NY Post Paints a Grim Picture of TaylorMade’s Business
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NY Post Paints a Grim Picture of TaylorMade’s Business

NY Post Paints a Grim Picture of TaylorMade’s Business

TaylorMade has an Epic Problem

A few days ahead of the release of the adidas-Group’s 2016 annual report, Josh Kosman of the New York Post has offered up a brutal and likely accurate look at the state of the TaylorMade Golf Business and its potential sale.

I would encourage you to read the article in its entirety, but here are a couple of the key points from the Post’s story.

  • TaylorMade is losing an estimated $75-100MM per year.
  • TaylorMade’s annual sales are just a bit above $500 Million today.

Kosman’s loss figures are close to what we’ve been told. $75 million is certainly a solid ballpark 2-year average. Despite a fair amount of cost-cutting measures, TaylorMade is deep in the red, and that’s still not sitting well with adidas shareholders.

The Post’s numbers suggest that TaylorMade is roughly 1/3 of what it was at its peak. That’s not entirely true. The $1.7 billion total includes both TaylorMade and adidas sales, while the $500 million is an estimate of current TaylorMade-only sales. It is estimated that TaylorMade accounted for more than a billion of that $1.7, so we’re still talking about a rapid and substantial decline. More bad news; the reality is that TaylorMade is unlikely to do another 500 million in sales this year. That’s due in no small part to stiffer than ever competition industry-wide, and particularly from Callaway.

One of Kosman’s sources describes Callaway’s Epic lineup as “a big threat to TaylorMade.” That’s understating the severity of TaylorMade’s Epic problem.

In January, not only did Callaway overtake TaylorMade as the #1 driver brand on the market (on/off-course USA dollar sales), it also disrupted TaylorMade’s decades-long reign as the #1 Metalwood brand (combined on/off-course USA dollar sales of drivers, fairways, and hybrids).

To the average golfer, that may sound like a small thing, but that #1 Driver, #1 Metalwood stuff isn’t just at the core of TaylorMade’s identity. It is TaylorMade’s identity.

The company has continued to claim a #1 Driver position based on PGA Tour play, but that metric doesn’t put money in the bank the way retail success does.

Who is TaylorMade as a golf company without the best-selling metalwoods on the market? That’s a difficult question.

The January sales data hit TaylorMade with such force that its legal department felt compelled to send Callaway a preemptive letter; presumably in an attempt to lay some ground rules for how Callaway can and cannot market its new position.

Let me repeat that. Preemptive letter. TaylorMade actually sent Callaway a warning before it had time to create its first #1 Driver in Golf ad.

Let’s call that what it is: BUSH LEAGUE. It reeks of desperation.

If that’s any indication of TaylorMade’s operating plan moving forward, Callaway is going to need a significantly bigger mailbox. The sources we spoke with, including both industry insiders and retailers, told us that Epic is currently outselling M at a rate of between 2 and 3 to 1.

Keep in mind, January’s report includes less than a week’s worth of Epic and M sales, so by the time the February report is released (mid-March), the expectation is that Callaway will have opened up a sizeable lead in both categories.

In response, TaylorMade will likely do what it has always done; pull resources from its other lines – irons, balls, etc. – to try and regain control of the driver (and now the metalwood) category.

The likelihood is that any maneuvers that don’t involve deep discounts will have about as much impact on sales as the recent Tiger Woods signing. That is to say zero. And that doesn’t bode well for TaylorMade’s potential sale price.

As Kosman points out, potential buyers must now weigh the impact of Epic against TaylorMade’s ability to generate revenue. This new reality will assuredly drive down the sale price even further.

As recently as last week it was suggested that adidas would be lucky to get 120MM for its struggling golf brand, and the longer this plays out, the lower the price is likely to tumble. We could be looking at a war of attrition of sorts, where potential buyers hold firm on lowball offers while waiting to see if adidas will ultimately capitulate for the purpose of getting TaylorMade off its books.

That could prove to be the best-case scenario for TaylorMade.

The most damning, though admittedly speculative, quote from Kosman’s article is this:

Adidas needs to find a buyer for the golf equipment brands in the next three months, or it will likely have to either shut them down or keep them in house and work at reducing losses, sources said.

There’s some room for interpretation here, but one read is that if adidas isn’t able to sell TaylorMade, it will have to clean up the mess on its own. That means substantial cuts and likely the trimming of unprofitable product lines. The alternative, Kosman suggests, is a complete shut down the golf equipment business.

Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that, and for what it’s worth, a recently distributed internal TaylorMade memo has stated in no uncertain terms that the company has no interest whatsoever in shutting down the TaylorMade business. Doing so wouldn’t make much sense.

When golf companies struggle, we don’t always consider the trickle-down impact. While there may be some beneficiaries (direct competitors), any downsizing of the TaylorMade equipment operation will have measurable consequences, as it did when Nike left the equipment space, for shaft companies, grip companies, and other ancillary partners you may have never considered. And of course, there’s TaylorMade’s labor force too.

These are unpleasant realities within a larger unpleasant reality. The golf equipment industry is larger than what is sustainable in the current market.

There’s still some downsizing to be done. Exactly how much remains to be seen.

UPDATE: The original text of this article was updated after we were made aware of an internal TaylorMade-adidas document that explicitly contradicts the NY Post’s suggestion that TaylorMade could be shut down. The original text was also updated to reflect the fact the Post’s 1.7 billion figure represents sales from TaylorMade, adidas-Golf and other golf-related businesses, while its current sales number of $500 million is based exclusively on TaylorMade Golf sales, 

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      Mark

      7 years ago

      AFter reading all these comments I think it only fair to explain that as a retailer, Callaway is not following TM’s gameplan. Yes, a new driver every few months, but in fairness different catagories. Right now I have a 349, 399, 499 driver in my shop from them. Oh thats right, all the old ones are gone because unlike TM, they didn’t flood me with old merchandise to net me down, they cleaned up the mess and I no longer get a rep to call and say, I have a 100 pack of drivers that you can sell for a 100 bucks and then you pay 93ish and we will rebate you next quarter with free product. Callaway learned from the mistakes of TM. This doesn’t mean they wont go the same route, but as of now they are not following the game plan. I don’t have any 100 dollar callaway drivers in a wrapper. They are far more retailer friendly than TM was. Just the 2 cents of someone who has been in the retail golf industry for 16 plus year.

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      John A. Schwerdt

      7 years ago

      The slow unraveling of Callaways well devised plan to make their clubs more of a mainstay in the bags of both American and international golfers alike was a train moving in slow motion straight towards the foundation of Taylormades 10+ year success; “the #1 driver in golf.” And there wasn’t a lot TM could do about it. The release of the M series was a very strong counter-move, particularly its success on tour with completely undeniable results. Callaway made an identity shift last year that brought the edge back to their line, both with a new technology and in its name “Epic.”

