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Pros vs. Joes: What’s in the Bag (powered by Arccos)

Pros vs. Joes: What’s in the Bag (powered by Arccos)

After every PGA Tour event, golf fans can view a “What’s In The Bag” for the winner. Hyper-custom shafts and high-tech specs abound.

You can learn that Tiger Woods had a 9.5-degree TaylorMade M3 driver with a Diamana D+ White 70TX shaft when he won his 80th Tour event at East Lake. Even if you can’t relate to the specs played by the pros, you can still glean valuable information from their bag makeups.

In the latest installment of this series with Arccos, we’re looking at a WITB for amateurs and comparing it to the pros. What can you learn from the decisions pros and top amateurs are making with their 14 clubs?

Using the massive Arccos dataset – more than 100 million shots taken during nearly two million rounds – we’re able to analyze the bag makeup of a wide variety of amateur players. Arccos tracks all on-course performance data via sensors installed in the grips of clubs. The system automatically records and analyzes all of a golfer’s stats, uses Artificial Intelligence to show a personalized strategy for every shot, and leverages advanced analytics to inform practice regimens.

Analyzing full bag makeup across all user types, the most common 14 clubs for all amateurs are:

Seems fairly standard. Almost 16% of Arccos users – no matter their handicap – have this composition. Compared to the recent PGA Tour winners, the numbers are similar, but there’s variety in two key spots: the clubs between 3-wood and 4-iron and wedges.  Here are the clubs chosen at those key spots for the most recent PGA Tour winners of the 2018 season.

You’ll notice a few things right off the bat. First, there’s only one hybrid in the bunch (Keegan Bradley.) Next, there’s variety across the board in wedge composition, but there are almost always four wedges. Using Arccos data, we found that single-digit handicappers average 3.64 wedges. Comparatively, 20+ handicappers average only 3.23 wedges. This discrepancy may not seem like much, but it clearly shows that the best players – amateur and pro – lean toward having four wedges.

(One of the perks of having Arccos is the ability to easily spot underperforming clubs. A quick look at usage stats could show that you actually are hitting your 5-wood once a round but have a 30-yard gap in your pitching wedge and sand wedge. Easy fix!)

So far Arccos data has compared 4-irons and 4-hybrids, analyzed woods and hybrids for each handicap level and examined a pro’s bag makeup against amateurs. The overarching theme: decisions for each club that earns its way into your bag are personal, and you can only make educated and informed decisions through data. Knowing your shot data – club usage, proximity to the hole, Smart Distance – is available to all Arccos users for every club. Use data to your advantage and begin to see lower scores.

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Tony is the Editor of MyGolfSpy where his job is to bring fresh and innovative content to the site. In addition to his editorial responsibilities, he was instrumental in developing MyGolfSpy's data-driven testing methodologies and continues to sift through our data to find the insights that can help improve your game. Tony believes that golfers deserve to know what's real and what's not, and that means MyGolfSpy's equipment coverage must extend beyond the so-called facts as dictated by the same companies that created them. Most of all Tony believes in performance over hype and #PowerToThePlayer.

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      Vredendaal

      5 years ago

      Driver – TM M4 (9.75) – 260Y
      3W – TM M4 16.5 HL – 225Y
      5W – Callaway Big Bertha 18 – 200Y
      4H – Callaway X2 Hot 21-180Y
      5i/PW – TM Speedblade – 170/110Y
      50 – TM Speedblade – 100Y
      54 – Cleveland RTX Rotex 2.0 – 80Y
      58 – Cleveland RTX Rotex 2.0 – 60Y
      O-works #7 tank putter

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      BP Martin

      5 years ago

      55 y/o with 2.2 index:

      TM M3 Driver 9.5 playing at 11
      Callaway Epic 3W playing at 15

      PXG 3 iron with KBS TGI hybrid shaft
      PXG 4-W kbs TGI Stiff (std L/L)

      Vokey SM7 48 bent to 47
      Vokey SM7 52
      Vokey SM7 58

      SC Concept 1 Tour Rat

      I have 2 Titleist hybrids at 23 (H2) and 19 (H1) for courses of need.

