First Look – PXG 0311 GEN 2 IRONS
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First Look – PXG 0311 GEN 2 IRONS

First Look – PXG 0311 GEN 2 IRONS
“3 years ago, when we introduced our first generation 0311 iron, we made a commitment that we would not release a product unless it was significantly better than our existing product… Our GEN 2 Irons are better than our GEN 1 irons in every respect. We believe it’s the best iron ever made and the second-best iron ever made is our GEN 1 iron.” – Bob Parsons, Founder & CEO, PXG

Listen: Adam Beach and Tony Covey Discuss the PXG Business and the 0311 GEN 2 Irons

 

It’s been 3 years since I first drove past a small, indistinct sign and through the front gate at Scottsdale National for the first time, 3 years since PXG launched its first iron, and 3 years since I came to believe that Bob Parsons’ little passion project of a golf company might just work. You know, in spite of its slightly above average price structure.

Of course, that means it’s also been 3 years since readers started throwing around adjectives like arrogant, greedy, and even stupid, 3 years since many of you called BS on all things PXG, and 3 years since speculation began that the company would go belly up within 6 months, a year… three tops.

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Left to right, PXG’s Brad Schweigert, Mike Nicolette, and Bob Parsons.

3-years and 170 patents later, the most generous of those hourglasses have run out of sand and yet here we are… and here still, is PXG. While it mostly caters to a different demographic, its growth and success is perhaps more remarkable than Callaway’s over its recent run. Shocking as it may be to some, not only is PXG still in business, it’s thriving.

The evidence?

The company which, 3-years ago, operated out of a couple of trailers on the Scottsdale National grounds now employs 172. It opened a new building to serve as company headquarters and then promptly outgrew it. In 3 years its professional staff has expanded from one to seventeen (across major U.S. Tours). PXG clubs have been in winners’ bags on both the PGA and LPGA Tours, and while not on the winning side, the company also picked up its first Ryder cup credit.

It has rapidly expanded its footprint at the collegiate level as well. When Nike exited the hardgoods market, it created a void in the college game, which PXG has stepped-up to fill, and heavily so. What’s perhaps more noteworthy is that it has done so while providing equally for men’s and women’s teams. That fact alone makes PXG’s approach to college sponsorships more unusual than most, but for Bob Parsons, doing right by female golfers – even if it never occurred to him to do it any other way – is a part of the PXG success story that’s immensely gratifying.

While the size and reach of the company has grown faster than even Parson’s imagined, 3 years in the golf industry has done nothing to change Bob Parsons’ approach to the golf business. Bob is still Bob, so hate it, love it, or greet it with complete indifference, the next generation of PXG clubs is hitting the market backed with the same… shall we say… unbridled enthusiasm as the original.

“NOBODY MAKES GOLF CLUBS THE WAY WE DO. PERIOD.” is the tagline, and that’s not going to change with the 0311 GEN 2 Iron.

Says Parsons about his latest offering, “Our GEN 2 irons are better than our GEN 1 irons in every respect. We believe it’s the best iron ever made.”

Believe it. Don’t. Either way, I can’t imagine you came here expecting any ambiguity from Mr. Parsons. That’s not how he, and by extension PXG, rolls.

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0311 GEN 2 – Better in Every Respect

When Bob says better in every respect, he means it. Here’s the breakdown of what PXG says makes its GEN 2 better than the original:

  • Longer Distance (faster ball speed)
  • Higher Launch
  • Lower Spin
  • Higher Peak Height
  • Steeper Landing Angle
  • Improved Dispersion

That’s it?

Nope, it’s not. The new irons also offer better turf interaction too, which is an area where the MyGolfSpy staff felt some improvements were needed.

That lower spin thing might throw up some red flags – as well it should. Reduced spin with an iron should always be a concern, but in this case, the combination of higher launch and steeper descent more than makes up for the spin drop and actually provides better stopping power on the greens (or wherever else your ball happens to land).

While it’s not by any definition a performance benefit, I’ll add that it’s my opinion that the new model is also better looking. I’d describe the overall aesthetics as less vintage PING, and more, perhaps even distinctively so, PXG.

None of this should surprise you. This is the golf equipment industry where damn near everybody makes claims. Some are louder than others, and some do it with greater frequency than PXG. By any modern standard, 3 years is a long time between iron releases.

Of course, it’s one thing to make claims, but any R&D guy worth his salt had better be able to explain how they did it. PXG’s engineering team had no trouble walking us through it.

“This is the best way to make irons… If everybody could do it, this is the way all irons would be made.” – Brad Schweigert, Chief Product Officer, PXG

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FASTER COR2 Polymer

At the heart of the GEN2 story, both metaphorically and almost literally, is a new polymer material that PXG calls COR2. PXG won’t say exactly what COR2 is, but it’s definitely not foam… and I don’t know how to put this, but it’s kind of a big deal. In fact, it wasn’t until PXG’s engineers started looking beyond GEN1s TPE material that they found any significant opportunities for improvement.

“We have some imitators out there, but it’s not the same. It doesn’t work the way that our material works.” – Brad Schweigert, Chief Product Officer, PXG

To put hard numbers on it, the new material is 20% faster than TPE, which is one of the reasons why, loft for loft and length for length, GEN 2 irons produce 1-2 MPH more ball speed than the original. That gets you more distance while contributing to a higher trajectory. COR2’s increased resiliency, along with other design enhancements we’ll discuss in a bit, preserve more ball speed on mis-hits, ultimately yielding an eye-opening 40% tighter dispersion.

That’s a big number.

“The number sounds crazy,” says Brad Schweigert, “but it’s real. It comes from robot testing multiple hit locations. We’re seeing a 40% improvement in dispersion.”

It’s notable that relative to GEN 1’s TPE, PXG is using more of the COR2 material in the upper, middle, and lower regions of the cavity. In addition to the distance and dispersion benefits, it’s that extra bit of goo that PXG says creates an appreciable improvement in sound and feel.

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INTERNAL FACE PERIMETER CUT-OUT DESIGN

It’s a bit of a mouthful, but the 2nd major evolution from GEN1 to GEN2 is a new face design that leverages a deeper undercut cavity and moves the welds binding face to body from the face itself to the perimeter (body) of the iron. While PXG doesn’t comment on competitors’ products, functionally the design is similar – at least in function – to what some call a cup face. The updated construction creates a face structure that performs as if it were larger. Schweigert says the functional area of the GEN 2 face is 15% larger than GEN 1’s. That gets you a larger sweet area as well as increased ball speed across the entirety of the face.

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A BODY OF CHANGE

The GEN 2 iron body is forged from 8620. The updated material (GEN 1 was forged from S25C) retains the soft feel, but the new material is stronger which should help reduce dings, dents, and scratches. It’s a nod to the reality that PXG clubs are expensive, and as such, they should be Xtreme(ly) durable.

The face material (high strength HT1770 margining steel) is unchanged, and at only .058” thick, it remains the thinnest face in golf by plenty.

It wouldn’t be a PXG club without the signature screws weights, so to that end, each iron in the GEN 2 family offers 9 weight ports which can be used to fine tune head and swing weights.

Among the changes to the exterior of the irons is a topline that’s both chamfered and angled. The chamfer makes the top rail look a bit thinner while helping to obscure a gradual taper design that allows more mass to be positioned towards the toe for higher MOI. The width of the subtle taper progresses from minimal in the T to a more significant amount in the SGI.

Finally, it’s a small cosmetic thing, but PXG repositioned the sole number such that it’s a bit farther out on the toe. The idea is to make the paintfill last a bit longer by placing the number in an area where ground contact should be minimal.

