Mizuno RB Tour/RB Tour X: Does The World Really Need Another Tour-Level Golf Ball?
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Mizuno RB Tour/RB Tour X: Does The World Really Need Another Tour-Level Golf Ball?

Mizuno RB Tour/RB Tour X: Does The World Really Need Another Tour-Level Golf Ball?

There are fundamental truths in this world one can’t really argue with. One of those is if you want to play golf, you’re going to need golf balls.

Let’s pause and allow the brilliance of that observation sink in.

Another fundamental truth is where there’s a need, there will always be battalions of people with machinery making stuff to fill that need, troops of marketers convincing you you can’t live without it, and a cadre of salespeople making sure you buy theirs. Case in point – hit the PGA Tour SuperStore website and you’ll find 321 different ball offerings from which to choose. Sure, some are colored variations of each other, but the list doesn’t include Direct-To-Consumer brands such as Snell, Vice, Cut, and others, nor does it include the Bomb Cyclone of golf balls – the Kirkland Signature.

One last fundamental truth: while a handful of choices is good for a consumer, an avalanche of choices can be overwhelming, leading to one of two things: blindly picking the leading brand because it’s safe (well hey there, ProV1), or sticking with what you’ve always used, AKA: maintaining the status quo.

It’s why market shares don’t flip flop overnight and why changing buying habits is a long term – and often costly – proposition.

With all that as a backdrop, the question of the day is simple: does the world really need another Tour-level golf ball?

Mizuno seems to think so.

Forged Urethane?

“We were waiting until we had something unique, a different story we could tell,” Chris Voshall, Mizuno Golf Brand Manager, tells MyGolfSpy. “Our whole thing is we weren’t going to bring something out until we had that.”

That something is two Mizuno balls new to the North American market: the RB Tour and RB Tour X. And before you ask – no, the golf balls aren’t Grain Flow Forged.

What might be news to some of us in North America is Mizuno isn’t new to golf balls – the company has been designing and selling balls for over 15 years in Japan and, more recently, Europe. But Mizzy’s first North American foray is very much the result of Nike’s demise.

“These are being made by Feng Tay out of Taiwan,” says Voshall. “They have expertise in manufacturing premium urethane golf balls, and they produced all of Nike’s premium balls.”

In no way should you leave this article thinking these are old Nike balls repackaged with the Mizuno name on them. Far from it, says Voshall.

“We wanted to utilize their mold making and production capabilities to go along with the research and development we created. This is all stuff that was developed by Mizuno while utilizing their materials expertise.”

So what makes the RB Tour so unique that Mizuno would finally take the premium ball plunge?

Cone Dimples, of course. 

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Kind of a Drag

Golf Ball 101 says golf balls have dimples to reduce drag, which allows the ball to pierce through the air and delay speed loss during the journey. Dimples also determine lift, or how high the ball flies. Shallow dimples give you a higher flight while deeper dimples create a lower flight. Lift and drag go hand-in-glove, and finding the right balance is one of the factors that determines distance.

For the RB Tour/RB Tour X, Mizuno developed a unique dimple geometry – what it’s calling the Cone Dimple (or C-Dimple) – which minimizes drag while maintaining a requisite amount of lift.

“We would make different dimples and test them in our wind tunnel,” says Voshall. “Lift and drag go hand-in-hand, so for someone to say we’ve minimized drag but still have plenty of lift – there’s some bullshit in there because they go together.”

The Cone Dimple itself is like an inverted, truncated pyramid. The bottom of the dimple flattens out sharply and abruptly compared to a traditional round-bottom dimple. Those sharp angles create additional trigger points where air flow starts to detach and becomes more turbulent. Since turbulent air flows faster, drag is reduced, and the ball won’t slow down quite as quickly. The longer you maintain ball speed, the longer the ball will stay in the air.

“Our big thing was could we minimize draft more than we affect the actual lift performance?” says Voshall. “With the Cone Dimple we could see through wind tunnel testing the drag is slightly lower compared to lift as we go through different speeds and different spin rates.”

What does all that mean in non-engineer speak? A ball with a flatter, more piercing trajectory that still has plenty of distance due to its ability to maintain ball speed longer.

Longer? Sort Of

So, will you hit this thing a ton longer off the tee? Voshall offers a refreshingly frank answer.

