Shaft Review: VA Composites SLAY
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Shaft Review: VA Composites SLAY

Shaft Review: VA Composites SLAY

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Earlier this year we introduced you to VA Composites, a new shaft company started by Oban co-founder, Victor Afable. Sufficed to say, Victor has enjoyed a busy year. On the strength of his first shaft, the Raijin, Afable describes the first year of VA Shafts as “more than successful.” He’s exceeded his initial forecasts, Raijin orders from his 100 strong and growing dealer network are rolling in at a steady pace, and he’s recently inked deals that will put his shafts in at least two OEM’s upgrade lineups in 2018.

Of course, Afable also understands you can get but so far with a single shaft.

To complement the Raijin, Afable recently introduced his second shaft, the SLAY. Priced at $215 ($165 less than Raijin), the SLAY is a high launch offering designed for smoother swingers. Several of you have asked us for information about shafts that might fit slower, less aggressive players. Certainly, some of the options in the SLAY lineup fit that description.

We’ll dig into the Cool Clubs S3 Data in more detail below, but by way of quick comparison with Raijin, SLAY has a softer overall profile that’s most appreciable in its softer mid and more active tip sections.

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SLAY Options

The VA SLAY is available in 55 (A,R,S), 65 (R,S,X), and 75 gram (S,X) models. An 85g SLAY Hybrid shaft is also available.

As with the Raijin, and a good bit of Victor’s previous work at Oban as well, the actual weight of the SLAY is heavier (~5g) than the number printed on the shaft. It’s not a big deal in most cases, but it’s something that those of you not working directly with a fitter should be aware of.

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SLAY Data and Raijin Comparison

To make our shaft coverage more meaningful (and useful) to our readers, we’ve partnered with Cool Clubs, the Golf Industry’s Leading Custom Fit Club Company, to bring you shaft reviews powered by its Shaft Simulation System (S3). In case you missed it, check out our story detailing why we believe S3 provides the best insights into shaft performance.

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“S3 Technologies utilizes the most advanced shaft testing technology in the industry. The Shaft Simulation System (S3), which was developed in 2013, is a fully-automated, all-in-one shaft profiling machine. In a matter of minutes, the S3 determines the following shaft specs: (Straightness, Consistency Profile, EI Profile, CPM Analysis and Torque. While some of the aforementioned specs can be obtained from shaft manufacturers, a lack of industry standards prevents that data from being used for accurate apples-to-apples comparisons. S3 Technologies, solves this challenge by testing all of our production in-house using the S3. This gives S3 Technologies a unique and in-depth understanding of the quality and performance of the industry’s shafts.”

Not only does S3 give us standardized quantitative information about the shaft(s) being reviewed, the data we share will provide you with a much better sense of how those shafts compare with similarly spec’d offerings on the market today.

To give you a clearer picture of the differences between the two current offerings in the VA lineup, we’ve also included some Raijin data from the S3 database.

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VA SLAY LAUNCH CHARACTERISTICS

The dark gray line represents the S3 database average for stiff flex shafts in the 60-70g weight range. The light gray line represents a neutral profile, which is effectively the baseline for a mid-launch profile.

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Based on S3 measurements, the VA SLAY 65 is classified as a HIGH launch shaft, while the Raijin 65 is classified as MID-HIGH.

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The following chart compares the stiffness of the VA SLAY and Raijin in the butt, mid, and tip sections to the S3 database average of stiff flex shafts in the 60-70g range.

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As you can see, the SLAY is softer than the Raijin in all three regions of the shaft and is appreciably softer than the database average in the tip section.

BALANCE POINT

The following chart compares the balance point of the VA SLAY to both Raijin and the S3 database average of stiff flex shafts in the 60-70g range.

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The SLAY’s balance point is higher than both Raijin and the database average. As you may recall from our Golf Geeks Story on Shaft Performance, a higher balance point allows for more head weight without drastically impacting the swingweight. For golfers seeking more distance (admittedly often at the expense of accuracy), this allows drivers to be built to longer playing lengths.

SWING SPEED RECOMMENDATIONS

The chart below provides swing speed recommendations for the entire SLAY lineup.

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While we have not included Raijin in this chart, golfers should be aware that the speed recommendations for SLAY are significantly slower than they are for Raijin at comparable weight and flex due to its softer overall profile.

Note that these recommendations are based on the full range of Cool Clubs‘ building and fitting capabilities, including factors such as tipping and build length which can cause a shaft to play either softer or stiffer.