4 Models

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The three models in the GEN 2 lineup mostly track with the previous generation counterparts, while the 4th, the SGI, is an entirely new offering for the company, and for my money is unlike most anything else on the market.

As you’d expect, head sizes and geometry differ from one model to the next, but the core technologies discussed above are common across the entire lineup.

While PXG is claiming more distance across the board, it’s noteworthy that GEN 2 lofts are identical to those of GEN 1.

0311 T GEN 2

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The closest to a true blade in the GEN 2 lineup, the T (Tour) model is a bit more Tour-centric than the original. MOI is 2% higher and the center of gravity has been pushed a bit deeper, but offset has been reduced which appeals to better players and traditionalists. The 8, 9, and pitching wedge have more rounded profiles to smooth the transition from irons to wedges. Improved turf interaction comes by way of a straighter leading edge, reduced sole camber, and increased trailing edge relief.

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0311 P GEN 2

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The P (Players) is the direct replacement for the original 0311. While it’s used by some of PXG’s Tour staff (particularly on the LPGA), the P is positioned as a viable option for a variety of players from Tour level to double-digit handicaps. Like the T model, the P has been bumped slightly towards the better player end of the fitting spectrum. Compared to the 0311 GEN 1, the GEN 2 offers a thinner topline, a bit less offset, a deeper center of gravity, and 3% higher MOI. As with the T, the P offers a comparatively straighter leading edge and reduced sole camber.

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0311 XF GEN 2

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While still very much the true game-improvement iron of the bunch, the 0311 XF GEN 2 has also been pushed slightly towards the players end of the spectrum. Compared to the GEN 1, the topline is thinner. Offset has actually been increased slightly, though it’s blended a bit better so you’re unlikely to notice. Sole camber has been reduced for better turf interaction. As with the P, MOI is 3% higher than the GEN 1 equivalent.

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0311 SGI GEN 2

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The new addition to the PXG family, in case it isn’t obvious, the SGI stands for Super Game Improvement, and oh boy, is it ever. The SGI is a large, arguably massive iron, with an extremely wide sole, plenty of offset, thick topline, and a long blade length.

It was born from a directive by Bob Parson to create a club that anybody can pick up and play better with. While the SGI doesn’t promise perfection, it’s designed to be mostly miss-proof. “If you can send this club down there somewhere behind the ball,” says PXG’s Senior Product Designer, Mike Nicolette, “the face finds its way into the golf ball, and you hit an adequate golf shot.”

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0311 X GEN 2 Driving Iron

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The updated driving iron follows the trends of the rest of the 0311 GEN 2 lineup. It too has been bumped a bit towards the better player. Now with a thinner topline and reduced sole camber, it can be used off the tee or as a long iron replacement for better players looking to fight the ball low. For many, it won’t be in the bag full-time, but rather will go in the bag when course or weather conditions necessitate.

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Hands-on with PXG 0311 GEN 2

At a recent PXG event at Scottsdale National Golf Club, I had the opportunity to try and be fitted for 0311 GEN 2 Irons.

After getting loose, we started by comparing my GEN 1 0311 irons to the 0311 P with the same shaft in both irons. In this apples to apples comparison, the GEN 2 more than lived up to Bob Parsons’ claims. Ball speeds were higher (~2 MPH), distances were longer (about a half a club on good shots) and standard deviations for both ball speed and carry (solid indicators of forgiveness and dispersion) were tighter. While it’s entirely subjective, I’d also add the GEN 2 product feels a bit softer to me as well.

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As part of the process, I was able to try each of the 4 models, and I went into it with my mind open to any of the 4 heads and without any pre-conceived notions of what shaft or flex I needed. Things change, and it’s been more than a little while since my last full iron fitting.

As much as I like the idea (and the look) of the T, there comes a point where every man needs to understand his limitations. At another time in my life, I may have tried to convince myself I could make it work, but the honest assessment is that no good would come of it for me.

While I was impressed with the performance of the 0311 XF GEN 1, it was a little bigger than what I typically play. Given that, I might not have given it much consideration, but you know… open mind. Also, the distance (190+ yard, super-high, 7-irons) and the refined shape isn’t anything to argue with.

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Ultimately my fitter, Jason, and I settled on a mixed set of 4-6 in the XF and 7-GW in the P with Nippon Modus 3 120 shafts. In the past, I’ve been fitted into KBS C-Tapers, and I’ve done some experimenting lately with the PX LZ, but to move into something entirely different than what I’ve played before brings its own excitement.

As with many irons on the market today, the PXG 0311 GEN 2 lineup is designed to work seamlessly as a mixed/combo set. It’s something I’ve done in the past (particularly with Mizuno), so I was more than comfortable following the same path with PXG. Truth be told, I thought long and hard about taking the XF through the 7-iron, but ultimately decided against it. I may regret it later, but I’d be saying the same thing about the 0311 P GEN 2 7-iron if I had gone the other way. Time will tell if I made the right choice there.

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I also had a chance to try the SGI, and while it’s not for me, within its category (and with the requisite price notwithstanding disclaimer) it should be an absolute standout. It’s next to impossible to hit fat, it launches high (score another victory for dynamic vs. static loft), and the feel is an inarguably best in class for the category. From that perspective, it’s basically indistinguishable from any other iron in the 0311 GEN 2 family, and that’s simply not something you find in the SGI category. It’s an absolutely absurd iron (in the best possible way), and if, in the interest of putting a great iron in more golfers’ hands, I could convince Mr. Parsons to lower prices on any of his clubs, this is the one I’d fight for. I’m reasonably certain I wouldn’t get very far, but it’s the thought that counts, right?

“I think almost all golfers, if they were truthful, would aspire to play PXGs.” – Mike Nicolette, Senior Product Designer, PXG

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Higher Prices

With each new release, PXG has steadily increased prices, so it shouldn’t come as any great shock that the 0311 GEN 2 irons are now $400/per club. The price hike is partially offset by the fact that there is no longer an upcharge for graphite or any of PXG’s other 105 iron shaft offerings for that matter.

I get that even without upcharges, $400 still a lot of money for a golf club, but it’s at least worth pointing out that not only is there no such thing as a stock set of PXGs, there’s not such a thing as a PXG fitting cart either. In addition to PXG’s Scottsdale-based fitting studio and the other anchored PXG fitters across the country, the company has 46 mobile fitting vans serving the U.S., Canada, and the U.K., each stocked with everything you’d find at PXG HQ. We’re talking about a massive inventory of heads along with 300+ shafts.

Fittings take 1-2 hours, and you’re not going to get kicked out if you run long. The fitting is either free or is rolled into the cost of the clubs, and PXG encourages what it calls Spec Checks; follow-up mini fittings to verify that what you were fitted for still works for you. When changes need to be made, they’re often free, and when replacements are necessary, they’re offered at reasonable prices.

“At the end of the day,” says Bob Parsons, “We’re a very affordable luxury.”

Yes, PXG costs more, but with that, you get a level of service uncommon to the golf equipment business. In a nutshell, that’s the PXG way.

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Price and Availability

Retail price for PXG 0311 GEN 2 Irons is $400/club Chrome and $500/club Xtreme Dark. Availability begins April 19, 2018.

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Tony is the Editor of MyGolfSpy where his job is to bring fresh and innovative content to the site. In addition to his editorial responsibilities, he was instrumental in developing MyGolfSpy's data-driven testing methodologies and continues to sift through our data to find the insights that can help improve your game. Tony believes that golfers deserve to know what's real and what's not, and that means MyGolfSpy's equipment coverage must extend beyond the so-called facts as dictated by the same companies that created them. Most of all Tony believes in performance over hype and #PowerToThePlayer.

