MGS Labs – The Wedge Sole Test
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MGS Labs – The Wedge Sole Test

MGS Labs – The Wedge Sole Test

I recently conducted a wedge grind test in conjunction with PING. The objective was to see if there is any credence to the idea that higher handicap golfers would improve wedge performance when using more bounce and a wider sole, while better golfers would perform better when using less bounce and a thinner sole.

One of the challenges that many club fitters face is that, as a matter of practicality, testing often takes place indoors or off an artificial surface. Much of my early wedge testing has been off mats or even tees to ‘clean-up’ the strike and I’ve come to learn that in the real world, outside on real turf, the results are often very different.

As a result, we decided to test a range of golfers on a finesse shot off real grass. After each shot the golfer offered their feedback based on the quality and feel of the strike.

Test Overview

  • The test involved three wedges, all with the same grip, shaft, length, lie and weight:
    • A – 58º prototype Glide 2.0 wedge with 6º effective bounce
    • B – 58º prototype Glide 2.0 wedge with 10º effective bounce
    • C – 58º prototype Glide 2.0 wedge with 14º effective bounce
  • 18 participants of various ability levels (0-20 handicap)
  • Each tester hit 8 shots with each club with the required objective of carrying the ball 25 yards to a target on flat ground
  • The test was conducted off real grass using preferred lies and Callaway range balls
  • Participants were not informed of the differences between the clubs

Test Process

  • Each player hit four shots with each club and then repeated the sequence
  • Each club was properly cleaned with a wet towel prior to the start of the test and after the player had hit four shots with each of the clubs. The player was allowed to wipe the face with their hand or shoe between shots, but was not permitted to use a towel other than before the test or after shot four.
  • Each player was asked to rank the quality of the strike (not the result) from 1-4 with 1 being “I couldn’t hit it any worse” and 4 being “I couldn’t hit it any better.”
  • Scores were tallied for each club. At the end of the test each player was asked which wedge they would prefer and why they preferred it.
  • Data from each shot was collected using TrackMan 4.

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What did we learn?

  • Having the golfer rank the quality of the strike for each shot offered interesting insight into what the player felt about the shot beyond simply assessing the launch monitor data.
  • Quality of strike feedback was reasonably well distributed, with the thin sole being rated highest by 8 testers compared to 5 each for the standard and wide soles.
  • Players gave varied reasons for choosing their favorite wedge. Some golfers based their choice on the quality of strike, others on the observation of ball flight, while many used looks as the deciding factor.  Interestingly, despite identical weights across the wedges tested, a number of the golfers referred to the perceived heavier weight of their favorite club as the justification for their selection.

quality of impact score-by-golfer

  • The player’s assigned score for quality of strike was a much better indicator of which club the player would choose to play than any of the standard performance characteristics.
  • Twelve of the eighteen golfers chose the club with the highest quality of strike score as their favorite. The next-best predictor was consistency of ball speed.
  • Contradicting the conventional wisdom, there was little to no correlation between handicap or attack angle and the chosen wedge sole at the distance we evaluated. While many of the steeper players seemed to choose standard or wide sole, the correlation wasn’t strong.

Spin Rates: Clean vs. Dirty

spin-rates

  • Since we had the data anyway, we also looked at the average spin rate on the 1st and 5th shots, where the club had been cleaned and dried versus the 4th and 8th shots where in general the club was less clean. The difference in spin was significant for all 3 clubs in the test and on average was between 15% and 20% higher when the club has been cleaned.

The Take-Away

I’d encourage all golfers to go through a wedge fitting where they hit a variety of different grinds off real grass and qualitatively rank the strike on each shot.

Additionally, ensure to evaluate wedge performance at different distances and under a variety of conditions (sand, rough, tight lie, etc.)  The different distances recommendation isn’t born from this test, but it’s always a practical piece of advice. It’s important to consider different trajectories and distances too. This qualitative approach appears to match the golfer with the right club better than any performance-related metric.

Finally, please remember to keep those wedges clean and dry. Your spin rates will drop significantly if you don’t.

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      Bill

      5 years ago

      Did I miss it…how does wedge A, B, C March with TS, SS, WS?

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      Jeremy

      5 years ago

      Thin sole, standard sole, and wide sole.