      If you ask me, and from what other MGS golfers have pointed out I’m not alone on this boat, Callaway has over-saturated its driver offerings by a metric ton. 5 models in one year which is 4.5 too many per year in my personal opinion, and I say this not because I play or even prefer brands that release on a bi-annual basis (PING, Titleist), but it makes good business sense and it’s a method of success for several top manufacturers that have not seem to have taken a strong shift up or down in the market but have always remained present, and sustainably successful.

      My thought in Callaway’s favor regarding this seeming “over release” of new equipment is that much like the clear and concise planning both in marketing and manufacturing/R&D, is that they intentionally released numerous clubs in one year, not all the same but also not 100% dissimilar,to get a markets researched feel and understanding of what characteristics and lines of clubs that are more successful for them within their newly hatched identity. Less successful, or overly similar lines can be scrapped so long as you keep what the players want. In doing that Callaway could be successful in upcoming years by taking that knowledge and returning back to what the norm for their releases were 10 years ago and become a steady force in the market that remains constant. Release Just enough clubs within no less than a year’s cycle to keep all demographics of your customer base happy, from scratch golfers to the high handicap player, and no more. Nothing kills a golfers spirits more than seeing the driver he maxed out his Visa to get 2 months ago, just to keep up with the Jones’, be marked down to $149 six months later. Take the most efficient and popular technologies and exert a quality over quantity approach.

      It will be interesting to all involved in the business, from the upper office holders of the companies, to John Doe that goes and buys an Epic driver at Golf Galaxy tomorrow with a shaft that is too stif, the people that work in the plants of the companies, and even to the people that buy and sell stocks within the golf industry.

      Do I think this is anything radically different than anything that’s happened before within any given decade of the post world war era of the manufacturing and marketing of golf equipment? Nah, we now just have the tools to communicate it. I do believe both companies will come out alive.

      Naturally within a day of the thought coming to my mind about the future of TaylorMade MGS delivers the latest source material, and unbiased golfer’s outlook regarding such. Always appreciated by all!

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      Eric MacKinnon

      7 years ago

      All of this goes to fueling the concept of planned obsolescence. My new computer is already out of date the day I buy it. With products coming on a 6-month, 1-yr, or a 2-yr cycle, it doesn’t matter about what’s “now” because in just 6 months or a year, something new and improved will be out and so will the marketing arms of the divisions.

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      Steve S

      7 years ago

      I must confess, I don’t care…..about the companies. I do care that people are losing their jobs. Such are the risks when you work in an industry that is about free time/entertainment. Tastes and wants change with generations. That being said I will test the Epic driver against my gamers (Rocketbalz and 2007 Burner Plus) If it gets me 20 more yards(doubtful) then I’ll think about taking out a loan.

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      Rod

      7 years ago

      I wondered why TM signed Tiger, instead of trying to build on their stable of new and current winners. Everyone knows of Tiger’s physical problems, so his past performance, although impressive, isn’t as much in the public eye as his painful inability to get back to his former winner’s image. For example, Rahm, among several of their current up and coming young stars, could have been projected, for TM’s marketing purposes. Tiger, as great as he once was, seems to be more of a drain on their finances, than as a current asset. Most of us know that, when he was in his winning ways, Tiger used to be affiliated with the now practically-defunct NIKE brand, so his new association with TM seems almost meaningless. My take on this.

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      Joe

      7 years ago

      With all of this talk about TM over saturating the market, why does it seem like Callaway is getting a pass on doing the same thing??

      5 driver models last year – Fusion, XR, XR Pro, BB, BB Double Black

      Something tells me they might be headed for the same fate as TM in the next few years.

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      Joe Bannister

      7 years ago

      There = their … but you keep acting smart Mr. Hamilton.

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      Justin Taylor

      7 years ago

      TM sound like they are still sorting out issues and repurcussions from the old model of saturating the market with to many new releases. The changes they have made with less releases is positive but obviously not seeing the benefits of that just yet. Doesn’t look like a sellable company on paper at the moment. I think Adidas will more than likely need to keep reworking the model till it becomes profitable and then maybe sell it then. Who knows really. Didn’t see Nike pulling out of the market but they did. Golf is a game and that will always survive. Arnold Palmer and Ben Hogan were two huge iconic product brands in the 70s and 80s and they have gone, as have many other name brands but golf survives.

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      Scott

      7 years ago

      Okay, okay, all you golf lovers out there. Everyone just needs to relax. I just finished reading through the comments, and nothing is really mentioned about the golf equipment industry as a whole. Sure, TM is struggling. Well, five years ago we had all but buried Callaway, now they make the most “Epic” club ever, and are now the king of the mountain. The reality is the golf industry is flat to down every year. I have worked for both TM and Callaway, and I can assure you the message is the same in both buildings…”the industry is flat to down every year, but your sales number will go up 10%-15% every year. The only way to make a number is to take the floor space of a competitor.” This caused the small guys to shrivel away into nothing (i.e. Orlimar, Nickent, Nicklaus, etc). Only the big boys, who could afford to market their products, were left. Don’t confuse the industry with an industry that is “growing”. In the golf equipment industry there is no growth, only SHIFTING. The shift has moved to Callaway. Nike left, so some of the market shifted to others, TM, Callaway, PING, Titliest, Cobra, Mazuno, Wilson, etc. Everyone got a little bump, but the business did not grow. The rogue look of PXG marketing would leave a consumer to believe there is room for a new guy on the sales floor, because the industry is growing. Not True! Now, don’t cut my head off for saying this, because I could be wrong, but I would be shocked if PXG is even making a dent in market share. They can sign all the “named” tour players in the world, but their product offering is too small and too expensive to even worry the likes of Callaway, TM, Titliest, and PING (clear leaders in hard goods). In fact, I would say PING and Titliest are probably the closest to doing it right. They keep doing what they do best, balls (Titliest) and fitting, and are satisfied with the ebb and flows of the industry. They have good years and slightly down years, but never panic years. In the 15 years I was a sales rep for TM and Callaway, I never heard the harsh complaints about PING or Titliest. Sure you hear Titliest is stuck-up and elitist, and PING is ruthless with enforcing pricing policies, but they are protectors of the equipment business. But, you never hear they are launching too many products or forcing product down the throats of Green Grass shops or Off Course Retail stores to make a number at the end of a quarter or year. Even with Callaway launching the “ProV” killer in the Chrome Soft ball, no panic, no price drop, just business as usual for the guys in the white coats. There will always be shifts in the golf industry. This current shift may simply allow Callaway to claim “#1 Driver” position, and for some group to buy TM at a remarkably low price. But, then some bright kid, who might be in high school right now, will come up with some great way to market an old idea as new, and boom, the shift will happen again in 10 years. That is why we love this game and the equipment we use. We love the shift! I guarantee some of you who are cursing the name, TaylorMade, once cursed the name of Callaway. It will happen again…but not to PING or Titliest.