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      SHANNON

      4 years ago

      Hi currently you can get the Gen 2 irons for 159 US a club ( down from 400 )..till at least June 1st 2020…i picked up the SGI irons for 129 a club and am excited to get them….soft as butter and smooth is the feel….love your articles Tony and the work you guys do…..cheers

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      D Moore

      6 years ago

      Great review. I’ve played my Gen 1 0311T irons, 0811x driver, 0341X 2 wood, 0317X hybrid, 58 degree milled wedge and putter long enough to say they are the best clubs I have ever played. Once I factored in the graphite (in my woods and irons) and compared that to other OEM “upcharges” the costs were not that far apart. Once I saw first hand the customer experience with follow up and fittings—I’m sold. It’s almost a Tour Van type experience every time I meet with my fitter.

      I just ordered my first Gen2 club and cannot wait for it to arrive.

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      Scott

      6 years ago

      Fantastic article. Negative comments that followed are normal whenever PXG is mentioned. I’m already booked for my fitting and next week can’t come soon enough. Well written article and congrats to PXG’s success. Cheers.

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      Brian Morrissey

      6 years ago

      As an experienced club fitter after 18 years PXG is the best club I have ever fitted or hit. We have fitted a lot of clients who came in with the other brands and every time we get superior performance with the PXG over any other brand that I sell of have seen. Custom fitting requires fitting excellence as well as component excellence. You can’t have one without the other. Our club specs are .25 of 1% off each other before going out the door. We have always invited clients back in to hit each club before leaving with the clubs.

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      Mike Horn

      6 years ago

      Over the course of 200 rounds, I have come to dislike the “soggy potatoes” feeling of my PXG 0311XF irons. Yes, soft PXG irons might feel better than a solid iron while hitting off a plastic mat or while pounding multiple driving range balls into space, but on the golf course, the 0311XF irons provide almost no “feedback” and no “feel”. I am replacing my 0311XF irons and will not consider 0311 Gen2. i200, Rogue, AP1, and even P790 are all under consideration although my experience with “foam filled” irons is NOT positive and I will definitely return to firm feeling irons.

      If bad hits always “feel good” due to “foam injection” and a player has little feedback to judge mishits by, ball flight dispersion and scores will go up over time. What feels and perorms the best in the club fitters hitting bay might not perform the best on the golf course over numerous rounds.

      My $850 PXG 0811X driver felt like I was “squashing marshmallows” off the tee and had NO feel. 0811X driver was replaced with a G400LST after only a few months of play. G400, Epic and M3/M4 all beat 0811X in every aspect of driving.

      The forged grooves on my thin faced “foam filled” (very soft) PXG 311XF wedges quickly wore out and resulted in low-spin “knuckle balls”. Not wanting to spend $600 on a PXG milled wedge, I replaced 0811XF wedges with Glide 2.0 Stealth wedges and my short game instantly benefited from the vastly superior firm “feel” and spin.

      Very disatisfied with my PXG foam filled irons and that … driver …. and slowely replacing every PXG club in my bag with products that cost 1/3 as much and perform and “feel” better for me on the golf course.

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      Tony Covey

      6 years ago

      There is no “foam” in any PXG iron. PXG used an injected TPE and now COR2 (polymer) material. All this talk of foam…are you sure you’re not playing TaylorMade?

      Dave S

      6 years ago

      Tony — do you play PXG clubs? If yes, did you pay for the set you play with? If you didn’t, that’s probably important to disclose.

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      Tony Covey

      6 years ago

      Dave – If my memory serves, you’ve probably commented a couple hundred times or so by now over the years, and so it’s at least interesting to me that across all of our product introductions, and reviews, and stories, you’ve never previously asked about whether we were provided the equipment by any of those brands. It’s curious what prompted you, a longtime reader, to ask the question after we posted a PXG story?

      Short answer, yes, PXG provided me with clubs. I played the original 0311 for the better part of 2 years before experimenting last year with Cobra ONE Length and Mizuno MP-18s. Both of those sets were also provided by the respective manufacturer. The same is true for every piece of gear in my bag, as well as every piece of gear in the bags of nearly everybody in golf media. I was really impressed with what I saw in the fitting and on the course, so I’ll start my season with the GEN2s in the bag and as is always the case, I’ll make adjustments when I think I can do better.

      A reader who hasn’t been around quite as long as you have emailed me with a similar question and also about whether we were compensated for the story, and how we came to be invited to the PXG event. To hopefully add a bit more clarity, here are the relevant portions of my response.


      We’ve talked about this several times through the years, but I’m happy to give you the quick overview.

      The short answer is no, there was no compensation. Our relationship with PXG is typical of our relationships with just about every other equipment manufacturer. We don’t accept money/ad dollars/review compensation/etc. from any of the mid to large golf companies. We don’t have a hard and fast rule as to how that’s defined, but generally, the line is about 3% total market share. By that definition, we could accept PXG dollars, but because of the controversial nature of the brand, it’s not an arrangement we’d consider.

      Just to give you some background on how the industry as a whole works, To the best of my knowledge every brand maintains a media list – and while it’s never talked about, most (if not all) separate their lists into tiers. Depending on the scope of any given media event, the top tier or two gets invites, after that, some get product samples, and after that, it’s press releases in your mailbox. For many brands, MyGolfSpy is in that top tier.

      Every company operates a bit differently. TaylorMade, PXG, and Nike before they exited tend to favor larger media events (+/- a dozen different outlets were at the PXG event). Every couple of years, Cobra will do a small to mid-sized media event, but for the most part Cobra, PING, and Titleist, for example, favor individual site visits. Generally, we visit PING twice a year, Cobra at least once. I expect between ball and clubs we may have a couple of Titleist visits this year. We also have something scheduled with Mizuno in the coming months. Before we got put on the naughty list, TaylorMade was 2-3 events annually. Tour Edge hosts a massive media event ahead of the PGA Show annually. Basically, media events and visits of varying scale are commonplace.

      PXG provided clubs for all of the media members in attendance. Again, this isn’t unusual, whether it’s a media event or a one-on-one site visit, fitting the media for and providing that new product is standard practice across the industry. If you’re going to write about a product it’s always better to have detailed info, and hands-on experience. Given the push towards custom fitting (PXG is only sold through custom fitters), it’s not surprising that most brands prefer that product be fitted.

      Some outlets have policies that preclude editorial staff from accepting clubs without paying for them (what generally happens in those cases is that a HEAVILY discounted – literal pennies on the dollar – rate is negotiated). What’s ironic is that those are almost always the same outlets who profit on the other end via heavy ad dollars from those same golf companies.

      Shortly after PXG launched (and started signing tour pros) we made the decision to cover it like we would any other golf brand. Yeah…the clubs are expensive, but we learned a long time ago that trying to be the arbiters of value was a fool’s errand. That’s not our place. I’d also add that the entry of brands like Titleist and Callaway into the premium market, along with a bigger push from premium priced brands like XXIO and Honma has validated that decision. The stupid expensive market is one of the few areas where sales are actually increasing.

      ———

      So yes, PXG provided clubs, but the same can be said for basically every brand we – or anybody else with any influence – covers.

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      Dave S

      6 years ago

      Tony — Your response seems a little more defensive than I thought it would. If you go back and look, I’d say 99% of my comments on this site (and other platforms) are positive and defending MGS–as I think you’re the best in the industry with what you’re doing.

      I knew you at one point played PXG clubs, with all the stuff you get, had no idea if you still did. And further yet, didn’t know if you’re playing the brand new stuff you’re writing about in this peice.

      All I was intending to say is that where you end up getting free stuff from manufacturers such as PXG, that are truly priced out of most people’s range, it might be important to disclose your position with them to avoid any questions or the appearance of impropriety that many may latch onto. I suspect (though obviously don’t know) that you might not be playing PXG clubs if you had to buy them at retail. Which is understandable and makes them different than most other clubs you get for free. I just think it’s important to overshare in cases like this– which you typically do.

