How the Golf Equipment Biz misses the mark with how they sell and market to women
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How the Golf Equipment Biz misses the mark with how they sell and market to women

How the Golf Equipment Biz misses the mark with how they sell and market to women

I needed a new driver. My professional playing days on the LPGA were long behind me, and my ability to swing the club at 100-plus mph had diminished. The stiff shaft in my TaylorMade JetSpeed was too much for me to handle, and I wanted a new driver that I could swing confidently again.

So, I walked into a large golf superstore, approached an associate, and asked him to show me some new drivers as I was in the market for one. He glanced at me quickly and said, “We have some great new women’s drivers that came in.”

I entertained him as he walked me to the tiny women’s golf section, and showed me two new drivers that they had in stock. “Here,” he said, handing me a club with a pink shaft and grip, “You might like this one.”

“Sure, I’ll give it a try,” I responded, and we strolled over to the indoor simulator.

I set up to the ball, did my hip waggle, and true to Anya form swung hard. The ball flared way right according to the simulator, but my swing speed surprisingly clocked in at 98mph. I looked at the sales associate, and he said, “You might need a stiffer shaft.”

For women who go into golf stores or search for clubs on the internet, the experience of how they’re treated in the store or marketed to can feel patronizing. Sales associates at stores or pros at golf courses often assume that female customers are either beginners, like pink, or aren’t strong enough to swing certain clubs.

Teal, purple, and pink are dominant colors that women can select from, and because of this, it can feel like, “Why am I being singled out this way and why are these my only options?”

Currently, women make up a little over 20 percent of the golfing population. It has remained stagnant for some time. But according to the National Golf Foundation, 48 percent of women want to learn how to play the game. This is a huge market opportunity for club manufacturers, golf courses, and golf stores to activate that base by looking at women in a different light: we’re not all damsels in distress who want to be covered in pink and glitter.

If you have a woman come into your facility, don’t make assumptions about her tastes or ability. Instead, take the time to ask her questions:

  • How long have you been playing?
  • What are your goals?
  • Do you have a preference with style?

These three simple questions will show that you aren’t making assumptions about her preferences and skill levels simply because of her gender. And I cannot tell you how many times I have spoken with women who were simply turned off to golf because of the lack of options presented to them, and how only “women’s clubs” were deemed suitable for them.

So when it comes to equipment, stop gendering it. Don’t pander women with stereotypes. We’re not one-trick ponies who gleefully buy stuff simply because you “shrink it and pink it.”

For comparison, when the NFL started offering women’s apparel the clothing was often not in the team colors, but as you guessed it, pink. The clothing was also often adorned in sequins and sparkles. When the NFL started offering more apparel options that didn’t fall into the trope of the stereotypical woman, the increase of women shoppers went up 40 PERCENT.

And as Bridget Brennan, author of Why She Buys, said, “Pink is not a strategy unless you’re raising money for breast cancer research. Marketing to women is all about being inclusive. That doesn’t mean excluding men; it means excluding stereotypes.”

For women, we certainly do want products made for us in mind. However, we also want choices. Marti Barletta, author of Marketing to Women, pointed to how the lack of choices can lead women to feel hostile towards a company.

“When pink is a color women can choose, they will choose it. When it is the only color that isn’t the ‘normal’ one, women will not choose it. They don’t want it forced on them,” Barletta said.

Ultimately, women want to be treated like serious consumers and not like afterthoughts. If the golf equipment industry begins to take the time to truly understand that women are diverse in their likes and interests, they might actually want to play golf.

As for the new driver I decided to purchase, I ultimately gave my money to a place that did not make assumptions based on my ability or my tastes: I gave my money to a place that made the effort to look at me holistically as a consumer and as a golfer.

So my take? It’s time that golf equipment and golf stores start treating all female consumers like golfers, not like women who happen to play golf.

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Anya Alvarez

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Anya Alvarez is former LPGA golfer turned sportswriter and producer for outlets such as ESPN and CBS Sports. In an effort to grow the game, Anya hopes to shine a light on how the golf industry can attract more women to the game.

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      Bert Gwaltney

      5 years ago

      I think you miss the real shortfall. It’s not juts color, it technology. Manufactures simply cut off cheap shafts, producing swing-weights at C3 and sell them as clubs that will fit women. Hogwash! Each 1/2 inch changes the swing-weight by 3 points, try hitting a club with this swing-weight and you’ll immediately notice you can’t feel the head.