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      jay

      5 years ago

      Just updated the bag for the year. Not a fan of too many wedges, being a player who grew up with only two wedges in the bag, you learn how to make those work for most shots. The stronger lofts have my bag with 3 wedges (only by the writing on the bottom of the club).
      9* Rogue SB
      17.5 * Stage 2 Hybrid
      5-PW Ping i500
      51* & 57* Vokeys
      (1) Rotating flat stick…

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      Bob

      5 years ago

      Knowing what clubs and respected distances of each club is all I care about. What “pros” use has no bearing on my selection.
      Course lay out determines the need for a lob wedge.
      Currently looking at replacing 3 & 5 Woods with a 4 wood.
      Replaced all long irons with utility irons, made a huge difference in scoring.

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      Gerald Teigrob

      5 years ago

      I had been thinking the same way but after learning how to hit a 4 iron again thanks to one of my two Cobra Bio Cell irons, I am so grateful to be able to enjoy long irons again. I have learned that I can keep a four hybrid in my golf bag for added length, but the need for a 5 or six hybrid will solely depend on how challenging courses are. If I play a longer course, the 5 hybrid will be a welcome addition. But for me right now, the 4 iron gives me the length and accuracy I need 9183 yards and pin high just off the green is nothing to be disappointed with. I was close enough to chip to tap in range. And par is always a welcome sight for me on par 3s!

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      Bwpage3

      5 years ago

      Age 57 HC 6 WITB:

      Callaway Big Bertha Fusion Driver 10.5
      Callaway Rogue 3+ Wood 13.5
      Callaway Big Bertha Fusion 5 Wood
      Callaway Big Bertha Fusion 7 wood
      Callaway Rogue 9 wood
      Tour Edge HL 3 Ironwood #6 in steel
      Cobra One Length Custom Fit Irons (9 iron length) 7, 8, 9, PW, AW, SW
      Cleveland RTX 4 60 degree wedge 3 degree bounce
      Odessey Backstryke Putter

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      scott

      5 years ago

      I bet there is no other bag in golf like mine. A 8 hcp with clubs
      most people I playing against say is that a hybrid ? I’ve acquired what works and distance gaping not the just latest and greatest.
      Driver…11 * callaway XR..225yd reg
      5 wood 17* callaway GBB…200yd reg
      Heavenwood 20,5* callawayGBB….185yd reg
      9 wood 24* callawayGBB…175yd reg
      5 hybrid 25*,,Cobra Max,,,165yd reg
      6 hybrid 29* Cobra DWS ,,,155yd stiff
      6 hybrid 32* Cobra DWS….143yd stiff
      7 hybrid 35* Cobra DWS….135yd reshaft from a lady’s set reg
      8 Iron 38 * Callaway Edge..125yd reg
      9 Iron 42 * Callaway Edge..115yd reg
      PW 46 Titlies Vokey SM6 ..8 bounce ..M grind 105yd wedge Flex
      GP 50 Titlies Vokey SM6..12 bounce F grind 92yd wedge Flex
      SW 54 Titlies Vokey SM6..8 bounce M grind 78yd wedge Flex
      If I change one club it will throw off my distance gaping other then my wedges

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      Robert Proctor

      5 years ago

      Tony,

      Would you be able to tell me who at Arccos sent you this dataset as I am trying to get them to export my dataset so I can explore this with my coach and they are not complying with my request, indeed they told me they have not sent any data to you. Is this right?

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      Jordan

      5 years ago

      My witb
      Cobra f8 driver
      Cobra f8 3wood
      Cobra f8 3 hybrid
      Srixon 765 4-p
      Cleveland rtx 3 52, 56, 60
      Putter evnroll er2
      Four iron only really gets used on long par threes off the t. Goes about the same distance as the 3 hybrid would off the turf but is more accurate and stops better. 60 only gets used in the sand. 52 I use from about 90-110 yards. Everything inside that I use the 56 and open and close it for different types of shots.