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      MIke

      7 years ago

      It started during the M. King era pushing product and it final caught up to them about 2 years ago and spiraling down. It is going to be hard for TM to find a buyer at a premium price. Callaway was in trouble about 8 years ago for about 4 consecutive years until Brewer came on board which started turning the company around. Callaway has been coming out with product pretty fast hopefully they will not become the new TM.

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      Wayne J Bosley

      7 years ago

      Callaway have benefited from this demise but even their share price and Titleist’s is softening as the bumper profits of old will not be there as the rules of golf have totally limited REAL innovation in the equipment sector.,,, plus who really needs a new $500 + driver that is not really better,,,

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      Joseph Gunerman

      7 years ago

      MyGolf Spy have you done any recent testing with Titleist? I had to switch out of their spinny short woods years ago – by far the least played woods on the smaller tours where nobody’s getting paid to play anything… and I recently did a ball test and the ProV1x is the worst ball on the market by far, non comparable to the TP-5x. I want Titleist, who went off the deep end years ago, to start getting the criticism it deserves as it went from the go-to equipment for good players to by far the worst

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      Large chris

      7 years ago

      Comedian

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      Matty Boy

      7 years ago

      I’d say the comments are surely a little exaggerated, but the truth is Titleist has been slipping for a while. Since June of LY Chrome Soft has been the number one unit seller of Off Course golf balls. Most of the reason Titleist still maintains their on course success is the exclusivity deals it has. A lot of that is changing though so it might not be long before that changes as well. Performance and price are definitely starting to trump marketing and loyalty.

      Phil Morin

      7 years ago

      Double edge sword for consumers, on one hand if you pay 400 bucks for a driver and boom here comes another one in six months, that sucks. However knowing whats to come is not gonna be much better just stay behind the curve and pick up equipment brand new at half the price simply by waiting…

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      Eric Coe

      7 years ago

      No new driver should be more than $299!

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      Eric Coe

      7 years ago

      Always been a Taylor Made guy. Hit the Epic at a golf show. It’s a cannon!

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      Glenn Batchelor

      7 years ago

      I am still pissed they bought out & destroyed Adams Golf. Will not buy a club from them.

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      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      This is largely a myth. Adams had big-time financial issues. Ultimately adidas/TaylorMade didn’t do the brand any favors, but without the adidas buy, Adams probably winds up as a zero R&D big box house brand anyway.

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      Richard Martin

      7 years ago

      I’ve tried a number of their clubs over the years and have never been able to hit them. Never liked the feel of them.

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      BB

      7 years ago

      I have been on the retail side of this business for over 20 years. Taylor Made has consistently been the worst vendor as far as customer service to the accounts when it comes to credits and net downs. They deserve this plunge. Signing Tiger Woods.. Idiotic!

      On the other hand, Callaway is following along.. stating 2 year product cycles but, offering multiple models scattered throughout the calendar.

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      Fran

      7 years ago

      No sympathy here for TM. They’re responsible for putting Maxfli club division out of business along with Adams Golf. They bought Adams because they couldn’t make a better hybrid and decided to just buy them out and then let them whither until they died. What goes around comes around.

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      Anthony Hargreaves

      7 years ago

      Bring one new driver a year out not one a month ??

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      smackmyhead

      7 years ago

      Please educate yourself before posting. M1 was out for 15 months and M2 12.

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      Ernie Mangus

      7 years ago

      TM chose to be the biggest equipment maker, and not the best. They make a good driver but the irons are lacking and wedges aren’t very good(only MY opinion) for the price charged. Many companies make good products, have good marketing, and win tournaments. Ping, Titleist, and Mizuno all care more about quality than quantity and it shows.

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      Tom Berglund

      7 years ago

      How many drivers does callaway release a year? 8!!!!!

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      Frank Tomasik

      7 years ago

      They are the #1 driver on tour because they pay the lower ranked and desperate players big $$$ put them in their bag every week.

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      Leo

      7 years ago

      Lower ranked players Such as?

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      Ty

      7 years ago

      Can someone tell me how many wins Epic has on either the European or PGA tour in 2017? TaylorMade’s M family has a bunch of wins already… let’s talk about performance…

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      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      I suppose you can make that argument, but I want to make sure you do it with the understanding that TaylorMade is basically the only company that does driver-only staff deals. Nearly everyone, if not EVERYONE who tees up a TM driver on Tour is getting a tee up bonus, a finish bonus, or both…and that’s before we talk about the guys who have driver only ‘staff deals’. At the tour level, any manufacturer can provide *performance*, TM is just more willing to pay than everyone else.

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      ty

      7 years ago

      I beg to differ, even though the cash is always brought up. I know other manufactures are willing to pay guys too. Lets not forget where most Nike Players gravitated towards last year when they were all free agents and could play any product they wanted. No cash was involved then? Victories are victories and TM are still dominating in that space!

      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      Differ all you’d like, but it doesn’t change the facts. Titleist spends big to put their golf ball in Pro bags. TaylorMade does the same with the driver. So yes, while many Nike guys did gravitate to TM drivers, they were almost certainly getting paid on a week to week, non-contract basis. TaylorMade pays for the play with the driver, because winning driver counts (and laying claim to #1 Driver in Golf) is core to its business. This is not in dispute.

      I think any rational person would agree that while victories can help drive sales, wins are attributable to the player, not the driver. That said…of course TM has more victories…it’s simple math. The company pays to have significantly more drivers in play each week.

      And with all of this said, nobody is questioning the performance of TaylorMade equipment. It’s really good. The financial situation, however, is not.

      Leo

      7 years ago

      Apart from pga tour. I know for a fact that the other tours don’t pay the pros to use the woods. The fact that the woods count is easily 50% and above for the Asian tour and lesser known tours within Asia with most users not on any contract totally contradicts what you are saying. Pga tour is not the only tour in the world. Just the most lucrative.

      Gab285

      7 years ago

      Unfortunately the Taylor Made business model is broken. Paying guys on tour huge amounts of cash isn’t worth it when the golf market is so some compared to other sports.

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      Carson Joens

      7 years ago

      Their problem is that they create some of the lowest quality equipment (other than drivers) on the market, and expect to compete. There is a reason Tiger refused to use any of their irons, because they are all cheap POS. Quality is noticed and there is a reason sales go down and a brand like PXG which although is expensive, the quality and performance shows people its worth. There is no worth in a Taylormade iron anymore.

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      Michael Gill

      7 years ago

      I guess some of the top players in the world would disagree.

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      Carson Joens

      7 years ago

      Look at the actual irons they use. Prototypes, not what you and I can go buy. It’s all custom stuff for them. I am talking irons, not woods.

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      Leo

      7 years ago

      Still melted metal made in China.

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      Dan

      7 years ago

      I’ve always liked TM and would hate to see them sink. Everyone remembers that they may not have invented the metal wood but, they sure put it on the map. We need TM and Callaway and Cobra and Srixon, etc. to encourage competition and innovation. I wish TM good luck in turning it around.