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      Chad BaDour

      5 years ago

      Love how “social justice” has a bad connotation to it for many responders here.
      Ever hear of Jesus, Martin Luther King Jr, Ghandi, Mother Theresa?
      Exactly why I have many golf buddies who aren’t my friends off the course.

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      Cleo

      5 years ago

      What?

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      Bill

      5 years ago

      I’ve written and deleted a couple replies to this story. It’s definitely thought provoking if a bit misguided. I promote women being more involved in the game, what is important is how to make that happen.
      Better clothes, clubs and balls are important. But let’s give women the best advantage for success. Free club fittings and short game lessons. My experience is that many women’s short games are superior to men’s early on. Help them score better immediately.
      Yeah, the color coded clubs turn off some people. Others like them. Many big box golf departments treat people indifferently. I’ve worked in one and was astounded how shabby the women’s choices were. It was embarrassing. Same time, currently the market is small.
      Offering shafts, heads grips etc in a free fitting allows women superior choices to go whichever way they want. Get them on the course. Repeatedly. Offer fashions for every body type and age. The only way to do that effectively is online to avoid huge inventories.
      Make it fun. Look good doing it.

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      Cleo

      5 years ago

      Well, reading some of the comments by some fellows here, I’m not surprised that there is a selection for women. Seems like the manufacturers have perceived ideas about women just like the fellas here. When I started golfing (30 yrs ago) I knew then that the selection for woman was bad so for my next set I had them custom made at $150/club. That was 10 years ago. Now I’m in the market for a new driver. Don’t assume we females only spend money on clothing.

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      Nicole

      5 years ago

      This is the complaint women have? Seriously? I’m a newby to the game and if I may share, forget the clubs and bad sales techniques. I’m sure there are men who’ve received similar experiences. In fact, I find I receive better service than the men around me in those stores.
      My issue? How about the clothes and shoe options??!!! I secretly think men would prefer their female counterparts didn’t play, hence the awful garment choices, lol! Head over to the tennis section and the choices are much better. Can’t imagine who chooses the styles, but for the sake of all things sacred, pretty please, find better clothing style options! Not all of us are wanting to dress like grandma’s couch!

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      Anya

      5 years ago

      Hi Nicole,

      Thanks for the feedback. I think we can talk about clothing and apparel and how it’s marketed to woman, along with the choices women are given. But if you haven’t checked it out yet, look up golf4her.com – they have a great selection of golf clothing for women from numerous designers.

      Cheers,
      anya

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      Scrub

      5 years ago

      This is literally the dumbest and most pointless article I’ve ever read. I’ve lost all respect for MGS. The article is completely out place… here I am reading along about “Most wanted this” or “Most wanted that”… genuinely enjoying myself. Then BAM. A political article?

      I’m 5’7”, 145 lbs, I’ve been fitted, I know my game – whenever I demo clubs, they always try to throw regular flex at me just because of my size. I’ve always played stiff. It’s not a big deal. I don’t get offended, I just ask for what I need. How is somebody supposed to know your skill level if you don’t communicate? Honestly, if I saw myself walk into a golf store, my assumptions would probably be the same as far as a starting point.

      I understand it’s somewhat degrading to be “stereotyped” in any situation (you would at least agree that they are able to identify you as a woman vs a man- now THAT would be offensive). My girlfriend (who just started golf) purchase a set of (Top Flight, I believe) starter clubs. They actually work really well for her. Do they feel like a toy to me? Absolutely, but for her at this point in her game, they actually perform pretty well. For the price, I’m glad she didn’t go spend $500 on a driver in the instance she doesn’t ultimately accept golf into her life.

      Not everything is a personal attack. Everybody is so sensitive in this day and age. If you want something in life or in golf (a certain driver, shaft flex), you need to communicate. They’ll let you hit whatever clubs you want if you are a serious customer. Just ask.

      I see a lot of support for women’s golf nowadays. Who cares about a pink golf club at the golf shop… the point of golf is to get OUTSIDE and enjoy the game.

      MGS, you need to get your head in the game. A one-sided rant such as this isn’t they type of content I expect from you as an authority.

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      Annie

      4 years ago

      You’re the worst. you have a girlfriend so somehow you have some great insight? more so than the female who authored the article and has the actual experience of being a female golfer…….

      The funny part is this article isn’t political and it’s not a “one-sided rant” – it’s her personal experience that mirrors MANY other women in the sport. I played on my high school golf team and we all noticed how awful the “ladies” golf merchandise options were. You might not think that having only pink/purple/turquoise club options is patronizing and annoying but you’ve never had to deal with this problem….. how would you know how that felt or if it was a real issue?