      Tony Covey

      6 years ago

      Dave – You’ll have to forgive me, it’s a pretty steady stream of accusations and assaults on my credibility just about everytime we cover PXG. And it’s noteworthy (at least to me) when it comes from readers who never blink when we cover any other brand in a similar fashion. We bust ass around here, we’d like to think we do good work – in my biased opinion, it’s the best equipment coverage anywhere – and we’ve done it for nearly a decade now without taking a dime from anybody bigger than Tour Edge. I read your comment as an implication that PXG provided some sort of reward for positive coverage. If that wasn’t your intent, I apologize, but the fact of the matter is that our relationship with PXG is the same as it is with most brands – and I thought most understood that being fitted for and taking home golf gear is a job perkm but again, while PXG might have higher prices, they don’t treat us differently, nor do we treat them differently than most any other OEM we work with. If anything, PXG tends to be a bit stingier with gear than most. It ain’t like I got a set of milled wedges in my bag and from what I’m told, nobody gets the black stuff without paying the full ride.

      Point is, while I can see why readers fixate on the price, the experience in terms of working with/covering the brand and the gear isn’t any different from my side of things.

      What you’re asking is almost two questions, I think. Would I play PXG if I had to pay full retail for them? Probably not (that’s not unique to PXG either). At my income level, it would be hard justification (and my wife would kill me). That said, I loved the GEN 1 iron. It lasted in my bag 2 full seasons, which is basically unheard of. I displaced them for my ONE Length experiment, they went back in the bag mid-season, and lasted until I got a set of MP-18s which I played until the snow fell. What I saw suggests a GEN 2 iron that’s quantifiably better than the GEN 1 and I can’t say it enough how insanely good the SGI is within that category.

      So would I, again, probably not. Having played the GEN 1 and having some experience with the GEN 2, would I want to play them? Hell yes. I suspect the GEN 2s will stay in the bag every bit as long as the 1s, which is again, for me, unheard of.

      Dave S

      6 years ago

      Tony – appreciate the follow-up and the in-depth explanation. I 100% agree with you, and if I was to happen upon a free set of PXG irons, you sure as hell better believe they’d be in my bag!

      Sorry for the miscommunication. In going back and re-reading my OP cold, I can see how you might have thought I was implying some sort of back-scratching arrangement… I can assure you I was not. Frankly, I cannot stand the posters that come on her and challenge your methodology or integrity, b/c 99.9% of the time, they are either ignorant/naive at best, or willfully vindictive at worst. I was hoping to flesh-out the details of something, I assumed, the haters would latch onto… however, I think the comment was probably ill-timed and misplaced here. Keep doing what you do; it’s a real service to the golfing public.

      BTW, if you ever tire of those GEN1 PXG’s, I know a guy who will drive from DC to Yorktown to take them off your hands, free of charge ;)

      Larry

      6 years ago

      Two things that really make golf fun, 1.Making the tee time, 2.Being able to play the equipment you want. The rest of the game is a pain in butt. If one wants to play PXG then work and save and buy them, if one wants to play them and can then they will work for you….same as that tee time at Pebble if you can afford it, it is worth it….that is golf….

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      Anonymous

      6 years ago

      1.47mm face vs other brands at 1.6mm. I guess that makes the difference. Pxg is good and has unique design. More a status symbol

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      Mike Horn

      6 years ago

      I own PXG 0311XF (black) 3i-LW irons, 2 x PXG putters and I owned a 811x driver. PXG does NOT sell exclusivity. Anyone with a credit card can own a $3K-$5K set of clubs. PXG says their 2ndGen is “better than the best”. The implied message is PXG sells the “best” golf clubs. From my perspective as a consumer, a better golf club should result in better performance on the golf course. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. My PXG driver was absolutely the worst performing driver of any driver on the market and it’s sitting on the trade-in rack at the local retailer. My 311XF irons perform adequately but are absolutely NO BETTER than any comparable iron from PING, Calloway, Titleist or TM. My next set of irons will NOT be PXG. In fact, my PXG wedges are the worst performing wedge I have ever owned. In all honesty, about the only PXG product I like is my PXG putters and that is strictly a personal choice. PXG products are NOT “better” in my opinion and in many cases, underperform compared to products costing 1/3 as much.

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      Dan Z

      6 years ago

      While I’m put off by PXG’s “bravado” it’s not so much that I wouldn’t buy them if they work — especially given the customer service.

      I am also very fond of the ability to seamlessly mix the players and game improvement sets. I’m a hack like most of your readers. Currently, I game a set of iBlades and a set of i200s that I mix and match. I also have a GMax 5 iron that’s taken up permanent residence in my bag — soon to be replaced with a G700.

      How about a head to head on 5-7-9 mixed GI/players spec combo from major manufacturers?

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      JE

      6 years ago

      Dude, you have PING. There’s nowhere else to go.

      At least with PING you know the specs will be right. All I’ve heard are horror stories with all of the independent clubs assemblers for PXG getting them wrong and having to re-work them.

      If I pay that much for a set of clubs I expect them to be to NASA specs and not have to be re-worked.

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      Clayobx

      6 years ago

      Thank you Tony for a very informative review. I have played this great game for over fifty years and watched the research and development of the golf ball and clubs. Nothing but great for the game. Innovation is much to often looked upon as “bad” for the game! Crap! Hats off to all the marvelous companies growing the game I love dearly. PXG
      Included?

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      William

      6 years ago

      The talk in the golf world is trying to expand the game of golf. The only thing I see expanding is manufacturer profits. How many people do you expect to attract to the game paying $3000 to $5000 for clubs, bags, shoes and balls? I think I can get the same results at a much less cost and enjoy the game on the same level. My ego doesn’t fit PXG’s profile.

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      Gorden

      6 years ago

      More today then ever there are three levels to the game of golf, the Pro game of course, the high end Country Club game and the dying public course golf…the public golf game is in more trouble now then ever before, for example in California courses are closing all the time because the land is worth more being developed, and Country Clubs are going semi or totally public more and more. Golf is being made into a very selfish rich man’s game and club companies are chasing that path… I can guarantee you if it were not for the over age 50 men and women playing the game more then Half the public courses in California alone would be gone….count the number of public courses in America today and compare that number in 30 years….lets make more $3000 sets of clubs and $50 dollar a dozen balls….

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      Mike Horn

      6 years ago

      I own a full set of PXG 0311XF (black) 3i – LW and have played them for 18-months. I have also owned a 0811X Driver. The irons absolutely DO NOT perform better than any comparable club from Ping, Calloway, or Taylormade. In fact, the PXG irons are too soft resulting in very little feedback, the grooves wear quickly resulting in dead knuckle balls and the turf interaction is inconsistent resulting in wide dispersion. The 0811X Driver was absolutely the worst driver I have ever owned. I have NO issue with anyone who spends $400 on a single iron, $600 for a wedge, or $850 for a driver. I DO have an issue with a manufacturer who makes claims about their product being “the best” when in fact, their products perform (on the golf course) no better than a stock Ping G400 or Calloway Rogue (for 1/3 the cost).

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      Majormike

      6 years ago

      Mike Horn experience with PXGs show that Mr Parson’s is possibly selling golf consumers a bag full of hype. The fact that buyers have to have the specs on a $400 iron adjusted is outrageous. We may have a new “Deloren” company in the making. I bet when the pedal hits the metal and consumers wise up; Mr Parsons will tire of his little adventure and sell or close the venture. Or maybe, here’s an idea, he might realize he could produce good clubs at a reasonable price for ALL golfers instead of his elitist hype.