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      Dave

      6 years ago

      I’m confused, I thought the article was about the sole design. I know Ping used to do heel grinds etc. through their fitting department. Now they only do it on their Glide wedges. When I tested the G series wedges they all had high bounce but were hard to lay open. Be neat to see that article with the new Cleveland CBX wedges.

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      Deadeye

      7 years ago

      Here in Texas we get lots of hard pan lies so a thin sole low bounce wedge works well there. I carry a 50 and 56 deg Taylormade ATV (all terrain versatility) and a Ping 60 deg thin sole 6 deg bounce. The ATV wedges are wonderful. If you have not tried one you should. There is a slight advantage to the Ping on very thin lies. What I find makes a huge difference in results is where on the face you make contact. I am not consistent but if I hit 3 grooves up center face that works best. Regardless of the bounce or brand of wedge nothing will replace lots of practice and consistency of contact.

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      Bart

      7 years ago

      I see Art didn’t take the hint earlier. Still posting mindless negative dribble.

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      Bill

      7 years ago

      I didn’t see anything about performance out of sand! I use my 54 and 58 off the fairway, out of the rough and out of the sand. Is more bounce better out of sand?

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      Jim

      7 years ago

      Is there any intent to follow up this study with a similar study method like your previous research with Ping on putters? (http://mygolfspy.com/mgs-labs-fitted-vs-non-fitted-putters/) where as you show golfers are utilizing the wrong type of bounce/sole designed and they overall improvements utilizing your stroke gain statistical analysis as data representation?

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      FyearoldGolfer

      7 years ago

      Wedges, narrow sole with reduced bounce for thin sand and hard pan courses, Increasing sole width and bounce angle for moderate sand depth and moderate rough, widest sole (70’s era Sure Out, any MFGR with a very wide sole) for deep sand and thick, high rough. Have collected all lofts, bounces, sole widths over the years for various courses I have encountered. Clean every club after every shot, always.

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      BIG STU

      7 years ago

      Pretty good written objective article if you ask me. I do like the fact about effective bounce. Most Folks do not know the difference between the bounce number printed or stated on the club from effective bounce. On different bounce needs it all has to do with a persons AOA.

      Whome ever it was talking about Seve I think you meant to say 12* of bounce on the 56 which is wrong anyhow. most of those guys in those days carried the famed 1958 model of Wilson SW which I have 2 of and they are around 8* of bounce. BTW The famed Cleveland 588 series of wedges were a refined copy of the 58 Staff wedges that is where 588 comes from 58 from the Wilson and 8 as in 8* of bounce

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      Art

      7 years ago

      Big, if you ask me, I’ll agree with you. It’s a great written objective.

      It’s the absence of evidence and support of that objective that makes this article garbage.

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      Wedge Expert

      7 years ago

      Actually, the original Cleveland wedge model numbering system was based on which model it was and the year it was released . In other words, the 485 was the 4th model released in 1985. The 588 was the 5th model in 1988. The 690 and 691 were versions of the 6th model released in 1990-1991 and the 797 was the 7th model released in 1997. The old 588 56* was a 14* bounce sand wedge.

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      Dave

      7 years ago

      Where in the hell would I find a 56 degree with 2 degree bounce. Really need one for the bunkers I play out of. Not much sand mabey 1 inch then clay .

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      Al

      7 years ago

      The original Cobra Trusty Rusty Tri-Bounce wedges are what you would want. They were made in lofts of 49, 51, 53, 55. 57. 59 and 61 degrees. You can lay these wide open to bring the bounce to a minimum. Unfortunately, they are used but can be found mostly on ebay.

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      Dave S

      7 years ago

      Had high expectations for this piece, but there’s not a lot of real groundbreaking info in here. Where’s the data comparing how player subjectively ranked their shots vs how the actual shots turned out? What about objective quality of shot for each grind by handicap level? Everyone knows that a clean wedge spins a lot more than a dirty one… There was so much data that could have been gathered here…

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      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      First, let’s draw a clear line between the data that was gathered and the data that was presented. Those two values aren’t remotely the same.

      You assume everybody knows that a dirty wedge spins less, I guarantee you that’s not the case. But more to the point, did you previously know how much less a dirty wedge spun on a 25 yard shot?