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      Brad Litwin

      7 years ago

      I never jumped on that bandwagon. .. never could hit the m1 or m2 when i tried them out

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      Stevegp

      7 years ago

      Great article! Thanks.

      It seems that Callaway is running on the same formula as TaylorMade.

      Will this be another example of “Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it?”

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      Christopher Hamelink

      7 years ago

      I told my boss when taylormade started shipping us massive quantities of equipment and adidas apparel that it feels like they are dumping product to reduce inventory and give the appearance of increased sales it was an attempt to bolster numbers to help with the sale of TM. Our callaway demo day out sold the TM demo day 5 to 1. Our customers who try both usually see significantly better numbers with the epic line of woods. The steelhead irons are wildly popular too. Better performance for the same price…its that simple IMO. Our philosophy is we give customers clubs from all the companies to try, find what they like, then we fit them up. We dont push one brand over another. That can just call your integrity into question.

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      Rich

      7 years ago

      When your on top there is only one way to go! TM’s latest is less that a stellar stick. Running out of time it appears. TM looks like it was not that great of a deal getting TW on board. How long will be until Callaway takes the top spot ?Take a look at other models ? Wilson has been steady and climbing with their Triton Driver, V6 irons, New Fg Tour ball . They are as good as any and beg to be noticed , you will be very surprised. .

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      Jim Dusbiber

      7 years ago

      Oh boy…

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      Kevin Syring

      7 years ago

      It’s amazing how a publication can come up with numbers that are so false. Taylor Made actually made a profit in 2016. If you look at these numbers, the $1.7 billion they did in 2013 was Taylor Made, Adams, Ashworth and Adidas combined. The $600 million that they say was for the first three quarters of 2016 was just Taylor Made. How can they compare numbers when they are not even including the same brands!
      As far as Epic being the #1 selling driver at retail, It should be noted that Epic was released prior to M1 and M2 in 2017…

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      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      Starting with the fact that both Epic and M hit retail January 27th, nearly everything you’ve said is incorrect. It’s basically undisputed that TaylorMade is operating at a loss in 2016. The warm and fuzzy estimate (the low number/best case scenario) is a 20 million loss. I’d be shocked if it’s less than 40.

      I’d encourage you to read Chad Mardesen’s comments. I believe his numbers are spot on.

      Full year financials go public in a couple of days. We can talk about this again then.

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      Mike Mack

      7 years ago

      Mr Covey, I’m not sure who you are, but I assume you are a journalist. Your article appears to have a motive, to make one golf company look bad, while attempting to make another look great. The picture you paint of TM is not news. Anyone in the industry knows they have struggled the last couple years, much by there own decisions. We will know shortly how 2016 was, but to paint the company that has made the best driver in the industry for years, as a failing company is Irresponsible journalism, and shows your ignorance. I would like to debate with you some of your information, and opinions, but as I have been in the business for 40 years, giving lessons, fitting clubs, and growing the game in many ways, I don’t think you are qualified to have that debate. I would suggest you should keep your articles to positives, as the industry is struggling enough, it doesn’t need your help to make it worse.

      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      Mike – In the interest of full transparency, perhaps you should have disclosed that you are a founding member of the TaylorMade-adidas Presidential advisory board, and as such, have a bit more skin in this particular game than the average bear.

      Should I also assume that you were in the room this week at Pebble Beach as David Abeles put his particular spin on the state of the business? Is it fair to say that your sources are likely interested in painting a particular picture, while mine tend to focus on the cold realities of the numbers?

      Beyond that, I would never assume anything about your personal knowledge and qualifications. I wouldn’t presume to tell you how to do your job, and I certainly wouldn’t call you ignorant without actually getting to know more about your perspective. All I would ask of you is that you extend me the same courtesy.

      I’m happy to discuss this story, or anything else for that matter, but I’ll need a personal email address, not your proshop’s.

      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      I will say that you do raise a valid point about the points of comparison in total sales. The 1.7 billion number would have included TaylorMade, Adams, adidas, and Ashworth, while the 500MM is just TaylorMade.

      That said, the 9 month report which shows close to 700 million in sales also includes adidas. Estimates I have from reliable sources say that’s about 45% adidas Golf. That puts TM alone at -/+ 350MM going into Q4 (which is generally weakest quarter for golf). Allowing for some rounding in either direction, I think the 500MM is solid.

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      Bob

      7 years ago

      Gents,

      As much as I enjoy the two of you going back and forth you are forgetting one simple truth:

      IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY TO BE A SUCCESSFUL GOLF EQUIPMENT COMPANY

      Spending $1 billion to make $1 billion doesn’t make a company successful does it? Unfortunately that’s the business we are in. Just ask Nike and Adidas. They are leaving golf because they found out the hard way the cost of doing business in golf.

      Here’s a link to some Titleist financial statements:
      http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/GOLF/financials

      Is taking a loss on 1.5B in sales make you the most successful company in golf?

      We all have our biases but at the end of the day this is an expensive industry to be a part of. Just ask Callaway how much they spent to make their new driver so “Epic.” I bet they are about 100,000 drivers away from breaking even.

      Bill jr

      7 years ago

      Boy, does Callaway got you guys by the nuts or what? I always seem to forget how credible the New York post is to lol. Keep thinking I’m reading blog posts from TH P not Mgs. Everything offends you guys if it’s not what you believe on top of it. Keep it up! Enjoying it.

      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      There’s always at least one guy…I’m enjoying it too!

      NY Post…it’s like the adage from every crime drama ever; you can’t choose your victim. I would have preferred the NY Times (or are you more an info wars kind of guy?), but the reality is that other than some questionable year over year math (Subtracting estimated 2016 TM sales from 2013 TM-adidas sales), the numbers are spot on with what we’ve been sitting on for the past few weeks.

      As for Callaway – yeah, recent stories paints them in a good light, but the market share numbers are real – and you have to admit, TM sending them a preemptive letter is some of the weakest sauce you’ll see from a supposed industry leader. There’s an inherent lack of integrity with how TM conducts itself these days, that bugs me.

      THP jokes aside right now, Callaway is one of the few positive stories on the big OEM side. At least it’s doing something fresh…and while it’s not setting the world on fire, within the confines of the golf equipment world, it’s working (kinda). If it stops working, and they fail to adjust, we’ll write those stories like we always have.

      It’s true…we do get worked up, and we’re not always nice, but at least we’re consistent.

      Bill jr

      7 years ago

      No, i just consider the new york post more tabloid then reality. Otherwise I think your response was fair. Take care

      George Hanson

      7 years ago

      The numbers in the NY Post were a joke from the get-go, YET sites like this one and many others just RUN WITH IT saying “sales were $1.7billion and are now only $500million, a drop of 70%”…OMG!