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      T.J. H.

      6 years ago

      When PXG first came out I admit I was like “the club’s look weird and are too expensive, I’d never even look at them” . Fast forward to now, being the gear head that I am and looking at the r&d put into these clubs, this is the first set I’d like to give a try. 0311 P seem to be something I may actually game, but I still don’t think I’d be willing to spend that money. Love the game, play enough, but just can’t wrap my head around it (yet). I’d love to get a fitting or go to a fitting event near me, and would be willing to let the performance change my mind. However I’d need clubs from other companies nearby to compare them to, just to be sure the price tag would be worth it. A yard or 2 isn’t worth $3000 in my opinion unless the look and feel was just that great. #TeamMizuno

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      Nottingtom

      6 years ago

      Tony a great insight as usual, thank you. Genuinely interested to know your thoughts on loft jacking in general got specific to pxg – generally across the industry) and slower swingers. In terms of your (senior – hopefully they won’t mind me adding that) ladies driver test; you were fairly explicit in concluding the super slow swingers needed drivers with more loft and more spin to allow the ball to stay airborne. I know the low lofts here (my jpx tour 7i is 35°) are offset slightly by the higher launch, but while this undoubtedly adds distance when your 7i is swing at 80+ mph when do you start to see drop offs? I know the fitters will sort this out for any lower swing speed players (probably by putting hybrids in the bag after 6i), but as a generalization MOST clubs are bought off the rack as you guys state in the most wanted tests. So where do the drop off start and the super long clubs become not so super long? Ie low spin low launch pea rollers!? My dad (65 years young) maxed driver at 88mph and 5i through hybrids, fairways and driver struggles to get the ball up in the air. Would be interesting to see some numbers from you guys, especially given the realities of an aging population and golfing demographic.
      Re all the complaints re price, no one outside of the types (like me and you guys reading, which by now will be very very few) will know how much these bats cost. My dad has been a member of a golf club for 30years and his buddies have no clue.
      Secondary thought, I just ordered a new Audi which is ostensibly the same and the VW Golf I have with some extra bells and whistles (and ponies), but £18k more expensive. a) that probably makes me very daft, but I doubt I would get the same level of vitriol for the decision as someone buying pxg and b) I could have bought a full set of pxg’s over the next few life cycles for that! Everyone makes their choice why do we have to get so worked up about it?
      PS this is way too long to spell check sorry grammar police ?

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      Tony Covey

      6 years ago

      The more time I spend with ‘jacked’ clubs, the more I start to think the outrage of loft jacking is misguided (at best).

      What most who get upset don’t seem to want to acknowledge is that static loft doesn’t mean a whole lot. Nobody delivers a 28°club with 28° of loft. The mass and cg placement of the head contributes to dynamic loft, as does the behavior of the shaft. If you look at the evolution of design over the last decade or so…CGs are appreciable lower and deeper (especially in the GI and SGI space), shafts have gotten lighter (more speed = higher flight) while modern profiles (again- especially those used in GI and SGI clubs) also contribute to an increase in dynamic loft, which also contribues to higher flight.

      So if we want to focus just on static loft – a modern club with 38° of measured loft is absolutely going to launch higher (fly higher and land softer) than a 38° club from a decade ago. In some cases, for example, a modern clubs with 36°…maybe even 35° degrees of loft (depending on what we’re comparing too) is going to have a higher peak trajectory and steeper landing angle.

      Ultimately what I settle on is this…no matter what era, what static loft, there comes a point in time when any given golfer can’t get the club in the air. A guy who can’t get a 40° club in the air today (it happens), wouldn’t have been able to get a 40° club in the air a decade ago…so in that respect the number on the sole doesn’t matter, but all things being equal, if I struggle to get the ball in the air, I’d happily take my chances with a modern club – even if the lofts are a degree or two stronger.

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      Nottingtom

      6 years ago

      Appreciate the response. My speeds are approximate to yours in the articles so the high launch low spin definitely work well for me. I ha the cf 16 apex and liked them but found my good shots could get fliers even from the tee. Wouldn’t matter but my good shots didn’t happen frequently enough to club for them if that makes sense.
      Agree modern clubs easier to hit for sure. What I’m not sure about is is sub 90mph driver (I’m guessing sub 75 mph 7i) wouldn’t be better with sgi and higher loft to make sure they get it up ? and increase carry?
      Would be nice to see a small sample of data.
      I know some have a different view on lofts to you but I’ve generally though the launch and descent angles, as per Andrew Rice and yourselves (I’m sure plenty of others too but I hear it from you) makes more sense than spin as a factor in stopping power.
      One thing about spin is rpm /10 (at least as the ball is hardly ever in the air for 6 seconds) plus the deceleration in rpm by the time it reaches target mean that the actual difference in the revolutions in the last ten feet if travel would be much less than the 500 to 1000 rpm difference on launch but I know a lot disagree!

      nef

      6 years ago

      I think you are obsessing over a club that none of us who read this blog can afford. PXG is not made for us or marketed to us. No one in their right mind needs a Bugatti Chiron, yet they are still made and sold (very well form what I understand). The Chiron will get you to the same place as a Jeep diesel in the same time over the same roads (and more surfaces). I don’t think about a Chiron when I car shop. I couldn’t afford the front left tire, let alone the car. But it doesn’t offend me that many very rich people have that car plus several more. If that’s the circle you belong to, more power to you. We are just kids looking through the window and making sour grapes because we know its not for the likes of us. I also couldn’t afford membership in Augusta (not that I would ever be invited). They take the annual operating costs, divide by the membership and send out a bill (if any). The Masters profits probably underwrite the whole operation. Regardless, we are not in that class of golf club members. Does that mean you should rant at the clubs like Seminole and Augusta or others where we couldn’t get in the parking lot let alone the front door. We just accept that its not us. Same with PXG. You have no basis for any sniping or “knowing” comments unless you have actually gone through the fitting and purchased a set. Anything else is just sour grapes projected by your inferiority complex over clubs we really know nothing about form experience. Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it is a very real metaphor in this case.

      All this blog did was report on a new club. Leave your arrogance and envy at home and just enjoy reading about something none of us will ever have like a personal 727 jet.

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      DaveMac

      6 years ago

      I essentially agree with your analogy although the price ratio between your two car examples is significantly larger than PXG’s additional cost over the mainstream.

      My issue with PXG is that the mainstream manufacturers have used PXG’s prices to justify significant price hikes over the last 3 years.

      PXG have made golf equipment more expensive for everyone.

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      Tony Covey

      6 years ago

      Pinning price hikes on PXG is a convenient fallacy. I had conversations with insiders well before the first PXG club was released about how prices absolutely had to increase. We’ve covered this before, but overseas costs (labor, more complex manufacturing, transportation) had steadily risen, but retail prices remained static. OEM margins on hard goods had reached the point of unsustainability.

      PXG didn’t do this, it simply entered the market with prices adjusted (and then some) for the new reality.

      You’d be surprised at how many hard good brands continue to operate in the red…or barely in the black. TM ran red for years and is now barely black. Callaway, despite its success, was barely black on its own. It got some cash from its Top Golf Investment, and OGIO and Travis Mathew should help moving forward. Titleist/Acushnet has the ball and the shoes (FootJoy). Beyond that, you’re looking at red ink or small brands that are just getting by.

      Bob Parsons saw an opportunity in the market for a luxury performance brand and then built an experiential platform around it. It’s a situation where you have to stop thinking in percentages and start thinking in dollars. Sure, PXG is 3x most other brands, but that means it’s only 2K more than most. For a good bit of the PXG customer base, and extra 2-3K on a set of clubs is less than the functional equivalent of most of us spending an extra $50-$100 to get a slightly larger TV.