      As for subjective vs. actual – I agree, that’s potentially interesting, although I suspect it might reveal the disconnect that we know exists between actual and perceived performance. With that said, what’s your metric in this case to determine best shots. I suppose you could replicate with a target hole, but otherwise, is it launch, is it spin, carry, or perhaps the consistency of any of the three?

      My larger point is that this test was conducted with a specific purpose and that purpose was fulfilled. Whether or not PING and Andrew does more or shares more from the data is totally up to them.

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      Art

      7 years ago

      Tony, why would you allow Andrew/Ping to author an article that states a specific objective, and then let them skirt addressing that objective?

      And do either of them REALLY need our help in choosing a metric in evaluating performance regarding handicap and bounce? Maybe you could help them out with your strokes gained expertise, if they are lacking??

      Bob Pegram

      7 years ago

      Why not measure results rather than the opinions of the participants? The actual results are way more important than the guesswork of golfers.

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      Mark Liquorman

      7 years ago

      I think both are needed. It would be interesting to compare the qualitative opinion with the actual results. That is, do most golfers “like” a wedge that in fact produces better or worse results for them?

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      Kenny B

      7 years ago

      THE TAKE-AWAY
      I’d encourage all golfers to go through a wedge fitting where they hit a variety of different grinds off real grass and qualitatively rank the strike on each shot.

      WHERE can you go through a wedge fitting off real grass??? I didn’t even have that option at Ping HQ.

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      Art

      7 years ago

      Kenny, there are plenty of places, at least in Colorado and Arizona, where you can find on-grass fittings. Including Ping HQ. Make friends with a local Ping representative and see if he or she can’t help you.

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      Kenny B

      7 years ago

      Places here in E. Washington just laugh at you when you ask to hit off grass.

      Upandown

      7 years ago

      Wow!!!!

      How many of you use Callaway range balls when you play golf? Bet the answer is zero.

      How many of you clean the club face and groves between shots? The answer should be 100%! But I will bet it is not 100%. I play with 22 and he goes weeks with out cleaning them and then wonders about his lack of spin.

      This was a bad test design and I expect better for MYGOLFSPY.

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      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      Noted. I’ll be sure to let PING know that you have some ideas for how they should design their tests.

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      STICK

      7 years ago

      Agree with Ryan. I have an old KB 1V tour spin 60 degree with 1 degree of bounce. Great for muni courses with about 1/2 inch of raked dirt for sand traps. Also great for flop shots with thinnish lies over trouble, Does not raise the leading edge up too much.

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      Joe D

      7 years ago

      What’s the best way to keep the faces clean during a round? I carry a towel, but water is not always handy. Keep a bottle of water in the bag?

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      Jim

      7 years ago

      Soak one end of your towel with water before you tee off and that should last most of the round (I use a Frogger towel which you can use with one side wet and the other dry). Also I use a small cleaning brush as well for those difficult grooves. Clean grooves really makes a difference once you do it.

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      Raymond CHASTEL

      7 years ago

      Severiano BALESTEROS was the best player ever to exit sand traps :he could put the amount of spin he wished to stop the ball on a dime close to the hole ,when he didn’t hole in.
      He could play any loft of iron out of the sand .
      He used low bounce wedges exclusively .
      If you look for feel and spin ,the low bounce wedge is a must

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      Ping Pro59

      7 years ago

      Not totally accurate he used a Wilson Staff Dyna Power that has 12 degrees of loft early in his career, then in the mid 80″s used a Ping Eye 2, most notably in the 86 Masters

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      Jose

      7 years ago

      The true value of a high bounce SW is appreciated when playing out of sand bunkers. There are too many different lies and attack angles to glean the value of bounce for chips and pitches, but if you’re not using a wide soled SW with at least 12* of bounce, you’re making the game much more difficult.
      As a habitual dirty face hitter, the data reported on wiping the face clean was very valuable.

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      Ryan

      7 years ago

      This is of course assuming that your bunkers have enough sand or are soft enough to get underneath the ball. Many muni courses don’t. I found that my sand play got much better when I went to a lower bounce wedge because I could skim easier through the sand.

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      Greg

      7 years ago

      I too had to go to a low nice SW after joining a club that has notoriously hard and thin sand traps. My wide sole high bounce wedge was terrible in those conditions but the new low bounce wedge is amazing in those conditions. I keep the old wedge for when I play in more standard bunkers.