      By the way, you can’t find women’s golf clubs within a two-hour drive from where I live, which is near one of the best golf resorts in the country – yes, even they don’t sell women’s clubs.

      In substance, you’re ignorant. Worry about yourself and your girlfriend’s awful clubs.

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      Geoff

      5 years ago

      It drives me nuts that brands even distinguish “women’s clubs”. We’re all playing the same sport and there’s nothing about the clubs that makes them the only fit for women. I know guys that could use lighter swing weights and shorter softer shafts and women that need heavier swing weights and longer stiffer shafts.

      It’s time to stop the sexist product marketing and instead provide more shaft and head weight options on core products. That would benefit everyone.

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      Thomas

      5 years ago

      In Golf galaxy yesterday TM, Callaway Rogue. Women’s drivers. Both look same as men’s with 46g one inch shorter shaft. Same shaft as men’s senior. Most men with slow swing speed would benefit using ?

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      David Thompson

      5 years ago

      SPOT ON ! BUT MANY women have very little interest in makes nor technology and haven’t a clue that shafts vary in weight and in flex . It’s very poor that store staff “eye someone up ” and make pre- judgements so randomly .

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      Smogmonster

      5 years ago

      ummm… didn’t you do the exact same thing with your perception of women golfers?

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      Adrian

      5 years ago

      There isn’t much if any difference between women’s and men’s clubs aside from shorter, lighter shafts and smaller grips. The club heads are the same aside from the color choices. Find the clubs that you like and then fit them with whatever shafts fit your profile and a grip that fits your hands and then go play golf. A woman can play men’s set of clubs easily with a few adjustments.

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      AdamnedHurricane

      5 years ago

      I think that would work fine for a woman (or man) in the know, but she was shopping/approached as someone new to the sport. That entire segment of the market is being marketed to as women before they marketed as potential golfers. I like that she didn’t make this about social justice, but rather good business sense and a desire to grow the sport. Great piece, Anya.

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      ADAM

      5 years ago

      I think that would work fine for a woman (or man) in the know, but she was shopping/approached as someone new to the sport. That entire segment of the market is being marketed to as women before they marketed as potential golfers. I like that she didn’t make this about social justice, but rather good business sense and a desire to grow the sport. Great piece, Anya.

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      Chris

      5 years ago

      I think when purchasing golf equipments it should be all equal. We shouldnt divide the category into (men, women, kids, etc.) Anyone, can play any club they want. Therefore, everyone should get fitted for their clubs. Doesnt matter if you’re a men, woman, or a kid. Simply, pick out a club (head) and pick out a shaft to match your swing style/type. Women can play (mens) clubs, just have to choose what shaft you want them in. Its really simple.

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      Brian Colo

      5 years ago

      I’ve enjoyed working in the golf business for 30 years. I’ve always been embarrassed by the lack of options for women golfers. No doubt they get shortchanged. NONE. Just take a look at any fit cart at any pro shop or off course specialty shop and you will see what I mean. We as an industry simply need to do a better job for women.

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      Ray Randall

      5 years ago

      Had that problem with my late wife. She played tour tennis and hit harder then most men did. The golf clubs she turned down when she wanted to play were typical women’s soft flex. A small golf manufacturer in Wilton, Ct. sold her some experimental woods that were terrific and she bought Ping Eye 2 irons. She loved both her irons and woods. Our athlete son is using her Pings now.

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      Kelly

      5 years ago

      Sorry, women golfers, but this ain’t changing soon. I wish this wasn’t true because, philosophically, I’m in total agreement with this article. Unfortunately, like many philosophical beliefs, these don’t transfer very well into real life.

      One of the reasons for the broad discrepancy in the offerings for men and women golfers is that the two genders approach the game and equipment in vastly different ways. Over the last 20 years I have spent countless hours on discussion sites, reading literally thousands of threads and posting a couple of thousand messages. In all the time I have spent on the discussion boards I have only seen a handful of comments by women (in fact, I can really only recall one). Don’t believe me? Just look at the names of the people making comments on this topic, one which should be of particular interest to women readers and elicit their input.

      These differences in level of interest translates into vastly different buying patterns, the most significant being WOMEN DON’T BUY GOLF CLUBS. What? But we make up 20% of the golfing population. While that may be true, women make up a far, far, far smaller part of the golf club BUYING population.

