One Insider’s View on The Demise of Golf Equipment Sales
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One Insider’s View on The Demise of Golf Equipment Sales

One Insider’s View on The Demise of Golf Equipment Sales

Editor’s Note: An insider tells how the industry works and why it is nearing self-destruction. The following article was submitted by a MyGolfSpy reader. He owns and operates multiple retail golf facilities and wanted to share with you some of what he experiences in dealing with accelerated product cycles, MAP pricing, and declining profit margins.

For obvious reasons, the author wishes to remain anonymous.

Some Background

I’m a business owner of more than one retail shop. We have been in business for over 10 years. In my time, I’m pretty sure I can say I’ve nearly seen it all.

What’s the reason for writing this article?

The industry as a whole is in nearing self-destruction. Rounds played are down, golf courses continue to close, and from my perspective the golf equipment business has never seen a lower point than now.

We initially opened our doors as a franchise. My partners and I didn’t have a strong background in retail, however, being avid golfers we knew about equipment. Additionally, the backing of a franchise is supposed to carry some weight, buying power is supposed to be greater. Ultimately, it didn’t work out that way for us, but the franchise approach did provide support in attaining accounts with major vendors, opening up our store and properly merchandising our inventory.

After 3 years in business, we bought out of our franchise. Within the first year, we felt we had learned enough go it alone. The franchise leadership had changed (not for the better), and overall group buying power was lackluster. With 80-100 stores nationwide, one would hope the major vendors would consider our group buying power. This never proved to be the case, and as a result, we saw no increase in our margins. We are now a multiple location business branded with our own name.

It starts with buying power and margins

Here’s how our industry works:

Most companies release new product right after the annual PGA Show in Orlando. That used to be the case anyway. For the sake of discussion, let’s say that still is the case, because quite frankly that’s how, as a retailer, I think it should be.

Sales reps will visit us in the fall to show us the equipment that will be launched in the early Spring. Order management is always fun. We look at lots of numbers; sell-through by each company, in each category for the prior year. Additionally, we’ll look at Golf Datatech for insight into each vendor’s market share.

It’s not a complete guessing game, but there is a fair amount of looking into the crystal ball as well.

What’s the hot driver or set of irons going to be for the upcoming year? We need to know before we place our orders.

Volume Discounts

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Vendor X will offer us a 6% discount if we book $25,000 worth of their stuff, and if we really want to make some money, $100,000 worth of merchandise will get us a 10% line item discount.

That’s wholesale folks. $100,000 of equipment/goods from one company can be a lot. Welcome to the game, and yes at this point it’s a game, and it’s a joke.

Here’s the problem. From vendor X, a $400 driver cost roughly $290 wholesale. We pay shipping (one of the costs of doing business the consumer almost never considers) on the driver, so $290 is now closer to $300. Selling for $400, it gives us a profit margin of 25% – $100 (money made)/$400 (retail).

Overall, as a healthy business we try to operate at 36%-38% profit margin. We’re already off by 10%-15% and the fun is just getting started.

Let’s say that, for some reason (it’s not very good) that $400 driver hasn’t seen much sell-through (you’re not buying it). Vendor X decides to run a $50 instant rebate on it. We, the retailer, are still into that driver for $290, so our immediate margin has just been reduced on our point of sale to 14.2%.

Vendor X still expects us to pay the invoiced amount of $290 for the driver. However, what we get to do is track sales for the 6 week promotion. At the end of week 6, we’re then going to be credited somewhere in the neighborhood of $12-$14 per driver.

Credit doesn’t keep the lights on.

So, what happens after 6 weeks?

More often than not the vendor will just drop the price for good. The $400 driver is now $350 or even $300. Again, we’re still into that driver for $290 (less any tremendous discounts they give us), and now it’s being sold for $300. We’re probably credited on our account, or in some instances in the past, we were given MORE of that product at NO CHARGE. Now we’re stuck with even more of those shitty drivers that didn’t sell and we’re not making any money on the ones that do.

Today there’s less of a push to take on additional product than there was in past and credits are much more common. Here’s the problem with that. Our margin of 25% may stay the same, but 25% on $300 is not the same DOLLAR amount made on that driver when our margin was 25% on $400. We now make $75 instead of $100.

What’s worse is when, because of poor sell-through early, the promotions begin after the product has only been on the shelves for 2 weeks. We have had 2 weeks to sell it!

We Don’t Choose Where to Spend Our Money

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One other interesting (more fun) part of the business that consumers probably aren’t aware of is that with certain vendors you’re forced to spread your spending over multiple, and often undesirable, categories.

You can’t say, “I want all of my money to be put into woods and irons, because those are the best-selling categories.” Nope, as a business owner I’m basically required to purchase 60 hats, 120 gloves, 18 bags, 120 dozen balls, 24 putters, and oh why not, some towels, divot tools, and umbrellas.

Vendor X wants…basically demands, that its entire line be represented in my store.

What?!?!

After all is said and done, margins may even trickle down to 18%-20%, meaning on an initial investment of $100,000, we’ve made all of $25,000. That covers 2 months of overhead.

Why did margins move so low?

For all that stuff in the categories we didn’t actually want to bring in to begin with, we’ve had to discount to 10% over cost or sell at even cost. There’s no way in hell the vendor will simply take the unsellable back.

The standard response from our reps:

Let me know what you had to discount and I’ll get you a credit on your account.”

More credits…no actual money.

12 reps, 12 vendors, this is lots of fun (not really).

It’s far from uncommon to discover that an online discount retailer has dropped the price on a cascaded product (usually previous generation stuff). The typical response from rep; “They must be blowing them out, do the same.

What?!?!

Are you going to give me some actual money to do that or should we just YET AGAIN take it in the shorts?

Let me know the next time you have an order and I’ll get you a percentage off wholesale.”

Unwrapped is Unmovable

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It’s also not unusual to basically be stuck with a dozen or so drivers that are not moving. Can we send them back for credit?

The standard response is, “Have they been hit?

No vendor wants product that has been hit, but we’re the ones in the trenches day in and day out working with customers to move their product.

A customer that comes in and demos 8 different drivers often wants to walk out with one still in the plastic. It makes it extremely difficult to run a profitable business. The numbers suck in our industry and most of the vendors do too when it comes to supporting their retailers.

The Demise of Dick’s Doesn’t Hurt

I’m sure you’re aware of the situation at Dick’s Sporting Goods. I don’t know where to start other than I’m glad it happened. Obviously it’s unfortunate that the PGA professionals lost their jobs, but I have no love lost for Dick’s.

Dick’s was and is based off the premise of volume. They are the Wal-Mart of our industry. They’re not alone, but they get the brunt of the criticism because of their never ending advertising, and arrogance.

We all have MAP (minimum advertised pricing) policies we have to adhere to. We always play by the rules, but these guys didn’t on several occasions. The demise of Dick’s golf business is the best thing to happen in the industry since my start in it. I won’t say much more about it because there’s a lot that has to play out, and hopefully it will sooner rather than later.

The Internet Makes Competing Difficult

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MAP pricing? That apparently doesn’t apply to a lot of online retailers. Add to cart for price is a great feature!

Why don’t we sell online?

We’re not interested in volume, but rather giving a quality experience to our customers. We don’t have the capital or manpower to invest in the online space.

We’ve invested heavily into our point of sale and our simulator units over the past 3 years. I’m told things are going to change with internet sales, but I’ll believe it when I see it.

It’s always fun (frustrating as hell) when we spend an hour of our time with a customer demoing 8 drivers, only to be told, “Thanks, I’ll be back.”

Welcome to Best Buy and window shopping. We’ve thought of instituting a policy similar to a golf course where if customers want to demo a driver, we’ll rent them a bay for 30 minutes. It’s a catch-22 because we often ask people if they want to try something out.

“Yes sir, you can try that out but it’ll be $10.”

Why people buy a $300 driver online without ever trying it, is beyond me. It happens all the time. We know it happens because we’re the lucky ones that get to put the new grip on it, or take it on a trade when they’re ready for our expertise on actually getting fit for a driver.

The internet is tough to contend with, and I hope for the sake of the entire industry there is some shake up regarding policy on it.

Direct to Consumer is Direct Competition

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We’re now moving into an era where we’ll be put into direct competition with our vendors. I haven’t talked yet about the vendors we actually like, but I will now.

I’ve had customers spend $800 on a set of irons through us, and the following year they purchase another set directly from our vendor for another $800.

Why does this happen? We treat our customers well. They seem to like buying from us.

It turns out that customer has been given a $100 gift card from the vendor. The customer comes to us – we’re local and most of our customers like to support local – and asks if they can use his gift card here.

We call the vendor and find out that the card can only be used directly through them. The customer wants to shop with us, but they can save money by going directly to the manufacturer. How does that support the industry as a whole?

There’s truly nothing like having your big brother beat you up, only to hold you down so your little brother can jump on you at the same time!

Some Actually Do Golf Right

There are 3 (equipment) vendors that I’ve told people we could carry to the exclusion of others and we’d be just fine. Example: A golfer visits the vendor’s their fitting headquarters. He walks out with his complete fitting information and is told to purchase his clubs at his local golf store or golf course.

We like these guys, and we move a high volume of their equipment. They don’t get into pricing wars. They stand behind their product, and maintain 18-24 month lifecycles.

They also don’t sell direct to the consumer.

Their businesses are based on quality. That’s what we stand for too. We fit people. We want people to play better golf. We’re certified fitters with all 3, and we’ll move as much volume with any 1 of these vendors as a most stores in a population center 5 times our size.

All of my employees, myself included, used to be unbiased with regard to what we sold. We aren’t anymore. We are not hard sellers, however, we now get behind certain vendors much more than some others because of the business practices I’ve discussed.

These 3 vendors have it figured out. The great thing about them not discounting their product is that we run between a 32%-38% profit margin with all of them!

Weird, right?

We make money when we properly fit a customer into a set of irons he’ll hopefully be happy with for 5-10 years. That’s how the business is supposed to work.

Wise Up

Where do I see the industry going and where should it go?

I haven’t touched on product lifecycles much. Some may love them, but we hate it when they’re 4-6 months, and consumers should too.

Wise up consumers!

There’s a reason that $400 driver is now $249.99 6 months later – IT’S NO GOOD.

Get out of your groupon/discount/sale mode and realize that spending $600-$800 for that properly fit set of irons now will benefit you more than looking for the $300 discounted set.

I’ll probably get flack for that statement, and rightfully so. I’m a consumer too. I want good deals, but I still understand quality.

Invest in Your Pastime

I need a new riding lawn mower. My neighbor is selling one for $250. I could buy it and take the risk that it needs a new battery/tires/belts. What might that cost? A couple hundred bucks maybe. I’m more inclined to spend $800-$1,000 on a new one I know will last me 10+ years.

I tell people that same thing in our store,

“Invest in your pastime.”

I don’t care if it’s skiing, fishing, hunting, or whatever. Invest in it!

Do we sell used irons for $200, or complete sets for $400? Yes we do. Is there a market for this? Of course. I’m not calling those people out; I’m calling out the guy that just wants a discount because he can get a discount.

“What’s on sale?”

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been asked that one – “The whole place is on sale, dumbass (I’d never say that aloud to a customer by the way).”

Try the stuff before you buy, work with a certified fitter to make sure it best fits you, and pay for it. You’ll be glad you did. Oh, and don’t forget if it breaks (because we are dealing with amateur golfers), we do have a full service repair center, or we can send it in if it’s covered by warranty (see the lawnmower analogy above).

Lastly, IF for some reason you’re struggling on the golf course with that new driver, please feel free to come back in at ANYTIME, and we’ll help you get it dialed in again. Perhaps even give you a couple of pointers on your swing; if you’re open to it (we’re very cognizant of not giving tips if people don’t want it).

We sell golf equipment, but keep in mind we’re human too and nice guys, and at the end of the day want people to enjoy the game and the time they spend with us so we see them again.

Where is the Industry Going?

Now that I’m off that the tangent…where is the industry going?

Hopefully to longer life cycles. I believe is inevitable. From there, I’m not sure. Where does it need to go? Where it was 10-15 years ago. We need golf courses and smaller shops with the expertise a big box store staffed with college kids working for beer money won’t have.

Golf companies need to get out of the direct to consumer selling model. I also believe the market is over-saturated with vendors. I’d like to see 2-3 of major vendors go away.

Lastly, vendors must rein in the internet. I personally wonder if we’re not losing some people from the game because they’re getting bad information, or had a bad experience with someone selling them the improper equipment? When the retail industry is based on volume, as opposed to quality, I can’t help but think it’s a factor in the decline of the game. Scale things down for the good of the industry.

As I wrap this up, please know that I’m only writing because of my passion for the game of golf and the equipment side of the industry. I love working with people in our stores, hearing about the birdies, holes in one, golf trips, etc. Most of all, I love hearing from the repeat customer we sold a custom set to who has since dropped from a 15 to a 9 handicap because of proper equipment and practice.

Yes, I said practice. We get that equipment alone cannot do it all. In fact, I play with many of our customers and they are now family friends.

Because of my passion for this game, I wanted to convey what it’s like in our shoes right now, and specifically how challenging the equipment business has become. It is this way because of many factors, but primarily it’s the consequence of poor decision making and of poor business models by several of the major vendors.

I’m optimistic that there are good things to come in this industry. Golfers and consumers should be too.

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      Regular Joe Golfer

      8 years ago

      I retired early and work in a BB store 2-4 days a week and have for over 3 years now. The problem is golf stores like the buzz from new clubs because that’s what gets customers back to the store. The customer will look, maybe take a few swings with the new club(s), then pick up a dozen balls, shirt, maybe see a wedge on sale their buddy used last week to hole out a chip from off the green…so it must be an AWESOME wedge, right? The downside is of course all the things the author mentioned.

      Golf magazines have grown dependent on manufacturers buying advertising for new gear, consumers see it and at least want to try the new stuff. So it becomes a vicious cycle. What happens to these stores if manufacturers go back to the 18-24 month cycle and there’s not much “new” in the store? For those who work in the store, we know about PING’s new driver because we’ve worked with it for several months up to 1 1/2 years. We know the shafts and adjustments that can be made and what effect that has for various swings.

      Believe me, I want to see longer product cycles. It’s gotten to the point I don’t even try to learn what’s different about the latest Callaway or Taylormade stuff. I just tell customers lets go to a bay and hit it.

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      Rick Tjalma

      8 years ago

      It is too expensive, been golfing for 40 years, they have priced themselves out

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      Bob van Leeuwen

      8 years ago

      I have to say it annoys me that a retailer complains about how consumers behave and why they don’t make money. But that is not the consumer, that is consumer behaviors infected by industry practice. I do completely agree with him that the industry (manufacturers) poisons the buying experience. Do they really think that we consumers are stupid. Every year (or is it 6 months) a new driver that should be better than the last???? That is just marketing BS. In all truth my 10 yo old Titlelist driver doesn’t perform much worse than my 2014 model. It may have a little more spin, but more maneuverability as well. If you come out with a new and improved driver (that i plan to use for more than 4 years) you ask me to spend 300+ euro’s on a club that is rendered obsolete within 6 to 12 months. Dont be surprised than when I go for a discount or buy a good second hand on ebay in my spec for a fifth of the price.

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      Leonard White

      8 years ago

      They need to wake up and realize that it is too expensive for most people to play! It needs to be more affordable for the average person to play!

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      James

      8 years ago

      You can only sell “this driver adds 15yrds to your game” for so long. If I was buying Callaway every time it launched a new driver I should by now hit the latest $500 model about 450 yrds and I am 15 yrs older. Manufacturers has glutted the market with to much. To many models and upgrades etc that were only cosmetic. Ripping off the consumer only last so long. So yes they killed themselves for short term shareholder returns and long term demise of the goose the produce the golden egg. Cut the manufacturer’s output, produce less updates, focus on the add on’s like balls, etc. The main reason a lot of friends buy Mizuno/Titleist or Ping as there is less discount and they don’t end up 6 months later were their set of irons are sold at a 30-40% discount just because there is a new color paint on the market.

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      Gene Nead

      8 years ago

      This is a problem in many facets of business in America, it’s called greed, Manufactures in many cases are just whores, they demand large quantity price breaks from their venders then undercut them and sell direct to the customer, happens in a lot of different forms of business in our country. Again it’s just greed. What is really concerning to me is all that all major golf company’s have most of their clubs manufactured in China, so those 500 dollar set of irons you just bought Cost a few dollars a piece to have made in China.

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      Matt

      7 years ago

      I agree with your assessment completely. What consumers are buying is cheap Chinese crap. Same applies to clothing, I used to frequent Brooks Brothers then I started seeing made in China! I told my wife, now why would I pay for cheap Chinese labor and materials so CEOs and BB can make money hand over fist? Same applies to Burberry too, all the brands.
      I play Mizuno because I feel like the attention to detail in the process is there, I think their forging process is better than that of China. I do not bend to the “hot” driver of the year, as of 2016 am playing the Mizuno Mp .001 which is a forged titanium driver, and it out performs the M1 and 2 which are really shitty clubs.
      The market needs to stop caving to the brands and wise up, and control their spending, their is no quick fix to your game, so buying all the adjustability is just a band aid and a why for manufactures to make one size fits all and charge us out the ass

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      Steve Conti

      8 years ago

      Golf will destroy itself like hockey did ice time equipment unafforable prices golf clubs…..dozen high end golf balls are ridiculous even price of grips..RIDICULOUS

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      Joe Corsi

      8 years ago

      Spot on Joe. You would be suprised how many customers want to come in get fit by us then buy on the Internet. We do charge a fitting fee for our expertise and many customers walk out when we tell them about the fee without getting fit cause they had no intention on buying from us. Customers will miss the ability to touch feel and try product if all the brick and mortar stores go away . Manufacturers are currently raising MAP pricing which I think is a mistake especially in our market. Like every business today it’s tougher every day but for those of us that have no debt and keep overhead low there remains a nitch to be successful

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      Nathan H

      8 years ago

      That’s pretty much how I buy clubs. I’m a high level amateur with pro aspirations that knows how to fit myself on a monitor. Just last week I went into a Golfsmith and asked for 5 different fairway wood heads and a half dozen of my favorite aftermarket shafts. As soon as I found the right combination I asked if they could build it for me and they of course couldn’t because they only had the one one Diamana ‘Ahina shaft and it was a demo. Ordering the shaft through them was going to take 2-3 weeks and it would be full markup price. I ordered straight from the manufacturer and got the shaft I needed at a discounted rate and the club was at my doorstep in 4 business days with the grip built up just the way I like it at no additional charge. I’d selfishly hate to see the brick and mortar stores go away but I just don’t see how they can survive under the current business model unless the manufacturers stop selling direct to consumer.

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      Christopher Hamelink

      8 years ago

      I agree with some of the points in the article. The net down and crediting account process is a nightmare to keep track of. However, the shop where I work is having a record sales year for equipment and accessories. Being centrally located to a large metropolitan area with many magnificent golf courses certainly helps. Having a helpful and knowledge staff with a full service facility and year around range with full ball flight is a definite bonus. Pricing less than m.a.p. also helps. Remember, m.a.p. only limits what you can advertise for. Other than ping, product can be sold at whatever price you want. If you are creative enough, you can sell for less at high volume and be profitable enough to stay afloat. Adopting the concept of taking care of customers and giving them the best deal possible is a good philosophy. And having customers like the great JT Murphy.

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      JT Murphy

      8 years ago

      I think there are some great points of the article here. And some I don’t know to be true or false based off never running a shop. I think any business this day in age that doesn’t convert to some sort of online business will be extinct. I do think it’s obnoxious that vendors release 2-3 items a year. Other sporting companies don’t release that fast, I think? Golf is as expensive as you make it. That’s not the problem. If people think golf is expensive, have a couple kids go through competitive soccer/baseball.

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      John Doe

      8 years ago

      I’d just like to ad my opinion, there is nothing wrong with online sales, but it must be at the same price as the brick & mortar store. How could any business survive if the manufacturers sold the same product at the same price to both the store, and the warehouse that sell exclusively online?
      I also disagree with anyone who says online sales MUST exist in the golf industry, or in any other industry for that matter, if there were no online sales, consumers would be buying from the shops, regardless of the product, balls, clubs, fishing tackle, tires, paint, etc., etc.