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      Nik

      5 years ago

      I think the reason there are so many options is you should bag what makes you a better golfer and not what Justin, Tiger and Bryson does. You should bag what gaps correctly based on your skill set not cause your pal Joe smashes his new hybrid farther than you hit your 3 wood. I also think you should have enough clubs to change up what you need based on course and weather conditions. My standard bag looks like this –
      z545 driver set @ 9.5*
      GBB 3 wood set @ 15* in summer and 14* in winter/spring
      zH85 3h 19*
      zU65 4u bent to 22*
      z565 4i thru 6i
      z765 7i thru PW
      Vokey SM6 50* and 56*

      Course dependent I have a 60* I will bag and pull either my 4i or 4u.

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      Mike B

      5 years ago

      In my bag:
      Titliest 917 d3 9.5
      Titliest 818h 17 degree
      Mizuno mp18 3-pw
      Titliest sm7- 50, 54, 58 degrees
      Scotty fastback
      — 38 years old been playing 30 years carrying a 8 handicap (used to be lower but working father of 2 allows only so much golf). Growing up playing junior golf it was a 56, and 60 degree wedges and that was it.. now I see the value of gaping wedges and having 4 wedges.. 130 yard in is where the game is.. Also think most amateurs put too much emphasis in having a 60 degree or higher loft lob wedge u less the course really requires it.. with grind now a days you can make a 56-58 work for most situations.

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      LMF

      5 years ago

      Callaway Epic 9.5* Driver – 260y
      Callaway Epic 15* 3 wood – 240y
      Titleist 818 h1 19* hybrid – 220y
      Callaway X-Forged 2018 5-PW
      Callaway X-Forged UT 4 iron
      Taylormade Spider Tour Putter
      Cleveland RTX-4 wedges 52* & 58*
      Titleist ProV 1 golf balls

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      DART

      5 years ago

      I have in my bag:
      Driver: Taylormade M2 2017 (Project X EvenFlow Black 6.5)
      3 Wood: Taylormade M2 2017 (Fujikura PRO Stiff 56)
      4 Hybrid: Taylormade M4 (ATMOS Stiff)
      Irons Titleist AP1: 4-9, PW and W(48)
      Wedges: 56 and 60
      Putter: Taylormade Daytona OS CB

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      mackdaddy

      5 years ago

      My current bag is:
      M1 (2016) 9.5 Matrix Ozik TP7HD 44″
      Callaway Rogue 3 wood 15* Matrix Ozik TP7HD 43″
      Taylormade M1 18.5* hybrid
      Taylormade Rocketballs Stage 2 23*
      KZG Forged III 5-p
      Renegar Wedges 50* 54* 58*
      Evnroll ER 3 34″
      Bridgestone Brx yellow

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      Gerald Teigrob

      5 years ago

      Here’s my current WITB

      Cobra Bio Cell Grey Adjustable – 9.5 degrees
      Cobra Bio Cell Blue Adjustable – 14.5/15.5 degrees
      Cobra Baffler T Rail 3h – 19 degrees
      Adams Redline 4 hybrid – 21 degrees
      Bio Cell stiff graphite 4i-gw
      Cobra Baffler 55 degree sand wedge
      Cobra Trusty Rusty Tour Black lob wedge

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      Gerald Teigrob

      5 years ago

      And my putter is a Cobra Optima putter.

      I like a lob wedge in my golf bag because I need the extra loft out of the sand and I like to play a full set of clubs I was working with a buddy of mine at Golf Tech and now that my lob wedges are both 60 degrees, I know I have a wedge I can play. So including a lobi wedge was a no-brainer.

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      wayne

      5 years ago

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      Gerald Teigrob

      5 years ago

      I always find it interesting when pros share their secret information, such as clubs, specs, etc. However, I am sure as with the PGA Champions Tour players, that there’s some leeway in terms of either a mixed bag or as in the case of a Kenny Perry, playing game improvement irons. And while others play blades or forged CB irons, I will continue to stick with Game Improvement irons. At least that way I know my golf ball will be in the fairway. I do tend to include at least a 15th club…a 4 hybrid. I am gradually getting used to playing a 4 iron in my bag and I am sure it will pay off in terms of accuracy and keeping the ball in the fairway. Not everyone has the gift of playing blade irons. I grew up playing mostly blade irons but I left many games with a bad taste in my mouth! Then with Oversized irons, I was able to hit the ball longer and experience the forgiveness I had always missed. I’m happy where my game\s at right now and we will see where it goes from here!