      For one thing, women tend to buy one set of clubs and play these forever, and they don’t care if they come from Golftown, Target, Canadian Tire, or flea market. Men, on the other hand, are golf-purchasing-idiots. They will buy golf clubs they can’t even afford just because their buddy has a new club, an advertisement tells them that they can get 5 more yards, or their favorite pro won a tournament with the club on the weekend (we also like shiny new toys). For example, in contrast with a woman’s single set that she holds onto forever, I own 8 drivers, a bunch of FWs, 5 sets of irons, 12 putters, and a bunch o’ wedges. Tell this to a woman and they think you’re nuts. Tell it to a guy and they’ll say, “Yeah, that sounds about right.” Then they’ll ask, “How did you get yours past your wife?” (I might be breaking the bro code here, but, seriously, if you have a conversation about this with a group of guys, almost every one of them will have a funny story about how they have snuck golf equipment into the house and how they have stored them safely. I keep mine downstairs where my wife won’t go because she is afraid there might be rats down there. In fact, it might have been me who told her about the rats even though I have never seen one. It keeps the golf cache safe.)

      This relative size of the men’s versus women’s golf market deepens further when you talk about the value of these purchases. From my experience, most women balk at the price of clubs. Tell an average group of women golfers that a driver is worth $600, a putter $250, and a set of irons $1800, and they will look at you like you are from outer-space (and don’t even bring up the $300 golf bag, $350 pushcart, $350 laser finder, and $70/dozen balls). There’s a reason that women’s sets of golf irons at the store are considerably cheaper. It has nothing to do with the quality of the components and the cost of production and more to do with price sensitivity.

      Finally, I believe that the number of women buying clubs is actually even smaller than what the sales would suggest because I think most of the clubs bought for women are actually bought by men. I wish that I could spend a couple of days with overhead cameras, monitoring the shopping and buying patterns in a big box golf store. I would like to know:
      1. What percent of the customers are women?
      2. How many of the women who come into the store are alone, with a female friend (or friends), or with a male companion.
      3. How much time do women spend, versus men, looking at hard goods (trying out putters, testing grips, looking at clubs and hitting them in the hitting bays, etc.) and how much time is spent looking at soft goods (clothing and shoes).

      I suspect that golf manufacturers have done all of this research and the results are reflected in the fact that in the large box store I visit there are only a handful women’s iron sets and drivers (versus a huge number of men’s clubs), but the women’s shoe and clothing section is at least 50% larger than the men’s section.

      I can certainly attest to this in my own relationship. When I suggest buying my wife new golf gear it’s like pulling teeth: “What do I need new golf clubs for? The one’s I have are just fine.” In the 18 years my wife has been playing this game, she has not bought 1 piece of golf equipment. She’s bought lots of nice tops, pants, skorts, and 6 pairs of nice shoes, but not one club. I have bought or assembled every one of her clubs. I would say that perhaps my wife and I are anomalies, but we’re not. Every guy I have discussed this with has the same story. (Again, just look in the comments to see how many of the comments are from men discussing how they bought their wives clubs.)

      Anya, perhaps there is a business model for selling golf clubs to women, but I would be wary of it. As the old saying goes, the quickest way to make a small fortune selling golf equipment is to start with a large fortune. A corollary of this is, “An even faster way to shrink your fortune is to sell women’s golf equipment.”

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      Brandon

      5 years ago

      This pretty much sums it up.

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      Mark

      5 years ago

      It all depends on what is important. $800 purse, and then marked down to $500? Must get! $300 shoes with the red soles? Must buy!

      It’s not that men are “idiots” as you suggest, but specific genders have their thing. Why is the men’s fashion industry a fraction of the size as women’s? Why are there so many different types of pillows for a couch?

      The different genders have different priorities with money and interests. There is not giant conspiracy here. It’s market forces and free society that allows people to decide what to invest their business money in and where consumers want to spend their money.

      For those virtue signaling people in the comments, shame on you. Start a female focused golf company then. Don’t sit there and judge a company on financial responsibility and the decisions they make with their R&D. All companies need sales and revenues.

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      SJC

      5 years ago

      Reading all these comments from male responders just want to point out that all are missing the big picture of the overarching issue that golf historically and in general is an unwelcoming environment to women. Hence, there is a lack of numbers… lack of market. And, males tend to make assumptions and defend the way things are instead of looking at why there is a lack of market. Such a bigger issue than just equipment.

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      MCB

      5 years ago

      SJC – Nail on the head. ?

      Andrew Han

      5 years ago

      What the heck are you talking about? Most of the courses, not that I get to play a bunch of courses, are usually split 50/50. I play single most of time and hook up with a husband and wife team.