      JT Murphy

      8 years ago

      Christopher Hamelink what do you think if club manufacturers came out with drivers/wedges/irons like car manufacturers. Every 2-3 years, then change the body style. Could you sell more product this way or less? You would think it would cut down on the resale market because 8 month old stuff wouldn’t be flooded on discount sites? There’s no way a club can get better each year. Take a few months to make and market. So actual R&D is a couple months maybe?

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      David Wozny

      8 years ago

      Rounds of golf are up in 2016. Golf is back in the Olympics. Four people not named Tiger won a major. Companies who want to get out (Nike) are getting out and companies who want in (PXG) are in a spot to where they might change the game. 2017 is wide open for growth.

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      Jimmy Ingram

      8 years ago

      The last half dozen times I’ve been in brick and mortar golf stores the minimum wage millennial employees were more interested in talking to each other than helping customers. No managers or reasonable customer service to be found. Tell me again why I should feel bad these stores are losing money.

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      bruce hart

      8 years ago

      i routinely go to dick’s, sports authority (RIP) and golfsmith. of the three, sports authority had the friendliest sales people.

      i have to limit my spending so i’ve taken to buying used (golfsmith has some of those and will let you hit them) or store brands. i bought a top-flite 5 hybrid at dick’s for $25 and am hitting that thing great. my putter is a tommy armour from sports authority.

      i like the way ben hogan company is allowing people to trial two clubs. i loved mine and am hoping i can buy some of those soon.

      i also like vendor days at local golf courses. a great way to try out the gear before committing to a purchase. and they usually have a good deal if you buy them at the event.

      and watching bomb tech has been interesting.

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      Albert Eng

      8 years ago

      We all know the brands that flip flop every 6-9 months with equipment lines. TaylorMade, Callaway, Cobra. PXG probably will discount there clubs. The new model comes out and you don’t discount the previous model. No way!! Then again PXG isn’t exactly in any local golf shop down the road. Own preferred pro club fitters.

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      Marti Reinland

      8 years ago

      wow, loved every word of it.

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      Harry B. Gasparett

      8 years ago

      Market is flooded…

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      Cace Smith

      8 years ago

      Outstanding article. I think the vendor model for the most part is extremely antiquated. I work in consumer goods for a major food manufacturer and this model of credits would never fly. The author nailed what needs to change to move the industry forward.

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      Doug Neidermeyer

      8 years ago

      The golf industry has been trying to add 20 yards to everyone’s game for over 50 years. People have finally had enough, the average golfer is not going to spend XX$$ to marginally improve their game. The limits of technology have been reached for the past several years…driver size, ball speed, ect. Custom fitting helps the tour player with balls and clubs fitting a very consistent golf swing. The average player who plays 5-15 rounds a year not so much.

      My final thought…A player speaking about Chi Chi once said ” if he hit it 20 yards further with every driver he ever endorsed, he’d be hitting 800 yards now.”

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      Jim Lee

      8 years ago

      For me, might sound like I’m cocky, I do want golf clubs to be expensive. The reason being, I don’t want new and beginning golfers to filled the golf course. 1. It will slow down plays. 2. They tends to ruins golf courses wanting to hit like pros, making hug divots. 3. Same as 1&2.
      Sorry, that’s just my view.

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      Bignose

      8 years ago

      Jim, the problem there is that unless you are willing to pay several hundred per round, then there ain’t gonna be a golf course filled with any golfers, beginning or experienced. Sounds like you need to join a private club.

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      Brent Wilhelmsen

      8 years ago

      I wish all the brick and mortar stores would go away then all you fuckheads can buy everything off eBay or an online retailer and wait for your shit and maybe be happy with it maybe not.

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      Brad Taylor

      8 years ago

      In there somewhere he said something about… “finally willing to get out expertise and get fit for a driver”…. one time I went to golfsmith and they put a aldila NVS 85 hybrid shaft in my 3 wood. Not only did I want an *NV* (not NVS I know the damn difference) they ordered me a hybrid shaft. I hit it (reluctantly) and the pro said I was hitting it really well. (Barely carrying 200 is unacceptable stepping on it got me 219) I told him it was flying to high and spinning too much. I averaged 240 off the deck. His response sounded like he was unwilling to believe me. Gave me a ping G in 85 tour shaft. First one was bang on the screws 240. Next one was 243. He said “we will fix this right away”

      So don’t be surprised if people are skeptical of your “expertise”

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      Justin Blair

      8 years ago

      You’re getting the perception. The good feels. Unless PXG completely broke the mold and bought a whole production facility for themselves, they’re not doing anything different from the Callaways, Taylormade’s, Mizuno’s, or Titleist’s.

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      John H. Nobles

      8 years ago

      I have been in the golf business 20 years and I could not have wrote this article any better. Thank you and amen !!

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      Greg Marcus

      8 years ago

      Albert Eng PXG will stay that way. They have literally revolutionized the golf club. At $450-$500 a stick you know what you’re getting. Just like Mizuno. There will be NO discount thought PXG, you want the best, you will pay for the best.

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      Mike

      8 years ago

      The business is changing rapidly, many old brick and mortar stores can’t keep up, and soon they are gone – wah wah. I haven’t been to many book or record stores lately, but people still read.. people still listen to music – probably more than ever, they just do it differently, and it’s much cheaper and more convenient for everyone involved.

      Club fitting isn’t rocket science. I’m not a trained expert, but I can get “close enough” with some time on a launch monitor and a lot of research, then go home and order some ultra discounted new or lightly used clubs for literally a third of what a brick and mortar store wants to charge me. The days of people paying $300, $400 or even $500 or more for a new driver every couple years are quickly coming to a close – and there’s an entire network of stores, employees, distributors and even manufacturers that are going down with it. I paid $68 for my lightly used driver – it’s a couple of extremely fast generations old, but I know my launch monitor numbers pretty well, and nothing out there at any price is going to get me more than 5 extra yards on average. Consumers are simply wising up.

      Find a new way to make money, archaic golf stores – give me a dozen bays of accurate 4K golf simulation to choose from in the winter, with good food and some craft beer – I will gladly hand over my credit card. If you get pretty close to the prices I can find online, I might even buy some clubs or balls from you while I’m there! Of course you won’t make any real money on equipment at those margins, but that’s not your main business model any more, is it?

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      Bill

      8 years ago

      This is the same guy that calls my auto repair shop everday and says how much to install my brake pads and rotors i bought from autozone I tried to do it myself and I cant even get the lug nuts loose……better yet how much do you charge just to loosen the lug nuts ?

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      Joe Rodriguez

      8 years ago

      There is just no point of buying brand new. Plus online stores are way cheaper than any local retailer. I try clubs at these stores then i go online to buy. Most everyone is right when they say these costs have got out of hand. Maybe Nike started to realize that. Lol.

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      Alan W. Loudfoot

      8 years ago

      With what they promised with the equipment I bought I should be hitting the ball around 600 yards.

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      RAT

      8 years ago

      Short and ? —- The mfg has it figured out , get their product a GOLD label rating by a magazine , because they always tell it like it really is !!! Right( Ad) money haha. Then have it made the cheapest way and place China? Stick it to the retailer! OH! charge an out of site price !!
      In short ( build them cheap sell them high) ” Mikey Will Eat Anything”

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      Aaron Young

      8 years ago

      it’s not trending down, the people who can afford it is !

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      Ben Cole

      8 years ago

      The problem with constant product launches is it creates a huge second hand market. Ebay is your friend. 95% of my bag is made up of second hand equipment in excellent condition. If you do your research and know quality equipment manufacturers (Mizuno, Titleist, Ping etc) and past models that were good you can with some hunting track down what you’re after on ebay for a fraction of the price of brand new, this year’s all singing model. Just because a club is 1-2 years old doesn’t mean its suddenly rubbish (with the exception of worn wedges). Golf is expensive. As a working bloke you’ve got to find ways to make your golfing passion financially manageable with all the other things life throws at you. Investing in lessons from a respected coach & practising correctly is more beneficial than paying big bucks for the latest driver every 12 months. This lad sounds like he cares about his customers which is great, but sad to see what he has to put up with. I had a golf pro say to me 4 years ago that he makes nothing off club sales, clothing & footwear is where the money is…..

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      Tom Nguyen

      8 years ago

      Same three I was thinking: Titleist, Ping, Mizuno

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      Greg Marcus

      8 years ago

      The people that buy Mizuno should know the quality that it brings. You’re not getting custom fit for Mizuno and not knowing the price that comes with it. You think PXG is ever going to discount a club. Nope, you can play with something else. There is a club and a price point for everyone.

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      Greg Marcus

      8 years ago

      There is ZERO relevance to this article. It’s just another guy who bought a fm franchise and mis-managed it, if they/he knew what to do to begin with.

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      Doug Mauch

      8 years ago

      The article is dead on…easier to sell 2 shirts (cost $35 ea) and profit $70, than 1 driver and hopefully profit $70!

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      Kenny Stammen

      8 years ago

      I’ve played golf now for 40 years and everything in my bag including the bag and my shoes were perchased on Ebay. My clubs were either 2-3 years old and never played or newer slightly used. If I buy something and I don’t like it I sell it right back on Ebay. I spend half of what the new stuff costs. I wear 240.00 Foot Joy shoes that I paid 90.00 for. If there are many out there like me, we are a big reason equipment companied are hurting.

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      Greg Marcus

      8 years ago

      And you’re ok with it.

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      Kenny Stammen

      8 years ago

      Why wouldn’t I be? If the manufacturers are going to make more stuff than they can sell and the people who have to have brand new stuff all the time are always selling great used gear, why shouldn’t I be willing to buy it? The driver I play was never used, has a Graphaloy stock shaft and only cost me 140.00 because it hadn’t been sold for 2 years in a retail outlet. They come out with a new driver twice each year that is a miniscule amount better than the last one so they have to do something with the overstock. They sell it at a fraction of the original price to on-line retailers who sell that authentic gear for half of it’s original retail price. Ever hear of the free market, supply and demand? You can be the sucker who pays way to much for golf equipment but I won’t. And …….. there is absolutely no reason to feel bad about it.

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      John Doe

      8 years ago

      That’s certainly not true with every golf equipment company and you know it.

      Benjamin Lee

      8 years ago

      Manufacturers really putting retailers under a lot of pressure to stay afloat with such small margins. Golf retail business sounds really tough.

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      Dan Kurtenbach

      8 years ago

      All this written as if the manufacturers are making a killing by screwing the retailers. They are hurting too (tm, Nike, scratch…).

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      Aaron Thompson

      8 years ago

      Randy Corti taylormade for sale, Nike leaving golf equipment biz, GolfSmith possibly facing bankruptcy

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      Randy Corti

      8 years ago

      MyGolf Spy what’s the “current situation”?

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      Patrick Brendan Kahm

      8 years ago

      I worked as a buyer for one of the biggest online retailers in golf, and this article is spot on. Chasing manufacturers around for “credits” on items was an accounting nightmare. To this day I don’t even know if I was ever properly “netted down” from any OEM on price drops/promotions. I knew this sort of business model wouldn’t be sustainable, surprised it took this long actually. Callaway will be the next to go down, Chip is following the old TM model (which he also used at Adams), it won’t work forever

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      Jason Falin

      8 years ago

      Second that motion!

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      Nicholas Martinez

      8 years ago

      Interesting read…

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      Jason Woodmansee

      8 years ago

      This part is kinda hilarious in the same way my grandmother doesn’t understand why people use mobile phones when there’s a perfectly good one in your house. Perhaps this kind of denial is part of the problem?

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      Dan Kurtenbach

      8 years ago

      Also,

      “Where does it need to go? Where it was 10-15 years ago.”

      Can we just turn off the internet plz. I don’t have a quote but he also says he doesn’t have to man power and resources to go online. Wat. This is a brick and mortar retailer talking about 100k purchases and experienced club fitters, retail is much more brutal than online

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      Robert Young

      8 years ago

      Pretty sure after all the articles I’ve read from golf digest on how to harness power from my left and right sides, I’ll be chipping back to par 4’s….

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      William Stepan

      8 years ago

      The problems:

      1) playing psychologist by suggesting more accuracy and distance.
      2) cost of a round
      3) cost of equipment
      4) the general view of golf culture to the non-playing public.
      5) etiquette out the window
      6) behavior on public courses
      7) arrogance by nearly every facet of the golf industry right down to the consumer
      8) leagues…yes leagues. Guarantee revenue for course eats up prime playing times after work
      9) good old boy network
      10) unwillingness of sales force to dedicate to new golfer entry into game.
      11) new equipment every 6 months
      12) big box destruction of little guy
      13) too many high price/resort courses
      14) pace of play
      15) ego

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      James Badgley

      8 years ago

      So basically the guy hates Taylormade and loves Titleist and Ping

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      Lee Huff

      8 years ago

      Not necessarily taylormade itself, but taylormades business model. When a company makes 50+ different sets of irons over a period of 5-6 years and 20 different drivers in that same period, it devalues the previous models super quick. Why would you buy a new iron set when 3 months later the same company is making a newer “better” set of irons and the 3 month old ones are discounted 50% or more?

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      Michael Anthony

      8 years ago

      Great article

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      John Magdalene Agel Sjc

      8 years ago

      It is all too expensive, from gear to playing. I’ve worked every aspect of the industry. The vendors treat retailers badly, which is the hardest thing to overcome. Author has some good ideas. The whole industry has to take a longer view and all consider themselves the keepers of the game. Business as a whole has become wrongfully obsessed with the fast killing now, rather than investing into the long haul.

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      Chris Nester

      8 years ago

      Can I buy a vowel?

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      Chris Nester

      8 years ago

      Your name has too many consonants.

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      Ben Clabaugh

      8 years ago

      It’s like the housing market ten years ago. Golf had a bubble thanks to Tiger and it busted and we’re seeing the affects. Closing of courses, lower play, companies closing their doors, etc. It’s just leveling out which isn’t a bad thing really. Still way more popular than it was in the mid 90s. Equipment costs about the same as back then. Rounds cost more though but that shouldn’t be a shock.

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      Justin Blair

      8 years ago

      Actually, it’s even with the numbers of about ’95, ~25M people, compared to the high of ~30M back in 2005, per the National Golf Foundation.

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      Collin Kossakoski

      8 years ago

      This comment is stupid

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      Daniel Overbey

      8 years ago

      you don’t have to buy big brands for quality equipment either…that will save you tons

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      Aaron Thompson

      8 years ago

      Spot on MyGolf Spy just keep doing what you do :)

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      Jim Cox

      8 years ago

      Golf equipment is getting too expensive to own, no matter where you buy it. The manufactures have to cut prices for all.

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      MyGolf Spy

      8 years ago

      Still very relevant with current situation which is why we re-published. Not every story is worthless 33 minutes after published. We prefer the longer view, not “11 Things You Can Do To Crush The Ball 300 Yards Everytime!” Type of articles that have flooded the largest golf rags.

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      Mike

      8 years ago

      Do you think it’s funny that this article is on MyGolf Spy, which year after year declares Cobra drivers as the best, or one of the best, and they routinely sell last year’s model for over half-off MSRP? This anonymous guy’s assertion that cost equates to quality as an absolute, is preposterous. Why would I spend $400 for a Titleist driver at this guy’s shop, when I can can order a Cobra Fly-Z, MyGolf Spy’s #1 driver for 2015, online for $150. The answer is simple, I wouldn’t. Maybe the problem is the arrogance of a business that thinks they are entitled to a consumer blindly spending $400 on a driver without shopping around.

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      Guy Crawford

      8 years ago

      Very interesting. To me the flood of new models every 6 months has hurt the industry. That magical 20 yards

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      James Jonez

      8 years ago

      I still have my clubs from high school. Still shoot 70s and I just change the grips when needed.

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      Ryan Holcomb

      8 years ago

      The PGA needs to drop the USGA. Then

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      Jonathan Bolton

      8 years ago

      Golf is not a poor man’s game.

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      Jonathan Bolton

      8 years ago

      I know, right? LOL. I’ve amped up my clubs, range finder, and apparel… spent a few bucks… not cheap.

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      Ben Goergen

      8 years ago

      Hey MyGolf Spy, do you think a business model where golf manufactures teamed up and made equipment together would work. Similar to what Honda/Acura and Lexus/Toyota, GM brands do with cars. Then they can lower overhead, fixed costs go down, possibly less staff, maybe more buying power for raw materials so they can save on them. Less high paying executives in the industry. Could all help create better profitability which could then lower prices a little. Lexus and Toyota use a lot of the same designs cross brand so they didn’t “invent the wheel” twice on those two cars. Had to save time and money.

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      Anthony

      8 years ago

      Lexus and Toyota haven’t teamed up, they are the same company with various product lines to address specific demographics, as are the rest of the auto companies. Golf manufacturers are organized much the same; adidas owns Taylormade and Adams, Callaway used to own Cobra and Cleveland, still own Ben Hogan, Srixon and Cleveland are owned by a holding company and the story goes on.

      Kris Harding

      8 years ago

      Its not complicated… Its too expensive…

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      MyGolf Spy

      8 years ago

      Prices have not gone up over the past decade until just a few months ago. It is a little more complicated.

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      Jeff McEldowney

      8 years ago

      MyGolf Spy agreed. Look at the cost of a gallon of milk vs a golf club in 1995 most will be very surprised.

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      Gregory S. Addis

      8 years ago

      How is that true? Possibly drivers and individual clubs. Iron sets used to max out at around 800 bucks for an 8 club set. Now it’s $1000 to 1700+ for a top tier set. Plus margins for retailers are terrible.

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      Phil Johnson

      8 years ago

      Plus it costs $40 just to play 18 holes…. At a public course.
      Also with the cost of living gone up and wages staying the same ppl can’t afford to pay $2,000 for a full set of clubs and a bag, and that’s a conservative set up.

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      Patrick Kinley

      8 years ago

      The margins in retail golf business have never been great but with all the internet shoppers and manufacturers changing models sometimes 2-3x a year…the golf business sucks ass

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      Paul MacLeod

      8 years ago

      A driver was $700 in 1995. They are cheaper now.

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      Mike Blouin

      9 years ago

      Many distributors and retailers are suffering with regards to margins, revenue, etc… I can tell you that it is much deeper than that. There are many programs and rulings in place when it comes to importing/ exporting and nobody is taking advantage of these. You might be leaving more money on the table than you realize. What are you doing with the “non moving goods”? Are you sending them back? are you destroying the goods? Sometimes,You can get more money back by destroying the goods than getting “credits” or RMA’s. All the rebates that you get can also cause serious valuation concerns. There are rulings in place for certain types of equipment and accessories that currently many distributors are paying 18% duty when in fact you can be paying 0%. This eliminates valuation concerns as your rate is 0% duty. There is much more to this, but the status quo is killing your industry. Today, many focus on the risk of change rather than analyzing the risk of staying the same. Look at Chapters vs Amazon… Who is the industry leader today vs 20 years ago?

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      JDB

      10 years ago

      This was a great article to read and dead on with most of the facts. I do think location plays a part also. Where you live has a big part of where you buy your golf stuff. I’m from northest PA and I have 2 Dick’s stores closer to me than any golf shop. I need to drive an hour to get to the closest golf galaxy in Allentown. I really don’t have a choice but to shop at Dick’s or order online which I don’t like doing. I just purchased a Cleveland driver, 3 wood and wedges for just $400. You can’t beat that even though I know it’s hurting the industry

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      mike

      10 years ago

      Consumers are not turned off by $500 drivers or new equipment. If you look at data tech numbers over the last 5 years 2012 was significantly up in equipment sales Because of weather and one down year (2014) terrible spring. The other years were either up 1% or down 1%. If golf shops are struggling I would say it’s because they make bad buying decisions. My shop is up this year… he hmmmmm but I thought the industry was dead. I love new fresh products as long as my rep picks up old products.

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      Mark

      10 years ago

      Perhaps your customers are willing to pay $500 but I would not pay that. As my friend Joey proudly says, he can suck just as good with the cheap balls as he could with the expensive ones. I found a nearly brand new Ping G25 Driver demo for $200. The stock shaft works fine for me. After playing all season with it, I am sure its current condition would look the same had it been purchased brand new. All manufacturers are obliged to follow the USGA limits for forgiveness and size so what does a more expensive driver get me but less cash in my pocket. BTW, this year I also opted to buy a used iron set and found a nice set of Ping G25 irons in my color code. I saved quite a bit over a new set and after playing all season with them, I am sure their current condition would look the same had they been purchased brand new.