To simplify things a bit, you may wish to narrow these ranges. The sweet spot from a fitting perspective begins 25% from the slow end of the range. As a general rule, players with faster tempos, particularly in transition may fit into a stiff flex, while smoother swingers often fit into a softer flex.

Advice from the Cool Clubs Fitting Team

As we have and will continue to do with our shaft reviews, we’ve asked the experts on the Cool Clubs fitting team to share their thoughts on finding the right fit within the SLAY lineup.

VA Slay series shafts are designed to have a high launch (higher than similar shafts in the database) and low spin profile to help with distance and dispersion. However, you have to find the right model for your swing to benefit from these design considerations. Here we will discuss four key characteristics of the shaft (frequency, torque, weight, and bend point) to help find the right fit for your game.

The VA Slay is offered in 3 different stiffnesses for the 55 and 65 weight class, and 2 stiffnesses for the 75 weight class. Let’s focus on the VA Slay 65 for this first key component.

VA Slay 65 R, S, X: With frequencies of 245 CPM, 251 CPM, and 264 CPM respectively, each model requires a certain level of speed to get the most out of the shaft. For example, the VA Slay 65 S would perform optimally at speeds of about 105-110 mph. If the player is outside of this range, they might try to manipulate their swing to achieve decent results and make the shaft work, but that can ultimately lead to greater dispersion on the golf course.

Torque – VA Slay 55, 65, and 75: The VA Slay 55 has a torque of 3.7, while the VA Slay 65 has a torque of 3.5 and the 75 has a torque of 3.2. Consequently, the VA Slay 55 profile is more likely to perform optimally for a slower swing speed and perhaps smoother tempo player compared to the heavier and stiffer models. If the slower swing speed player tried to use the heavier weight at 65 with a 3.3 torque their shots could start to leak out to the right and stay low. Feel may be sacrificed and dispersion could suffer.

Weight – VA Slay 55, 65, and 75: At 59, 69, and 76 grams there are a variety of options to find the right fit for a player depending on head speed as well as the weight at which the player can control the shaft. Lighter-weight shafts can be swung faster, but it is necessary to make sure that speed does not come at the expense of accuracy. Never sacrifice accuracy for increased speed.

The lighter-weight 55 will produce a little more spin compared to the heavier weights, which will provide a more optimal fit at a speed range of about 80-90 mph. The VA Slay 65 S calls for a range of about 95-105 mph, while the VA Slay 75 X would perform optimally with a speed range of about 110-115 mph.

Bend Point – VA Slay 55, 65, and 75: The bend point on the Slay 55 is slightly lower compared to the 65 and 75 versions, meaning it should launch the ball higher and create a little more spin. This is better for slower speeds relative to the heavier-weight offerings. Even though the 65 and 75-gram models have a higher bend point, this shaft tends to launch higher than similar weight shafts with the same bend point. This can be an advantage for some players seeking higher launch, tighter dispersion, and more distance.

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Similar Shafts

We’ve used the Cool Clubs S3 fitting database to identify shafts similar to the SLAY 65 (stiff flex). Note that the similar shafts listed may have different flex designations.

Based on weight, frequency, and bend profile, we found the closest match to be the Mitsubishi Kuro Kage XM 70S.

Similar shafts with high launch characteristics include the VA Raijin 64-R and the Accra Tour Z X 265-M3

Mid launch shafts with otherwise similar profiles include the Graphite Design Tour AD MT 6-S and the UST Elements Platinum F-3

Those looking for a low launch shaft with otherwise similar characteristics should consider the Fujikura Vista Pro 65-S.

Information is this review is based on test results for the 65-gram, S flex, SLAY shaft from Cool Club’s S3 Shaft Explorer, which offers over 2500+ shaft profiles for comparison. Visit S3Fitting.com to learn more about the S3 shaft testing technology, and be sure to try the demo to find out if the shaft currently in your driver is a good fit for your swing.

For more information on the SLAY, visit VAShafts.com.

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WHAT’S NEXT?

As we mentioned in an earlier post, this is a new way for us to review golf shafts. Please continue to let us know what you like, what you don’t like, and what suggestions you have (we’ve already implemented some of them) for future S3-Powered reviews.

Also, if there’s a specific shaft you’d like to see us review next, please let us know.

 

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      Cliff

      6 years ago

      How does the Slay compare to my Accra FX 260 M4 Stiff? I’m not exactly sure the Slay I hit today but probably either 65 or 55 Stiff version.