      Perhaps the market isn’t there because there isn’t support for it. Like there isn’t support from females in WNBA. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/04/20/adam-silver-one-of-the-wnbas-problems-is-that-not-enough-young-women-pay-attention-to-it/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d1b734648b8e

      The only sport that comes to mind that has an equal respect from male and female is MMA. Even with that, albeit majority of the male market are supporting the women fighters.

      Brandon

      5 years ago

      Lots of guys play golf to get away from their significant other for a few hours.

      JasonA

      5 years ago

      @SJC I think that there are interesting but separate topics

      * Participation rates and levels of females in the golfing population (also considering average skill level, amount of golf played, etc)

      * Kelly’s point AFAICT is that higher percentage of “Gear-heads” i.e. those that will actively purchase high price golf equipment for marginal performance gains are male. While Females make up at least 25% of golfing population they are not 25% of the gear-heads. Is this Nature or nurture? I for sure do not know, but with some signals have seen, if it is ever is empirically proven I would be surprised if this phenomenon is 100% down to nurture.

      * What constitutes quality golf equipment experience: “unisex” or gender adjusted? (FWIW I’d vote unisex)

      Conflating these discussions probably won’t enrich either one.

      Rick

      5 years ago

      GOLFSPY NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Please don’t bring in the social justice lunacy to your site!

      For god’s sake the 18 year old kid who never held a club took a women to the women’s club section! The horror!! She never said hey look I’m playing the M2 with a speeder s flex tipped 1 1/2 and my handicaps a plus 3???? This isn’t a women’s issue it’s a good players issue, I get this every time from a sales person or a caddie or anybody in golf! The average women’s handicap is about 34 he sees 30-40 of them to every 1 of Anyas! I thought this article was a joke! She should be happy that she has achieved what less than 1% of ALL golfers can achieve and when they find out her abilities she will be shown the respect she thinks she deserves!

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      Andrew Han

      5 years ago

      I agree and it already is creeping in and you can tell from these white knights virtue signalers.

      There was an article last year on college female golfers, and a pathetic most wanted on women drivers or something like that. Club and ball doesn’t care if you’re a male, female, or a robot.

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      Charles

      5 years ago

      I have requested multiple times with MGS to test clubs for women. My wife is an avid golfer and a very good golfer. I end up being the one to adjust and basically customize her clubs. If I was not able to adjust the lofts, lie, weights, and grips, she would be stuck with whatever they have. Quite frankly, stock women clubs are just not up to the performance for a quality lady golfer. So, hopefully, MGS will be testing womens clubs more often. In the meantime, I have sent my wife to Champion Golf for a fitting. I am hoping this will rectify any fitting issues she still has.

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      Stephanie Eacott

      5 years ago

      I agree with the writer’s comments and have also been frustrated with sale’s assistant’s assumptions. Now when I’m looking for a new club I tell them my handicap and go from there. Usually into men’s clubs with a senior flex shaft. Fortunately my pro shop knows enough now to not make assumptions.

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      Dr Norman Searle

      5 years ago

      Mrs Alvarez I must congratulate you on your article. Well said and I am not surprise by your experience. I teach golf to all age group and I must tell you that I prefer to teach golf lesson to women than man for the simple reason that they want to learn how to strike a golf ball and not hitting driver 300 yards. Most of the female that I teach have golf clubs not suited for them. Often they are clubs passed on by their husband. The OEM should definitely concentrate there efforts to produce a golf club suitable for ladies every time they come out with a new release. Forget distance and produce easier game improvement irons and woods for 50% of the population that is neglected.

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      Jordan

      5 years ago

      https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/steph-curry-shoes-now-also-made-girls-nba-star-keeps-n945431

      They’re currently going through this in the shoe industry, when it took a little girl writing a letter to Steph Curry for Under Armour to realize they weren’t making Curry’s basketball shoes in women’s sizes.

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      jessica

      5 years ago

      YASSS, THANK YOU FOR THIS!

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      Andrew

      5 years ago

      I see this with my girlfriend all the time- and she’s 6-1 and athletic! We were at a demo day last year, and the Callaway guy (first booth) foolishly handed her a Rogue Draw with a ladie’s flex shaft, even after I “warned” him not to- within a few minutes she was swinging a Rogue Standard in regular at around 9.5°, baby fades about 265 all day, and all the reps were lining up to have her try their gear. I hope they learned something, but alas…

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      Stephen

      5 years ago

      This is a great article. I would love a follow up piece on what makes a club a “women’s” club. LPGA players don’t use them. They use “regular” clubs and just find an appropriate shaft. If you’re a woman with a slower swing speed why not just get a game improvement iron with a senior shaft? I think understanding what if any differences exist in “women’s” clubs would help a lot of people expand their options when shopping for new clubs.