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      Mbwa Kali Sana

      10 years ago

      Dear Mr Gus ,You’re probabably not An Enginneer or you have never visited factories. Yourself :I’ve seen all THE TOYOTA ,HONDA ,NISSAN FACTORIES and observed how THE workers opérate : i CAN attest That between a TOYOTA MADE IN JAPAN .and a TOYOTA made IN EUROPE or MALAYSIA ,THERE’s a huge différence IN quality :THE JAPANESE average worker is not only faster ,but hé is much more scrupulous and attentive to THE work hé does :you don’t see this at THE outset ,but it shows up later .
      I have a TOYOTA ” MADE IN JAPAN”. .It’ s 15 years old ,and runs as if it was brand NEW .

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      Blazman11

      10 years ago

      The author of this article brings up some very good points and I would love to support his viewpoint. Unfortunately for me, the B&M model is dead because I am a lefty. Now I fully understand that I’m in the minority in regards to the golfing population and can understand why there are many offerings that I cannot just walk into a store and buy off the rack. But there should at least be demos with multiple shaft options.

      I was recently in a Golf Galaxy to have a wedge bent and really wanted to try a Covert 2 Tour and Bio Cell + driver. There were none available for me to hit. I inquired then about an SLDR 430. Nope none of those either in lefty. Sure they could order me one at full MSRP but why would I do that?

      Instead I bought a brand new Bio Cell + driver for $209 off EBay with shipping. And a new SLDR TP for $270. Sure there’s a risk for counterfeit but much less of a chance for me getting burned when I’m A) a lefty B) use trusted sellers and C) covered by PayPal. And if I don’t like a club I’ll sell it at a $25 loss which is acceptable to me.

      My other options are to drive 50-85 minutes to other golf shops that may have one of my options for me to hit. And if I buy it from them I’m paying much more than I would online and it may not even be my first choice. Then you factor I’m out 3 hours of my life and maybe 5 gallons of gas at $3.60 a pop, it makes perfect sense for me to buy and try.

      I do agree that fittings are important. But once you’ve been through a few of them, you know your specs and generally what works and what doesn’t. All manufacturers post iron specs so I keep a spreadsheet of irons that I was fit for and have all new/used irons adjusted to those same specs. I also know I like a stiff butt end in irons shafts and those figures are also available. Is the setup 100% optimal? No, but I’m also 40, will never earn a dime playing this game and carry an 8 handicap. The issues for me isn’t with properly fit equipment, it’s time restrictions to improve my game.

      The other huge turnoff in shopping at a B&M golf store is the poor and elitist attitude many workers exhibit. New golfers won’t even step foot in a golf store as they are so intimidated. Even me who is very educated, personable and open to suggestions hates hates hates going to golf stores because for every one decent employee you encounter 3 who just can’t be bothered. So while I would love to have a local shop that caters to the customer like the author suggests, I’ve never seen such a thing exist.

      I personally have no sympathy for anyone in the industry as I’ve felt you (collectively) have brought this all on yourselves. The golf industry has turned off good, steady players by flooding the market with over priced items and making customers wade through a sea of choices. They’ve turned off occasional golfers because who in their right mind would spend $300 on a driver when they play once a month and have to deal with the intimidation and attitude of a golf store? I’ve pieced together many quality used sets for occasional golfer friends for under $500 all in (bag, woods, iron, putter). When a B&M store can do that, they will rebound. I’m not talking about some garbage starter set either. A quality set of clubs with a bag and a smile for $500 or less. Right now, there is no middle option. It’s either starter garbage or high end. You need something good and affordable with the marketing to back it up.

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      Mark

      10 years ago

      You raise a lot of good points. While I never found the help in the mega golf stores that are located only minutes from my home to be intimidating, I do agree on the economics. I do think having a store employee watch you swing with a group of customers watching and waiting their turn is rather awkward. Why would a newbie invest $1500-$2000 in oem golf eq (clubs, bag, cart) if they don’t even know whether they will like the game or only see themselves playing once a month or get fed up with a 6 hour round, which is what I had yesterday. I left my home around 10:00am for an 11:00am tee time and left the golf course around 5:30 and got home around 6:00pm. If not for cell phones, a search party probably would have been sent out for me.

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      Robeli

      10 years ago

      Bingo! B&M shops still wants to do business like it is 10-15 y ago. As you said, information today on each and every club/shaft is everywhere on the web. Do your own research and ‘fit’ yourself. 10 y ago, those information were only available to the pro at the shop, so it benefitted you to visit them and got fitted. Today you can let a friend take a video of your swing, upload it to a website for analysis and comparison, showing your characteristics. Then you can search and shop for what fits you or not. With unlimited pre-own clubs available or last year’s model, it is fun doing it this way. And with technology, I still play with 2y old driver because none in last 2y has increased my distance and forgiveness to justify upgrading. Information. The educated and smart golfer can do his own fitting. And then I have not started on the subject of fitting your clubs (hosels, shafts, grips, etc.) Tools do those in your backyard barn is everywhere available to buy.

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      Garreth

      8 years ago

      Take a video & upload to a website for analysis…..you obviously know absolutely nothing about the fitting process. How does a video capture the moment of impact, load on shaft, kickpoint, ball flight etc. etc. Golfer can fit themselves via lots of expensive trial & error

      Nathan H

      8 years ago

      I can walk into a B&M store, grab 5 different heads and every aftermarket shaft out of a bag next to their monitor and start fitting myself. I know how to make sense of a full readout and can fit myself easily based off of those numbers plus whatever feel preference I have with the various shafts. With that knowledge I can then go online and order straight from the manufacturer and get the same shaft often at a slight discount with a built up grip installed at no additional charge. Shipping is irrelevant because the B&M wasn’t going to have any Diamana Whiteboards anyway so I was just going to have to wait on them to order it for me and have me cover shipping. I’ve done this with my last 3 wood and Driver purchase and the fact that not a single employee bothered me after I simply told them “I don’t need any help” should tell you all you need to know about their chances of survival. They can’t afford to let people like me get away with using those monitors at no charge.

      gus

      10 years ago

      Thanks for the read and I’ve talked to a couple local golf shop owners and it’s pretty much spot on what’s being described in this article.

      They are both still in business for only two reasons – to fuel their passion and continue to support the small group of loyal customers who have now become friends and occasional golfing buddies.

      One of them look for ways to pass on the discounts to their customers as they can’t compete on price alone against bigger golf chains. Recently he ordered a bunch of personalized ProV1 as Titleist had a promotion on custom orders. He took a gamble and ordered a bunch with typical golf phases printed, hoping customers won’t mind it to save a few bucks. This is the sort of thing he has to do to attract cost-focused customers

      The other owner only supports premium Japanese brands (beside Mizuno/Bridgestone that already sells in the US), where buyers know and are willing to pay for the quality product, so he doesn’t compete on price and bigger golf chain stores don’t carry them. To support his niche store, he also runs a travel agency and offers music lesson (operated by his other family members) so really the golf store is just a hobby and not the main source of income (or loss).

      Still, i don’t see how either of them will be able to stay afloat much longer.

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      Tim Null

      10 years ago

      I used to work in the cycling industry. Managed a high end bike shop in Southern California. Everything he said is true for cycling as well. 35% margins for bikes is about right. If you sold a bike with no accessories, you did not make money. I no longer work in the industry, but I am loyal to the local shops, both cycling and golf. Why? Because I want to try out merchandise and I want expert advice and customer service. Most sales staff at small shops are enthusiasts and know their sport. They are there due to a love of the sport. So they keep up with the latest technology. If they close, you loose that expertise. I will pay a few more dollars for that service. Now if yoy are going to order via the internet, go ahead. But do not go into the store, pick their brains, try out there merchandise and then leave and order online. You are not being fair. I hated this, especially when they would come back and show me what they got online. Are you kidding me…..jackasses! Lol If you want to be forced to order everything online without taljing to someone and never touching the item, then do not be loyal to your local shop. Good luck when you need expert advice, the store will be closed…

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      Jerry

      10 years ago

      In truth a good fitter can help any level player. If you can’t afford a new premium set or don’t want to go thru that step you can sorta self fit if you have some golf smarts. It will take a bunch of trial and error but if you swing with some consistent speed and swing path most golfers can observe how different shafts affect where the ball goes and how far. A good fitter certainly makes this process easier and more accurate.

      Now, for why the small golf shop struggles is pretty obvious. Manufacturers will go where the money (to be made) is. They simply make more profit selling in volume even at reduced margins. The small guy has to work harder and out smart the big box guys with better service or something that gives the discerning buyer a compelling reason to spend at their store. I go to a Golf Galaxy where I can hit balls and use all their tech stuff to compare clubs. But I generally buy my balls and clothing at the small shop because they give me better service and carry cooler stuff. When I get my next set of sticks the small shop will get my biz and a fitting. My last two sets of irons have been Mizuno. I went TM over Cally on woods last time but it was strictly a decision on weeks of trialling multiple models and shafts. I simply hit my choice further and straighter (read tighter dispersion). With almost every new release of the “latest” I will bring in my current driver and do an A/B into a screen that shows yardage and cumulative dispersion. Pretty easy to figure out if you need a new $400 driver or not.

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      Mbwa Kali Sana

      10 years ago

      People are leasing golf
      (a) because it has become too expensive ,between THE Green fees ,THE club memberships ,THE équipment.
      ( b) because it takes too much Time :how CAN a working Guy play golf except during THE week ends when THE golf courses are crammed up ,and it takes more than four hours to play a round !
      ( c)because it ruins your couple if both wife and husband don’t play at THE same Time .
      ( d) because you can’t play if you have young children :who takes care of them when both parents play?
      ( e) because THE ” image ” OF golf is poor ,it’s a sport for old ,disabled seniors .Youngsters play tennis ,baseball ,basketball ,soccer ,rugby or go fencing ,boxing ,practising judo ,etc,etc….
      (f) because you can’t play WELL without taking many lessons ,which are hugely expensive !
      ( g ) because to play WELL you have to be physically very fit :how many seniors practise daily drills to be fit ?

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      RON

      10 years ago

      Another thing that makes me laugh is these custom fitters think they can order the specs from the guy they fitted and accually think these OEMS are going to mail him those clubs with those exact specs lol DONT COUNT ON THAT EITHER . My club pro asked this guy before he was abt to go for one of those fittings what shaft flex and weight his clubs were and he told him he plays a stiff and a d1 weight then the pro asked him why he was waisting his money for this big fitting,he said SO WHY BOTHER GETTING FITTED DO YOU ACCUALLY THINK THERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR YA, DONT WASTE YR MONEY LOL. This pro played on tour so I think he is qualified to give good honest advise.

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      Mark

      10 years ago

      Yesterday at a local GC, I was paired with a father and son. Complete strangers to me. Son tried dad’s R Shafted driver on the 18th hole and the ball went no where but a huge dribble to the right. He pulled out his Stiff Cleveland launcher and hit it 250 yards straight. I think that those who want the latest $300 shaft should be custom fitted to squeeze out those extra yards they are willing to buy and for the rest of us, at least for those not in the know, a set of clubs that have the proper flex, length, lie angle, swing weight and steel vs. graphite. I don’t know why that would enlist so much protest. If you don’t want it, then don’t pay for it. I used Ping’s online system and it worked fine for me. Unfortunately, I see too many golfers who believe they hit the ball further than they do and a launch monitor may help there. The father hit the ball for the most part pretty nice but he came up short on nearly every hole without any wind factoring into it.

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      Mbwa Kali Sana

      10 years ago

      Too much fuss over custom fitting !I was taught golf by JOSE MARIA OLAZABALgolf instructor at THE REAL GOLF CLUB OF SAN SEBASTIAN ,back in the 70’s /80’s .there was nô such service as club fitting at That Time .I never ever had any club fitting in my golf Life ( I’m now over 80 years of AGE ) and I Still play three Times a week to a handicap of 7 .
      I don’t say club fitting is useless ,I just say it’s overhyped and oversold .
      Allmy clubs were bought off THE shelf ,but I also don’t play Mr Anybody ‘s clubs : mine are 4 Star HONMA BERES woods and irons ,they are MADE and assembled in JAPAN ,with JAPANESE quality ,not crap MADE IN CHINA ,ASSEMBLED IN THE USA ,as all THE big names ,Even PING and TITLEIST sell.
      Do you Even know THE manufacturing cost of this crap MADE IN CHINA ?And what about THE huge Gross Margins MADE by those ” BIG NAMES ”
      now ,THE initial golf club reseller IN this blog is sensible ,WELL documented ,and you could say as much for many other PRODUCTS ,as automobiles !
      What counts IN any product is IN which factory it’s MADE ,IN what Country is this factory located (CHINA,GERMANY ,JAPAN ,USA ,VIETNAM ,MALAYSIA ).
      THE skills of THE workers and THE quality Contrôl are all which counts first .
      THE distribution channels are an issue which has nothing to do with THE quality and THE performance of THE product .

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      gus

      10 years ago

      Endo (Japan) does 90% of the world’s iron forging and even they also outsourced its metal forging operations to China and Thailand, albeit under Japanese ownership but with local staff.

      Quality has nothing to do with where it’s made, it’s how much Quality Control the OEM’s are willing to pay and tolerance they’ve set. If Taylormade said it’s okay to have a +/- 2* degree tolerance on driver lofts then you think the factory is going to pull that product off the line?

      Honma is assembled in Japan, but forged in China/Thailand. Sorry to burst your bubble!

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      Regis

      10 years ago

      Whoa Gus- Don’t let facts interfere with a man’s opinion. Many posters believe that their preferred sticks are elite, quality, and everybody else’s are crap, junk, Made in China subject to loft variances (Newsflash-They all are). Let the hacks buy at Golfsmith or Golf Galaxy. Mine were “custom fitted” . Ahhh Yeah and the end product-Did you get stock heads and shafts? Fitter test the delivered club for compliance? Thought not. Keep Livin the dream.

      Joe consumer is a know it all

      10 years ago

      This is a good article and this guy is way nicer than he could be. The truth is 90% of people that you try to deal with in a golf shop are wanna be know it all jerks. If the person in the store tries to help them they simply ignore the worker, if they try to lay back and be low pressure the customer says they didn’t help. All the consumer knows is what they read in a golf digest article or a blog. When a golf shop tries to fit someone it takes twice as long as it should because the consumer wants to have everything explained in detail when they don’t understand it anyways. Something that should only take 30 mins takes 2 hours and meanwhile other people don’t get service because of it. If you get a new transmission put into your car do you make the poor mechanic explain step by step how he does it?

      Get real people this guy is simply giving you an inside look at how a golf business works and comments are all change your model, don’t buy the product. Guess what happens if he doesn’t bring in the Taylor made or Callaway? Most of the posters here walk in and ask for it because they know the store does not have it.

      Keep buying online and believing its a buyers market while all the good stores close. Then you can get your own stuff warrantied, keep buying shoes and sending them back until they fit right. You think your trade ins are worth nothing now? Wait till all the stores close and see what they are worth. I am sure a bunch of know it alls will say their krap but in the end they will be the ones that get screwed. Karma is real and its coming for you guys. Hahaha

      Many props to the author of this article for speaking some truth!

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      Robeli

      10 years ago

      “When a golf shop tries to fit someone it takes twice as long as it should because the consumer wants to have everything explained in detail when they don’t understand it anyways.”
      That may be you, but not me (and other consumers). If I am spending $1,000+ on a new fitted set, I want to know what I am paying for and how I can get the best out of it next time on the golf course.
      If I am a race driver, for sure I will want to know the detail about that transmission the mechanic is putting in because I have to rely on it working great in the next race.
      If I am just getting new transmission for my daily commute vehicle, I don’t care about the specs. To compare, if I am not that serious about my golf and only play 1-2 times a month, why will I spend all that time and money to be fitted – see my point?
      Bottom line – golf consumers so diverse, it is not easy to satisfy everyone.
      The underlying problem of the current situation is all those ‘Tigermania golfers’ who took up golf in year 2000+, pumping in all their money, setting new expectations for manufacturers and retailers, they are now saying goodbye to the sport, leaving us core golfers with the mess.

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      Mark

      10 years ago

      But assuming we accept your premise, why are they leaving the sport? That is the real problem here for the writer and the industry. Less demand for product. Apple had no problems selling out all their new iphones in one day and have a wait list. There is no shortage of any product by any brand at my neighborhood golf retailers. There is a need by the golf industry to get the youngsters more involved. Otherwise as the population ages, there will be less and less players, leaving less and less golf courses and eq choices.

      RON

      10 years ago

      Bob I agree most companies specs are not what they should be , I ordered a set of Titleist irons 4 yrs ago and them when they order em to make sure the specs were right and the length , well I went back in Edwinn Watts to get them few weeks later, brought my old club in there to measure to see its the same length as mine and sure as shit the new Titleist was a quarter inch too short , now I know its not going to make that much difference but I dont need that to wear on me mentally plus I was pissed it wasnt the length I ordered so I JUST LEFT EM THERE AND WALKED OUT, thank god I didnt leave any down payments before I ordered em, so I know yr right when it comes to not getting what you order a lot which is just wrong for that kind of money. But back to what we were talking abt I know you need the right shaft flex length and weight but the average golfer should know that already without being told unless he was a beginner but all that other stuff is not necessary there not going on tour .

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      Robeli

      10 years ago

      Ron,
      Agree with you. Know of friends with similar cases. I feel fitting is over blown. Don’t tell me a 20 handicapper need to be fitted to be play better. He need lessons to play better and fix what is wrong. Fitting is for the 5 h/capper needing all the help to go to scratch and stay at scratch as they already have a solid swing and stroke. Fitting for high h/capper is just part of the hype to milk the customer. The only thing I do feel everybody should be fitted for is lie angle. That is the only thing I could not fix myself.

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      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      Some companies include the grip cap – the part of the grip past the end of the shaft – as part of the measured length and some don’t. For example, Mizuno includes the grip cap in the measurement. Apparently Titleist does that too. That probably explains the 1/4 inch differtence.
      It is weird that there is that inconsistency on such a basic spec at this point in the industry. I have never included the grip cap as part of the length measurement.

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      RON

      10 years ago

      Todd I know people personally and read abt people who went through those 100 dollar fittings and they still suck. Thats why theres more golfers not playing anymore than before because they cant play this hard game and Im sure plenty of them went through these fittings to try and improve but they dont. How did all the other top players from 70s 80s and 90s get so good, and they had balata balls and persimmon woods which were very uncontrollable and still played consistantly great. I had this done 4 yrs ago and after a month I went back to my other clubs that were not perfectly fitted and play so much better with them. THAT SHOULD TELL YOU EVERYTHING. but if it makes you money then great nothing wrong with that.

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      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      Most clubfitters will make free adjustments to clubs they have sold in order to have a satisfied customer. The better ones will make a couple of test clubs – shorter and longer iron – so you can make sure they work before he makes the whole set. Apparently the guy you went to didn’t do that.

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      Robeli

      10 years ago

      True, but why in the first place did the ‘bad’ player went to the fitter. Because somebody told him to get fitted clubs to play better! Now if his new clubs is not playing well, how the hell is he going to know some of the specs are off and need adjustment? Remember, the 20 h/capper may not know the science of the golf swing like you or I.

      Garreth

      8 years ago

      Heck of a lot easier to improve if your clubs are the right loft & lie angle, right shaft flex & weight, right shaft length for your height, right grip size. Get these basics right & you’ll get the most bang for your buck from lessons.
      You ever tried to play with a shaft that is too stiff or too weak for your swing characteristics? You’ll end up correcting by aiming right or left of target to correct. Now you’re in a world of pain & will stay 20 hcp for a long time

      Todd Tschantz

      10 years ago

      RON
      Launch Monitors are only a part of a proper fitting. I would gladly spend time (at no charge) with you and show you the importance of the data. But most of all, to prove this in not “ticky tack crap”.
      You can change launch direction with just a change in lie angle. You can change launch angle by changing the shaft. Lie angle changes just by adding length to the club. Sure there are those that do not know what they are looking at in regards to the data, and hitting into a net doesn’t show you anything about what this does to ball flight. I take great pride in my work and stand behind my fittings. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Play well and enjoy the best game there is.