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      sam

      5 years ago

      kind of my question, if you can play of scratch with out blades,do you really need blades, Im off 10 and came down from 24HC all with the same clubs. Old R7’s I’ve played may rounds with 3 over the card, just bad putting and poor choice of clubs stops me from a low HC.

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      Ryan

      5 years ago

      I think it’s all seeing dependent. If you can close your wrists without help you can play blades. If you have trouble closing your wrists toe weighting will help but if you don’t need help you might put a heavy draw on a lot of shots. To me it’s an issue if people not getting fit to at least know a baseline of what they need for their body and swing.

      Gerald Teigrob

      5 years ago

      Most of us played blades for years and struggled with them. When technology moved over to more game improvement or oversize irons, I began to see significant improvement. So that’s why I play my Cobra Bio Cell irons better than if I played my Baffler XL irons. If I were to look down the road, the Baffler irons would be a wise choice to keep around, but as long as I am enjoying my Bio Cell irons, there’s no need to rock the boat!

      sam

      5 years ago

      MGS. it would be very to see what percentage of pro golfers
      *don’t use Blades ! for the reason that the next clubs down helps with alittle more forgiveness and can still be shaped enough.
      * What percentage of non pro golfers on scratch who also don’t use blades for the same reasons.
      And a simple test.
      Give the pro golfer a set of non blades, do a few rounds just to see if all this ,Shape shot, feed back accurate feel blade hype is not always the destination for a great swing.

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      Gerald Teigrob

      5 years ago

      Most of us played blades for years and struggled with them. When technology moved over to more game improvement or oversize irons, I began to see significant improvement. So that’s why I play my Cobra Bio Cell irons better than if I played my Baffler XL irons. If I were to look down the road, the Baffler irons would be a wise choice to keep around, but as long as I am enjoying my Bio Cell irons, there’s no need to rock the boat!

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      HDTVMAN

      5 years ago

      Turning 68 with a 12 handicap, my bag includes all graphite R shafts (incl SW & LW):

      Driver 10.5° +.6°
      5-Wood set -1°
      4 & 5 Hybrids
      5-AW, 56°, 60° (used for flops, short sand shots)
      Interchangeable Putter (I keep changing 2-3 times/week!!!)

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      Bob

      5 years ago

      I like the interchanable putter concept!

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      Graham Riley

      5 years ago

      There is a new putter on the market HotVman, it is called a jigsaw putter made by ‘Wicked’ in the UK……… you can buy the bits and pieces and make up your own putter. I really like the concept and the design…….. possibly my next putter……… but Rand to Pound exchange rate is now 18 to 1 so will have to wait till I made some money somewhere.

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      Nick Aquilino

      5 years ago

      I am 80 years old and carry about a 10 handicap. Hoping to get better of course…..I carry four wedges and have for maybe 30 years. Of historical interest is the fact that Dave Pelz was the driving force behind pro tour golfers carrying more than 2 wedges. Before the change most pros used only a pitching wedge and a sand wedge. Gap wedges and lob wedges were basically unknown. While working primarily with Tom Kite, Dave convinced him he needed to have more clubs in the scoring range from 120 to maybe 75 yards that allowed the golfer to use a full swing. This ultimately resulted in the introduction of the lob wedge, usually 60 degrees but even as high as 64 degrees as well as the gap wedge that typically hit the golf ball approximately midway between the conventional sand wedge and pitching wedge. Carrying an extra fairway wood or hybrid did not lower scores that much since most of those shots rarely found the green and when they did usually not very close to the pin.

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      Bill Bogle Jr

      5 years ago

      I have been working on set up and gaps. I have gone to 4-PW, 50, 54 & 58 and 1, 3 & 5 woods. The 3 Hybrid was too limited. I can get the 5 wood out of the rough and hit it higher and longer. BTW, my Ping irons are all about 1 club stronger than my old Ping irons, so the 4 iron plays like a high 3 iron, and my PW is long so the need for a gap wedge. The 58 is for bunkers and flop/high shots and is really needed. 60 was a bit too lofted for me as I can hit the 58 more consistently from 75 yards. At 60, I finally added the 5 wood and dropped the 1 iron but still miss it off the tee. Don’t like the gap irons much. Too harsh.