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      Charles

      5 years ago

      I have written in to MGS many times asking them to review women’s clubs. My wife is a very avid golfer who plays every day. I end up usually adjusting her clubs to fit, i.e. shafts lie weight and grips. It will be nice to see that addition to MGS.

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      Jordan

      5 years ago

      I think the goal here is that there shouldn’t even be women’s clubs.

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      Dave S

      5 years ago

      Nice thought… now tell me how that works in practice? Do OEMs and Big Box retailers just remove all “women’s clubs” from their shelves and tell women customers to pick from the what used to be the “Men’s clubs”? How does that work? Most women need shorter and more flexible shafts… do you expect the stores to carry a pletora of womens shafts to put on these clubs? Or are you saying that an OEM should just take their existing “men’s” driver heads, slap the shafts from what would have been going on their “women’s” line and roll them out? No changes to the head shape, weight or anything? Yea… that doesnt sound like a very good idea. And if you’re going to shrink the head and all that… then your back to square one, with a “women’s” club.

      Jordan

      5 years ago

      The goal is inventory management. All drivers now come with adjustable weights. All you need is a shaft fitting for the customer, whether its ladies, senior or regular flex, then find the appropriate weights in the head to get it to D2-D5 and there ya go. All you have to ensure is that stores carry women’s flex options that are shorter. This is not a head issue, its a shaft issue. I’m sure all OEMs would sign up for managing less inventory and sku’s since they just need one line of driver heads and leave it to the shafts to find the right fit for the customer.

      Dave S

      5 years ago

      @Jordan – Here’s the thing though: OEMs and Big Box retailers are soley in the business of making money (via optimizing revenue while keeping costs as low as possible). They have entire departments who’s job it is to model various scenarios like that which you’ve proposed. Clearly, they do not feel that doing it the way they are, while maybe not optimal for women shoppers, is likely optimal for their bottom line… which is their entire point of existence. It’s not that they WANT to discriminate against women or anything (capitalism isn’t sexist), it’s that they don’t think it’s a viable business model. If there was enough marginal revenue to be made doing it a different way, then they most certainly would.

      Andrew Han

      5 years ago

      They already did a most wanted, and I think what’s better is swing speed. This started with their 2018 drivers category. If you are a female like Ariya swinging 105 mph, they ranked that. If you swing 85, they have those too.

      I feel like sooner or later, they are going to start complaining about how masculine the colors of the clubs and shafts are.

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      HDTVMAN

      5 years ago

      Buyers for big box stores have a few issues. First, most have never worked on a sales floor. Second, they may have never held a golf club, and if they have, are high handicaps. Third, they have little to zero knowledge of what they’re doing. As a wholesale manufacturer’s rep for over 35 years, I know buyers, and most just came out of college with a degree that has nothing to do with retail, they are given a desk, a computer with lots of numbers, and told to buy something that will sell for as cheap as possible with high margins and plenty of money available from the vendor for markdowns. That’s how it works. Since I retired and now work in the golf industry, nothing has changed. I completely agree that women’s golf equipment in a golf store is a joke, maybe it should be part of Victoria’s Secret or the local grocery store! In my store, the manager can barely find his way from his office to the sales floor, and if he tripped over women’s equipment, he’d be scared to death. Wish I had an answer, besides it doesn’t bring enough to the bottom line.

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      SJC

      5 years ago

      You are just scratching the surface of an entirely larger issue as to why women do not play golf… why they leave the game… why they don’t join private clubs… I play on a competitive level with friends/peers who are all former women college players, plus or scratch handicaps, and every single one of us face some sort of bias; discrimination; micro aggressions in golf on a regular basis. We keep playing and let our games speak for themselves; can’t imagine being a female beginner or high handicapper wanting to be around this game.

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      Mike Reed

      5 years ago

      Great article!! My wife is a left handed women golfer (the most discriminated group in golf!!) and she has Ping clubs because they were the only major manufacturer offering left hand ladies clubs at the time we bought them (20 years ago). Her driver is a male club because we could get it in enough loft for her.

      As a mature player (71 years old) I also feel stereotyped when I look at clubs. It is assumed that I need soft shafts and lots of loft. I play a 9 degree driver with a stiff shaft after fighting with a sales clerk about what I should have.

      Assuming anything about another person is just plain stupid!! Getting fit instead of typecast can be a problem. Good luck with your fight!!

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      Andrew Han

      5 years ago

      Anya,

      I do agree with some of your points, but your article seems anecdotal. You can say the same thing with an senior guy walking into a store and immediately getting shuffled to a senior flex and xxio type only selections. At a superstore no less (volume is key).