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      RON

      10 years ago

      Todd T I think yr just one of those fitters looking to make money off people with yr machine fittings with all this ticky tack crap that you think will make huge differences especially not to the averrage golfer, I played with clubs with the lie angle was different from mine and I played the same with those than mine, this stuff is so ticky tack, yes lie angle right shaft flex is important most of the other crap is nonsence, I played with so many different speced clubs at same time and I still played good and hit same amout of greens with each one within 4 days of playing. I will admit that playing with a club that is way too heavy or light will make a difference the average person will notice, but all that other stuff besides lie angle and shaft flex you mentioned is grasping for strawa and is utter nonsense.

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      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      Ron – It is true some club spec changes will affect a golfer’s ability to hit good shots more than other spec changes will. Lie, overall weight / swingweight, club lengths, shaft flex and flex location will affect shots more than a slight grip size change for example or a slightly different head shape – even cavity vs. blade. However, the more important aspect of club fitting is that the clubs in the set you purchase need to be consistent in specs. There is such pressure to manufacture lots of clubs on a regular basis (for more profit) that the quality control of major manufacturers (and probably minor ones too) is not what it should be. By comparison, not only will a custom clubfitter figure out the best specs for you, he will make sure each club and shaft in the set he sells you fits those specs so that each club is consistent with the rest of the clubs in your set. That is EXTREMELY important. Hitting consistent shots is difficult when club specs vary within a set. I have see a major manufacturer’s set that didn’t even have consistent half inch length variations between each iron. The customer said they came that way.
      Shafts are notoriously inconsistent in flex as well. A clubfitter will test them to make sure he trims them so they have consistent flex.
      For somebody with unusual physical characteristics, they can’t get off the rack clubs that fit. Underlength, overlength, big grips for big hands, extra stiff for a strong guy, extra soft flex for a senior, etc, etc.
      Most people don’t know if they are outside the norm that off the rack clubs are fitted to.

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      Freddy

      10 years ago

      Well, anyone who only listens to one news source let alone a Fox guy has no credibility.

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      Danny

      10 years ago

      Golf companies are going to sell more and more direct to consumer. Why? They make more margin and they can sell the older equipment that the retailers sent back. I might be wrong but didn’t the SLDR driver come out 17 months ago? This article is good, but there are many flaws. First, if he is swaying customers towards the 3 vendors that have longer product cycles like he states, I would never ever buy from him. I want the best product for me, don’t care how long it might be out. Most retailers tie up their money on golf companies that don’t sell (Nike, Cleveland, Cobra to some point). They just are not smart business people. TaylorMade (Adams), Callaway, Titleist and Ping are the golf industry like it or not, everything else can go away as far as hard goods go. Longer life cycles have to happen, no doubt, but the golf business dimise is not going to happen. Parents need to get their kids involved with the game to help it grow and golf courses need to take some responsibility on the pace of play.

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      Brandon J

      10 years ago

      This is a great article, even if it is written in the tone of the condescending, arrogant retailer.

      What the author didn’t mention, is that his points are valid, yet the market has changed, he hasn’t evolved and he obviously doesn’t understand his target audience. What percentage of your sales are custom fitted, $800 sets of clubs? Those three retailers you mentioned, which I’m assuming are Ping, Titliest and perhaps Adams, are also putting out new clubs each year, with new “technology” and marketing behind them.

      Why did the R11 sell through the roof? Because they made 4 models in 6 months, and had a distinct white head that every weekend hacker could identify with on TV. Let’s get to the point…your customers are uneducated on WHY they SHOULD NOT buy a R11, not why they should. They see it on TV, marketed to hell and think if Dustin Johnson hits it so far, I will too.

      Wrong…he will hit any club you give him. So why are you not hosting demo days with free club fittings on new clubs, and $50 on old sets? There you have a point of contact with your customer, and get the time and INTEREST of your customer. If you did that, id show up, and I’m your target audience. But when you refer to your customer as dumbasses and amatuers in the same breath, it reinforces the point that you do not understand your target audience. There is no in between Golfers in terms of understanding equipment, either you get it or you don’t. So you don’t want to invest in the online market place, given the intense competition. I don’t blame you…but have you made a concerted
      effort to build an online presence that doesn’t sell clubs, but rather markets to your audience? You are stuck in time, and as a golf purist, I get it, but you are complaining about a problem that you have allowed to pass you by, and sat back idly without coming up with a digital marketing strategy. How bout videoing a recent fitting? Writing an article about new technology? Creating a database of customers who do buy custom, and segregate them from all the “dumbasses”. That way you can actually come up with marketing strategies that fit each segment of your customer base.

      I’ll say this…you sound like the guy who I want to get my clubs from, but you have not invested your marketing money in the correct place. As much as you push away from the digital market, you decrease your customer acquisition by (3x).

      What you need is a tech-savvy, golf nut marketing director who can develop an audience that fits your business model. My background would match that perfectly, and I have helped grow companies in other industries that are facing the same problem.

      That is why I identify with your problem, and the harsh reality is that online retailers know their audience and sell in large volume. Yes it’s easier for them, but you have a huge advantage in what you mentioned with respect to fittings, because equipment Is a personal thing, and different for each golfer,

      Invest in an educational online presence and I guarantee your business will grow. Your lacking in the innovative marketing strategy area and it shows.

      Just my two cents..

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      Andy W

      10 years ago

      Demo days and fittings, all nice but IMO, of no significance to OEMs or the majority of golfers. I agree, R11 sells thru because the Pros exposed the heck out of it on TV.. Yet, rather than assume golfers are sheep, how about we assume the vast majority of golfers prefer to let the Touring Pro do our vetting. If a club is good enough for Tour Pros to use, and trust has been earned, then without the desire to weed thru the gazillion choices, golfers will just use what the Pros use. Why not? I do that in other life choices as well. Each weekday I let Bill O’Reilly weed thru the news and present what I need to know because trust has been earned.

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      dalton Mccrary

      10 years ago

      Don’t forget golfers if you did not already realize this. The club manufacturers make several different models of the same head design. Meaning the “Tour Head” the pros play, you can’t purchase. When you see the Tour players hitting shots and touting what they hit on TV that’s a marketing responsibility for the endorsement. But the Tour Heads that are on their clubs, golfers, no you can’t buy them don’t think that you can. The tour heads are for the Tour ONLY. Then they have a Custom Fit Heads and then they have the Rack Heads. You can’t tell the difference in looking at them. But to walk into a PGA Super Store and see a rack with 100 Sliders right next to a rack of 100 new 2014 Nike drivers next to a rack of 100 new Big Bertha drivers and think those head are the same heads they mass produce Rack Drivers with? Golfers, no they are not. The Big 5 Club Manufacturers, Titleist, Ping, Callaway, Nike, Taylor Made (Adams Golf). None of them put the Tour Heads on their mass produced RACK GOLF CLUBS. The Tour Heads are just for the Tour Players PERIOD. Your next thought will be, ” Is there a difference in what the Tour Heads are and what the Rack Club Head are? You damn Skippy. Truth in advertising and the golf industry should not be put in the same sentence ever. They take the term ” MARKETING FUDGING” to a whole new level called ” Marketing Lying”. It’s all Marketing Hype. With the average Tour club head speed at 117 MPH the Tour Heads are designed to react to that head speed. With 90% of weekend golfers having a club head speed of less that 95 MPH they sure don’t need a that responds to a 117 MPH swing speed. It won’t react the same way so why would they put that head on the club. Same with the shafts, the shafts the pros swing that reacts to 117 to 120 MPH will not react to a golfer who’s swing speed is 95 MPH so they won’t put that shaft in RACK CLUS either. The only think you have that the pros have the is the same name on them, nothing else. You don’t even get the same head covers.

      Andy W

      10 years ago

      Respectively, have issues with your analysis.. And I am not a TM fan, so find it ironic that I am taking their side. So hey, TM, join in here for Christsakes!!

      In my group of 50 players, I play golf with at least a dozen guys that can swing 117 mph.. So what are you saying? TM has different driver clubheads for Pros that can swing 117 than amateurs that can swing 117? Makes zero sense.

      So a driver that rebounds the ball for maximum distance at 117 mph, means nothing to me, since I swing at 98 mph, Thinking the COR limitation by USGA sets everything equal…. So where does that leave us? Justin hits the TM, and I and a gazillion golfers aspire to be Justin. I buy into my dream…well, that is life, yet, I see in no way my golf game suffers…

      Mark

      10 years ago

      Rory received a contract from Nike to use their clubs. Does that mean that the set he is using is the best or even fits your game? He probably could win with a knock off set adjusted to his swing. A couple of years ago, my friend worked a local pro tournament and he being a TM fanboy remarked that he found that most touring pros at that tournament were using TM and that confirmed to him why his TM clubs were the best. It never occurred to him that tour players, particularly top players, might just be receiving sponsorships from the OEMs to sport their brands. He only saw what he wanted to see. I played with some seniors while on vacation in NC a few years back and with the limited funds they had, they could only afford an online only brand that I never even heard of and they played extremely well with them.

      GiGi

      10 years ago

      I buy my clubs off either my club pro or Carls’s Golfland in Bloomfield Hills, MI
      I think that Carl’s is the epitome of how a relatively high volume golf shop should run. I found them when a friend told me to try clubs there then buy them at a golf show or online. After the experience with Carl’s there is no way I could have bought clubs somewhere else in good conscience or have gotten the same fitting experience.
      The last time I bought a driver there the guy in front of me with the fitter was trying to “add 10 yards” to his existing driver. The fitter tried several things but in the end she told him to go home with the same club he came with, which she had fitted him with a couple of years before saying the difference would not be worth it.

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      Beak

      10 years ago

      There’s a reason that $400 driver is now $249.99 6 months later – IT’S NO GOOD. Really- that statement could not be more incorrect. I buy a new driver about every 4 years. My last driver was purchased from Dick’s for a third of the price when it was new a year ago. And it is awesome! I didn’t need to go to a fitting session because I fiddled with the adjustment features until the shot shape and height were perfect. It’s not rocket science. I feel for the industry, but wouldn’t it work better for the retailers if they showed up to the merchandise show and told the golf companies to design a $100 driver that could be sold for $200, thereby improving sell through, margins and profits. The retailers lack unity. Someone needs to get the independents to just say no. There are more of you than there are of them. Organize and win. Start local and go global. BTW, I used to work at a golf course and they were mangled by the same issues in the article. Include those pros, they really want to sell service as well.

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      HAD

      10 years ago

      Too bad this was anonymous. I’d like to support this author and his business!

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      Bluch

      10 years ago

      totally agree !!!

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      Paul

      10 years ago

      Mark, The margin doesn’t matter if the inventory doesn’t turn. Bad business plan. I’ve spent 28 years in the golf industry and I’ve seen many retail shops get buried with inventory. Inventory turns are what’s important, ask Target and Walmart!

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      Retired04

      10 years ago

      All great reading! My questions-I am curious:
      Why:-is a driver $400-are irons $100+ each-what is the cost of a finished driver or iron head (materials/manufacturing cost/shipping only) delivered to a manufacturer-how much do R&D
      expenses add to the cost-how much do endorsement contracts add to the cost (think Tiger/Rory millions and the 1000s of “staff” players/endorsers worldwide)-what is the marketing cost

      Why are some putters 300-$400

      Better yet-why are golf balls $45-$50 a dz (the box and sleeves for original Top Flites cost more than the 12 balls inside them)

      We pay for all of it.

      Would love to hear from insiders.

      A big part of the answer is because we have been willing to pay

      My background goes back to late 50s early 60s-remember Gary Player and the Shakespear fiberglass shafts? Late 70s the cost of a cast iron head was about $7.50 from the CA casting house where you could see heads from about 60% of the then companies-yep, same casting house.

      Have used club fitting at demo days from various manufactures-interesting how several are similar (and it is FREE)-after at least 4 ping fittings over the years still the same orange color code

      4 suggestions-1. Do you know where the iron face (not the leading edge) is actually aimed-get all lined up to hit a shot, then have your buddy put the head of a golf tee on the FACE and see where it is aimed-for most it will be and eye opening experience;

      2. Lie angle on irons is the critical info-ex. toe up you are aimed even further left-sole your iron flat, use tee as above, raise the toe up and see what happens to the aim of the tee:

      3. Driver shaft-compare shaft fitting sites and get a good ball park idea BUT, get real about the distance you really hit it-you hit it 230, but you just hit your tee shot on the 350 yd hole to the 150 mark-you really hit it 200 (I was appalled when Pings site told me I should be using a soft reg shaft, tried it vs my reg and hit it 12-16 yds farther):

      4. GET FITTED FOR YOUR PUTTER-it accounts for the most strokes by far. Know where you are really aimed-what you lie angle specs are so the sole is flat (toe up? Face not aimed where the line is)-where your eyes should be to aim where you want to.

      And remember-added distance thru flexing the club face is for those with higher swing speeds

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      Jerry

      10 years ago

      Funny how blogs can explode. Great topic. We all have our own anecdotal stories to tell. After college golf I tried to become a top amateur realizing I’d never become a pro. I had a scratch handicap but had swing issues that always kept me from winning. I tried professional help but in those days (40 years ago) it was all eyeball with no TrackMan or launch monitors. The first Pro was a well respected older teacher of some acclaim who tried to completely rebuild my swing. I never made it past the first lesson. In fact I walked off early telling him I only wanted his input not an enema. I next tried another Pro and worked with him for some length of time. Over the years I began to study swing theory and found ways to work out my problems. My point tho is that most golfers will unfortunately try to fix swing problems with clubs. The classic one is buying a driver with a closed face to correct a slice. In a perfect world a club fitter will set you up square to target with a square club face, proper lie, and a shaft flex right for your swing speed. Loft will be something a launch monitor can help with getting a good launch angle. As your game evolves you will become more conscious of spin rates and how important they are. Last week I played a track I hadn’t been on in 15 years and I was amazed where my drives wound up. I was hitting fairly close to places I reached when my swing speed was easily 10 MPH faster. How could this be I asked? It has to be low spin balls and low spin more flex clubfaces and better shafts. 15 years ago I played a lower ball with more hook spin. The energy it took to spin a ball an extra 500 or so revs consumed distance. Pretty amazing.

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      David

      10 years ago

      I think you speak on behalf of all golf retailers be it off course and on course, we have to find a direction in our own businesses and stick to it, I made a conscious decision to spend more time in clothing and consumerable items as I could see selling clubs were getting me nowhere fast and getting worse by the year. You should be congratulated and supported for voicing your opinion.

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      Paul

      10 years ago

      Great read, thank you for the insight…
      Let the fight begin…again online V retail…if you play golf you should know how on earth can you buy without trying..you test drive a car…I hope?
      Same with your golf equipment, it goes without saying.
      Unfortunately its the world we live in now, go on the net and get it cheaper, then when it fails or you don’t like what you have purchased send it back…I have just played two rounds while you are still waiting for your club/s to be delivered!
      Happy golfing Boys!

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      Johan

      10 years ago

      Excellent article/letter! Fully agree with all statements and suggestions made.
      The same could be true for golf shops in South Africa.

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      RON

      10 years ago

      Your kidding me they said TM is now comming out with another new wood line, if they were smart they shouldnt come out with a new driver and 3 wood until fall of 2015 they would get more respect from me then. Dont people realize that your over paying 400 bucks fr just the head, thats really all yr paying for with TM cuzz their shafts arnt worth more than 15 bucks, 400 for just a driver club head lol, what a con job at the worst, I cant beleive people that dum are smart enough to be able to earn this kind of money to throw it on a driver. rolling my eyes.

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      TheHacker

      10 years ago

      I think the current shake up in the industry is in a way good, in that it will separate the good ones from the bad ones.

      I used to hate golf fitting, and I used to view golf retailers with a certain distain. Talking to some of these “pros” used to annoy me because they talk like they know it all and they are really budding PGA pros in disguise. One or two even went as far as critique my swing and suggesting changes, resulting me leaving the shop even more messed up.

      But my recent SLDR fitting changed all that. I initially wanted to try it and told myself if it didn’t work out, I at least have an excuse for not buying anyway. My fitter did not try to change me, and chose instead to focus on positive aspects of my swing. He wisely found a heavier shaft which I could feel and somehow that was the ticket that gave me an extra 20 yards conservatively.

      When I collected my driver after some long wait for TM to ship the club, I asked him to fit me for a good 3 wood. Instead he told me to go back to him in a few months because TM is expected to release something new, so the SLDR woods would be selling for a much better price.

      This guy has just earned himself a big fan in me.

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      Robeli

      10 years ago

      “A fitter shouldn’t fit clubs to a bad swing.”
      Agree 100%. But how will a 15 or 20 handicapper know when a fitter is good or not? And all my buddies playing as 20+ handicappers have serious flaws in their swings which I have long time given up to help fix. For each ‘good’ story of somebody got fitted and are happy, you hear 2 for whom the fitting was just a waist of money.

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      Todd T

      10 years ago

      Golf Digest has done the work for you. Check the fitter hot list.

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      Harrison

      10 years ago

      I am very thankful this article was written by someone as knowledgeable as this author. It is good for the public to get the kind and quality of the information presented. Do I like paying tons of money for anything? Of course not! But I appreciate seeing the business owners point of view. It is CRITICAL that we support our local brick & mortar businesses! Being an owner myself, I know how vital this is. I have purchased a driver on eBay and I knew when I got it that it was fake. I have purchased iron sets on eBay or other online sites and been very happy with those purchases. But my last several drivers and iron sets have been purchased in local stores. I will continue to do so because I know what I am getting from them, not always the case online. I hope others realize where this local businessman is coming from and he is not chastised for his knowledge, not his opinions. I know a local franchised golf shop owner that would get coupons in the paper or mail from Dick’s or online or whatever, and would then go to Dick’s to buy 100 dozen or so ProV1’s using that coupon because they sold them for cheaper than they could purchase them from the vendor! So for them, using that coupon and getting $5-10 dollars off per dozen was HUGE! The internet is wonderful. But local business is what we as consumers NEED to succeed.

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      RON

      10 years ago

      These fittings are a joke and a half, how the hell can yr swing get fit when it changes from day to day then you want to or need to change something in your swing a few weeks or mos down the road and then yr 100 dollar fitting is now useless, FIT YOURSELF THROUGH TRIAL AND ERROR , fitting only helps top ams and pros because their swings dont change as much. People in here think these 100 dollar machine fitting is going to make them play more consistant and better , Well you know what save yr money for range balls and stop dreaming.

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      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      Same answer as above:
      Swing variability is where the fitter’s golf teaching skill comes in. He isn’t primarily a teacher, but should know enough to help his customer fix any obvious set up or swing issues causing inconsistency. That makes the fitting easier and more likely to be permanently helpful. A fitter shouldn’t fit clubs to a bad swing. The clubs wouldn’t work well as the golfer’s swing keeps improving.

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      Todd T

      10 years ago

      Sorry Ron, I couldn’t disagree more. Trial and ERROR? pretty expensive way to find the right driver, I’d say. The only standard in golf is there is no standard. What is stiff to one manufacturer is not stiff to another. That alone will make picking a driver that is right for you a difficult proposition. Now add to that launch angle, spin rate, and landing angles are going to be a factor too and well, forget trial and error. Get fit where some one has invested in proper fitting process (preferably where you can watch ball flight) and you will get the “best opportunity” to hit a good shot.

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      Peter

      10 years ago

      Sinply one of the best articles I have read in years – now it’s your turn consumers

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      Robeli

      10 years ago

      I think what this author needs is a good accountant. He needs to get detail sales info on all his stuff. Does he know what the total sales and NETT profit of each item is? Each manufacturer? For each Driver, Hybrids, etc. group? If he has that info, he can promote and work more with the higher profit items and cut the losses. That’s how he will improve his business model and in the long run, even if he has to say NO to TM of Callaway, will improve the golfing industry because TM and Callaway will slowly getting the message if retailers cut them from the shelves.

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      Krishna

      10 years ago

      Thank you so much for writing this. I am writing from Bangalore, India. I got into the business of custom fitting and equipment 4 years ago and fortunately identified these very same pitfalls early. Thank god and some very sane friends for their advice not to get into full time retail. This is exactly what is happening in India currently.