      Those numbers are completely illogical and a drop of that magnitude would have been noticed looong before the NY Post story hit the tape.

      Now cue the “updates”…gotta start covering the old hiney. Tony, Adidas posts quarterly and FY financial statements on their website going back many years, have you examined them? If so, before or after you started this post?

      These are the TaylorMade-adidas sales figures since 2013 —

      ’13 = €1.285b
      ’14 = €913m
      ’15 = €902m
      ’16 = €924m (est)

      Tony, do some work pal, NY Post is making you look bad.

      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      George, Pal, I did my homework. I’ve been writing about this for 2+ years.

      First…I’m not sure by what measure you think the drop has gone unnoticed. It’s been a topic of discussion for the better part of 3 seasons now, but I’m happy to show my work. But man…TMaG is on it’s third CEO in just a bit over 3 years. You think that happens when everything is going swimmingly? If you’re just hearing about it for the first time, that’s kinda on you.

      As for the math:

      1.285b Euros…that’s your 1.7 Billion US. That number includes sales from TM, adidas Golf, Ashworth, and Adams. adidas didn’t break out these business units at the time, however, the insiders we’ve spoken with put the TM-only contribution to that total at a bit more than 1 Billion. As I stated in the update to the article – the 500 Million is the estimate of 2016 sales (TaylorMade only – that’s important).

      Now it’s possible this number will come in a bit higher because TaylorMade shipped most of its 2017 product in December. That will help the Q4 and full year numbers, but will make 2017 Q1 more difficult. Chances are it won’t matter as the company will likely be sold before those numbers are released.

      As I said when we issued the update, the Post compared all of the TMaG empire’s 1.7b to TM only’s 500m. That inflates the difference and yes, I will fully own up to not catching it immediately, but we’re still talking about a ~500 million drop in TM-only sales between 2013 and 2016. While we did add clarification, note that we did not change the numbers, and that’s because we had the same numbers well before the Post story hit.

      In 2015 TaylorMade (again, just TaylorMade, not TaylorMade + adidas Golf) lost in the neighborhood of 100 Million. The 2016 loss will likely come in between 40 and 50 million (with the frontloading of 2017 product, 40 may end up being the reality). I can’t predict how visible this will be in the annual report because again, TaylorMade and adidas-Golf have traditionally been combined. Last year’s report did provide some breakdown (more or less confirming the 100MM loss), this year may or may not be different as the companies are now operating largely independently.

      As you’re reading that statement (due out next week I believe) looking for ways to discredit this report, please pay attention to any distinctions between TaylorMade and TaylorMade-adidas Golf. I’m telling you it’s going to be damn close to 500 million in sales with a 40-50 million net loss.

      The good news: The R&D team is still world class, the company is trending in the right direction, and the projection is the company will be profitable in 2017. Whether that’s under new ownership or as a leaner adidas company remains to be seen.

      George Hanson

      7 years ago

      “George, Pal, I did my homework. I’ve been writing about this for 2+ years.”

      The amount of time you’ve been writing about it is not relevant to the issue of doing the work, and clearly you have not done the work.

      “First…I’m not sure by what measure you think the drop has gone unnoticed. It’s been a topic of discussion for the better part of 3 seasons now, but I’m happy to show my work.”

      There’s a big difference between participating in an industry wide fall-off and sales and the false claims of a 70% DROP AT TAYLOR MADE, a false assertion that you wholeheartedly propagated.

      “But man…TMaG is on it’s third CEO in just a bit over 3 years. You think that happens when everything is going swimmingly? If you’re just hearing about it for the first time, that’s kinda on you.”

      King was promoted. Sharpe got unlucky and took the reins at jut the wrong time. Abeles inherited a mess. As such there’s been 1 change at the CEO level to try to stem the tide, not the 3 that you try to use as a smokescreen to CYA. Nobody said everything was “going swimmingly”, clearly it’s not, but again the issue is you fanning the flames of a 70% DROP IN SALES when the dimmest of dolts knew those headline numbers were complete BS.

      “1.285b Euros…that’s your 1.7 Billion US. That number includes sales from TM, adidas Golf, Ashworth, and Adams. adidas didn’t break out these business units at the time, however, the insiders we’ve spoken with put the TM-only contribution to that total at a bit more than 1 Billion. As I stated in the update to the article – the 500 Million is the estimate of 2016 sales (TaylorMade only – that’s important).”

      Doesn’t matter what your insiders say, always have to compare apples-to-apples. The fact is you took the NY Post’s 70% DROP IN SALES numbers and ran with them, shame on you.

      “Now it’s possible this number will come in a bit higher because TaylorMade shipped most of its 2017 product in December. That will help the Q4 and full year numbers, but will make 2017 Q1 more difficult. Chances are it won’t matter as the company will likely be sold before those numbers are released.”

      There you go whining and whinging and covering trying to cover your a** again.

      “As I said when we issued the update, the Post compared all of the TMaG empire’s 1.7b to TM only’s 500m. That inflates the difference and yes, I will fully own up to not catching it immediately, but we’re still talking about a ~500 million drop in TM-only sales between 2013 and 2016. While we did add clarification, note that we did not change the numbers, and that’s because we had the same numbers well before the Post story hit.”

      And here’s the crux of the issue…you say you have been writing about it for “2+ years” and that you have “done the work” yet you completely miss the fact that the 70% DROP IN SALES numbers are complete and utter BS…inexcusable.

      “In 2015 TaylorMade (again, just TaylorMade, not TaylorMade + adidas Golf) lost in the neighborhood of 100 Million. The 2016 loss will likely come in between 40 and 50 million (with the frontloading of 2017 product, 40 may end up being the reality). I can’t predict how visible this will be in the annual report because again, TaylorMade and adidas-Golf have traditionally been combined. Last year’s report did provide some breakdown (more or less confirming the 100MM loss), this year may or may not be different as the companies are now operating largely independently.”

      You have no idea what you are talking about it. If you had been looking at the quarterly reports all along you would have immediately picked up on the fact that a 70% DROP IN SALES was utter hogwash….yet, you missed it.

      “As you’re reading that statement (due out next week I believe) looking for ways to discredit this report, please pay attention to any distinctions between TaylorMade and TaylorMade-adidas Golf. I’m telling you it’s going to be damn close to 500 million in sales with a 40-50 million net loss.”

      A $500 million is sales number is not relevant unless apples-to-apples comps are given for prior reporting periods. Again, you WHIFFED IT on the 70% DROP IN SALES.

      “The good news: The R&D team is still world class, the company is trending in the right direction, and the projection is the company will be profitable in 2017. Whether that’s under new ownership or as a leaner adidas company remains to be seen.”

      Blah, blah, blah….

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      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      As we’ve conceded before you first comment, the magnitude of the drop was overstated. We updated and accept full responsibility being complicit in the Post’s apples to oranges comparison. The raw numbers themselves were accurate, but since once set included all of TMaG and the other didn’t, a direct comparison wasn’t valid, and I should have caught it. As soon as I did I issued the update.