“With driver distance, we haven’t seen any big change because spin rates are already relatively low,” he says. “What ours is doing is flattening out, but that flattening out is kind of paired with an overall lower peak trajectory, so it’s a wash in terms of distance.”

Mizuno’s own testing and 3D simulations against the usual suspects (ProV1, ChromeSoft, Tour B, Srixon, etc.) showed a lower trajectory with virtually the same carry. While initial velocities were identical, Mizuno says the RB Tour balls showed higher velocities at peak height and at descent. The real performance difference, says Voshall, will be found with irons, particularly mid- and long-irons.

“With irons, you’ll tend to get more carry due to that reduced drag just because of the more penetrating ball flight,” he says. “What we’ve seen in our testing is slightly faster velocities due to reduced drag and slightly longer carry, because reducing drag is going to affect a higher spin rate more than it would a lower spin rate.”

Based on ITR Launcher tests (the same test and testing equipment used by the R&A and USGA), Mizuno also found its RB Tour balls will have slightly higher spin rates compared to the competitors, which helps create the additional carry.

“When you get into these premium golf balls, you’re really splitting hairs on a lot of things,” admits Voshall. “But the thing we want to point out is the measurable difference we’ve been able to from having more detached trigger points and more turbulent airflow due to the Cone Dimples.”

We’ve stated it many times before, but it’s a message that can’t be worn out by repetition: OEMs are happy to share their own internal test results with us, but we’ve never seen any OEM test results in which the OEMs product doesn’t outperform its competitors.

Facts. Figures, Pricing

The RB Tour and RB Tour X are virtually identical balls, with the only difference being compression. Both balls have the same dimple pattern and Cone Dimple geometry, as well as the same 4-piece construction with a urethane cover, ionomer mantle layer and a similar dual core with graduated firmness made from Butadiene rubber.

The RB Tour is the softer of the two, coming it at a compression of 93, while the RB Tour X compression is 110. Virtually every OEM with a standard and an X model follow the same compression recipe. In simple terms, higher compression equals more ball speed, and lower compression equals less driver spin. When it comes to fitting, Voshall says if you’re a low spin player with a positive angle of attack and you’re not going to get damaged by having more spin, take the X every time.

“You’re going to get free ball speed due to higher compression,” he says. “If you battle flight, if you already spin a lot and any more spin will be detrimental to your distance, then the RB Tour is going to help you more due to reduced spin. The lower compression, while it does equal lower ball speed, also equals lower driver spin.

Cosmetically, the RB Tour features black numbering and lettering, while the RB Tour X features Mizuno Blue numbering and lettering.

Mizuno introduced the RB Tours at the PGA show and started shipping them to retail earlier this month. Voshall admits the question of whether the world really does need another Tour-level golf ball weighed heavily on its sales forecast.

“We estimated about 60% of our national accounts would bring them in, and maybe 30% of off-course accounts would bring them in,” he says. “Those numbers have been blown away. Every national account took them in, which surprised us to the point where we’re basically already in back-order.”

“It’s a good problem to have.”

The RB Tour and RB Tour X sell for $42,95/dozen and are available at retail and on Mizuno’s website.

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      Scott Bailey

      4 years ago

      I’m a mizuno guy, played mp irons, multiple sets, and love their new driver. So naturally I went for their ball to try. I loved everything about it, seemed like a solid competitor to my Srixon Z stars. However, where I noticed the huge downfall for these balls was in their cover durability. I went through 2 sleeves of balls in 1 round (no didn’t lose them in woods, or hit trees, or hit cart path) due to chips and slices on the covers to the point where I determined them unplayable. I don’t need anything else working against me. I’m a 12 handicap, regularly shoot 78-82 consistently. For the price it just didn’t make sense. I have since moved to AP2’s and am playing Srixon Q star tours, yes I said it Q star tour. For the price, performance, feel, and durability, I don’t think I will ever switch, unless I get my hands on some kirklands ha! Just my opinion and anecdotal evidence, I would not go from a comparably priced top level golf ball to this one. Any responses or questions are welcome! Thanks, keep up the great work!

      P.S. VICE and Cut golf balls are sold at TARGET lol. Don’t know if I’m late to the “not direct to consumer party” or not.