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      Robert K

      10 years ago

      You head the nail right on the head with this article. Let me say just one thing . We all know who i the worst two companies of the golf industry are. ” Callaway and Taylormade “. Now I’m not saying they don’t make good equipment because they make great equipment but thats not the problem. Callaway and Taylormade both have gone into the ring fists flying to see who can produce for example the most drivers in a year. I mean my head is spinning when you think of all the choices you have from Callaway and Taylormade in the last year or 2 . Callaway Optiforce 440 and 460, Callaway Xhot , Pro and Deep Callaway X2hot , Pro and Deep, 2 sizes for Big Bertha drivers, then 2 more sizes for even Newer Big Bertha V series drivers. Taylormade with like it seems a dozen different SLDR drivers , and woods . Give us a break its getting insane . Its not about who is the fastest to put out new equipment, its about who can put out the best equipment once a year like Titleist, Ping, Nike and Cobra do. Wake up people before its too late.

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      chris

      10 years ago

      As a former Pro Golf owner, im betting thats the franchise. It was the worst money i ever lost in my life

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      steve

      10 years ago

      Another thing was never been given as much a demo driver in eight years selling equipment.mean pricks but have found the JAPANESE equipment to be far superior.JUST IMPORT FROM JAPAN NOW.heads dont fall apart after 2 yrs.

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      steve

      10 years ago

      basically people are too soft looking back on shops I used to work at.There was absolutely no way to run a business with the margins.I wouldn`t talk to the company reps till they have decent margin.just need everyone in the industry to stand up to lowlifes running these brands.people put their houses on the line to run a small business.CEOS bank millions themselves & risk nothing.

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      BOB

      10 years ago

      VERY WELL WORDED ARTICLE, HITS RIGHT AT THE PROBLEM. I AGREE WITH THE PERSON THAT STATED TAYLORMADE IS THE MAIN CULPRIT. BUY ONE OF THEIR DRIVERS AND 3 MONTHS LATER THEY HAVE A NEW IMPROVED DRIVER , THE DRIVER YOU JUST BOUGHT 3 MONTHS AGO IS NOW WORTH HALF WHAT YOU PAID OR LESS.

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      Bluch

      10 years ago

      A well written an well informed article. My response without trying to sound cynical is: Who do you trust? Ghost busters!

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      NHgolfer

      10 years ago

      Great article, thanks for sharing a highly personal perspective! I think you hit it out of the park with the marketing strategy of inviting people back to “tweak things” when needed. This is where you can kill the competition and offer a “tour-like” experience we all dream of as we change our swings from week to week (yes we are morons). SADLY I see the vendors we all dislike going fully direct and not retail at all, sending out demo clubs to “try before you buy” so you get to “fit yourself”. Ping, Titleist, Mizuno, please continue to support the local retailer and offer them pay-per-scan along with buy-back where you then destroy the clubs so they don’t end up on ebay etc…We will then be starving that beast which is destroying the industry.

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      Chris

      10 years ago

      Pauly-
      try to hit a long iron with the toe pointing up. Get a clue.lie adjustment is the most important factor in club fitting.your hands don’t get any bigger or smaller and generally your club speed doesn’t change much. But your swing plane might.

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      Chris

      10 years ago

      I promise you this much, the two or three club vendors you like does not include Tour Edge. They try every trick in the book to keep whatever customer base they have left. Better yet, they sell directly to the consumer through an unadvertised website run by the company. There is a reason why they don’t show up on radar anymore hardly. Bad company mgmt across the board. When is the last time anybody bought a Bazooka? They even tried to upscale the products with “Exotics” and now that quality stinks in my opinion. Don’t take my word for it. Take a look at their market share on any product line and they aren’t even close to where they used to be. Remember I said radar can’t even pick them up.
      Signed—A 1st class, top shelf clubfitter

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      Mark

      10 years ago

      While I understand that you may have overhead, the idea that you keep greater than $100 per each $299 driver sold or $135 per each $400 driver sold is not bad. While there is engineering involved, golf club components are probably for the most part cheaply manufactured in China. I think the downside to a retailer is having to stock golf clubs that seem to become obsolete overnight. Most major manufacturers restrict the use of promotion code discounting, at least to current modes. The question is whether sales volume would ramp up if these clubs sold for much less from the start rather than playing the game of charging a high price at the product’s introduction and slowly discounting it until it hits the bargain bin. I like most was burned the first time around and then learned that the USGA places limits on golf club advances so most clubs are not much different from model to model or year to year and that by season’s end, this year’s latest and greatest model will in all likelihood be steeply discounted. You want more players and sales, make the golf clubs and rounds more affordable. Adding up the cost of my clubs, bag, shoes etc. is quite substantial. Most newbies would not make such a commitment to a game they don’t know they will even like. Most young people would rather invest $400 in a new iPhone or iPad and not into a new driver.

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      Paul

      10 years ago

      I agree with Adam, no one is forcing you spend 100k to gain 4% on the margin to then get hung with extra product thus hammering your margin. Longer product life cycles are the answer. Deal with reputable, consistent companies who have a narrow distribution philosophy and a quality product!

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      Mark

      10 years ago

      Easier said then done. Would you shop at a clothing store that only sold one brand of shirt? There are those who would buy let say only at LL Bean but there are those who like to see several brands on display. While I may not typically buy certain golf brands, I would like to see what offerings they have and then make a decision.

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      Jerry

      10 years ago

      Not to argue but if I’m on a sophisticated launch monitor giving me launch angles, distance, swing speed, spin rate and further I can see shot dispersion I pretty much have most of what I need. Add to that the the Pro challenged to fit a head and shaft to perform better than my current club couldn’t get me “performing” better. I think the takeaway here is that we have gotten close to “diminished returns”. And it is possible to fit oneself “if” you know what you are doing. My brother was fitted at a HotStix in Tx and he got more than his money’s worth. I don’t disparage club fitters. I know several and have gone through a few fittings. I know my swing and have access to FlightScope and other proprietary machines. There are factors that are outside even great fitting like “feel” that one club/shaft give over another that can’t be measured on TrackMan. If you hit the ball long enough for your game having another five yds might not be as important as hitting a cut or a draw or a straight ball on demand.

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      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      HotStix is a custom clubfitter.

      Sounds like either you figured out what club specs fit you through trial and error – and knowing what you are doing – (which can be expensive and is beyond the club knowledge of the average golfer) or you are fairly standard in your spec requirements, or both.

      Feel is something the clubfitter should ask you about. I agree it is important.

      Flightscope radar has graphs that show various aspects of shaft behavior from waist level into impact and slightly past. As far as I know Trackman doesn’t have that. Those graphs could explain the feel of your clubs when compared to other clubs.

      Ironically, Trackman is a lot more expensive than Flightscope. Flightscope doesn’t tell its users how to interpret those graphs (yet). I worked for a custom clubmaker who figured them out and is writing a book about it. Flightscope is appreciative of his work. More is forthcoming.

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      Larry Lamb

      10 years ago

      Such winging? Retailers decide what to sell product at. The retauler who wrote this can choose to sell clubs at what he wants but moans about other retailers…that’s a free market econonmy buddy.
      Let’s go back 15 years? Let’s not.

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      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      The author isn’t complaining about there being a free market. He is explaining the problems with the marketing by TaylorMade and Callaway primarily. By the way, if he decides to “sell” clubs at a significantly higher price than others, he won’t sell any. These two manufacturer’s couldn’t do a better job of trying to bankrupt the little golf retailer if they tried. THAT is is the issue. It is short-sighted.

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      David Helter

      10 years ago

      Dear Anonymous,

      I work for a golf company who produces top quality footwear. We make our product in our own factories and control the quality from the leather to the production of the final shoe. Maybe unlike clubs, I can assure you and your readers that there IS a difference in quality between brands. All our competitors outsource the production of their footwear to “the same couple of factories in China.” Their quality is inferior but they spend millions of $$$$$$$ marketing their brands to make the average golfer think they are #1. If the reader wants good product, go to a trusted retail source, get professional fit & serviced and buy quality not just a brand name. If a brand spends millions of dollars on advertising and player endorsements, where do you think the cost come from? They are put into the price of the product.

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      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      I am looking for a long-lasting pair of golf shoes. My old Foot-Joy Classics are almost worn out. What company do you work for?

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      Jerry

      10 years ago

      I keep up with product announcements as much as anyone. I will go to my local Golf Galaxy and bring my driver in to A/B against the latest and greatest. I always challenge the sales reps that if I can hit their new driver further and with tighter dispersion “I’ll buy it”! I tried “lofting up” with the SLDR but was shorter and not as straight. Different shafts didn’t help. At some point a new club will appear that will improve my game. That’s why I bought my current one. Same with irons but irons are more subjective with look and feel adding to buy decision. Balls come down to feel, spin and distance. I trial balls on the golf course when practicing. I’ve found longer balls than what I play that cost much less but sound like rocks and don’t feel right and don’t spin. Nobody wants to spend more than they need to but nobody needs 10 extra yards if those yards are off line or past the stick because they don’t stop.

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      Tahoedirt

      10 years ago

      Just my opinion, but this all started with the Callaway Big Bertha driver- it was so hot you couldn’t get one and I know salesmen that were making a lot of money. But now it’s all come crashing down- this equipment is all the same and not worth the money they’re asking for it- ITS OVER

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      Vic

      10 years ago

      I can certainly appreciate the author’s article albeit with a grain of salt. I’m finishing out 20+ years in the automotive/fleet business and boy what changes I’ve seen. Constant sales, internet pricing, invoice pricing you name it. Just try and hold MSRP on a new auto or truck and watch how fast the consumer takes your price to another dealer who will undercut it for the sale. I’ve had customers drive 50+ plus miles to “save” 50 bucks only to see them in my store for service because it’s convenient for them to use us. As to all the comments about how the industry is killing itself from some folks here I wonder if they bought their autos from the ‘cheapest’ dealer or got a better price on line and bought there. Did they pay full commission with the real estate company or go with the lower commission when they bought their homes? It’s all the same thing folks. I can tell you this as a ‘senior’ now with the usual aliments and loss of movement, I’ve been through numerous clubs in three years trying to find a mix that will keep me on the courses. I went to Golf Galaxy and was hit on 6 times just trying to look around. Golfsmith was better but the ‘sales reps’ looked like they just got out of high school and pretty much reflected that in their knowledge. Dick’s was a joke with most of their clubs alike and in stiff flex. Golf stores are looking more like Harley shops with a few bikes and racks of clothes and trinkets.
      As for the comments of buying on line that’s mostly garbage if you know anything about clubs you shouldn’t get stung. I do it all the time and have upgraded my clubs and now have a decent bag that I couldn’t afford if I bought at box stores and local shops. Just bought a X Hot driver from Callaway with the certification and playability warranty in “like new” condition. It arrived yesterday and when I unpacked it I was happy to see it was still in plastic with head cover and adjustment tool brand new! I got it for $76. and ten bucks shipping. I was lucky on that buy as it ‘fit’ my current specs and couldn’t have bought a used one for that anywhere I’ve looked. Consequently I am selling two Adams Speedline clubs, fairway and a hybrid in very good condition I bought in spring to a company in Cal. who pays the highest for used clubs and getting $58. for both and I’m shipping them too.
      Bottom line is, these high end clubs drop off in value worse than a used auto trade in and we are forced to ‘live with it’ and adjust to the market or get out. I have to study and test more, follow up and compete for almost every sale mostly on price or I’ll lose out. Golf’s ‘golden age’ of a well heeled man’s sport is over and so be it. For if golf is to survive it has to be a game for the masses to enjoy and afford or we might as well sit around and watch soccer.

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      ChrisK

      10 years ago

      Just throwing this out there: this sort of business practice (where the vendors are going direct to the customers) seems to be going on across a variety of sectors. I hate to see anyone lose a job or a business, but what would the downside be to the consumer if there wasn’t a middle-man? On the plus side, It seems to me the consumer might see an immediate 25% drop in price on a whole variety of items immediately, if this was the standard business practice for everyone. I understand the middle-man takes the headache of dealing with the public away from the vendors, but if the vendors want that action, i don’t see how it hurts the customers. These maverick vendors, would, however, need to be on the stick on their customer-service side because nothing wrecks a company quicker than poor customer service.

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      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      Buying clubs without getting fitted by a SKILLED clubfitter almost guarantees you will have clubs that don’t perform as well as they could, or actually hinder your swing. You can’t get fitted online or fitted well at a big box store. A few club pros, but not many, can do fitting well. Independent clubfitters are the way to get a set that will help you score better.

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      Regis

      10 years ago

      From a personal perspective I agree with you. But from my personal experience even avid golfers can’t be persuaded to get fit. Part of the issue , at least with drivers, is that the swing that the golfer has during the fitting (even the most SKILLED fitter) is unlikely to be the swing that continues through the season, let alone week to week.

      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      HotStix is a custom clubfitter.

      Sounds like either you figured out what club specs fit you through trial and error – and knowing what you are doing – (which can be expensive and is beyond the club knowledge of the average golfer) or you are fairly standard in your spec requirements, or both.

      Feel is something the clubfitter should ask you about. I agree it is important.

      Flightscope radar has graphs that show various aspects of shaft behavior from waist level into impact and slightly past. As far as I know Trackman doesn’t have that. Those graphs could explain the feel of your clubs when compared to other clubs.

      Ironically, Trackman is a lot more expensive than Flightscope. Flightscope doesn’t tell its users how to interpret those graphs (yet). I worked for a custom clubmaker who figured them out and is writing a book about it. Flightscope is appreciative of his work. More is forthcoming.

      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      This reply went in the wrong place. I hit your reply link before send this reply to somebody else. Oops!

      Swing variability is where the fitter’s golf teaching skill comes in. He isn’t primarily a teacher, but should know enough to help his customer fix any obvious set up or swing issues causing inconsistency. That makes the fitting easier and more likely to be permanently helpful. A fitter shouldn’t fit clubs to a bad swing. The clubs wouldn’t work well as the golfer’s swing keeps improving.

      DDD

      10 years ago

      Bam! Nailed it!

      The writer’s angst for the big box store is the same kind of angst the green grass shops have with any off course retailer. Most green grass shops can’t afford the volume so we never see those kinds of terms. We are even lower on the food chain than the author. This world has very little loyalty any more. Consumers tend to be loyal to the lowest price and are willing all to often to shop on price alone. Sad but true. I agree with everything the author says.

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      DB

      10 years ago

      Ordering direct from manufacturer is not going anywhere. It’s probably going to increase.

      Ordering online is not going anywhere.

      I believe the author solved his problem in the article. You don’t want to say “10 bucks to test drivers.” Well… why not?

      What’s wrong with that business? Maybe it’s slightly downsizing, but that’s the current model. Specialize in fitting and game assessment. Charge $50 or whatever for fitting and club testing. Setup a fantastic repair and club-building service. Sure you can sell clubs on the side, but the days of depending on nothing but OTR purchases are clearly dwindling.

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      Regis

      10 years ago

      I have been playing a long ,long time and I have purchased a lot of equipment since I bought my first set of MacGregor MT Tourney irons and woods back in 1964.
      I was a member at a private club for 30 years and most members purchased from the pro shop after they were allowed to demo clubs for a round or two. Either that or they borrowed their buddy’s driver after watching him improve and take their money. Don’t talk to them about getting fitted.
      I have purchased a lot from a local shop, almost always at full retail and I personally have been fitted a number of times with mixed results. I do buy on line and on e-bay but never at Golf Galaxy or Dicks.
      My local shop does provide fitting with a $50 charge credited towards a purchase and he has at least 3 or 4 demo days and fitting days at an outdoor range here on Long Island which is a rare privilege . All brands , even ball fittings. I beg my experienced golfing friends to come (from the private club), even offer to buy them lunch, and they have no interest.
      I do my own club work and I understand how to interpret the specs (at least for my game)
      I religiously read the blogs here and elsewhere and I have learned a lot from the comments about the retail end of the game and I love learning more about it.
      My Conclusions. Stop blaming the state of the game on Taylor Made and to a lesser extent Callaway. I’ve gamed all brands and been fitted for most. Like it or not Taylor Made Woods are a very good product. Most golfers ( I play 2-3 times a week at a Muni now) are not going to be fitted and will buy their clubs on line.
      My local shop does everything they can to bring the horse to water and like you they take pride in getting the right clubs in the golfer’s hands regardless of handicap or ability. They will always be my first choice and I’ll pay full retail, though I probably switch out the grips and maybe the shafts over the course of a season. But in that regard I am a rare bird.

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      Johan Klarin

      10 years ago

      This retailer is doomed. Here’s why: Mark King got promoted. Is it any wonder Callaway’s executives are now following the same playbook? Anyone surprised Mizuno have now started selling direct via their website?

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      Dave C

      10 years ago

      How does the direct to consumer model of online/remote only sales impact the industry, i.e., Hopkins, SCOR Golf, etc.?

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      golfer4life

      10 years ago

      Can’t say there’s one thing in that article I didn’t completely agree with. People don’t realize how thin the margins are in golf retail. I have a Dr. that comes in and thinks he’s entitled to a better price and discount. Last time in I asked him, Doc, I would like to come in for a checkup, but you won’t charge me the same as everyone else right? He just stood there with a blank look on his face.
      I am also more comfortable with some companies than others when selling. If the company doesn’t have enough faith that there product will be any good in six month, I certainly don’t either.
      Thanks for taking the time to write such an informative article.

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      Dan

      10 years ago

      I hope the PGA Superstores aren’t one of the companies he dislikes. I do my buying there because they let you try all the equipment you like and they do a pretty good job of fitting you when you’ve made your decision on what you want to buy. They may not be pro clubfitters but, they do know they’re talking about. I even had a salesman take one of the Ping apps off the shelf and install it on his phone and then set up my putter testing to see if I needed a arc, slight arc or the big arc. That is customer service. I go to the one in Kennesaw, GA and they have never steered me toward a certain brand. They also fix broken clubs, put on new grips, change lie angles on irons (I went upright 1.5* and stopped hitting my shots left after having a one of the guys watch me swing and they did it for free even though I didn’t buy my irons there) right at the store and right in front you most of the time. . I know the PGA store isn’t the best at everything including fitting but, I’m happy with the driver setup and iron adjustments I got and I’m playing better golf. They truly seem to give it their best and see you happy with the results. I never got that feeling at Dick’s which is why I never shopped there. I’ve compared my Cleveland Classic XL Custom (2013) to a lot of the current drivers and see no difference except my numbers are as good as anything on the market this year. You don’t need 3 or 4 drivers come out in less than a year, that’s just crazy. I hope the industry starts to realize this and they should read this excellent article as a start.

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      Craig

      10 years ago

      First off, you made several valid points in this post and I thank you for taking the time to do so. With that being said, i can’t help but question the way you ended this article: “The industry needs to go back to 10-15 years ago”. So instead of evolving and trying to find ways to better the customer experience/product, you want to GO BACK to how things use to be in order to breed success??? I was just surprised you decided to end an excellent article on that note. Wish you could have gone into more detail.

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      Robeli

      10 years ago

      That’s because he got into the golf business 10 years when it was at it’s peak and thought that by now he would have been stinking rich!!!!

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      Tom

      10 years ago

      I had a set of Pings was fit with their color chart. I am short so the clubs were flat. I went to a local store and was fitted for another brand. I found out that due to me swing with the new clubs I needed them to be more up right. I would have never found out if I had not been fitted. It did make a difference.

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      Puma

      10 years ago

      I became aware of the tactics of golf equipment merchandising earlier this year when TM decided to change colors and models to support their “newest and better” merchandising scheme. Callaway started the short life cycle even before TM. SO, how about this. Retailers, stop buying their products, unless the margins cover the losses, and tell the consumer why you will only special order those brands.
      The short term loss of sales will pay dividends in the long run, and believe me, the manufacturers will feel the pain greater, and be motivated to change their “commodity mentality.” I am surprised that TM and Callaway don’t put an expiration date on their stuff!

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      TopPakRat

      10 years ago

      Outstanding article!!! I am also in the retail end of the golf industry and you have nailed it on the head. As far as the BIG 3 there is no doubt it is Titleist, Ping and Mizuno. These three maintain integrity. I might also add that I own a golf repair facility and these 3 by far in relationship to workmanship and the overall quality of the products they produce far exceed any others with Taylor Made being the most poorly constructed. One final note, would you be suprised if I told you that Callaway is a close second to TaylorMade when it comes to repair issues due to poor quality control. Do I sense a pattern here?????