      Providing you with a reason why the loss may be 40 million and not 50 is not “covering my ass” (if you’re going to make the accusation, have the stones not to censor the word), it’s explaining the reality of the situation – unless of your course you want to dispute that front-loading inventory impacts the books. I’m not making excuses after the numbers are released, I’m telling you why the projections *might* be off. So just so we’re clear on what I think (in case the opportunity presents itself for you to come back and remind me how wrong I was):

      I believe the loss will be +/- 45 million, but I would not be surprised if it comes in a bit lower because of the early shipment of 2017 M product. I think that’s a perfectly reasonable position. I’d also reiterate that front-loading will have consequences in Q1 – but the company will likely be sold before it matters.

      If TM proves profitable or posts a 20 million loss instead of 40, I’ll be the first to admit that what I had was way off. That would certainly change how I view my sources and what we report moving forward, but I don’t think that’s going to happen.

      While not directly relevant to this piece of the discussion, I also believe the report will show improved gross margins, lower operating costs, and other continuing signs of a company working its way back towards healthy. If you follow TM on social media, you can expect plenty of focus on the positives.

      Mark King – Believe what you’d like. It wasn’t a promotion. To say anything more would be disrespectful to people I deeply respect. This isn’t the place for that conversation.

      So as I’ve said previously, you are correct, it’s not a drop 70%, but George, we’re still talking about $1 billion (conservatively) in TM-exclusive sales vs. $500 million now. If you feel my mistake is inexcusable, I fully encourage you to hold me accountable by never reading another word I write.

      The blah blah blah you described, busted. That’s me looking for an upside, a ray of sunshine. And since I think TM makes really good clubs (and balls), and on a personal level, I think very highly of the TM R&D guys I know, that’s the direction I went. You got me on that one too.

      Unless there’s something else in the text you’d like to dispute, I don’t think we have anything further to discuss.

      Kiti Suwanatat

      7 years ago

      “Epic” problem? ….. pun intended? LoL.

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      MyGolf Spy

      7 years ago

      Full results will out later this week. I believe the numbers you cite are for TaylorMade-adisas golf, not just TaylorMade. Take the adidas golf (shoes, apparel, etc. ) piece out of the equation and the Post’s numbers aren’t far off from we’ve been told.

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      GOLF FOR DAYS

      7 years ago

      Adidas’ earnings don’t come out until March 8th

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      Lee Everhart

      7 years ago

      First of all thats to damn high !!!..so when it dips a little ,they go ape shit ,like chicken little,,,you just can not always climb ,,you guys need to understand pikes..

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      Shane

      7 years ago

      Hate to see a major player sinking…but on the flip side as one stated above…. TM made their bed, now they must sleep in it! And the signing of TW, dumbest move ever. But that’s just my opinion! Long live W/S!! They have done nithing but dig themselves into a big hole. What would happpen IF they make the decision Nike did?

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      Somanyindustryexperts

      7 years ago

      It’s funny. All these industry experts and no one even sees what Callaway is doing. I’m sure you all know that all the evil Taylormade guys that ran it into the ground all left and are running Callaway and running the same play book to get the number one drive through data tech. Heavy spiffing on the floor of retailers to get them to sell you on the epic. Floor people getting $30 to get you to buy that epic. $40 for a set of irons. Buying club period with $3500 checks to change staff and commit to large prebooks. 2 year cycle they claim but launch new families every few months. Kind of defeats the purpose. Flood the market with product take it all back at the end of the year and quietly make it go away. I’m waiting for someone to peel the layers back and really look hard at what Callaway is doing. It’s old Taylormade model with chips own number masking twist.

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      MyGolfSpy

      7 years ago

      Not the first time I have heard this that is for sure.

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      Mark

      7 years ago

      I would say there is a distinct difference between what Callaway is doing and What TM did. First, both spiffed like crazy 10 years ago when I was working at a Nevada Bobs, TM dumped direct spiffs last year to a quarterly growth rebate, so it amounted to the same thing. TM while they were driving sales, continued to pump the same driver in the market at discount ie the RBZ driver/fwy wood. Came to my shop and said buy these 100 packs of woods for 93 dollars a piece and sell for 100 and we will give you a rebate next quarter. Callaway does not do that. When a driver dies, they let it bleed out. Send a credit for whats on hand and move them out. Huge difference. Most not in the industry have no idea about how that worked for TM and for Callaway. Callaway learned that being dictators to retailers doesn’t work when you stop selling like crazy. Hence Callaway came in with a fresh direction for retailers and it has worked. I don’t get flooded with old product and they make sure to take care of me on what I do have left.

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      John Masi

      7 years ago

      You can bring out new equipment every few months and charge an arm and leg for it!!!!!

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      Matthew Waldron

      7 years ago

      17 yards longer…guaranteed. Bye TM.

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      Chad Mardesen

      7 years ago

      They actually lost more than $100mm in ’14 and ’15 (respectively). It’s true, ’16 does look better but with only single digit gains in sales, margins and profitability, they’ve still lost well in excess of $300mm in three years.

      This is why TM hasn’t sold yet.

      Abeles doesn’t seem like the guy (14 years with the company) to fully turn it around, in my honest opinion.

      Adidas needs to get rid of this “400 pound anchor around” their neck (their words, not mine) and soon.

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      Large chris

      7 years ago

      Although I can’t quite believe the sales figure drop quoted is strictly like for like, a major issue simply must be the cost of all their pro endorsements and tee up money.
      I dunno, Day, Johnson, Rose, Garcia, Woods (!)… Plus tee up money every time a pro uses an M2…. Tour vans… What does that all cost, 100 million a year?
      Feel sorry for the regular office staff at TM who are probably told twice a day to limit how many free cups of coffee they are allowed out of the vending machine.
      Woods????? It’s a joke right?

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      Ben Dyson

      7 years ago

      Thanks

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      Faby Poulter

      7 years ago

      Yes, they have it!!!! We can’t stop selling the EPIC ones!!!

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      Ross Johnson

      7 years ago

      Taylormades problem all comes from overproduction and bad advertising! They dominated the market with metal woods and pushed the limit. They’re constantly advertising new drivers promising more and more, but never deliver. I’d like to see them make a great iron. They need to change their selling point, and look to expand the market.

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      Robert M

      7 years ago

      THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHS!

      The situation described in the well written article above is very reminiscent of Atlantic City, New Jersey 30 years ago. At the time, gaming industry and civic leaders forecasted prosperity for the gaming resort for many years to come. These leaders included a brash Donald Trump, who, for his own protection and/or ego, even went as far as to sue a Wall Street analyst who had the audacity to forecast doom for the city’s gaming empire. This particular analyst along with a few other renegades publicly predicted the eventual failure of a bloated system that grew fat while feasting on itself.

