Is This The Next PING Driver?
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Is This The Next PING Driver?

Is This The Next PING Driver?

PING is now the only major golf equipment manufacturer without a movable weight adjustable driver.

When generally conservative Titleist released the C16 (or the upcoming 917 for those of you shopping in the non-premium market), PING became the last of golf’s current big 5 (a group that also includes Callaway, TaylorMade, and Cobra) without a single piece of hardware in its driver heads for you to flip, twist, or rotate.

Oh, the humanity.

Depending on your perspective, that may or may not be just fine, but regardless, a newly published patent application suggests it could be about to change.

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The Abstract

“A golf club head includes a body having a heel portion, a toe portion, a sole portion, and an outer surface, a strikeface having a geometric center, a head center of gravity, and a weight member including a weight pad. The weight member is configured to be repositionable by the user to a first position or a second position. The club head having the weight member in the first position shifts the head center of gravity toward the strikeface, and the club head having the weight member in the second position shifts the head center of gravity away from the strikeface.”

Translation: The clubhead has a movable weight. When you put the weight forward, the center of gravity moves closer to the face (less spin/lower MOI). When you move the weight to the rear, the center of gravity moves away from the face (more spin/higher MOI).

You know how this works.

Two Methods for Moving Weight

The Patent Application suggests two methods by which PING might move weight around the head.

Method 1

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The first embodiment, which bares resemblance to Cobra’s FLY-Z/F6, is a flip-type weighting system, where one would rotate the weight apparatus between either the front or the back position.

The patent leaves open the possibility for the weight/pad combination to be either one or two pieces.

Either way, we’re talking about a front to back, CG adjustable, design.

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While the actual CG placements resulting from flipping the weight are unknowable without plenty of the kind of specific information that’s intentionally avoided in patent filings, the images suggest a design specification that would shift the CG from the back to the middle, not from the back to the front.

PING is a back CG company and with the exception of the Anser driver it hasn’t strayed from that philosophy. By all appearances, that won’t change with this design.

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One final note on the first embodiment; the applications mentions that the weight would sit flush with the soleplate as to not interfere with the aerodynamics of the clubhead.

Method 2

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The second embodiment offers two things we haven’t seen in the mainstream.

  1. The weight system is entirely internal. No visible weights to swap, flip, or slide. The adjustability is contained entirely within the clubhead itself.
  2. As opposed to sliding or flipping, PING’s second method involves a rotating, post-mounted, L-shaped weight. Where the protruding, long end of the “L” is positioned, so too is the extra

It’s a certainty that at least one of you will point out that others have used similar internal post weighting systems in the past, but the primary difference here is the location. Previous similar-appearing designs featured center-mounted weight. Generally speaking, the most effective weighting systems are those that keep weight out of the center of the clubhead. In that respect, this would be an advancement.

Functionally, the system utilizes a retention ring of sorts, which needs to be loosened before the actual weight apparatus can be rotated.

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The images suggest that this model would offer minimal CG movement, however, the rotating nature of the design would presumably allow for weight to be directed to the toe or heel (fade or draw bias).

As we mentioned at the beginning, PING generally moves at its own pace, and seldom if ever adds a feature just to say it did, so it will be interesting to see what sort of twist PING brings to the table.

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We can’t say with any degree of certainty that the images shown here represent PING’s next driver. It’s actually possible this won’t amount to anything at all. That said, PING has been fairly consistent with its intellectual property. What we find in a patent almost always makes its way to production.

We’re betting that’s the case here.

Have Your Say

Is this something you think PING needs to add to its lineup? Are you excited by the proposition of PING’s first movable CG driver?

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      Michael

      8 years ago

      I have been a dyed in the wool Callaway disciple, but recently tried a Ping G SF at a demon day and was surprised at how good it was. I just filed the experience away and stayed with my Calaway XHot. I then misplaced my driver and borrowed a driver from our pro shop , a Ping G SF.
      On course the Ping was better than the demo day experience, I found I drove it up to 20 mtrs past where I normally drive the ball and hit more fairways.
      My AGU handicap is 9.6 and my experience is the Ping is a very forgiving driver that is long when you put a good swing on the ball

      Reply

      Bob Boyce

      8 years ago

      Ping needs to reduce the price of their older products to clear them from the marketplace. Other vendors do it, why not Ping and Titleist.