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      fleeter

      10 years ago

      Great article. I have a friend who bought a driver only to have the company come out with a newer better driver 3 or 4 months later, and of course they dropped the price on the one he had paid $400+ for. He was and still is pissed that they did that but what can he do? Nothing. I love golf. I want to play better golf. I would love to get new equipment every time my favorite brands come out with gear but the reality of my situation is I can’t afford it. Golf is a very expensive sport. Between equipment and membership or green fee costs golf is quickly moving in the direction where because of the high costs, the market decreases proportionally. You see this in the numbers – rounds played down, equipment sales down and so on. I can’t count the number of times I’ve heard friends talk about the latest drivers on the market only to say they’d wait until the next model comes out, and the buy the previous at a huge discount. Why not, right? Saving $100-150 on a club is huge – it’s 3 or 4 more rounds if you’re a green-fee’er and a nice chunk out of your membership if that’s your thing. I feel for the retailers and what they go through with some of these vendors, and I don’t think it’s going to change all that soon too.

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      Steve Sammut

      10 years ago

      As a maunfacturers rep in another industry, I can only say that this article hit the nail on the head in every category mentioned. Our group has told many manufacturers that they CANNOT sell direct as it undermines their relationship with the dealer. Dealers have a hard enough time battling each other, let alone throwing the manufacturer into the mix. Because of what I do, I have a strong, strong attraction to brick and mortar…and more so, small brick and mortar. I never shop Dicks because I’d rather give my dollar to the local guy. That local guy won’t be around if I don’t do so and then, I’ll be stuck going into Dicks with questions they can’t answer. My nephew works for Dicks and they put him into the golf department. He couldn’t tell you the difference between a sand wedge, a sandwich and a sand box. Not his fault; he doesn’t play golf, but his managers don’t care about that. I have a set of Taylormade irons, but I will not honor that company any longer. As mentioned above numerous times, you no longer have them than all of a sudden, boom, Taylormade now has the BEST set of irons on the market. And I’m thinking “Hey…I thought I had the best set of irons on the market”…but yeah, that was 4-6 months ago. The manufacturers have to scale back…it is just that simple. And you know what? I’d love to see dealers such as the gentleman who wrote this article, for example, by telling manufacturers “sorry…we aren’t going to take this any longer….goodbye”. Sell those top 3 manufacturers, know you won’t have to make excuses for them when someone comes in after 6 months of using a $400 driver and now wants to know why his isn’t the newest technology on the market. I hope this guy makes it; we need more retailers like him.

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      Interesting

      10 years ago

      This is a great article! My first time commenting on MGS so go easy on me.

      I am not in the golf industry but do sell numerous product lines into large big box retailers. I have been golfing for 40 years, carry a 4.1 index, play Titleist 913 driver, Ping fairway and hybrid, Bridgestone J40 DPC irons. I have a set of Mizuno irons as back up.

      The current golf industry model is the same as the automotive industry. They set the MSRP and the retailer is left with eating into his margin just to compete. Car dealerships are great examples. They do not make their money selling new cars…they make money by selling used cars and the service departments! If you go buy a new $40,000 car they make an average of $1500. You trade your 5 year old car in great shape and they give you $15,000. They will sell that car tomorrow for $20,000! The golf industry has evolved into the same thing because of new models every 6 months and the OEM dictates the new model pricing.

      Everything that I rep into a large retailer is the exact opposite. The buyer tells me what their customer is willing to pay. If my price is not around 50% of that so they can add their costs (distribution, merchandising, returns) of 15% to give them a gross of 35% then I will be rejected, period. Dick’s is out of the golf business because they could not make the numbers work. By the way, I have never bought a club from Dick’s or any other big box. I am loyal to a local golf shop and will by their inventory because they fit me and let me try everything. There is real value in that if you think about the skins and California games I would pay without them.

      As for the OEM’s real cost…I would bet that TM (for example) pays around $40 for a SLDR driver out of China. They have another $100 of R&D, marketing and distribution for a total of $140. They sell it to big box for $225 and guys like the author for around $300. The difference is big box pays FOB China and buys by the container load.

      One last thing…why does Titleist, Ping and Bridgestone have longer life cycles? They make quality product that the weekend warrior can improve with. I seriously doubt that TM has any tour pros playing the same stuff at Dick’s or any other retailer.

      Sorry to be so long winded!

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      Mbwa Kali Sana

      10 years ago

      Nô one personne on this blog ever mentioned THE Quality Contrôl issue with golf clubs ” shipped out of THE USA !
      Nothing is MADE In THE USA :only assembled!
      THE PARTS from CHINA ,VIETNAM ,and God only knows where from .
      When I was a young boy ( I ‘m over 80 now !),people used to say of a very poor quality product That it was a ” CHINESE COPY ” ,meaning junk .
      It’s THE same story today !THE mighty USA doesn’t know to manufacture any more ,except for advanced armement ,Fighter jets ,submarines ,missiles ,aircraft carriers ,bombers,small Arms ,etc,etc.
      I know what I steak of ,I was THE CEO of Major US multinational corporations .I fought against this stupid ” MAKE OR BUY ” policy :but US SHAREHOLDERS are greedy and want more and more profit by THE day ,So they close their manufacturing opérations at home .
      THE expensive clubs you buy online are just shit:I bought from GOLFSMITH the NEW PING G 30 driver : i had already a Bunch of PING CLUBS ,G25 Driver and Woods ,PING KETSCH PUTTER ,etc,etc,
      THE PING G30 played 10 holes ,and then broke up .
      It’s now back in THE STATES ,( I live in EUROPE ) ,I’ve paix for THE Custom Duties coking in ,I’ve paid for THE shipping going back .
      Now,I’ m a 7 Handicapper ,despite my AGE ,and I’ve révèrted to m’y excellent HONMA BERES clubs which I own since 7 years :never a problèm with thèse clubs ” MADE IN JAPAN “,
      not junk from THE USA and CHINA .
      Nô wonder TOYOTA and LEXUS make THE best cars in THE world !
      Who would ever buy a car ” MADE IN CHINA ”
      As for US MADE cars ,nobody wants them neither !
      I had a MERCEDES ML 500 ,MADE in SPARTANBURG – USA- a disaster :nothing to do with THE MERCEDES CARS MADE in STUTTGART – GERMANY !
      So ,USA ,WAKE UP ,you are going down THE drain !

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      Regis

      10 years ago

      Might have picked the wrong day to post this Mbwa (What the **** is Mbwa anyway)

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      Michael Doherty

      10 years ago

      As I read this interesting story, my computer screen was literally plastered with internet advertising for cheap name-brand golf equipment. Is that the ultimate irony or what?

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      Jeff

      10 years ago

      The golf business is one of the strangest businesses I have ever seen and without a doubt have the most naïve customer base of any business I have ever seen. The cost of golf equipment is absolutely ridiculous. However, even more ridiculous, is the customer base that purchases prototypical golf equipment in the first instance. Anyone that would purchase a new driver for $499.00 and/or a new set of irons for $999 to $1200 is not a very smart shopper. For too long the golf industry has relied on rubes to purchase their over-priced equipment. Anyone that is buying prototypical golf equipment is a simply not a fiscally or practically minded individual. I feel for those folks in the golf industry who have to sell the sizzle on “what this new stick” will do for folks. The biggest technological advancement in the last 75 years of golf is not the equipment we use (although it is much better), it is the ball. I love golf, play all I can, but I have “never” understood the validity of golf as a business. I think I may be looking at this through my own eyes and those eyes are certainly never going to purchase the “next best thing” every time it comes out.

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      Hula_Rock

      10 years ago

      Adding more salt to wound……. I just saw the SLDR on GROUPON !!!!!!!!

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      Pauly

      10 years ago

      Well, here’s the thing – I have been playing for 50 years in 2015, and I grew up in LA at places like Walter Keller golf shop – high service shops owned and staffed by lovers of the game. Then the Roger Dunns and Golfsmiths of the world started, and things were still OK – basically huge golf stores with less service but hundreds of putters and wedges and used sets…I could and did spend all day in those places. Tee times were still picked up at the munis by camping out in the car, and failure to check in 20 minutes prior resulted in a call to a 50 guy call list. Now, we get a tee time a couple of days before at the earliest…by the way, my index is 6.6 (diablo golf) and I play Adams OS irons, a Callaway X Hot driver and a Mizuno 8803 mallet putter with a couple of banged up old Hogan 5711 wedges. Except for the Mizuno I bought at Keller in the 80s, everything else came from on line shops with no fitting. Oh, and I play Top Flite X7000.

      Part of the problem is the over-emphasis on club fitting, 50 dollar a dozen balls, and the constant push to get the “next great thing…”. There have been four major innovations since I started in 1965 – cavity back irons, metal woods, much better balls and hybrids. The specific brands of these are not that critical. Custom fitting is nonsense. A new driver every other year (or sooner) is nonsense. Golf has become a never ending pursuit of gimmickry instead of a personal test of character, nerve, skill and sportsmanship…but not in my group – I don’t play persimmons and balatas anymore, but I’ll stick with my equipment until the fifth major innovation comes along.

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      Andy W

      10 years ago

      Yeah, am with you that the demise of equipment sells is really the lack of another major innovation in over a decade. Since 1965, agree with three of your four. 1) PING Anser perimeter weighting parlaying into its irons. 2) metal woods meaning the titanium Great Big Bertha, the first real “trampolene-face” driver that USGA had to limit its rebound. No GBB’s thin face and I’d still be playing persimmon for the control. 3) The ProV1 ball was a huge leap to more distance. But hybrds? Same as old 5, 7 and 9 woods to me…

      Anyway, the next major innovation is on the way soon…

      Andrew. J. Walters
      http://www.expertgreenreading.com

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      Pauly

      10 years ago

      You know, you have a point on the old 5-7-9 woods thing…I had a Ginty years ago and that old banged up, strange looking wooded headed, V soled club could get the ball up and put off the parking lot, if necessary…so what’s next?

      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      I got my first good set at Walter Keller’s for Christmas in 1966 – Tommy Armour woods and Golfcraft irons.
      It sounds like you have never seen a skilled clubfitter in action. Per Tom Wishon, there are 13 different factors in clubfitting:
      Club Length,
      Loft,
      Lie (the angle of the shaft to the clubhead),
      Face Angle (or woods and hybrids),
      Shaft Weight,
      Shaft stiffness,
      Shaft Bend Profile (whether it bends toward the head, in the middle, or toward the hands),
      Total Weight,
      Swingweight or MOI of the Club,
      Grip Style/Texture (less important),
      Grip size,
      Set Makeup (hybrids or long irons, which wedges, etc.), and
      Clubhead Design.

      There are also variations in clubhead design:
      Center of Gravity Position – high, low, toward the heel or toe,
      Moment of Inertia – how likely is the head to turn if hit off-center?,
      Sole Design – wide, narrow, more or less bounce, sharp or rounded leading edge,
      Face Progression/Offset,
      Head Size,
      Face Design – shape, curvature on woods and hybrids, etc.

      There is no way to get all those factors fitted properly yourself. In addition, Flightscope or Trackman radar can tell the fitter things about your swing and shaft behavior that are impossible to see with the naked eye. To some degree, shot results can help, but it is a lot slower process than working with a skilled clubfitter.

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      Pauly

      10 years ago

      Oh, that’s all a bunch of nonesense…put a good swing on the ball, with tempo and timing and proper pace, and the ball will go pretty much where you aimed it…working on aim, putting, chipping, course management – these are the keys to good golf – not the bend angle of a long iron…

      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      You are apparently both fairly close to needing clubs with average specs. Many people are not like that, including me. If you had ever tried to hit irons with lies that are significantly off or a driver with a shaft that is an extreme misfit, you would know how important clubs the fit well are.
      Irons with wrong lies with not hit the ground flat and will twist at impact. A driver shaft, even if the correct general flex, will send the ball too high or low, or with too much spin if the kick point is significantly different than what is needed for a particluar golfer’s swing. Grips the wrong diameter make controlling the club difficult.

      Robeli

      10 years ago

      BS… those are the things for the pros and the 10% of golfers with h/cap less than 5. For the rest, you are talking Greek and is just hype and sales marketing and may help high handicapper shave some strokes. But is it worth the extra money to be fitted? I doubt.

      drbloor

      10 years ago

      I play to a fifteen. I spent $75 on an iron fitting a few weeks ago for three hours of time with a Top 100 fitter. I had lofts and lies tweaked on a club-by-club basis, and we tried 10-20 different shafts until we found one that wasn’t just “good enough.” I walked away with a seven club set for a hundred or two less than what I would have paid for the same at a big box, and *maybe* a hundred more than one you pride yourself in buying sight unseen off of eBay.

      We get it. You like to go cheap and beat those mean nasty “big boys” in manufacturing and retail at there own game. Hooray for you! But you have no clue as to what you’re talking about, and you’ve made that abundantly clear in the countless posts you’ve made in this thread. You’re a walking, talking example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

      Robeli

      10 years ago

      Nice for you. 3h and $75 cancels out the $100 you save. And your 15 came down to…….

      dr. bloor

      10 years ago

      No, that includes the $75 I spent on the fitting. And the other thing I forgot to mention: This set of irons replaces the last set I had fit by the same guy…nine years ago. It’s called an “investment.”

      I’m about two shots better with the new irons, btw. There are a lot of reasons I’ll never be the magnificent ten that you claim to be, but poorly fit clubs isn’t one of them.

      Mark

      10 years ago

      While you may have a valid point, you raise so many variables, it would be nearly impossible to isolate each element in the fitting process to tweak your game to its maximum potential. For 90% of players, a proper shaft, swing weight and lie angle should suffice along with a set that is based upon their skill level, for instance SGI, GI or advanced.

      Gary

      10 years ago

      The author mentions in the first paragraph that he has been in business for 10 years. I’ve owned my “mom-and-pop” golf business since 1975. Back then the big companies were Wilson, Spalding, MacGregor, Titleist and Hogan. The tactics used by OEM’s that the author mentioned were the same tactics used by those companies back in the mid-1970’s when the companies did away with “pro shop only” sales policy. So it’s not a new concept, it’s just been refined and put on a larger scale. The OEM’s and the big box stores brought the problem upon themselves…it’s called greed and arrogance.

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      Robeli

      10 years ago

      You did put some perspective on the author’s mindset I missed before.
      If he has only been in the golf business 10 years, it means he tried to jump on the wave at the peak of the golfing industry. He probably thought to get rich quickly milking Tigermania, but due to many factors, golfing is declining. Now he gives a so call inside viewpoint, but in all reality, he is just complaining that he isn’t filthy rich after 10 years.

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      MickT

      10 years ago

      For you to write an article of this length you’ve obviously got a bit time on your hands.

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      PG

      10 years ago

      Great article, the big vendors should be ashamed of themselves, and so should the top pros for helping them do it.

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      Mark

      10 years ago

      Pros? So if you were Rory or Tiger, you would tell Nike to keep their millions of dollars and would not accept any endorsement money.

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      Snowy

      10 years ago

      Great article but this is not just a golf problem. I worked in the Ski ans Snowboard Industry for over a decade and I can tell you that big companies like Burton want you to carry their entire line and not just one or two board/binding combos. Likewise with Ski Gear, K2, Atomic, Salomon want you to carry several items not just one or two styles.

      I feel the “direct to customer” services like Shop-o-tron etc, really aim to help the retailers get rid of items that they have in stock but the issue is making too many products that flood the internet and then the prices are below cost, putting those mom and pop shops that have a store front at a disadvantage.

      My shop used to carry 6 different snowboard brands, 5 different boot companies, and 6 different binding manufactures. Now we carry 2 snowboard brands, 1 boot brand, and 2 binding brands because of a shrinking market for our walk in customers. Sure we can put these all online and hope they sell, but with bigger web-only sites, they cut us out rather quickly and it is sad.

      I love golf and snowboarding but I am not sure how either will survive given the trends.

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      David Rupp

      10 years ago

      The article is spot on. Golf’s golden age is gone, and with it goes golf retailing. We are experiencing what photographic film developers experienced when cameras went digital. It is not coming back no matter how you might want it to.

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      O. Jones

      10 years ago

      P.S. to the author, please name the 3 OEM’s you are referring to or all of what you wrote is just commentary.

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      Snowy

      10 years ago

      He doesnt need to “name names” if he doesnt want to, (im sure he does not want to lose those accounts) but I am sure we can come up with 5 companies that are probably the 3 he named. Taylor Made, Ping, Nike, Callaway, Titleist come to mind.

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      sam

      10 years ago

      The AUTHOR is the one who is feeling a wee bit entitled.

      Business models are constantly evolving. Change with the times or perish.

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      terry

      10 years ago

      I no longer buy taylormade equipment nor will i ever buy callaway even if they revert back to traditional methods.

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      David Rupp

      10 years ago

      This article is spot on. I’ve been in the business 41 years and adapted before. I’ll adapt to the current realities, but it won’t be any fun anymore. The golden age of golf is past and with it goes the golden age of golf retailing. We are experiencing what it was like for the photographic film developers when cameras went digital.

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      O. Jones

      10 years ago

      It’s all about leverage. Who has it and who doesn’t. It’s a buyers market. As a retailer I would never carry anything that does not or cannot maintain its value, (aka margins) for 6 months. Retailers/Golf Pro’s, we all wear too many hats to manage OEM product cycles, it’s too much work and for very little return for us. If an OEM sells direct to consumers, or to RockBottom Golf, etc. we will only carry a minimum of their core SKU’s and re-order as needed.

      Negotiate for your discount with floor space not huge volumes of product. Real estate location in your shop is important to OEM’s. Front of the store or back in the corner – which do you prefer?

      To survive in this industry there needs to be a sense of urgency with regard to the value and role of customer service. Excellent AFTER sales service, building relationships with customers, developing creative ways to build loyalty to your store, hiring the right people on the floor, etc. is what will give a retailer leverage. Which is what this author writes about and is the key to survival.

      Discounting, BOGO’s, competing on pricing and volume, etc…will yield single digit margins at best and unless you’re Costco, Wal-Mart, Amazon, etc., then you are simply in a race to the bottom

      Invest in your people. Example, I recently shopped at 2 retail brick and mortar shops, in the first, the associate never came out from behind the counter and continued reading her magazine. I took a look around and left. In the 2nd shop, I was greeted by a friendly person who not only suggested what he thought I would be interested in – but gathered “items” and brought them to me, explaining the benefits of each…. I was there for an hour, purchased way more than I planned on spending and I will return. Because that associate added to my shopping experience.

      Your Honor, I rest my case.

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      Mark

      10 years ago

      I believe that OEMs do pay for product display location. TM and Callaway are usually lovsyrf upfront at the stores that are located near my home.

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      Triant steuart

      10 years ago

      We get it at Krank golf. The majors are worried about us. Not only do we have great story with the new formula 5 usually g science and technology instead of profits to create new drivers. Simply our divers hit the ball further! We have the highest Rockwell factor, 13 major long drive championships and the remax 2013 world champion. Now let’s talk $$$$ we hold our pricing and don’t create new products for the sake of new products. We value our retailer partners and their prifitability. How would you like to make over $200 per club and not have to worry about a customer seeing it for less on the internet. Better value, better product, better profit. Contact me for more details. [email protected] this isn’t an advertisement it’s a solution to the profitability issue this report is about. I commend the author it’s tome for a change.

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      Robeli

      10 years ago

      So you want me to buy your ugly Formula 5 driver costing $500 instead of last year’s TM or Callaway for $200!!!! LMAO

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      Sharkhark

      10 years ago

      We are such an entitled generation. We want everything at the lowest price, available instantly etc etc
      I run a small food franchise business & see it everyday.
      This article was a unique snapshot into the golf retailer business. But typical of the entitled.
      Some saw it as whining. Others saw it and said who cares, I go wherever the cheapest is free enterprise blah blah blah.
      Too funny.
      I sympathize with the retailer & understand his issues & concerns. While I obviously like cheaper stuff, I get it, I understand.

      Kudos for an informative read.

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      Bob

      10 years ago

      Great article – thank you. Where is your shop, I would shop there. I live in Westchester, NY. There was an independently owned golf shop that was the only place I went to buy my equipment, and the sales guys weren’t that great. They went out of business 2 years ago. All that’s available in my area is a crappy Golfsmith and some small pro shops that simply don’t have the space to carry much of anything. I don’t like buying things online and it’s hard to find a place to demo and buy something, unless it’s at a place like Golfsmith – who I would prefer not to buy from. I hope things in the industry improve and I wish you and your business the best of luck.