      Eventually, as everyone knows, Atlantic City became overbuilt with temples of excess, which one by one were forced to scale back, consolidate and even close as regional competition emerged, gaming dollars flowed elsewhere and profits dried up.

      Today, as gaming thrives across the globe, Atlantic City still struggles to post profits and remain relevant. Case in point, the shuttered 2.5 billion dollar Revel, Casino Hotel & Resort which in 2012 came and went with the speed of Masters’ week.

      The moral of the story, particularly how I see it pertaining to Taylor Made and the larger golf industry, is that “those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it!”

      Good luck Taylor Made, I barely knew thee.

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      Ryan Bonser

      7 years ago

      Wow great read!
      I don’t think it will turn around soon.

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      Jeff Blackwell

      7 years ago

      I used to use taylor made driver…but now I am a calloway man…Taylor made is overrated..

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      Steven Austin

      7 years ago

      The M2 Driver is still the number one driver I have ever hit in my entire life!

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      Taylor Carter

      7 years ago

      im sorry taylor made but il never play your clubs balls because they don’t feel right to me at all for me its Callaway golf there stuff feels right to me and i can’t play anything else

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      Graham Riley

      7 years ago

      It has always been on the cards – one cannot keep pushing the boundries of ‘new’ club technologies and expect it to continue without added input from as one of the above writers said, outside designers coming in with new ideas.
      To give an insight, I approached TM about 6 months back giving them a chance to ‘look’ at 1/ some new irons, woods and a driver that is totally different from what is on the market to 2/ a new patented way of marking a golf ball that makes club face alignment easier and allows for draws, fades or straight shots to be played and easier on the putting side as well, to get this answer from TM (more or less).
      *TM does not consider any offer from outside sources due to legal constraints. We have our own in house designers working on new products etc etc etc*…………. a little too confident in their own ideas ……… or too cocky maybe.
      I might not be the best known designer around but ‘what if’ what I offered them brought something new to the game…….. did they actually loose out???? Time will tell but will be sorry to see them go.

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      Jake

      7 years ago

      “TM does not consider any offer from outside sources due to legal constraints. We have our own in house designers working on new products etc etc etc*…………. a little too confident in their own ideas ……… or too cocky maybe.”
      This is common practice, Nike does the same thing for all their product lines. In today’s age of IP protection and suits, they just don’t want to chance it.

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      Graham Riley

      7 years ago

      You are right Jake but here’s the thing………. If TM were to buy my IP, on whatever, I would get X dollars and then I would have to cede the IP to them. The problem comes in when the seller (me in this case) says pay me X dollars and I want a percentage of unit sales. That I would stay away from as well but buying it out completely once and for all……… ??? Not even prepared to talk.
      Take Dean Snell as an example. We know he has worked for TM and Titliest etc but what if he had not and then approached the big boys and told them he had these ideas and they had not listened………. even Titliest try to argue the fact, Dean had a hell of a lot of input on the ProV 1…….. I rest my case!!!

      Devon Mix

      7 years ago

      Don’t you mean the buy one get one free sale at the Superstore and Dicks? ??

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      Jordan L. Hill

      7 years ago

      Taylormade has incorporated a new business model and it’s far more affective than this article depicts.
      Yes TM use to flood the market with drivers and irons as well as change the name of their product line. However, the “M” line has changed that. The first series of “M” clubs stayed in production for over a year. They stuck with the product name and haven’t over-flooded with any pointless clubs and the replacements are actual improvements. These are huge changes!

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      Don Prete

      7 years ago

      Stop making 10 different sets a year

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      Johnny Choy

      7 years ago

      TM made their bed…now they have to sleep in it..

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      Dennis Allen

      7 years ago

      Stop tweaking. Complete rebuild necessary.

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      Matt Frenzer

      7 years ago

      That’s what they get for fucking up the whole industry. Can’t wait for their new driver that they’ll inevitably release in September

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      Christian Furu

      7 years ago

      Just make 76 more pairs of Yeezy and forget about it.

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      Robert Mignone

      7 years ago

      They bought Adams not too long ago, they should push that given the number of Boomers

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      Christopher Hamelink

      7 years ago

      They shut down production of adams clubs.

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      Jim

      7 years ago

      Taylormade failed to reboot itself with the release of the 2016 M1 & M2. They adjusted the focus to maintain prices of their drivers and refrained from the hyper release cycle they had made famous, but completely failed to change the perspective within the consumers eyes. Rebooting that imagine is the only way to save TM and return to profitability. Much like Callaway had to reinvite itself with the Big Berth releases that catapulted them to the top of the mountain. TM has always produced a quality driver, but they were an even better hype machine when they were at their best. Since they have lost that bravado they are seeming moving towards Nikes fate. To draw parallel to Nike, Nike had the arrogance that their products were great and would sell themselves and ultimately didn’t. TM is seeming following that same poor judgement. Personally a sale might do the company good and allow them to change focus.

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      d

      7 years ago

      I find it hard to believe that revenues dropped from $1.7 billion to $500 million. I’m guessing the $1.7 billion number includes golf apparel & footwear, while the $500 million is the golf equipment business that is for sale. Usually companies are valued at 5x to 8x cash flow. If your estimate of a $75 million loss is correct Adidas may be lucky to get basket of range balls for TMAG.

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      George Hanson

      7 years ago

      D, you are correct, those 70% sales drop numbers are total hogwash. The NY Post got it completely wrong and unfortunately this site picked up that fumble and speeded down field with it. Very disappointing.

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      Richard Wheat

      7 years ago

      How do Callaway shape up in comparison?

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      Ken Baker

      7 years ago

      That’s who is kicking TM ass, add Wilson to that list

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      Ben Clabaugh

      7 years ago

      Exactly. No company has the same revenues as 2005. That’s when golf was in a bubble. It bursted and the fall out has happened already. Although it would’ve been smarter if they stayed with the 15/16 M1 line to regain some loyalists.

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      Jon

      7 years ago

      A golf market without TaylorMade would be far poorer. For all the criticisms about its product cycles, marketing claims etc., TaylorMade has been one of the industry’s prime innovators. They’ve pushed forward product development and improvement and they should be praised for their investment in innovation. I sincerely hope they overcome the challenge from a resurgent Callaway. The market needs multiple successful brands.

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      Ben Goergen

      7 years ago

      That is a stunning downfall if these numbers are all true. If this company folds, I would suggest none of the upper management or marketing people put this fiasco on their resumes going forward. Im kind of baffled at how the Tiger signing plays into this. Makes zero sense to me unless it was a desperate last ditch effort to gain some momentum off his name. That backfired though.

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      Mike Trussell

      7 years ago

      TM… needs to change their business approach… good start release a new driver and irons every other year.

      Companies need to target low and midrange price points to grow the game. People are turned away because they can’t afford to dish out $500 for a new driver, $300 for FW, $200 hybrids, or $800 for a set of irons.