      At the PXG event I played with a gentleman who was there as a thank you to PXG’s most loyal customres. His introduction to the brand started when his father gave him a PXG Experience package as a gift (currently priced at $17,500). That got him one set (plus the rest of the package)…by the end of his 1st round at Scottsdale National (also part of the package) he joined the club, and has since bought a few more sets.

      It’s not unusual for a PXG customer to spend more getting to and from Phoenix/Scottsdale than on the clubs (and then join the club). It’s a different demographic – one that values the higher level of service and, to a degree, the exclusivity of it – and of course, has the means to pay for it (one guy has bought 26 sets so far!).

      PXG us becoming a self-supporting ecosystem – and while I get that it may sound silly for any of us rolling eyes at golf clubs that cost 5K, we see the same loyalty to other brands. The only difference is the price, and honestly, probably the level of service too.

      And while I’m absolutely certain PXG has enticed the likes of Callaway and Titleist into the premium space, forced Miura and Epon to put real tech in their US lines, inspired copycats and an increase in the volume of hollow body irons, it hasn’t had any impact on the mainstream offerings from traditional OEMs. Costs in that segment were going up well before Bob Parsons showed up.

      DaveMac

      6 years ago

      Tony, I really appreciate the very detailed reply and do remember your article. Regardless of the cause, mainstream golf equipment has once again reached a price point beyond a justifiable luxury. I am old enough to have been buying in the days of the Titainium Biggest Big Bertha and the Goldwin AVDP, the market didn’t tolerate those prices for too long.
      Entry level drivers from Ping, Taylormade and Mizuno are now £350, Callaway’s entry price is £429.
      Iron set prices have pretty much doubled in the last 3 years.

      Andrew Han

      6 years ago

      Why are you grouping every reader here into one category? How do you know I can’t afford it, and even if I can’t, doesn’t mean I’m not interested in it. It likes top gear shouldn’t review or test any super premium sport car because the average viewer couldn’t afford it. No, absolutely no. The original Top Gear does review with great passion. You can say the same with fashion, food blogs, HGTV, and so forth.

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      NEF

      6 years ago

      Where in my comment did I even imply MGS should not have reviewed the clubs. I am responding to the many posts damning PXG and MGS for the review. My point was to stop the grousing and sour grapes because of price and comments on quality by people who haven’t played the club.

      I, too, happen to enjoy Top Gear. I couldn’t afford the right front tire of many of the cars the original show reviewed (and now, The Grand Tour), but that doesn’t stop my enjoyment of seeing the cars and hearing the professionals discuss them. Same here, I have no issue with the review only the sniping and negative comments that followed. No, neither I not many of those readers can afford PXG’s. So what? Just stop being snarky because you can’t personally afford them and don’t snipe about quality or not as good as if you haven’t been fitted and actually played them. Mr. Covey has and came away impressed. The rest of us who haven’t do not possess any basis for the comments that I saw posted and felt compelled to post my own take.

      Brownie

      6 years ago

      Not knocking these. But if I was going to spend that sort of money on irons I’d buy something totally customised and built purely for me, like Boyd blade and ferrule irons grinds done by Don White! Just saying

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      Majormike

      6 years ago

      A $500 PXG iron is not a solution to your game, it is a problem for golf.
      Golf only grew when it moved from the elite country club crowd to public ventues and allowed the the common person to play this great game for areasonnable fee. Now we have high green fees and equipment costs driving people away from the game. Now all the manufactures are telling you can buy a game which is totally hype. PXG only adds to this hype at an outrageous price point. Secondly, I have not seen any financial statement showing PXG making money. Parsons is a great boaster and extremely overbearing. I have played numerous rounds over the last 3 years and have not seen one person playing PXGs. I have seen Homnas and Muiras though. Online tests havent shown any great performance gain versus price point. Mr Parsons should go away quietly and sell to his rich buds and stop telling people you can buy a game. Practice and good instuction will give you far greater gains and enjoyment. It will also leave lots more money in your pocket!!!

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      mackdaddy

      6 years ago

      $500 per iron comes to $5000 from lob to 4 iron. I can’t imaging any iron is worth $300 per iron more than my KZG irons! I hit the gen 1 irons and they were nowhere near as soft feeling as my KZG’s.

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      Spitfisher

      6 years ago

      Thank you MGS once again for the review.

      What I would like to know….Where will this second wave of first adopters going to come from? Will Ap2 players or Mizuno players just drop their clubs and buy these? or will they migrate to a $1250 set of Taylormade’s 790s with Nippon 120 shafts. From what i hear Mr Parsons got an A+ in marketing & drawing a ton of attention to that 790 iron, so much so taylormade ran out of them. BTW its a very nice iron.

      A billionaire could have a cover charge to enter an outhouse long enough to call it a business, just sayin….

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      CJ

      6 years ago

      They are simply selling exclusivity, which makes it exciting for some and appalling to others. If you like having something else few others have then buy them, but the truth is that it’s unlikely their performance is measurably better than a number of other options.

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      Dave S

      6 years ago

      This guy Andrew Han, replying to every negative comment, has got to be a PXG lurker. All his comments sound like they were written by a PR dept.

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      Spitfisher

      6 years ago

      No doubt about it, Mr Han is in marketing. One thing he doesn’t address is once these gen 2 are released, who in their right mind would waste money on last years model. I mean after all I know who buys these PXG and its not for their technical manufacturing…Their wives and daughter bought UGG boots a few years ago for the same reason…. LOL

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      Larry

      6 years ago

      How do you people that paid out $2,500 or more last year feel? But you can maybe get $700 if you sell them, you know they have been fit for you and anyone buying will be basically buying off the rack…If PXG was really up front they would boost the trade in value on their own clubs so fans of them can keep current….yea that is going to happen…..

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      Dave S

      6 years ago

      To be fair, people buying PXGs probably don’t give a crap about the cost and are likely already booking their fitting for the new ones.

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      Andrew Han

      6 years ago

      Wrong demographics, their customer base don’t give a fly about cost. They probably own a set of 14, honma, xxio, and whatever premium.

      You must feel bad every time you bought a car and driven off the lot. Do you realize the depreciation on those assets after a year.

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      Benseattle

      6 years ago

      The makers of Ben Hogan irons had it right a few years ago when they labeled clubs with the DEGREES OF LOFT rather than a meaningless number that can be easily manipulated. Manufacturers must think most consumers are idiots. (Oh wait…)

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      John Willson

      6 years ago

      It does not matter to me how good they are, or anything else about them, because I can’t afford them and won’t even look. I doubt if their owners, inventors, or the pros that play them will gain one stroke because they are “better.” This is, however, the next in a long line of golf industry price jumps. The last one was Calloway, which knocked the entire industry up several hundred dollars for the average consumer. If this one works that way–and there is no other reason for it to exist, I might learn to resent it. For now, who cares?

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      Andrew Han

      6 years ago

      You doubt that it will make their owners any better? That is a bold statement to make without any facts. That is implying that PXG is just stamping out generic clubs and filling them up with plastic and marking them up. There is an exclusivity premium in there, but it also include heavy R&D, testing, patent cost, and marketing. Emphasis on R&D to make the club, hence the player better. Otherwise he would come out every year. Bob created the company because he wanted better clubs without cost constraints and within legal limits.

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      Dave S

      6 years ago

      He wasn’t trying to offend you, Mr. Parsons.