      Reply

      Doug

      5 years ago

      Being a Mizuno homer, I bought a couple of sleeves of both to try. Haven’t gotten to the course with them yet, but I have been working them both putting and chipping, and on those two levels, they feel very similar to the Chrome Softs and TP5’s that I like. I really need to see how they do off my irons, because that’s the place I’ll really “feel” them.

      Everything equal, the only thing is that I can still get last year’s TP5s and Chrome Softs for quite a discount in price than current run, so I wouldn’t run out to get more of these anytime soon, but I’d consider it price being equal. Then, there’s also those original run K-Sig Tour Performance balls that I love at an even better price, but they’re getting harder to find new, and they’re getting more expensive in the process.

      Reply

      Divot

      5 years ago

      well they can easily penetrate the market if they want to take some risks. actually there is not a lot of risk as its already been proven in the market

      1) send the balls to mygolfspy and do a head to head test
      2) Sign an agreement with Costco and distribute at a lower price point (basically take a smaller margin but higher volume
      3) sell through golf stores at a lower price
      4) advertise, advertise, advertise

      Already been done and freaked out Titleist,

      Reply

      sean

      5 years ago

      I think 1 makes sense. But correct me if I’m wrong, Mizuno plays the premium brand in the market place. This is spelled out in their “we don’t pay guys to play our clubs, they play them because they are the best”…. That’s market leadership with premium products.

      Signing deals at costco, cutting price points and advertising all go against the Mizuno way.

      Reply

      Mike

      5 years ago

      “With driver distance, we haven’t seen any big change because spin rates are already relatively low”. So these balls won’t help me off the tee but I’ll gain, what 2-3 yards on an 8-irons? Hey, (ball) competition is always good, but I’m probably not going to dump my existing stock of premium balls just to buy these. But always interesting to read about this stuff.

      Reply

      Chadd

      5 years ago

      More premium balls is always better. More competition means more choices. Competition means better technology, better prices, basic economics

      Reply

      Bagger

      5 years ago

      Wilson had the truncated cone dimple design decades ago…

      Reply

      Beefhouse

      5 years ago

      Every interview I see with Chris Voshall he is refreshingly honest. But I don’t believe his heart in the Mizuno change of direction. Personally, it annoys me that Mizuno doesn’t just concentrate on making amazing irons (and wedges that live up to their irons) but that’s probably just me.

      A more immediate concern is the huge running bird logo on these balls- Mizuno is pushing this hard (at the expense of the much better looking (in my opinion) Mizuno ‘M’). It seems to me that will be no good when you have that huge ugly thing pointing in the opposite direction to your club path on the fairway.

      By the way I’ve played Mizuno balls here in the UK and found them to be very spinny and short… designed for the JDM player.

      Reply

      Mark

      5 years ago

      Being a Mizuno gamer (MP irons and TP wedges), I bought 2 sleeves of each model and tried them out last weekend. The Tour ball was a little mushy for my liking but the X felt great and performed well under windy and fast conditions. It flew as advertised – lower, penetrating ball flight with good distance on long shots and enough spin around the greens to make it work. The X will be my new gamer which has replaced my former gamer (the market leader). BTW – I played 17 holes with the X and it’s still looking brand new, so no issues with durability. Thank you MGS for this informative article.

      Reply

      Gus

      5 years ago

      “Tour Level” ?
      What tour?
      Has it (or any Mizuno ball) ever been played on any tour?

      Reply

      Andrew Han

      5 years ago

      Kind of like, has any pro play Vice Pro or tour player play Snell MTB?

      Reply

      Christopher

      5 years ago

      Couple of staffers use them on the Asian tours.

      Reply

      Funkaholic

      5 years ago

      Tour is a moniker applied to all high compression, multi-layer, urethane balls not, balls played on tour. All manufacturers use it, not all of them pay players to use their balls on tour. Tour players play what they are paid to play or at least what they get for free.

      Reply

      Simms

      5 years ago

      Set price of $42.95, here we go as usual no one can sell them for $35.95 if they wanted to. So amazing, I like the one where everyone is selling out prier generation PROV’s for $39.99 and on one can charge $34.99…golf the rich man’s sport.