      Art

      7 years ago

      The second sentence of this article clearly states the objective of the wedge test, and I don’t see a clear answer regarding that objective.

      Did I miss something?

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      Todd V

      7 years ago

      I was thinking the same thing, objective was not clearly discussed for results.

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      Jim

      7 years ago

      Pretty clear to me. They said there’s little to no correlation between handicap and wedge performance in this test.

      Art

      7 years ago

      Jim, would you care to help us out and point to where you found performance metrics?

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      Tony Russo

      7 years ago

      Would like to have seen the breakdown by hcp, as well as the end results (proximity to the target) .

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      Al Shoemaker

      7 years ago

      I carry one thin and one wide for different lies. Easy peasy.

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      Jonny B

      7 years ago

      Agree. I carry two 58* wedges for exactly this reason. One with low bounce, one with high bounce. My lie dictates which one I use. I use these both from 100 yards and in for a variety of shots.

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      Hardcore Looper

      7 years ago

      Same here. High bounce 56, low bounce 60

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      Al

      7 years ago

      A higher handicap golfer wouldn’t carry a 58* wedge.

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      Walt

      7 years ago

      I am a high handicap golfer and I carry a 64 degree wedge.
      Practicing with it and knowing when and when not to use it comes in handy as well. I love it.

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      Al

      7 years ago

      Be proud, you’re the only one.

      Uhit

      7 years ago

      I still carry a 64* wedge…
      …and it is still the club that saves my butt.
      Still far more important for me, than a driver.
      I would love to see a 64* Cobra PUR wedge.

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      Josh

      7 years ago

      Bend one to 64 then.

      Jim

      7 years ago

      Maybe the better way to say it is that a higher handicap player would be better off not carrying a lob wedge and instead learn to chip better with their other wedges and irons. I remember reading that a long time ago and it has proven true for me as I’ve gotten better. Too many golfers immediately grab the lob wedge and chunk it, or come up really short, rather than chipping it close to the hole.

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      Al

      7 years ago

      My point, exactly!

      Peter

      7 years ago

      V-Sole is the best, no worries about all that bounce stuff especially for 99% of players. First Eidolon, then SCORE and now Hogan wedges…

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      Ben Smith

      7 years ago

      I tried the ben hogans thinking great wedge at affordable price (this is when they were bankrupt) and couldn’t get the damn thing to perform. Horrible spin, couldn’t control trajectory, couldn’t work the ball, chunk or skull. Hated them. Couldn’t get rid of them fast enough. I spin the ball like hell l, I can hit virtually any shot (obviously not the first time every time or I’d be playing on tour) but I’m good okay and the hogans didn’t suit me at all. I feel they’re geared towards a sweeper slider swing and are best for those who don’t practice a whole lot. If you have scratch wedge skills you’ll want heal and toe relief and some bounce options low medium and high. Just my opinion is all. But I’m firm on this. I can’t seem to find a single top player using a hogan edillon or scor wedge.

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      Alex

      7 years ago

      I’ve been playing the Cleveland RTX3 with V sole (like my Srixon irons), 58 with lowest bounce, 6 deg. Excellent wedge. Open it up a touch and it bounces under the ball on almost any lie. After much experimenting, I’m still surprised how well it plays off very tight lies. As for the V sole, I can’t remember the last time I hit a fat shot with the wedge or irons. Excellent sole design. Never did like how Vokeys played or felt. Over rated, imho.

      Kenny B

      7 years ago

      I agree. Love my SCORs. All conditions, no problem.

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      Dave Conner

      7 years ago

      It’s all about feel !

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      Richard

      7 years ago

      Would liked to have seen inputs on the Ping ES sole which was reportedly a takeoff from the older Eye2 wedges.

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      Gary

      7 years ago

      it appears lower bounce means higher spin rates? Did you consider that?

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      Golfer

      7 years ago

      That would make more since, because the thinner sole would allow the wedge to sink further into the ground, thus creating a steeper attack angle and more spin.

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      M

      7 years ago

      Steeper angle of attack doesn’t equal greater spin. Narrow spin loft helps create the juice.

      Donald Brenda Stage

      7 years ago

      wide wedges and long irons, skinny scoring clubs

      Reply

      Charlie Weeks

      7 years ago

      Clean those clubs

      Reply

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