      Can you provide stats on the swing speed and other metrics at the amateur level? Maybe that’s what the market research showed and demand. Probably needs an update. If you go to S.Korea or Japan, I am sure the women selection there at retail is more robust. I don’t know, but I assume since women golf is killer there.

      What is wrong with pink? Victoria Secret markets pink, and other female oriented retail marketed light pastel colors in my recent visits to the malls. Men and women have different taste in color and fashion on average.

      Don’t flame me, and I am not trolling. BTW, a good sales person would ask all those questions. Thanks.

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      Pete

      5 years ago

      We have been selling putters for some time, but had very few female customers. I then changed the grip, fitting a pencil grip, pink/black, started selling straight away. Just saying.

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      Sean

      5 years ago

      Coates is an invalid comparison at all. Look at the boutique manufacturers like Hogan, and Scratch, which went out of business, just to name two. Boutique companies struggle, not matter who they manufacture for. The better question is why don’t OEMs make more product for women?

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      cksurfdude

      5 years ago

      Good article, good points made. Unfortunate counterpoint, though, and not sure what it means but … look at Coates (manufactured and marketed women’s clubs and accessories) who are liquidating…….

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      Hidekichambeau

      5 years ago

      Using that logic, I guess there’s no need for toy’s anymore with Toys R Us going out of business.

      Just because one company fails doesn’t mean a whole market segment should be ignored.

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      DucatiGirl

      5 years ago

      Anya, thank you thank you thank you! I sometimes feel like I’m shouting into the wind about this topic, and even spoke about it on an episode of Golf Unfiltered podcast. A lot of it would be easier if the concept of “women’s, seniors, and regular” flex were thrown out the window, along with tee box names. It’s demoralizing to be treated like a second class citizen, on the course and in the store. And don’t forget for a lot of women, walking into a golf store can be intimidating too. Anything a store and brand can do to overcome perception is appreciated. Thank you for this article!!

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      John

      5 years ago

      The author is spot on with respect to women’s golf equipment. Another area where they miss the mark is women’s golf apparel. My wife has experienced great frustration with the selection of skin tight, barely cover your backside, available up to size 4 clothing. Not every female golfer is built like Michelle Wie.

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      Rob

      5 years ago

      So much this!! Same with my Fiance, she will often ask me if we can stop in GG or PGASS so she can look for some polo or shorts…She isn’t a golfer but likes golf apparel. She’s usually done looking in about 2 minutes as everything tends to be as you described.

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      Berniez40

      5 years ago

      Best thing I ever did was go to the local golf course about 12 years ago, and buy one of the rental sets they were getting rid of in order to update their fleet. They were only 5 years old. They were Orlimar 302 Irons with HipTi Fairways and driver. They sported ” Senior Flex” that had been cut down for a shorter Senior Male. My wife is 5’4″ and they fit her like a glove. Up until recently they haven’t made a set of lady’s clubs yet that could keep up with these. Occasionally she complains that she misses her old Orlimars. Ha!—-This article is more than spot on—it is a warning shot across the bow. They’d better wake up because they are so missing the mark, and literally insulting a huge portion of a potential market.

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      McaseyM

      5 years ago

      Anya, thanks for getting involved with MGS! As a father of 3 girls (6 year old twins and a 4 year old) that I plan to introduce to golf and hope it sticks, I hope the equipment options improve.
      My “younger” twin daughter loves racecars, rockets, all things mechanical and the color red; my youngest daughter is very girly girl,
      and the “older” twin is all over the board, so the typical pastels won’t fly.
      It was bittersweet to see PXG be the first OEM to offer equal fittings and equipment to both men’s and women’s college golf teams. I’m guessing the weight adjustability via the screws allows them to keep the same heads for both men and women and adjust weight accordingly.

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      Doug

      5 years ago

      Admittingly, my daughter likes her colors, but most of these things are just ridiculous and not even a sophisticated stab at making “pretty clubs”. Of all the clubs that we tried, I think the Ping LE series was the best women’s offering at the time, and Cobra wasn’t too bad with their F7s. The softer Cobra matrix shaft was better for her in that case. And then when it came to bags… well, she stole my all black Oakley stand bag!

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      Jordan

      5 years ago

      Yes, its a joke. I remember my wife and I going to golf galaxy looking to hit the new drivers and they decided to bring my wife over some previous year’s Ping or Callaway driver covered in Pink and Purple. She laughed at the guy, took an xstiff driver into the hitting bay and hit it straight as an arrow then walked out.