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      Mark

      10 years ago

      I bet I know the shop. They also had a couple of stores in Manhattan.

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      Mark

      10 years ago

      Although if it is the same shop, i did like the sales staff and found them helpful.

      kloyd0306

      10 years ago

      The article identifies that the current business model is not only flawed but failed and the blame lays squarely at the feet of the biggest OEMs.

      The retailer will ultimately be squeezed completely out of the sales chain. In the not-too-distant-future, the majority of sales will be direct with the OEM (thank you internet). The major OEMs will then open franchise stores (which will carry only their brand), and voila! – no retailers.

      It’s coming……….

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      Fozcycle

      10 years ago

      Nicely stated. As I read the part about getting away from dealing directly with the mfg, I acknowledge that Yesterday, I placed an order directly with Cobra for a sand wedge. Because the stores did not have it. Because I wanted the bio cell blue with blue grip stiff lightweight steel shaft and 2* flat lie. That is precisely why you have to be able to order directly from the mfg.

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      MmmmmmBuddy

      10 years ago

      Most local shops are not going to carry a 2° flat Blue Bio Cell Sand wedge as open stock. Imagine the size of the warehouse needed to keep an inventory of just std/std clubs, and as soon as you introduce custom…. it becomes overwhelming. Any golf shop that has an account with Cobra Puma Golf would have been more than happy to order you that club. (most likely for less than you paid Cobra). Keeping local guys in business is important.

      Just fyi.

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      Robeli

      10 years ago

      “Keeping local guys in business is important”
      Only if they add value (or are close by). You need to remember some of these golf shops are not around each corner. I live 25 minutes from the closest one. I do the same as Fozcycle – why spend time and gas money if you just have to a do few clicks on your computer the get the exact same product.

      MmmmmmBuddy

      10 years ago

      Do you have a phone??? Most golf shops that I have been to still have working phone lines, and would love to talk to a customer about an order.

      On another note, keeping your money local is good for your community. It helps to provide local jobs, and tax revenue. Send your cash to another state, and they reap the benefits of your money, not your community.

      If you have a business that relies on people….. keep your money local…

      Rant over.

      Robeli

      10 years ago

      25 minutes away is not local – it’s in a different city and county.

      Bob

      10 years ago

      Jpubic – it’s not they become “no good” they were never worth the $400 to begin with. Since they (TM) know they will be introducing a new, and “better” product they don’t put the quality into the materials, shaft, grip. They want you to upgrade early and often. What TM needs to do is offer us a trade-up path so you don’t feel you’ve been ripped off. Buy a new TM driver, go home and look up the used value on PGA.com. It’s a joke.

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      markb

      10 years ago

      Clubs have no intrinsic value. Value is a perception in the mind of the buyer. A club is only “worth” what someone else is willing to pay for it. Every manufacturer would like to convince us that their club is worth $400. If they can do so, bravo. But that rabbit is getting harder and harder to pull out of the hat. SuperStroke has no problem convincing anyone to pay $25 for one putter grip. (Newsflash, they cost about the same to make as other grips.) I say that while they can get it, get it. Dance until the music stops.

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      Jpublic

      10 years ago

      “There’s a reason that $400 driver is now $249.99 6 months later – IT’S NO GOOD.”
      There is a fallacy in that statement author!! Vendors are coming up with newer models and nobody wants (including you) to pay the same price to an older model. For example, just cos taylormade came up with their SLDR driver, doesn’t mean that their rocketballz was ‘NO GOOD’ !!!

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      Robeli

      10 years ago

      This was a boring article. He is complaining his business model isn’t working because of so and so and so…… Well, Thank goodness for free capital world we live in where supply and demand rules and the consumer has choices!! I will buy from whom I want for the best value I can get anywhere. If that means go to a dealership to test drive a car and go shop it online via carsdirect, so be it (to use a car analogy). Adopt or die!

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      mnfats95

      10 years ago

      No one is telling you that you can’t do that. But eventually (maybe not in your lifetime so I guess you don’t have to care) there won’t be anywhere you can test drive that car left in business.

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      José Rolz

      10 years ago

      Hey, I agree with Toots.
      Stick to your service-business model, eliminate the “problem” product lines ( as long as they maintain the problem policies ) AND INNOVATE.
      You will prevail.

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      RON

      10 years ago

      Great article I enjoyed reading it and one guy in here said it best and like I always said is why people in here always tend to back up TM the evil empire they are especially when their product quality is lower than the other companies mentioned above. I think a good reason people quit golf is the greed in the golf business not to mention charging 60 bucks for a round of golf is ludacris and I dont care how nice the coarse is, lower it to a normal playing price between 20 to 30 bucks and you will get more people playing more rounds and it will add up. Then here comes the biggest joke of all I was in pga sup store looking to try out some irons and they told me inless I have a demo MEMBERSHIP WHICH WOULD COST ME I THINK 40 BUCKS THEY WILL HAVE TO CHARGE ME 25 BUCKS TO TAKE OUT AN IRON AND TRY IT OUT. I told him in that case Im not buying any clubs off you guys, WHAT THE F….K IS GOING ON IN THE GOLF BUSINESS.

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      Seth S.

      10 years ago

      Alright, confession time… I am part of your problem, insofar as I am a consumer who cares more about my bottom line than about the health of the retailer. An example: I recently purchased a BioCell 3-4 Fairway Wood from that evil monster, Dick’s. I hit the demo in their cage and then, because I felt guilty about shopping at the place that fired all of the PGA pros, I went to Academy across the street. $35 more expensive, or a 22% increase in price. No way I am going to give up a round of golf in exchange for the righteous feeling of screwing Dick’s. Their difficulties are my bonuses. All retailers need to understand that essential cost/benefit analysis. How many rounds of golf will I not be able to play in exchange for a new club. Reduce that number and I will be more likely to buy from you. Here’s a thought, qualified by the fact that I am not in the industry and not a retailer: Don’t buy the latest, greatest retail stuff from the groups that screw you the hardest. Wait until they drop prices at retail and then negotiate for a better price so that you can maintain margin. Now I know they won’t play ball initially, they’ll tell you that you will lose business to those who carry their gear. So what? In the near term you’ll have less capital invested in product you can’t move which will help to assuage any reduction in sales. In the long term, if enough shops do it, the OEMs will have to start dealing with you on the front side. TM’s recent financials within Adidas Group don’t indicate that they will be able to maintain the power position within the retailer/manufacturer relationship any longer.

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      KB33

      10 years ago

      Here’s an idea…stop selling their products. You’re not making money on them anyway. This is not uncommon in business…Target and WalMart stopped carrying the Kindle when it was too difficult to work with Amazon…maybe not the best connection…but you know what I mean

      It’s a matter of time until someone is brave enough to do this. It’s kind of funny that Titleist, Ping and Mizuno are the most strict on who can sell their product…but are amongst the fairest to work with

      Maybe you should stop carrying clubs in store and require all clubs be fitted so you never take ownership of product until it sells…seems like this process needs to evolve.

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      Marty

      10 years ago

      This is what our shop does, and it works quite well. It helps that we are a green grass shop and our customers can take the club out and play it. It’s funny because TM wouldn’t go along for the longest time with what we wanted to do so we just sold the hell out of Callaway, Ping, and Titleist. TM finally caved, although they hard-balled us on their fitting cart. But we carry no inventory and every club is custom fit. The only problem we run into is when a customer wants the club immediately. We can’t accommodate that but we will let them use the demo for one round or so.

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      drbloor

      10 years ago

      “It helps that we are a green grass shop and our customers can take the club out and play it.”

      More like, this is the *only* reason you can do it. An independent brick-and-morter shop that decided not to carry anything by Taylormade/Oddysey or Callaway because of their policies with retailers would be out of business in a year.

      KB33

      10 years ago

      I don’t know if I agree with that…if golfsmith decided to not carry Taylormade tomorrow. I think they would do just fine. It’s not the same ecosystem…it’s not like standard consumer products…meaning the options are much more limited for buying the product.

      You have a handful of shops that account for a significant % of sales…if 1/3 of those shops stopped selling Taylormade products I don’t feel it would necessarily negatively affect them long term…I think Taylormade is more likely to become like TopFlite than for a big box retailer to go out of business. Adidas would likely cut ship or cave long before it came to that.

      AW

      10 years ago

      If I walked into a good brick and mortar golf shop who didn’t carry Taylor Made (or Callaway) I wouldn’t think twice. In fact, I might respect them more. But I admit that there are a good number of people who might be turned off by that. I don’t think, however, that it would be too tough a sales job to get someone into Mizuno irons or a Titleist driver instead of the 2014.5 SLDR XLT 1000 Tour. Frankly, for most people if you just told them the story about their $300 driver being sold for $150 in six months, you’d likely have instant converts.

      DDD

      10 years ago

      Bingo! And that is what is going to happen. Call it market correction. Those who tried so hard to commandere a larger share of the market (the hare) and now crashing and those who are conservative (the turtle) are going to continue to be what they always have been – steady, reliable, and supportive.

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      markb

      10 years ago

      Superb insiders look. I was with you all the way, until the end. When talking about “Where is the industry going” I think you have a little too much “where I’d LIKE the industry to be going in order to keep my business alive”. Sadly, the industry won’t go that way in most respects.

      Longer product life cycles? Yes.

      Rein in the internet? You might as well go to the seashore and command the waves to stop.

      There will be MORE direct to consumer internet selling, not less. The manny’s have margins too and cutting you out of the loop means more for them. First it will starts with their “overstock” deal stores, then it creeps into full on Hopkins/Scor-style direct fill out your order online, customize it and wait for shipment.

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      Jim

      10 years ago

      Great article. Although I’ve heard this all before from retailers I trust, it really rings home the truth about what has happened to the golf industry. And maybe more importantly how Taylormade, and now Callaway, have ruined the industry. Ping and Titleist have done it right with less product available and less turn around on clubs and consistently produce quality products. As Mark Twain once commented, if you don’t like the weather in New England now just wait a few minutes – well he might has well been talking about TM as they issue clubs faster than anyone should have a right to (just how many drivers have they issued in the past year or so?). The smaller, quality retailers and fitters are the best resource for clubs and information, but don’t confuse that with getting the best deal either. Everyone has to stay competitive. With all the turnaround in clubs these days buying slightly used clubs is a great deal for most of us that don’t wish to spend $400 on a new driver, so the best retailers offer used clubs too. Good luck in the future and I hope the industry’s problems resolve themselves quickly too.

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      Anonymous2

      10 years ago

      You’ll note that the speed to market model actually did work for TaylorMade for a few years. And, they’ve already realized that they used the model a bit longer than the market could bear and have backed off. How about instead of pointing fingers and claiming any one company “ruined” the industry, we fix the core issue: golfers are leaving the sport, and new ones are not joining it. TaylorMade did not make that happen, and neither is Callaway for that matter. The speed to market model was successful for 2-3 years. The declining number of people playing golf is a trend over the last 15 years. Let’s address that issue, and the rest will fall into place.

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      Mark

      10 years ago

      I agree. Young people simply are focused on iPads and iPhones and the like. The rising cost of the retail prices of golf clubs the last few years have made me opt this year to buying a quality used set of Ping G25 irons and woods this year. The irons matched my color code for fitting purposes. If I paid new, my set would have cost at least $2000. Why would anyone, let alone young people commit to this kind of money for a game they may not like? Last weekend, I went with a meetup group to a golf outing and a woman in my foursome used her brother’s 4 year old TM driver. When asked why not get a more appropriate driver, the answer she gave was why not? While you may think that she lacks the understanding of being fitted, she simply did not want to invest in golf clubs. How much do you want to bet she buys the new iPhone 6 which will undoubtedly cost as much as a new driver

      Jon

      10 years ago

      Good well thought out piece. I think the elephant in the room is number of rounds declining. Product cycles have minimal impact on attracting new young golfers. Until that is addressed and reversed, products can be released every two years or two months and it won’t change anything,

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      Tony Covey

      10 years ago

      Jon – I go back and forth on the significance of the declining rounds stat. Yeah..rounds are down, but we’ve had to horrible winters in a row. That favors an argument for the idea that the problem isn’t that people aren’t playing golf, it’s that they can’t play golf. One interesting counterargument that I heard recently is that the number of rounds played per month open is actually up. I don’t know if it’s up significantly or not, but I do think it paints a more accurate picture than rounds played without regard to whether or not courses were actually open for play.

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      markb

      10 years ago

      I know you guys in the east have had horrible winters. But the last four winters in the west have been mild and warmish and our rounds played is steadily down too. Fewer people are playing golf and more CORE golfers are leaving the sport. I’m in that core demographic and all my old college golfing buddies are drifting away. Society is simply changing.

      Craig

      10 years ago

      I agree with both of you about golf getting too expensive to play and that maybe one of the reasons why people are leaving the sport.
      My scenario is that I live in Oz and visited a friend last year in SF. I was amazed how differently the set up’s are between Australian golf and American golf.
      In Aust. we have 12 month memberships which allows a member to walk on and play at will for those 12 months. I was shocked to learn that everything in the US. is Pay As You Play. If I had to play golf like that I would walk away from the sport as well. You yanks certainly know how to fuck up a great sport.
      I play at a private golf club and it works out to be about $30 AUS dollars a week. That allows me to play 7 days a week for that money.
      If I did the same thing over there, it would cost me around $400 dollars a week.
      Thank Christ we have more common sense about golf over here.

      markb

      10 years ago

      The Aussie system sounds great. But for $1500 you can get TWO annual passes to two different good and nearly empty courses in Utah. So don’t be boarding your Quantas flight just yet, get on a Delta to SLC instead. And BTW there is a nice course right at our airport.

      Doc

      9 years ago

      As long as the majority of golfers are ‘the older’ golfer there will be less and less golf played due to the expense of playing a round of golf. There is no reason that a round of golf should cost more than $30 on the weekend and $20 during the week if we are talking about public courses. If a company or city or country club is that heavy on overhead, it’s their problem, not the golfers problem.
      There are some courses where I live that if you bring your own cart you pay $10 vs the $12 you would pay if you rented a golf cart. If this isn’t a load of crap I don’t know what is. I don’t own a golf cart so this is not in reference to me. If you brought a Segway it would cost you $10 to play a round vs the $12 to rent a cart. WTF?
      Courses are driving golfers away from the game. I hope the system takes a head dive and the survivors learn from past mistakes.
      Country clubs in Dallas/Fort Worth Texas are doing so poorly they are letting the public play on certain days just to drive up revenue.
      A local public/municipal course is going to tear down an existing 18 hole course and redo it. They are spending 8 million on a new course and 8 million on a new club house with a restaurant for the general public? Really?
      Why not spend nothing except keep up the course, make repairs, upgrade the ‘face’ of it and save the 16 million bucks? Insane. Rates are going up to $50 and $60 per round on the weekend they say. Seniors are not going to pay this. They’ll go elsewhere and the game will suffer. Idiotic.

      Toots

      10 years ago

      Call me crazy but…here is my take: (and before someone asks I don’t work in the golf business at all).

      First if you don’t want to be in the golf business…don’t be in the golf business.

      Second while your article was well written and informative it is, in my opinion, misguided. Why? Because MGS is a site primarily, again in my opinion, targeted at consumers and consumers don’t care about your problems. Just like consumers didn’t care about the problems of music store owners when iTunes came out.

      Now that your pissed off at me. Let me offer you some advice. If you don’t like the business, change the business. Does that mean close up shop and go home? No it means innovate. Change things up, do you own demo days, start a buyers group, join a buyers group, stand up to the manufacturers, become a manufacturer, offer free lessons with purchase etc.

      Now stop writing articles to people that can’t/won’t help you and go make your business kick ass.

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      Robeli

      10 years ago

      Amen

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      mnfats95

      10 years ago

      I guess I didn’t get the tone from the article that did. I didn’t really see this as a cry for help from the consumer. It was an interesting peek into what running a golf shop is like. Perhaps with a detailed explanation as to why things are the way they are.

      While I agree that most customers don’t really care about their local business’ issues, I have to wonder how they will feel when those local businesses are no longer around for them to test drive the things they want to buy.

      There are a good number that still will not care, and that’s fine, they can keep gambling just like they always have. At some point however, there is going to come a time when you are simply not going to be able to easily check out that new golf club before you buy it.

      Perhaps at this time the market will correct itself and stores will return with the revolutionary ability to actually allow you to demo the product before you buy it.

      Regardless of what the future holds, I disagree with you and wish there were more articles like this out there. It’s a fascinating look at how things go down for those of us that have no clue what is happening behind the scenes.

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      James

      10 years ago

      How is shopping online a gamble? I can demo a club in store for maybe 20 minutes, or I can buy online and get a one month guarantee. I play the club a few rounds and if I don’t like it I enjoy a free, full-value exchange for something else. That’s innovative. Seems to me 20 minutes in a hitting bay is much more of a risk.

      The market is changing and sellers need to change with it. Add value to my purchase BEYOND the product and I will shop at your store.

      Todd Tschantz

      10 years ago

      Eventually there won’t be a hitting bay and demo clubs to hit if you don’t buy!

      James

      10 years ago

      Did you even read my comment? Why use a hitting bay and demo club when you can buy online and get a one month trial period?

      GolfSmith – Performance Guarantee
      TGW – Mulligan 30-Day Club Playability Guarantee
      GlobalGolf – 30-Day Playability Guarantee

      They all let you return a club during the first 30 days, even if it’s been used! So what is the use of a hitting bay when you can actually go play a few rounds?

      Taylor

      10 years ago

      There is a lot of proven data though to show that you can get the same if not better performance with say an older driver but with a shaft that suits your swing much better rather than blindly buying some new model with a crappy stock shaft online. For the same amount of money or even less you can get a club that will really be a game changer. Just look at Matsuyama, he was using that god awful looking old Srixon driver for a long time (might still be using it) and he is pretty awesome from the tee.

      This is not the phone industry; golf clubs should be treated as an investment so take the time to get fitted into the right clubs rather than buying a new candy every couple of months.

      Will

      10 years ago

      I think the point of the article is that change is needed in golf retail… I’m sure he is perfectly capable of innovating and obviously has a passion for what he does.

      Dick’s closing is the first major change in the retail landscape, and it impacts consumers. Getting the retailers perspective is good for us.

      Buying golf clubs is different than buying music. iTunes competely changed the music industry, and the golf industry changing is a BIG deal. These aren’t digital goods that are the same across the board. These are physical goods that you need to try before you buy.

      There is also the fact that the game of golf itself is in a decline. This matters to all golfers. Most likely the entire market is going to contract.

      If you don’t care, that’s fine. Keep buying clubs online, and hope for the best. Personally, I think the next shift is going to be towards retailers doing full custom fittings and building bags that last for years instead of months… which means the retailers perspective matters significantly. Especially if they have preferred clubs that they sell.

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      Doc

      9 years ago

      Well Toots I have to say that as being a fitter that I see this problem all the time. I have friends that own a facility and they are all hyped up to sell clubs now. But all they do is measure from wrist to floor, get a swing speed from a launch monitor and sell the set based on the club mfg recommendations. This is not club fitting and it does nothing to help the golfer that just paid X dollars for what they thought was something that will help fix their game. It won’t work like that.
      I’ve taken people with a pretty generic yet acceptable set of clubs and rebuilt one for them that hits like butter. Change the size of the grip, get the correct flex and kick point shaft for them and find their ‘sweet spot’ in reference to their ideal swing weight. Put it all together and teach them a 9 to 3 swing and they are putting balls around the flag like lawn darts compared to their previous shotgun approach.
      It doesn’t take a ‘new’ ‘cool’ set of clubs. It takes a correctly fitted set.
      I can take any club head built within the last 25 years and get better results my way than the most expensive set that is assembled merely on wrist to floor measurements and swing speed. It’s not rocket science, it’s math-geometry-physics-gravity-mass-speed. It’s rather simple once one understands it.
      Most players have too small of a grip on their clubs.
      Most players have shafts that are not correct for them.
      Most players have ‘standard length’ clubs which is insane. Golf clubs are not better just because they are 1/2″ longer or shorter than the next. In reality the 9 through 5 can actually be all the same length if they are swing weight identical.
      Most golfers have too heavy of a swing weight. C5-C9 have fit more people’s needs than the standard D2.
      Most golfers are high handicap golfers, they need something different than what’s being sold at big box stores.
      Most golfers only need a putter, a driver or fairway wood and I believe the fairway wood wins out, plus the 5 through 9 irons. With these 7 irons the average weekend golfer can play better, enjoy the game more, and score better.
      If you can hit the ball 175 in the air off the grass you can play bogie golf or better every time you play. It’s that simple. You just have to be accurate, not long.