      Reply

      Rich Thompson

      8 years ago

      Can you say Cobra copy cat (FLY Z +)

      Reply

      ryebread

      8 years ago

      Speaking of the Anser, I’d love to see that one on the MGS CG charts. It’s still got a bit of a cult following.

      Reply

      Brian Bobbie

      8 years ago

      Snead Nelson Jones Palmer Hagen never had movable weights look what they accomplished…. Perhaps we don’t need them …..

      Reply

      Martin Medingdörfer

      8 years ago

      So true! That’s the point…nobody needs moveable weight, just manufacturers tell us, we NEED it…and so many believe…

      Reply

      Cha Halli

      8 years ago

      Just piss the cobra off and buy the ping that u really need and want.

      Reply

      Gabriel Pyatigorsky

      8 years ago

      Fly Z all day

      Reply

      Cha Halli

      8 years ago

      Everyone plays well during a practice round Mo Aney.

      Reply

      Mo Aney

      8 years ago

      Ping are pretenders Jared Rodger go with titleist. Proven quality

      Reply

      Joe Webber

      8 years ago

      And very similar shaping to K15

      Reply

      Joe Webber

      8 years ago

      Looks like Fly-Z

      Reply

      Lance Bernier

      8 years ago

      Cobra already has it at half the price. Looks like companies are getting desperate!

      Reply

      Bob Venekamp

      8 years ago

      Enough already!

      Reply

      bill allen

      8 years ago

      Unfortunately you’ll never see an end to this. It’s cheaper for the mfg to produce an adjustable club than to produce multiple clubs in different loft/lies.

      Reply

      Cary Soares

      8 years ago

      Looks like a Cobra

      Reply

      Carolina Golfer 2

      8 years ago

      I get all the Cobra comments. But I’ll without any judgement until the finished product is released. It may not be anything revolutionary, but it is new for PING.

      Reply

      Michael Whiteside

      8 years ago

      Copying cobra

      Reply

      George Pooney

      8 years ago

      Its a dragon fly Turbulated FLy G

      Reply

      Jared Rodger

      8 years ago

      Cha Halli Mo Aney Michael Humphreys pings next driver is last years cobra…

      Reply

      Ben Clabaugh

      8 years ago

      The next one after this will have turbalotors.

      Reply

      Matthew Cowell

      8 years ago

      It reminds me of the cobra fly-z+.

      Reply

      Levi Carter

      8 years ago

      Looks like they’re trying to copy the cobra driver.

      Reply

      CJ Leonard

      8 years ago

      Exactly what I thought.

      Reply

      Tider992010

      8 years ago

      Looks like a Fly Z + Ping Driver

      Reply

      Edgewood Rich

      8 years ago

      Hitting fairways and good feel Still found in used club rack with the Anser and those funny + or – adjustments!

      Reply

      Guanto

      8 years ago

      I actually lol when I read the first few paragraphs. It’s got to be embarrassing for ping putting this out and being so far behind in movable weight. It looks exactly like the fly z+ design and they got to have some better ideas then this.

      Reply

      Bob Gomavitz

      8 years ago

      No Turbulators

      Reply

      Jhay-Ar Benesa Cabusca

      8 years ago

      I saw Cobra Fly Z+ on that image. CG front and back.

      Reply

      Cace Smith

      8 years ago

      Cobra FlyZ+ replica

      Reply

      Paul Taylor

      8 years ago

      So it’s a cobra?

      Reply

      Steven Lonie Todd

      8 years ago

      Looks just like the cobra flyz

      Reply

      Guy Crawford

      8 years ago

      Looks a lot like the Fly Z Plus

      Reply

      Eric Kelso

      8 years ago

      Cobra??

      Reply

      G25

      8 years ago

      Looks to me like the second design is a retrofit of the G25. Buy this plug to add weight adjustability to your existing G25, G30, or G. For only $89.99…

      Reply

      Christian Veit

      8 years ago

      Fly Z copy

      Reply

      Taylor Henderson

      8 years ago

      Wishon had something close to option 2 a while back

      Reply

      John Maskal

      8 years ago

      Wishon has had most of the “revolutionary” designs . Lol

      Reply

      Keith Barker

      8 years ago

      A Mizuno with Taylor Made then Ping on it

      Reply

      Mason Wroten

      8 years ago

      It’s actually a Callaway, with a mizuno, with a taylormade, then ping on it.

