generally carry two hybrids and sometimes 3. I love hitting hybrids. Titleist 816 19*, 23* and I sometime carry a 27*. I’ll be checking out the TS2 line to match with my TS2 Driver and Fairway.
      Thanks for the article Tony!

      Reply

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