      Its a waste of inventory honestly on pink drivers when most people just care about getting custom head covers more than anything.

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      Jim Lee

      5 years ago

      I have to say, you got it lucky. You have more options than men do.
      Women choice of colors: Teal, purple, pink, blue, black, white, and grey.
      Men choice of colors: black, Grey, and sometimes white. Now yellow with Cobra drivers. That’s just color.

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      Kathrine

      5 years ago

      This article is 100% on the mark. I recently purchased new irons and went to a place where i was treated as a human being-not a women who happens to play golf. And guess what! The shafts and irons I chose weren’t pink, but the best shafts and irons for my swing speed and playing ability.

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      Gary

      5 years ago

      Did this happen to be anywhere in Florida? My wife who is 60, playing 10 years regularly shoots between 76 and 84 playing from 5400 yards and she also has the worst time we she walks into a golf store by herself and gets is treated like she doesn’t exist, but if I’m with her they are as helpful as ever. She just cannot get fit like she wants to even the way she plays. Thanks for any help.

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      Kathrine

      5 years ago

      Unfortunately, not in Florida, but Club Champion in Washington State. The sales person who helped me here was extremely knowledgeable and the first question he asked me was what I wanted out of my clubs. It sounds like your wife needs to find someone/some place similar. I hit different clubs with different shafts in their bay for about an hour and left with a great set of Pings that have really improved my game and are a joy to swing.

      Thomas

      5 years ago

      I know many women golfers and none will even look at women’s manufacturers clubs. Whippy pastel colors, all play men’s senior types with some shortening length

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      Graham Riley

      5 years ago

      Anya you are 100% correct. I have been trying to tell companies for years the same thing and you guessed it…….. no one listening. This has been an ongoing ‘quest’ since I married my wife 38 years ago and bought a Capri Perana V8 a few weeks later – my wife and I were always trying to get to the keys first and not only that, she could drive the pants off most guys which generally did not sit too well with them……… my wife’s favourite colour – black – no skirts, black jazz pants and a nice black or white T-shirt and she was still as sexy as all heck (and boy could she dance) My wife is the one who taught me that colours and tastes are pretty similar to most males….Go figure!!!

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      Rev G

      5 years ago

      the shaft issue is huge. The typical L flex shaft is horrible. Women need to be able to easily get R,S flex shafts as well. The choices for women’s golf bags are also horrible. Either strange, ugly, overly flowery or overly colorful bags. Nobody wants those things. I was lucky to find my wife a Ping bag with a tasteful amount of pink – that was essentially exactly the same as the men’s bag they make.

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      Damon

      5 years ago

      Couldn’t agree more with this article. I’ve seen this frustration from my fiancé numerous times. Those three questions in the article would go a long way in the stores.

      At the pgass she’s often directed toward the small pink section.

      The now defunct Golfsmith did take the time to get her fit into a Ping G30 with a SR shaft. And Ping at least tries but most manufacturers obviously don’t give a shhhh.

      The weird colored bags, clubs, balls and the treatment in stores and at courses was a huge turnoff for her.

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      Kevin

      5 years ago

      As a sales associate and defacto club fitter at a major golf retailer I appreciate the constructive criticism to better serve the female segment of the market place by not making assumptions. A common theme in my role is attempting to ferret out a customer’s needs and desires in short order and without prejudice as to the typical proclamation of “I hit my driver about 280 yards” coupled with a measured swing speed of 88 mph. Having said that, it is always a pleasure to assist the occasional advanced player, male or female, and there needs to be more focus on the pre-swing interview and an effort to resist the urge to stereotype with regard to gender or ability.
      Point taken.

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      Damon

      5 years ago

      This article couldn’t be more dead on. My fiance has similar experiences in stores and on courses that really turned her off to the sport in a lot of ways. Ping seemed to be the most accommodating when she purchased a G30 head and Senior shaft that fit best. But everything else was a joke.

      Those 3 questions mentioned in the article would go a long way, especially at the PGASS where she’s always automatically guided to the pink ladies section.

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      Marty

      5 years ago

      Anya, I agree with your premise 100%, however it’s been my experience at the club where I work that the women there value looks over performance. I’ve been told plenty of times that the black or gray drivers are ugly and the pink, purple, and light blue drivers are cute. Guess which one they bought? Fortunately, the technology in those colorful drivers are pretty much equal to their uglier counterparts. Companies will market to what the majority will purchase, especially if it’s in a lower percentage of the market as you stated, but I do agree that we shouldn’t assume women all want the pretty driver.

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