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      Brad

      5 years ago

      Most amateurs should not be playing four wedges. Three is not only adequate, it is preferable for those who don’t spend time practicing their wedges. A Pitching, Gap, and Sand wedge with a 4-6° between each will ensure no big gaps in the short end of the bag, but it will also make it simpler for the amateur to learn their wedges and choose the right one for shots.

      Amateurs simply don’t practice enough in the first place, but when they do it is usually 95% smashing driver and some irons on the range. Most amateurs would be better off ditching the lob wedge and adding another hybrid, a 5W, or perhaps a specialist “chipper” to their bag for best results.

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      Sharkhark

      5 years ago

      Great advice

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      JonD

      5 years ago

      I get what you are saying but I have different take on this. One of the biggest differences between Pros and Joes is how close they get to the pin from pitching wedge distance 125 yards and in.

      I carry 5 wedges the more wedges you have the more full swing distances you can dial in from 125 and in or how ever far you hit your pitching wedge.

      Not as many in between distances with that many clubs.

      Also stay away from the lob wedge, I carry a 58 that I use for lob/sand.

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      Brad

      5 years ago

      I understand your logic in carrying more wedges and being able to take full shots with each one depending on the distance of your approach shot. However, MOST amateurs (not all) hardly ever practice with their wedges. If you throw 4 or 5 wedges into the mix rather than 2 or 3, then they will have real trouble figuring out what to hit when. This is particularly the case when a full swing isn’t the best option or they need to chip.

      Most of the time, it is better to use fewer clubs and learn how to really use them in various situations as well as “manufacturing” shots when needed. That is the skill too few amateur golfers ever obtain. Because I’ve actually practiced it, I can hit my PW either 125 yards on a full swing, or I can hit a little knock down high-spin shot at 70 yards and make the ball stop on a dime with the same club.

      As they say, “Beware the man with only one gun, he knows how to use it.”

      brianwhosoever

      5 years ago

      Agreed. When I carried a 64 it would save me sometimes and cost me at other times, always from lack of practice. Also had moments of indecision from having too many options in certain situations.
      And from the “Get off my lawn” department, doesn’t anybody recall that this sudden need for a gap wedge was created when 9 irons started getting stamped as pitching wedges? And that the gap wedge you now carry really is a pitching wedge? C’mon man!

      Nick

      5 years ago

      Missing the point. It makes no difference what a club is labeled. The key is to have a set of clubs where each club provides a specific distance and that the distances are equally spaced throughout the set, with maybe with no more than a 15 yard gap between each club. If the golfer has a set that meets this criteria it makes no difference what number or letter is on the bottom sole of the club.

      Bwpage3

      5 years ago

      I play 4 wedges. We have a professional golf mat and net setup in our screen room and I hit wedges every single day to the tune of 200 or more shots. I have an awesome short game.

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      MACKDADDY

      5 years ago

      Brad I am from the school of thought where I am looking for a 4 degree loft change from top to bottom of the bag. I have an 11* driver down to my 58* lob wedge. Every gap is 3.5* or 4* my yardages gap at 12 yards full and 6 yards choked down an inch on my Winn Wrap grips that’s one wrap down. I know how far I hit each club full and 3/4 swing. Range finders make it easy to dial in distances with all clubs. In my experience most people hit all their clubs fine at full swing it is only when they gey down to the tweeners that most struggle. If I only have a limited time to warm up I will always opt for wedge practice from 50 yards in to green side. They don’t call them scoring clubs for nothing.

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      JD

      5 years ago

      This is interesting stuff, and really applicable to me at the moment. I want to improve 220-250, currently I play a 3 wood (255yds) and either a 3 hybrid (240 yds) or a 3 driving iron (230 yds). I hit the iron off the tee so well, but struggle from the rough, where the hybrid helps me from the rough a little more, but it digs and opens the face so I lose it right. The hybrid off the tee has a tendency to snap hook as well.