      Reply

      Steve

      8 years ago

      Good god, all the Ping smarts left to PXG and now we’re left with ex TM designers and bad irons and drivers. Poor Ping!

      Reply

      Mike Mueller

      8 years ago

      Ping is the “Apple” of the golf industry. Late with technology but it’s perfected.
      Last to incorporate adjustable hosel.
      Still no movable weights.
      Etc

      Reply

      Bob Gomavitz

      8 years ago

      How about last to go to metal woods!

      Reply

      Mike Mueller

      8 years ago

      Haha that’s a fact! I still have a set of eye2 OG woods laying around somewhere

      Reply

      Fran Cabello

      8 years ago

      Cobra fly z + copycat

      Reply

      Mike Riches

      8 years ago

      Exactly

      Reply

      Jeff Moore

      8 years ago

      They need a driver with cg forward

      Reply

      Mike Mueller

      8 years ago

      LS TEC. it’s been out over two years.

      Reply

      Jeff Moore

      8 years ago

      Yes you are correct

      Reply

      MyGolf Spy

      8 years ago

      LS Tec is more forward that G or SF Tec, but it still qualifies as a back CG design.

      Reply

      Mike Mueller

      8 years ago

      True. However the spin rates are comparable if not better than cg-forward clubs such as the SLDR, and is WAY more forgiving

      Reply

      Jeff Moore

      8 years ago

      That’s what I was thinking thanks for replying doesn’t Taylormade make the most forward cg drivers but they are not that forgiving

      Reply

      David Moore

      8 years ago

      The m1 driver with the weight pushed forward is just ridiculous.
      Have a go and report back to me the amount of spin you get ?

      Reply

      Jeff Moore

      8 years ago

      Done tried it not a fan my jetspeed blows it away

      Reply

      Mike Mueller

      8 years ago

      David Moore 2300. 2370 with the m2 and the m2 is softer and more forgiving. Cheaper as well, with more shaft options.

      Reply

      Jeff Moore

      8 years ago

      Thanks you MyGolf Spy I have tried a bunch ping is definitely forgiving and I really like the looks of the 915 d2 but thought it is a high spinning driver you definitely have to loft up on TaylorMade and hit the sweet spot

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      Jeff Moore

      8 years ago

      I agree I have heard good things about the M2 just hope it doesn’t feel like the M1 it feels like a brick

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      Mike Mueller

      8 years ago

      No the M2 is a lot softer. Truth be told I can’t stand taylormade. (Preference) but I have an m2 in my bag. It’s an absolute beast.

      Reply

      Jeff Moore

      8 years ago

      Thanks for input I have always played TaylorMade in the past but last couple of years they have not been very good is the stock shafts any good in the M2

      Reply

      David Moore

      8 years ago

      Mate it was a joke I was having a laugh ??
      I see the numbers everyday

      Reply

      Jeff Moore

      8 years ago

      Ya the m1 feels awful didn’t like it at all

      Reply

      Jeff Moore

      8 years ago

      I have heard good things about the xr16 as well

      Reply

      David Moore

      8 years ago

      When u say it felt awful were u getting fitted at the time ?

      Reply

      Jeff Moore

      8 years ago

      No I was just in the store and hit it a few balls with it do you recommend a driver or brand to try thanks I know not buy fitting trumps everything

      Reply

      David Moore

      8 years ago

      Generally if the store would want to order stock in M1 they would order firmer lower torsion shafts because the type of player the would fit for that driver would be above 100 mph. Hence why it probably felt a little harsh in the hands for you. Send me a message if u like mate, I’ll have to ask you a few questions I can recommend a few.

      Reply

      MyGolfSpy

      8 years ago

      With back CG you get higher MOI, higher launch, and higher spin, and higher closure rates. Forward CG you get lower launch, lower spin, less forgiveness, but potentially higher peak ball speed due to the CG’s proximity to the impulse line/neutral axis.

      Reply

      Mason Wroten

      8 years ago

      Yeh because that worked out sooooo well for the SLDR driver…?

      Reply

      Benjamin Berry

      8 years ago

      Hmm, a Taylor Made with Ping written on it…

      Reply

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