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      tomq_123

      10 years ago

      I found your article to be very informative with regard to how the major golf equipment companies are bringing about their own woes and taking the golf retailers with them. How these companies treat the retailers of their products is shameful and indicative of their willingness put short term profits ahead of long term growth. However, the golf industry as a whole needs to realize that the sport is expensive to play, in initial equipment costs (clubs, bags, balls, etc..) and fees to play and that is a huge turn off to new participants. From an equipment standpoint, $400+ drivers that are replaced every 3 months with new versions with splashy ads in magazines and on TV during PGA tour events and on the Golf Channel are overly expensive and not necessary for the average weekend duffer. I realize these companies spend a lot of money on R&D, advertising, and PGA Tour pros but is the SLDR2 really all the different from the SLDR or even the R9. My favorite set of golf clubs are a set that I have fitted over 15 years ago that are not an OEM brand, but an older more established component brand that cost $300. I have since learned how to make and fit my own clubs and only purchase my equipment from component companies and have not purchased an OEM brand in over 20 years. I think there are opporunities for golf to grow again in the US, but it will require equipment companies, golf courses and consumers to all adapt to the new environment.

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      Adam Fonseca

      10 years ago

      Interesting article. However, something that was stated early in the piece is bothering me, and it should bother you, too:

      “Vendor X will offer us a 6% discount if we book $25,000 worth of their stuff, and if we really want to make some money, $100,000 worth of merchandise will get us a 10% line item discount.”

      Nobody is forcing stores to buy $100,000 worth of merchandise. I’m sure someone can argue something like “Well, if we don’t spend that money, our competitors will…”, but so what? Let your competitors get sold on spending more money than they need to, which leads to wasteful inventory and wasted money.

      It’s not the vendor’s fault that you bought their sales pitch. They have to run a business, too.

      That being said, I think the author hits the driver on the head (heh) when he mentions the “try before you buy online” problem. I can’t think of another sporting goods industry that allows you to try out expensive equipment repeatedly like what we see in golf. I’ll admit: I’m one of those people who will try a new driver at a store hitting bay, then turn around and walk out the door and buy the driver I liked the most online. As a consumer, why wouldn’t I do that?

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      Paul

      10 years ago

      “I’ll admit: I’m one of those people who will try a new driver at a store hitting bay, then turn around and walk out the door and buy the driver I liked the most online. As a consumer, why wouldn’t I do that?”

      Adam,
      I do appreciate your honesty. Going to a brick and mortar store to look at or test a product then ordering online is certainly not limited to the golf industry. Best Buy is the best example of a retailer hurt terribly by this practice.

      The thing most consumers should consider is: what happens when the brick and mortar stores close their stores because the buying public looks in house then orders at Amazon (as an example). Where will you go then to check out products?

      Wal-Mart has for some reason made people think that reasonable profits by main stream retailers is bad. Profit is not a bad word. That is how all of us get paid one way or another.

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      Todd Tschantz

      10 years ago

      His point is that you pay upfront for the better margin on product you are hoping will sell through and sometimes don’t get that margin until the end of the year in the form of a “rebate”

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      Mark

      10 years ago

      If the shop does not order $25k for the 6% they will be out of business. Every percent is needed to stay in business. Please reread what he said about margins

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      proside

      10 years ago

      Great article. My local golf only retailer has TM RBZ’s for 150, RBZ 2’s for 175, Jetspeed’s for same and SLDR’s for 250. All of which list for about 400 originally. How do any other products compete with that? This store is big enough that their deal with TM is such that TM bill buy back any extra inventory they can’t move.
      The trouble with that is that the poor customer is being lured to buy their goods instead of going through the process of looking for what works for them. Cobra gives almost the same heavy handed discounts.
      Other retail options from the GC proshops and independent fitters don’t have a chance to compete. The customer gets less than they need and deserve.
      I know the people at the big retailer and they are decent knowledgeable folks who very much try to help the customer make informed choices. They make no commission and get no bonuses for pumping one or the other. Still, the over saturation and product turnover puts them at a disadvantage for helping the customer, essentially, learn what they need to know to really purchase what is of value.
      I applaud the writer above for leaning toward those product lines where the company helps them sustain their business of helping customers.
      I don’t think it’s out of line either to let the customers know how the retailer is strong armed by some factions. I think the customers can appreciate the values of integrity and fair business practices as enough might opt to pick sides and speak with their money if not word of mouth.
      PS. love the insider news. It’s very healthy for the industry to have the ugly practices brought out in the light.

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      DDD

      10 years ago

      Do you think if you walked into a Dick’s Sporting Goods store today and told them you were looking for a driver that they might recommend something other that Taylor Made products? Many sales people in golf retail stores DO get some sort of commission/bene from the store. Don’t be fooled. Being in the industry I’ve never known TM to write me or anyone I know a check for product that doesn’t sell. If that’s the case why do you suppose Dick’s didn’t just call TM up and say “hey, come get this junk and cut me a check – I want out of this business.” It doesn’t work that way. TM will send MORE product at no cost – cleans out their warehouse and loads you up. The no-cost product is used to lower your cost average so you can discount the goods and try to sell them. Thing is, if they didn’t sell before, why would more units at a slightly lower price work? No, what they may offer instead would be credit towards other products. Next thing you know you have shoes, towels, gloves, caps, or other items you didn’t order in the first place. Their conscience is clear and guess what, now I have even more of their products filling up my store. Good for them, like a cancer, they’ve infiltrated more and more of my store. It’s predatory in nature and I think they’re going to get a massive amount of push back for some time. Serves them right.

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      Dan

      10 years ago

      Titleist, Ping, Nike, Mizuno – props to you. TM, Callaway – eff off before you ruin the game we love.

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      finalist

      10 years ago

      Damn that is a good article.

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      cdvilla

      10 years ago

      I like to support my local golf store. they have good prices, they’re nice, and they know me… keep up the good fight.

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      Kevin

      10 years ago

      Your account of what is happening in the industry is dead on. As for the Internet stores being part of the problem I’d like to qualify that and note that it is the eBays and Amazon.com of the world that are killing margins on equipment. Most consumers these days are looking to buy their golf gear through these marketplaces because they can get the stuff almost at wholesale prices. What they don’t understand is a lot of the stuff, especially on ebay, is either counterfeit or demo equipment.

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      proside

      10 years ago

      I would never buy online. Stolen or fake is all that is sold there.

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      Dave S

      10 years ago

      Well, I’d disagree… if you just blindly buy stuff w/o doing the requisite research, then yeah, you might end up with fake/stolen stuff. I can tell you for a fact that I’ve bought quite a few golf clubs off Ebay (guess I’m part of the problem) and have had them all verified as real.

      Robeli

      10 years ago

      Really? Golfsmith, TGW, etc. are certified by OEM’s.

      blstrong (SeeRed)

      10 years ago

      Great article- thanks for taking the time to share your side of the story. How many small, customer focused shops like yours will we lose in this transition? Too many, I’m sure.

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      Eric Cockerill

      10 years ago

      I’d assume Ping and Titleist as well. The third is tougher to guess, but my vote is for Mizuno. Very solid reputation, rarely if ever discounted, very predictable release cycle. Tour Edge is a good guess as well, though I’m assuming volume is better for Mizuno only because of reputation.

      Bridgestone sells direct.

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      Kris

      10 years ago

      These 3 were my assumptions as well, assuming the author means major companies. I’ve never really had many new clubs (supply teacher barely making 5 figures), though I have to say Nike has treated me well for customer service, and every Ping owner I’ve ever met raves about them.

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      mnfats95

      10 years ago

      I wish your store was near me.

      Before going and getting fitted this year I would hunt the net for the best deal on a club I thought I wanted.

      It will never happen again.

      I just sent in a PING driver I bought this spring that snapped at the hosel. Brand new driver sent back to me after a short explanation.

      I paid well for these clubs, but they have already justified my price in my opinion.

      I also went from an 8 hcp to a personal best 5 this year because of the equipment.

      I paid for a 3 hour fitting that was then applied to my order when I ordered through the fitter. Worth every penny even if they hadn’t have put it against my purchase.

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      Michael

      10 years ago

      I keep telling my friends this story.

      I bought a set of Ping G5 irons 6 years ago. In the last 6 years, 2 shafts broke, 1 badge (or weight) on the iron got lost. I’ve yet to pay a single dime for repairs. Ping always take care of me. Free shipping too.

      I wouldn’t play any other brands, not because I’m loyal to Ping, but because I’m too cheap.

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      Super Tuna

      10 years ago

      Well written and informative.

      Though I’m exceptionally glad about the contextualizing of the 5-10 years of expected use on a potential club because otherwise a goal of 36 to 38% margin is exceptionally high even amongst a number of other luxury goods.

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      Todd Tschantz

      10 years ago

      Your kidding about the margin being exceptionally high I hope. We pay rent, utilities wages insurance, taxes and fees. The only lower margin product is FOOD.

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      Mark

      10 years ago

      I believe electronics, like the stuff at Best Buy (computers and TVs) have a much lower profit margin.

      Lou

      10 years ago

      He’s obviously talking about Ping and Titleist because he mentioned the 18-24 month cycle. Not sure about the 3rd one.

      I hate that this is happening to you and I wish I could help. I don’t make enough. I literally do not make enough. I would love to have new, fitted equipment but unfortunately I have to buy pre-owned stuff that I generally fit myself too. I can’t justify paying $399 for a driver and another $600 or $700 for my membership. I don’t make enough and I hate that more than just about anything.

      I worked for a small pc repair shop a few years back and we had to deal with big box pc shops that did everything we did and tried hard to undersell us. We stuck by what we stood for. We gave quality service, discounts and preferred treatment to customers who bought from us and armed our customers with knowledge about what really goes on in the industry (kind of like what you did here) and guess what? That little shop I helped build, it’s still going strong while that big box name brand store – closed.

      Stay true to your game and the way you operate and you will win. I sincerely hope that 1 day I will be able to support guys like you because you are what keep people playing the game.

      Good luck,
      Lou

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      markb

      10 years ago

      Either Mizuno or Nike are his third vendor, probably Mizuno.

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      sam

      10 years ago

      I agree

      flaglfr

      10 years ago

      Have yet to see Mizuno discounted too. Shame though… It’s the only iron set I will play. I did see one disturbing thing though with Mizuno; When I was at their website the other day, I saw that you can now buy clubs from them directly. At full retail, but directly. Don’t remember what model it was, but the buy now option was in the top of the page.

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      sam

      10 years ago

      ME 2 I,ve played Mizuno 4 15 yrs on my 3rd set irons. Best forged irons on the market.

      1badbadger

      10 years ago

      Several golf companies that sell “direct” like Mizuno, Cleveland and Bridgestone use Shopatron for their e-commerce sites. Shopatron’s system allows brands to sell online and integrate their retailers into the fulfillment process. Basically the order is placed with the manufacturer, but retailers are given the first chance to fill the order and ship it to the customer (or arrange for in-store pick up). If after a certain amount of time (I think 48 hrs) a retailer hasn’t accepted the order, it is filled by the manufacturer. If it’s a custom order or an item that retailers usually don’t stock (like a den caddy for example) then it will be shipped by the manufacturer also.

      Tom54

      10 years ago

      I think the three companies that are referred to are Ping, Titleist, and Bridgestone or Tour Edge. I’ve mentioned before, but I bought the Callaway BB Alpha in May and 6 weeks later it was discounted. I’m still annoyed. I hope it wasn’t discounted because it’s a “shitty” driver as mentioned above. I like it, though, so it has to be good. I agree with the assessment above that you should invest in your pastime. Funny thing is, I bought the BB Alpha a year after I invested $800 in a custom fit driver from one of the three companies above. I wasn’t fit by the manufacturer themselves, rather an independent company. The driver itself I don’t think was so bad, rather I wish I hadn’t let the fitter talk me into a $360 aftermarket shaft when I found out later one of the stock shafts worked even better.

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      Robeli

      10 years ago

      An your example is EXACTLY why I do not want to go to a fitter just to be ‘fitted’ for a $800 driver. I rather do research after research and buy last year’s old driver at 50%. If I don’t like it, send it back within 30 days and buy another. And by the way, this is for someone playing on 10 h/cap and happy to stay there until the day I die. The writer had very good points, but he forgot to mention he is also part of the problem. To think the problem will be solved to go back to model of 10-15 years ago, is wishful thinking.

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      mnfats95

      10 years ago

      How exactly is the retail store in this write up part of the problem? The poster you replied to was “annoyed” by the fact that the quick release schedule of clubs by some manufacturers discounted his purchases shortly after he bought it. Companies releasing gear at a slower pace would definitely take care of that issue.

      The poster was talked into buying an aftermarket shaft by the fitter he chose to go to. If this establishment becomes known for steering players in the wrong direction they will not be in business very long due to word of mouth and lack of repeat sales.

      You seem to be suggesting that being fitted for golf equipment is a negative. In fact, in most cases it’s just the opposite, most golfers don’t have the time or knowledge to find the product configuration that fits them properly.

      While you are content with your game staying where it is and guessing at what you will like repeatedly, others are not. I’ll bet if you walked into any of the fitting shops and told them you only had so much to spend on a club they would be more than happy to find you the one that matches your swing the closest with that limitation.

      Just because you can spend $800 on a driver doesn’t mean you have to. No one is forcing you to buy anything.

      Robeli

      10 years ago

      And you proof my point. Choices and different needs. There are some of us that is VERY happy with the current state of choices we have to not spend $600-800 for a new club but rather wait a year or so and buy that same club for $150-200 (just look at the pre-owned websites for Taylor Made and Callaway – there are unbelievable bargains). That is the way I shop.

      Taylor

      10 years ago

      This cannot last though you do know that right? The more and more retailers need to discount golf equipment due to such low product cycles the more money golf club manufactures will eventually lose. This will cause companies to lose employees or worse go out of business or be re-allocated (Adams). It’s nice now but you are one of the leading causes for the industry dying.

      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      The fitter should have use Flightscope’s shaft behavior graphs to see what the custom shaft was doing compared to the stock shaft choices. Apparently he didn’t.

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      Joseph Dreitler

      10 years ago

      Nike is the 3rd with Ping and Titleist on telling you to go see your local pro shop. I tried to have Nike sell me a Method putter grip online with no luck. Had to have a golf shop that had a Nike account order it for me.

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      drbloor

      10 years ago

      They might not sell individual grips on line, but they sell all of their clubs directly.

      snowman

      10 years ago

      agree that the EXPENSIVE Shafts are unnecessary for most golfer and it seems that the high-end fitters push them a lot; must be high margin.

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      Todd Tschantz

      10 years ago

      Not all good fitters are high end shaft pushers. Manufacturers have gotten it right by providing great shaft options to fit most players without the up charge. Be wary of a fitter that tells you the MFG shaft is crap (I don’t know why vendors put up with these people).

      Chip

      10 years ago

      I don’t know the vendors he speaks of because he doesn’t mention them directly by name, but using logic I would guess most of his complaining is directed at Taylormade and possibly Callaway. His praise of certain vendors seems directed at the equipment lifecycle of Titleist and maybe Ping. Those two vendors rarely discount their products until very late in their lifecycle and neither sell directly to the buyer. Cobra was under the Acushnet umbrella with Titleist but was bought out by Puma. Although I like Puma clothing, It seems their Cobra brand has adapted the Taylormade release cycle. Add Adams to the mix since Taylormade bought them out. Adams makes the best hybrids and I hope Taylormade doesn’t mess that up. Taylormade has made a mess of the market and their demands on local golf shops is ridiculous. Then you have the deal Taylormade had with Dicks to sell an exclusive economy line of clubs. It is no surprise they are both failing. I do like the SLDR driver, but I don’t understand how anyone who loves this game can be a Taylormade fan. I can buy a set of Pings or Titleist irons or a Driver and a year or two later they are stil worth a decent amount of money. You buy a set of Taylormade irons or a Driver and a year later they aren’t worth crap.

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      Dave S

      10 years ago

      And Nike… they actually have the same lifecycles as Titleist and Ping.

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      Chuck

      10 years ago

      Cobra has not adopted the same life cycles as taylormade. Nike and Cobra both have about a year life cycle on most of their product. I have hit all the new drivers and Cobra was by far the best.

      Tom S

      10 years ago

      Cobra = Titleist, no?

      Super Tuna

      10 years ago

      No. Cobra = Puma

      Titleist sold off Puma in May of 2010. And then Titleist sold it’s self off and is now owned by Fila.

      Todd Tschantz

      10 years ago

      Add Mizuno to the big Three on lifecycle and holding prices

      James

      10 years ago

      I am going to suggest that Mizuno still has brand integrity because of its 2 year cycles.
      I am happy to discuss all the OEM’s on brand integrity with my customers.

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      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      I know a long drive champion. He tried out the TaylorMade SLDR driver and couldn’t get the smash factor up to 1.50 no matter how center-of-the-face and square contact he made. He uses a Geek driver head for the competitions. By the way, smash factor is the ball speed divided by the clubhead speed. With center-of-the-face contact and a square clubface it should be 1.50. That tells me there is something wrong with the SLDR driver – an illustration of the “put out lots of models quickly for quick sales and then go to another model” strategy.

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      townsendyoung

      10 years ago

      One of the most objective, informative pieces of writing I’ve read on MGS. Thanks for sharing.

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      MmmmmmBuddy

      10 years ago

      This. Exactly.

      Well written and punctuates exactly what is happening in the retail world of Golf Equipment today…

      Great read.

      Thanks.

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      Steve Barry

      10 years ago

      Good article and a good perspective. I’m just a consumer (albeit a big one) of equipment, so not on the business side. I too hate the direct to consumer method some of the OEMs do these days. At face value, the clubs being the same price seems fine, but that $100 gift card…that’s wrong. They’re cutting out their biggest customer (the stores) but they have to realize it.

      I don’t know what OEM you’re talking about when they tell people to go buy local, but that’s solid. If I were a betting man, I’d say Ping, maybe Titleist. I too hope the cycles slow down a little bit. I love new equipment just as much as the next guy, but I don’t think it’s sustainable and I’d rather have more choices, than more frequent choices.

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      terry

      10 years ago

      for a long time, PING refused to be in big box stores. they stuck by the pros as long as they could because they thought that was the best consumer experience. but then simulators happened, so consumers could then get the same quality fitting from a big box as they could at a golf course.

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      Will

      10 years ago

      Ping is the one he is talking about. I know for a fact they do free fittings and refuse to sell clubs from their corporate location (I believe that was covered in MGS’s visit to their facility).

      The other two would have to be Titliest and Mizuno. I think. Certainly not Taylor Made or Calloway. I don’t think Nike, Adams or Cobra would qualify either. Process of elimination leaves those 2. They also have slow, dependable release cycles.

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      Bob

      10 years ago

      You certainly covered a LOT of stuff in the article and provided some great insights. I found it interesting that companies putting you in the most stress are also the ones strong arming you the most. One thing you didn’t cover is today;s pricing of equipment. Why do all drivers for example cost $399? (at least for the first 6 weeks in some cases). They can’t all be of the same quality so herein lies some of the problem. If golf equipment was priced according to quality and a casual golfer could buy decent equipment, new, for a decent price then it would come down to customer service. No one wants to buy something at full retail only to have it go to half price in a month. Customer service is basically the only segment where brick and mortar can differentiate. I can name a local big chain retailer in my area, two actually, that does not provide good customer service defined as knowledge, a good attitude, integrity, and honesty. But if you have to push all those hats, pants, and shirts along with the clubs it isn’t as easy as it would seem.

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      terry

      10 years ago

      1, 90% (maybe more) of the drivers in the US are made in the same 3-5 places (outside the US) so they, relatively speaking, are all the same quality. And all the big boys, Callway, TM are located in southern cali because that’s where in the largest shipping port in the US is located which just so happens to be owned by China. Its all the same. the difference of quality is in the marketing. Whoever comes up with the most clever marketing campaign and whoever signs the best players wins. when you buy a taylormade driver you are helping pay for the CEOs private jet, you are helping pay for Jason Day’s jet fuel..etc.

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