      I really don’t like hitting my 3 wood from the fairway, so I’m wondering if I go 5 wood and 3 iron if that gives me a better combo than what I have now.

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      Emery Cole

      5 years ago

      I went the Ben Hogan way with Ft. Worth blades @4 degree separations starting from Lob wedge at 60 and went down. My last iron is a 5 iron @24 degrees (I have a 4@20 degrees for rare occasions). The 5 is my 200 yard iron leaving my G400 5W is @220+, G400 3W is @250+ & G400 is @270.

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      Dan Z

      5 years ago

      So… I’m just a typical LPGA tour player. Awesome.

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      Bob

      5 years ago

      Having recently moved to the Senior tees I have changed my bag makeup. I have taken Butch Harmon’s advise and dropped the 3 wood and now carry a 5 and 7 wood.
      I agree with the earlier comment about pro’s distance with wedges make it more reasonable to carry 4 wedges. I have never been a big hitter so I find a PW, gap and sand wedge all I need.
      I found it interesting when I took Ping’s online fittting test it recommended exactly what I am now carrying.
      Driver 11.5
      5 & 7 woods
      3 &4 hybirds
      5-9 irons
      PW, GW & SW

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      Andrew Singleton

      5 years ago

      I have the same set make up as one of the major winners. I must be due a PGA Tour title next year!

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      Mark

      5 years ago

      Interesting. My WITB
      Rogue 10.5 Paderson Stiff
      Taylor Made Mini Driver 14 Degree STock Stiff
      Epic 3-6 iron STeel fibre 110 stiff
      Epic Pro 7-PW Steel fibre 110 stiff
      Ping Glide Forged 50,54,58 Modus 125 stiff
      Love my epic 3-6, they are rocket ships, will be hard to replace those.

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      Sen

      5 years ago

      A lot of this has to do with the tour pro yardages too. When the pro can hit their pitching wedge 130+ then they should be carrying 4 wedges for the gaps. Nothing wrong with carrying 3 or even only use 2 if you can score just fine, especially when you don’t hit as far as the pros.

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      mike

      5 years ago

      Funny as an amateur high singe figure player I carry 12′ driver 5 7 wood 4-9 and 4 wedges …. Yet people keep telling me to use hybrids !!!!
      They are dumb a well flighted 5w 225′ and 7 W 200′ landing soft as a butterfly … no need for 3w or hybrids .

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      Richard Murray

      5 years ago

      As a senior golfer who has lost considerable yardage due to physical issues my bag has a high lofted , 12.5 Epic driver, 16.5 M2 3 wood, 19 M2 5 wood, amd a 22 epic 7 wood. Miura CB 501 forged 5 – 9 irons. I have 4 wedges to save strokes close to the green

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      Buzz Rayman

      5 years ago

      Based of my own data, I found that the tees that I play I don’t carry a 7i, because 175yrds is not a standard par 3 yardage. Which are all longer than 185 or shorter than 155 yards. So here’s the break down.
      Dr 3w 3h 4,5,6 8,9,PW
      50,54,58,62
      Yes, 5 wedges permitted me to hit more full swing approach shots and minimize gaps.

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      JonD

      5 years ago

      Buzz drop thr 4 iron and add the 7 iron back in.

      Middle irons are not all about tee shots on par 3s. Your observation about no par threes between 155 and 185 is interesting.

      That has not been my experience but I have not thought about it that much.

      But I will be looking for that as I move around from course to course.

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      Nigel

      5 years ago

      I’m not sure if the info is here, but do you guys consider a driving iron like a Titleist T-MB or a Srixon U65 an iron or a hybrid?