      Reply

      BOB

      5 years ago

      You can buy 3 dozen Srixon Z Star personalized with 1 dozen free all year round. If you do the math that’s $30 per dozen for a ball that is second worldwide in tour wins. If that’s still too rich for you try the Q Star Tour with the same deal, $22.50 per dozen. Still too expensive? How about Soft Feel for $15 a dozen on the buy 3 get 1 free deal. I know other companies do this too….

      By the way, do you stand at the Mercedes dealership and complain their cars are too expensive? Or do people on here just like to complain about golf?

      Reply

      Caroline

      5 years ago

      Funny we bought a Mercedes and went to 4 different dealers and got 4 different prices all with same MSP on them….we also play golf and 4 different golf stores still sell PROV’s the same price….seems someone missed a point another was making,,,THAT POINT BEING GOLF OEM’S CONTROL RETAIL PRICING TOO MUCH….

      Tom

      5 years ago

      Well, Dean Snell pulled the curtain back and found Oz pulling everyone’s strings. He offers his top if the line MTB balls direct to the end user at a price and quality that just can’t be beat. Dean knows golf balls.

      Reply

      Stump

      5 years ago

      While the Snell balls may match the ProV, they are made in China and the ProV are made in the USA. I’m not saying anything about quality, I’m just saying I will buy based on location if I can. I do not play the ProV, but I do play a US made ball.

      Reply

      Tim

      5 years ago

      Good! This is good for the consumer (generally). I work in the consumer goods industry. I know this story all too well:

      When variety increases; (when the shelves are stuffed with a wider variety of items), and demand stays the same, competition heats up. Manufacturers reduce prices, both everyday and promoted. Falling YOY volumes drive sales VPs to make this happen. They also push internally for more innovation, smaller margins, lower prices. People work late nights and weekends trying to come up with something better that can be made better, cheaper.

      The downside: Things get ugly. 1) Retailers run ranking reports and slough off the slowest items. Sometimes these slower items have cult consumer followings. 2) Often enormous ‘pay to stay’ type contracts are arranged by the biggest manufacturers. Massive funds are expended on maintaining shelf space. This all hits the bottom line and must be made up somewhere else, this often results in cheaper and cheaper materials / reduced product quality. Production gets moved to poorer and poorer countries. The products from the biggest manufactures are the only ones on shelf. E-commerce eventually dominates. Golf balls will also start popping up in odd places. Walmart, CVS etc.

      Reply

      Ray F

      5 years ago

      So is it “hand in glove” or “hand in hand”?

      Reply

      Rich

      5 years ago

      Another already crowed market promising long and soft but the price is key for me $40 bucks plus into the $50 area “the game isn’t really changing just the names” .. Drop the price so the avg guy can afford to play.Why isn’t more into 3 layer cheaper balls with urethane covers. Wilson has introduced the Professional 3 piece urethane ball but it’s still too costly. 3 or 2 piece with urethane cover ball that won’t break the bank would be nice..

      Reply

      Rocket

      5 years ago

      There are some affordable 3-piece urethane balls on the market. The Q Star Tour retails for $30 a dozen, and sales and buy 3 get 1 free deals are quite common ($22.50/doz). The Top Flite Gamer is just $20 a dozen at Dick’s. And if you’re really looking for value, the Kirkland Signature 3-piece urethane is just a buck a ball when buying a 24-ct box.

      Reply

      srooch2

      5 years ago

      But wait…. I thought Nike balls were made by Bridgestone? So now Mizuno balls are made by Nike? So Mizuno balls are made by Bridgestone?

      Reply

      Thomas A

      5 years ago

      Mady by Feng Tay, in Taiwan, as the article says. Not unlike most running shoes are made in the same Chinese factory. They just switch out the materials and lasts between Saucony, Brooks, New Balance, etc. Most of the EVA foam is developed by one manufacturer in China, but they do it to each company’s spec.

      Maybe the first few years of Nike balls were made by Bridgestone, and maybe their tour only balls. Nike balls, if you ever bought them, had ‘made in Taiwan’ stamped on the box. I don’t recall ever seeing ‘made in USA’ on an Nike golf ball box.

      Reply

      srooch2

      5 years ago

      It was a mere poke at all the people who made a big deal that Bridgestone made Nike balls at one point. I understand how manufacturing works.

      Mike C.

      5 years ago

      Saw these at PGA show. Bought a dozen. Loved everything EXCEPT first one cot like a balata. Probably my last dozen

      Reply

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