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      Ken Garrison

      7 years ago

      Titleist already does this. They release new irons every even year and woods every odd year. Maybe TM can take note.

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      Paul MacLeod

      7 years ago

      Titleist is a ball company first and foremost. TM can’t generate ball sales. That’s why NIKE got out.

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      Stephen McDonald

      7 years ago

      Two year cycle for Titleist

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      Chris Komas

      7 years ago

      TM putting out too many drivers too soon. When the price drops for ones that came out 4 months ago people go by that one instead of $500 on the new one.

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      Kim D. Jacobsen

      7 years ago

      Thats all in the past now. The first M1 was released in the november ’15 and the next M1 in january ’17.

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      Joey R

      7 years ago

      Except now they have opposite problem with the new “M” releases. Everyone is waiting for the price drop on the M clubs, but its just not coming. Taylormade is trying to keep the value of their clubs higher now with less releases. Unless you really pay attention the the equipment business, majority of people are waiting for the discount, no one buying TM at the premium price that PING and Titleist command.

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      Jeff Carpenter

      7 years ago

      Go check how many drivers TM released last year vs how many Callaway released and try your post again. I’ll wait.

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      Chris Komas

      7 years ago

      You obviously missed the point. Except for Titleist who is on a 2 year product cycle. Just about every other company is putting out drivers too close together. Most consumers wait until the previous one drops in price and buys it rather than the new $500 driver. Iron sets are going up in price as well. People wonder why golf is declining.

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      Berniez40

      7 years ago

      Sadly, as we all know, this a fate that TaylorMade brought upon itself with the 2-3 different premium drivers per year product cycle. Eventually they hit “The Perfect Storm” when both premium drivers turned out to be total dogs, i.e. SLDR and Jetspeed. By the time they almost single-handedly tanked “Dick’s Sporting Goods” the cat was out of the bag.
      Chip Brewer, of Adams Golf fame, had quickly outmaneuvered them again. As TaylorMade’s market share hit the skids with mediocre product Callaway’s Product had been nothing but one improvement after the other.
      –If, however, I had $100 Million to burn, or Aeroburner for the Punsters, I’d take a shot at turning this pup around. The management style isn’t necessarily about numbers here.
      If you recall, The Adams Velocity Slot Technology was built by renegade TaylorMade Designers to Whom Chip Brewer had offered top dollar to jump on his bandwagon. Tired of having to pump out design after design for a seemingly ungrateful and unforgiving Conglomerate, aka, Adidas, they were more than happy to jump ship to a smaller firm where golf was the focus and product cycles were more realistic. TaylorMade was forced to buy Adams, as the lawsuits would have been uglier than the Pro V1 Patent Suits which took years to resolve.
      As the golf gear business remains in recovery mode, slower product cycles are only natural now. The trick will be to find good club designers again, and to treat them as the somewhat temperamental Artists/Pseudo Scientists they are. A lot more nurture and a lot less bean counting may very well be their only hope.

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      Dave S

      7 years ago

      Agree with what your saying, but one correction: SLDR wasn’t a “total dog.” In fact, SLDR did extremely (and surprisingly) well. It came out right after R1 to very little fanfare and everyone thought it would tank, but it performed very well and ended up being a top seller (and an MGS Most Wanted #1 — http://mygolfspy.com/2014-most-wanted-driver-overall-awards/).

      Jetspeed on the other hand……

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      Berniez40

      7 years ago

      Yeah sorry about what may be an unfair knock on the SLDR…just more of a personal take as I could never get it to really work for me. Now the M2 on the other hand…..that is an easy club to hit. As others have said, not a hater. I have a TaylorMade Driver, TaylorMade Fairway Metals, and a Hybrid to go along with my Srixon Irons. I also bag a TM Spyder Putter.

      Ibo

      7 years ago

      That’s what happens when you release 1,000 clubs a year. The R&D, the marketing efforts, etc… everything is costly and the return is nowhere close to what it should be. I don’t see Ping struggling because their product life cycles are normal. You invest into R&D and you can push it 18-24 months later, you don’t have to spend millions in marketing trying to push yet another set of miraculous clubs on the shelves.
      Leave golf to golf oriented companies, as it’s a decreasing in interest sport.

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      Bob

      7 years ago

      Curious as to how you know what ping has done over the last 5 years? Have they lost money? How much did they make last year?

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      IBO

      7 years ago

      Bob you don’t need any numbers really. I’m assuming, yes, but there are many facts that show that Ping’s model might be less costly. First, the amount of top tier pros is minimum. Bubba and Oosthuizen, none are multimillion contracts. How can TM pay DJ, JD, Sergio and now Tiger? Between these four you pretty much cover the Ping roster. Also life cycles are good in Ping. They took 3 years to replace their blades (S55 > Iblade), 2 years to replace the i series (2015 > 2017 with the new i200) and they only added a super game improvement iron with the G max. They only have 2 lines of wedges (Glide 1.0) will soon be off shelves, and TM has 3 lines. Ping’s putters are solid since the very beginning and TM has struggled and only the Itsy Bitsy has brought some light.

      All in all, the really short life cycles, the multi-million sponsorships, the marketing efforts to put maybe 5 different clubs (targeted at different audiences) at a time on the shelves makes TM struggle. Ping (for example) keeps things simple (quit ball business in 1997!) and it looks like they are doing OK. I don’t see any Ping reps making the biggest banners just to say #1 driver in golf.

      You don’t have to look at the numbers to know Ping’s model is more sustainable.

      Jimmy Tester

      7 years ago

      Cobra is killing it these days.

      Reply

      Dan

      7 years ago

      Golfers are tired of being sold a bill of goods promising the “holy grail” of all drivers. Buying $500.00 drivers every year or two is stupid. But…..if people are going to do it there needs to be fewer manufacturers. That being said, that Epic driver is kind of interesting.

      Reply

      Alexander Swartz

      7 years ago

      Great article .

      Reply

      Mike Mueller

      7 years ago

      #punintended

      We just need kirkland to come out with drivers and they’re screwed

      Reply

      Joseph Gabriel

      7 years ago

      Exactly, Costco To the Rescue!!!!!

      Reply

      Iain Douglas

      7 years ago

      Years of mugging of consumers by constantly releasing products not that much better than there last has finally caught up with them and for the record I have virtually a full bag of TM clubs so not a hatter.

      Reply

      Andrew Accountius

      7 years ago

      Freaking well said

      Reply

      Sharkhark

      7 years ago

      Well it’s kind of like a correction in either the inflated housing markets or stock markets…

      A correction is necessary and although I see much higher prices in future…
      I also see less product launches and hopefully more substance.
      It can only be good to shrink the market it was getting out of control and only good for me the buyer who got heavily discounted stuff when they needed to liquidate several lines of equipment constipation.

      Reply

      Berniez40

      7 years ago

      Agreed!

      Reply

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