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      Mullethead

      5 years ago

      My bag has changed drastically in the last 6 months! At 66 dropping irons and opting for hybrids. In the 70s and 80s D,3W, 1Iron-PW, SW and Putter, Dropped 5 Iron Yesterday today my WITB
      Driver, Ping G 10.5 set to 11.5 with Pro-Launch Blue 65G/R
      Titliest 913F 17* Bassura R
      Titliest 913H 19*, 21*, 24*
      Titliest DCI 962B 5-9 Iron
      Vokey wedges, 48*, 52*, 56*, 60*
      Ray Cook Classic Plus 1 Putter

      I also have changed ball from Pro V1 to Duo soft, not a macho bag but hey………

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      Josh Sopczak

      5 years ago

      It’s great that you’ve accepted what accommodates you to perform your best. That gulp of pride was a major step for me to go back to a few older clubs and get some “problem solvers” into my bag which, even with me being a 5-index, have helped me get better. When the time comes for me to get extra help, I’m sure I’ll have to deal with that self-honesty, as well.

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      Gary

      5 years ago

      Most golfers who score 100 or higher have too many clubs in the bag and should not have a driver or 3-wood in the bag. Replace with a 5-wood and a 7-wood or 9-wood. Irons can then start with 6-iron or 7-iron. Golfers who score 90-100 should use either a high lofted driver or 3-wood.

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      HDTVMAN

      5 years ago

      Older and/or extremely high handicap players should have a 10.5° driver that is easy to hit and extremely forgiving. I’d suggest trying the Ping G400MAX and Titleist TS2/3 and being fit for the correct shaft. You’d be surprised how far and straight the ball goes as these are the two most forgiving and longest drivers currently available.

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      BigMike

      5 years ago

      Turning 62 and have went from 112 mph down to about 101. Lost distance was depressing. Switched from Rogue SZ with Hazrdous Black to TS2 with Hazrdous Smoke. Picked up lost distance and then some. Ready to drop my C Taper Stiff iron shafts for something a little easier to load. Bottom line I’ve checked my ego and my game is improving

      James

      5 years ago

      This is a good point. I am 61 now and the game is different for me than just 5 years ago. Went to a fitting day and was able to get a good chunk of yardage back with a TS2. Also was easy as anything to hit straight. I haven’t bought it yet because I do want to give the G400 Max a shot. Going to a fitter this weekend to compare. Only other driver as forgiving as the G400 Max is supposed to be the PXG 0811xf.

      Rich

      5 years ago

      Driver ,3w, 18*hybrid,23*hybrid ,5-pw,56*,60*,8802 PUTTER

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      Fwiater

      5 years ago

      Seems like you would have a large gap between your PW and SW. Since you only listed 13 clubs why not add a gap wedgde?

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      Gerald Teigrob

      5 years ago

      J used to wonder why a gap wedge over a lob wedge…now I have enough room to play both! Finding the right gap wedge is just as important to me as finding the right sand and lob wedges. Fortunately the sets I play now come with a lob wedge, but otherwise I would still use a gap wedge to fill in the gap between my land wedge and my pitching wedge

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      shortside

      5 years ago

      I stopped carrying a “standard” bag years ago. Adjustable 2 hybrid to 4 iron. Then 46, 50, 54, 58 , 62 RTX-3’s at the bottom. Prefer a 4 iron based on misses alone. With a 4 hybrid they can be much worse. Like most I don’t hit many greens from 175+ out. And from the rough even attempting it is generally a bad idea for the average player. Find your best wedge distance and put it there. 5 wedges gives me a lot of lay up options coming in and around the green. Why most mid handicappers don’t bag them continues to baffle me given our percentage of missed greens.

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      Large chris

      5 years ago

      I think that’s a point often missed in the rush to use ‘easy to hit’ hybrids. Particularly off the tee, I find my misses a lot more playable using a 3 or 4 iron. With a hybrid I think there’s always a risk of nuking one, e.g. Hitting it too high in a left to right helping wind, and finishing a long way from the fairway.

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      Vas

      5 years ago

      You nailed it, and MGS did the research on that. I go D-Mini 14*-16*h-4i mainly because my 4i is now 22* and I trust it. Even my worst misses will catch a bunker with it. I certainly can’t say that with a hybrid. Also, as an amateur (1-2 hcp), I hit maaaaybe 2 3Ws off the deck per round. If I care about scoring, I’ll hit 5 off the tee alone. I’m not a math major, but I do know that 5 > 1.5… so the Mini is a very obvious choice.

      Nihonsei

      5 years ago

      No WITB club make specifics. Looks like the over obvious connection for amateurs is Arccos.

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