      Andrew Han

      6 years ago

      @Dave, what a relief. I went through so many bills wiping my tears

      Steve S

      6 years ago

      I was not one of those guys that thought this venture would fail. 1. Parson’s has so much money and this is a relatively a small part of his enterprise that his ego won’t let it fail. I say good for him.
      2. Parson’s understands branding better than anyone I’ve seen. He knows that there is a small but wealthy part of humanity that will pay outrageous money for “status symbols”. Maserati, Bugatti, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Louis Vitton, Neiman Marcus, etc. are proof of this. Scotty and Betty putters are proof in golf. Sell like crazy but always finish near the bottom of MGS tests.
      3. This is capitalism at it’s best and worst. The great part is that we have the freedom to ignore it all if for some strange reason it pisses you off.
      3.

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      Jose

      6 years ago

      MGS testing shows that PXG irons perform very well. Personally I like a solid forged iron. For people looking for a players iron that really performs and one with which one can work the ball 6 ways, I would recommend trying Wilson FG V6 Forged irons. Great performance, great price. I have these with NS 950 Regular flex shafts.

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      BrianM

      6 years ago

      If you go to Club Champion and get fit for clubs you will spend at least $3200.00. It sounds like PXG is offering the same thing they do
      ( fittings, shafts, follow up spec checks ect.) If that is the case maybe they price really isn’t that high. By the way I did go to club champion and PXG was one of the clubs I tested. For me I had better results with several other clubs.

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      JimB

      6 years ago

      These irons don’t look any kind of special to me and the lofts are getting crazy. Wedge used to be 50deg and 5 iron 30deg. Pretty soon guys will have 6 or 7 wedges in the bag.

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      Hslrckt

      6 years ago

      I recently tested the first generation 0311T irons out (compared to Epon AF Tours, Miura MC 501s and Titleist MBs among others).

      I was reluctant to even try the PXGs out, both because the company’s attitude is so obnoxious and because I find the clubs to not look nearly as good as classic blades.

      I must admit that they are the real deal. They performed as good (and if I am being honest with myself, better) than the other irons I tried and I am a Miura true believer playing baby blades presently).

      Are they worth the money? I think the answer to that is a personal one for an individual to decide.

      Would I buy them thinking they will improve my game significantly? No. Would I buy them because the feeling the club delivers when I hit the ball will make playing a round of golf more enjoyable? Maybe!

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      Dave

      6 years ago

      Very in depth article enjoyed the read. Hats off to his company and clubs wish him all the best. He employees 172 , has a number of pros playing them so there must be something in the clubs. Bob is a bit rough around the edges but aren’t we all at times.

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      Steve

      6 years ago

      Another verification that golf is a rich man’s sport. Can’t think of one golfer and I belong to a golf club, that would pay $400 let alone $500 for one iron. Ludicrous would be a descriptive word to use why someone would pay that much for a set, when there are quality iron sets available for a LOT LESS..
      If you need to improve your golf game, golf lessons are the answer, not a set of IRONS for $4,000 to $5,000.

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      Andrew Han

      6 years ago

      Yet there are muni and public courses well accessible to the average person. Try telling equipment doesn’t do much to those former Nike guys that switched and picked up 7 yards and playing for a million a week. The cost is irrelevant because they are other playerrs. It’s like choosing to buy a fit, corolla, civic, and Prius. All gas sippers, gets you to a to b, but the latter is an enormous premium, which is just the savings you get over the other models. You’re just paying it up front.

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      JOEL GOODMAN

      6 years ago

      they look superb and i wish i could afford them. Since I cannot. I will stay with my misuno mp25s. I believe all the negative comments are just because they either can’t or won’t afford clubs this expensive. Golf sadly is an expensive game to play even if your clubs come from Walmart.

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      Andrew Han

      6 years ago

      I don’t know where you live, but Los Angeles is 50 with cart. That is happy hour cost except you come home sober, 4.5 hours after, clean liver, a nice workout, and maybe pissed, maybe happy.

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      JimB

      6 years ago

      MP4’s look way way better than these … but I never hit one and if I was looking down at one of these I’d probably just put it back and not even swing it.

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      joe G

      6 years ago

      These irons have nothing even near the feel or accuracy of the
      MIURA 001. irons.Not even close.i am all ready repairing them.

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      Theedpatt

      6 years ago

      Have you hit the Gen2 PXG irons or are you a brand snob/loyalist?

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      Theedpatt

      6 years ago

      I would also guarantee that any of these will be just as accurate, if not more so, than Miura’s butter knife blade. Think rationally Joe!!

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      Alex

      6 years ago

      There is so much that I like about what this company is doing, it is shame there is an equal amount of things they are doing that would make me never want to buy their products. Other companies (very slowly) are coming into the idea of a similar look throughout their different sets to allow players to more seamlessly blend different types of irons. Also really like the fitting methodology and check up visits. Also a big fan of the 3 year release cycle. However even though I could afford a set of these, I would never want to flaunt my money to every person I golf with that I have purchased $3200 irons. I am embarrassed enough that I spent $500 on a titleist driver, and therefore keep in hidden behind an indiscript headcover. They may be great products, but that I will never know for sure. And can guess they are not worth 3 times as much as all other irons. If they were $1800 a set I think that would be a more reasonably priced “luxury” item.

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      Andrew Han

      6 years ago

      Huh, why are you embarrassed?! Drivers are are in the 400 to 500 dollar range. Your club doesn’t even stand out. You almost sound like you’re virtue signaling. Be proud of the money you earned, whether it came to you easy or not. Unless you don’t like the attention, which is not the same as feeling embarrassed.

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      Benseattle

      6 years ago

      Let me clue you all in on a fact: nobody cares what you have in the bag. Doesn’t matter if you’re hitting a full load of PXG’s or a rusty sack of 40 year old Wilson X-31’s. Trust me…golfers are too busy with their OWN game to worry that you went out and bought a status symbol. Want to impress me? Break par….or invite me aboard your Lurssen mega-yacht.

      Danny Noonan

      6 years ago

      Ty says to, “Be the Ball.”
      All humor aside, I’m very happy with my Pings, and more out of curiosity did I read this. The comments are telling, and honestly don’t surprise me because of the lack of humility coming out of the Parsons camp. But like the author said, this company is thriving. Good for them. Golf is a feel game for me, and I’ve never been unhappy with the feel of any of my Ping clubs, including the putter. And if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. And Parson’s clubs sure as hell aren’t going to fix my crappy golf swing.

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      greg p

      6 years ago

      Nice lookin’.

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      Cibo1

      6 years ago

      Every club will perform differently for different people. PXG charges for exclusivity.. and that’s what the buyers are paying for . You don’t have to like it. Are they worth $400 club? That’s an impossible argument- but if the club Gives me confidence and I love playing them then why should anyone else care or complain. I want to play whatever club gives me workable consistent results – if that club is PXG then so be it

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      JonD

      6 years ago

      “There’s a sucker born every minute”

      … P. T. Barnum

      In any business the goal is or should be to carve out a niche that you can monopolize. Bob Parson’s has done that. Before PXG there was no real exclusive super-hyper premium OEM that focused solely on this niche market.

      He created something in the minds of the golfing public that didn’t exist before. Doesn’t matter whether or not they are the best clubs out there, for enough people there is the perception that they are.

      Perception counts.

      Good for Bob, he made it happen.

      I appreciate what he has done, but there is no way I am going to jump on this train. But I know a lot of people will. I’d refer you to the quote above.

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      HardcoreLooper

      6 years ago

      What about Miura, Epon, Honma? PXG is the first American company in the super-premium market, but I don’t think they invented that market.

      Have you hit PXG’s? I have not, so I can’t really comment on their quality. However, I do trust MGS to give us the straight dope on clubs, and they seem to believe in the quality of PXG.

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      Benseattle

      6 years ago

      Sorry, but the quote above attributed to Barnum has been widely debunked. P.T. never said it. However, that doesn’t change the outrageous hype being foisted on a desperate and gullible public by Parsons and company. If PXG stuff was so vastly superior, then why aren’t pros without equipment deals — Patrick Reed, for example — running to Scottsdale for a fitting?

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      Andrew Han

      6 years ago

      I don’t disagree with you on the marketing hype, but what is Bob supposed say, “After millions invested, we bring to you an ok club to you, the best to others, or subpar to the rest”. Pros have been flowing into PXG, more so on the LPGA. They picked Major winners, former no. 1 pro and amatuer, and tour winners. Not bad for such over the top hype.

      Skip

      6 years ago

      I searched deep down, and being completely truthful with myself, I’ve tested and don’t even like PXG’s.

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      Benseattle

      6 years ago

      Andrew, your list of players “flocking” to PXG’S doesn’t impress me in the least. You are aware I’m sure, that like other OEM’s, Parsons is PAYING players to use his clubs. Some marketing hype is to be expected but to categorically claim that PXG’s are vastly superior is an arrogant, dishonest load of crap. “Period! “

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      Andrew Han

      6 years ago

      I know what Cor2 is made out of. It’s definitely not foam and very obvious. The material is from the gila monster venom.

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      Mike

      6 years ago

      Maybe dial it back on the multi-pronged shillin’ big guy, you’re gonna wear yourself out…

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      Jimmy Dean

      6 years ago

      I have hit the First Gen’ irons, they feel good, but definitely not any better than other OEM’s. I like the look of them, but I like my Ping iBlades better, and a lot less expensive.
      I am not knocking them in any way, if you like them, buy them, we are all lucky to have so many options that fit our needs.
      No discount for military members is quite strange, but so is the owner.

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      Mike Horn

      6 years ago

      I’d gladly sell my 2-year old 311XF Ironsides/Oban CT15 shafts. Made absolutely no improvements to my scores and frankly, the 311 series irons are too soft, grooves quickly wear off, ball flight dispersion is often 1/2 fairway wide, and the clubs hit dead knuckle balls which roll off fast greens. JUNK! Stock Ping G400 is superior to 0311.

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      Jim

      6 years ago

      $400 per club takes all the fun out of golf.

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      Gabe tarr

      6 years ago

      lol, ain’t that the truth, I make good money and I’m still tired of what everything cost, golf has gotten carried away with the price of everything, I would rather pay less and be average lol…

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      HardcoreLooper

      6 years ago

      I’ve had a ton of fun playing golf since PXG started making clubs. Nothing they’ve done has had any impact at all on my golf. Just like Bentley doesn’t impact me driving my car. How does anything PXG does or does not do impact you?

      If anything, PXG is pushing the technological envelope. And if there’s one thing that golf club companies like to do, it’s copying one another. I just don’t understand how this is bad.

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      Anonymous

      6 years ago

      I see all of these comments about the price and how their (insert brand) clubs do the same thing as the PXG without the hefty price tag. You realize that you are not the target market for their clubs, right?

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      Anonymous

      6 years ago

      Overpriced & marketed for amateurs with too much money that think they are pro’s & they look shite.

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      Anonymous

      6 years ago

      Why the hate??

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      MC Hammer

      6 years ago

      Great review Tony, thank you. Can’t wait to put these up against my 0311T GEN1’s.

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      TexasSnowman

      6 years ago

      Not a fan of the obnoxious commercials or the screws. $3200 for 8 irons is premium price, but wouldn’t be a showstopper for me if the performance is truly there; I’ve blown more money than that on lots of stuff. Shopping irons now; might take a look.

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      Anonymous

      6 years ago

      If you’re not playing to a very low single digit handicap you have either too much disposable income on your hands or a distorted sense of reality if you’re willing to pay that much for golf clubs

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      Anonymous

      6 years ago

      They sure are pretty looking though!

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      Anonymous

      6 years ago

      I find hollowed out irons massively undesirable except maybe as a driving iron/utility club.

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      heyJosh

      6 years ago

      When do I have “too much” disposable income? Pretty judgey…

      Not my club choice because I think they only get by as a niche Veblen Good but hey, that’s how psychology works and why my wife eyes LouisV.

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      Bob Dodds

      6 years ago

      Tony,
      190 yard 7 irons! What is your club speed these days?
      …….Bob

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      Anonymous

      6 years ago

      Sorry, no golf clubs are good enough to warrant that kind of price tag. I’ll never play PXG. I’ll shoot the same score with those as I would my TM P770s for less than half the cost.

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      Anonymous

      6 years ago

      $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$4

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      AC

      6 years ago

      The fittings, and additional work only stands for a year. I asked to have my shafts shortened and swing weight adjusted accordingly and they wanted $30 per club. I have owned them for a little over a year FYI.

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      jimbo

      6 years ago

      may be great but ugly

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      Brian Kuznia

      6 years ago

      Excellent article. Wish I could afford them. Thank you.

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      Sidvicius1

      6 years ago

      Heard the podcast also, hats off to Bob!
      the problem I have is that since PXG is costly. the other manufactures have increased their pricing, if any one has noticed.
      so with the technology we have thru all these years someone cant come up with a great looking “F”ing club within the rules of development for 80% less.
      every aspect of the golf business industry are whores!

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      AC

      6 years ago

      that’s on us, if we continue to buy at those elevated costs we continue to justify these heightened prices.
      I have PXG’s by the way, so i’m essentially part of the problem.

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      Ricky

      6 years ago

      Great article and one of the most detailed on the internets

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      Jim

      6 years ago

      I guess I don’t understand why anyone would willingly pay $3200 for an 8 club set when you could buy Ping, Titliest, etc. for at most $1200 for their players irons. PXG is charging premium prices just to say they are the best when in fact they aren’t any better than most other clubs. And Parson’s obnoxious attitude is something I wouldn’t wish to contribute to either. Sorry just doesn’t make any sense to me.

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      Nigel

      6 years ago

      Agreed – as far as I can tell, Parsons has nothing beyond his own marketing to back up how great his clubs are. I’ve never seen or heard a good review of his drivers, and everything else seems to be middle of the pack at best. He has a fairly strong stable of players, and with only 2 (I think it’s 2 (Hahn and Perez) – I’m happy to be corrected if I’m off on this) wins to show for it? Zach Johnson won every year on tour since his Masters win in 2007 (except 2011, but he won twice in 2012), and hasn’t won a thing since his post-Open switch to PXG in 2015. Obviously there are many factors to consider, but I’m not seeing a single objective metric to show that these clubs are better than anything you can get at a fraction of the price.

      And to touch the obnoxious attitude, look at the comment made by Mr. Nicolette: “I THINK ALMOST ALL GOLFERS, IF THEY WERE TRUTHFUL, WOULD ASPIRE TO PLAY PXGS”. That’s nothing but more marketing crap, suggesting that people who say they wouldn’t play PXGs simply aren’t being truthful – that’s inspiration from the “fake news” era if I’ve ever seen it.

      Mr. Nicolette, if you’re listening, I’ve hit PXG clubs and I can say, truthfully, that they aren’t any better for me than what the other guys are putting out. I do aspire to hit the best clubs out there for my game, and these ain’t it.

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      Benseattle

      6 years ago

      Hey Nigel, haven’t you heard? Paige Spiranac “picked up 15 yards!”

      Chander Gadhvi

      6 years ago

      PXG sure only if I could afford it!
      Can’t pay more than 750 dollars for 5 to PW.
      Maybe when PXG starts trade in program I can think of buying a pre owned PXG 0311 XF iron.

      But need to figure out what graphite shaft to play in PXG XF as playing Ping stock graphite shafts.

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