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      Cliff

      6 years ago

      The version I was fit to was VA Slay 65 FOUR. Just seeing how you think that compares to my other shaft, the Accra I listed above. Thank you.

      Reply

      Patrick Butler

      6 years ago

      Just got fit at Club Champion and the clear winner was the VA Slay 55 stiff in a 10.5 degree M4 head. I’m not hitting it much further than my stock 2017 M2 with the “made for TM” Fauxjikura Pro 56 shaft. However, when I do make a bad swing instead of being 170 yards from the pin in the woods, I’m 140 out in the rough.

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      Derek

      6 years ago

      In other words theres no such thing as high launch low spin its all BS and a normal OEM shaft could in theory be much better or much worse than an exotic shaft dependent on how you deliver the club. Thats why you need to test shafts as its all dependant on the player and of course the head.

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      Matt W

      6 years ago

      I was just up in Denver last weekend and was fit into a Raijin 64x shaft. I had never heard of these shafts before as no fitters in NM carry them. I was super impressed and surprised when this shaft exceeded all others in performance during the fitting. Certainly an up and coming company and I for one am very impressed. My miss when I step on a shaft is a big draw that misses the fairway left…I could not overlook this shaft no matter how hard I tried.
      As usual, good review tony.

      Reply

      Jonathan Zajicek

      6 years ago

      You guys really need to start testing the xcaliber shafts by Robin Arthur. Should for your site’s philosophy and really reveal if people need to be spending big money on exotic shafts

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      Romulus ragert

      6 years ago

      I’d like to se the graphite design tp and iz shaft reviews. Also how’s anout the Tensei Pro shafts from MRC?

      Reply

      andy

      6 years ago

      I just got fitted for the Raijin 64 x . Its a beast i love it.

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      cksurfdude

      6 years ago

      Good write-up … makes me wanna try one!!

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      skip

      6 years ago

      Except, a “high launch (higher than similar shafts in the database) and low spin profile” theoretically does not exist. It’s not the shaft alone that produces those parameters.

      On top of it all, everyone delivers the clubhead differently which will react differently to different shafts. A shaft that launches high for one person can be low to another.

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      Tony Covey

      6 years ago

      This is why we focus on the relative characteristics of each shaft instead of trying to predict how it will perform based on a dozen or so swings. Launch classifications across the industry are ill-defined, however, S3 changes that to a degree. There is, for example, a threshold at which the S3 classification of a shaft changes from Mid-High to High launch. Within each classification group, there are obvious extremes. While it’s imperfect, on a relative basis, a high launch shaft that’s close to that transition point can be thought of as high launch with (comparatively) low spin, while a shaft deeper into the high launch range would be described as high launch with mid or high spin.

      In actuality, we don’t get a spin classification from S3 because of the inherent correlation to launch, but providing a relative assessment of spin can be helpful in differentiating between otherwise similarly categorized launch characteristics.

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      skip

      6 years ago

      I can appreciate what you guys are doing, and it is better than nothing. I think in the end there are so many variables to consider, that there will never be a single perfect way to know what a shaft will do in an individual’s hands.

      Terry McDowell

      6 years ago

      So where is the chart that shows more distance and tighter dispersion than traditional OEMs?

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      Tony Covey

      6 years ago

      That’s precisely the kind of thing you won’t see here. Apart from a high degree of radial consistency (which you’ll find in a majority of ‘exotic’ aftermarket shafts) or some degree of Spining/Puring (jury remains out on tangible benefits there), there’s nothing in the design of a shaft that will universally create higher ball speeds, or tighter dispersion. Unfortunately, that’s a story many shaft companies, and many shaft reviewers continue to tell, but the reality is that the forces exerted on the shaft vary by golfer (largely influenced by speed, transition, and release point).

      Our approach is to educate you about the quantifiable design aspects of the shafts we review, while providing advice from some of the most knowledgeable fitters in the industry to help you better understand what type of golfer the design characteristics of the shaft suggest it might fit well.

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      Terry McDowell

      6 years ago

      I hear what you are saying Tony but it would be helpfull to know if this claim on their website it accurate or just marketing BS.

      “SLAY boasts high launch and low spin playing characteristics allowing golfers to achieve tighter dispersion and more distance”

      Tony Covey

      6 years ago

      Boilerplate to some degree for nearly every shaft. Insert launch claim, insert spin claim (never more than mid), assert tighter dispersion.

      Always relative, and seldom explained what that point of comparison actually is. Golfer dependent and impossible to prove or disprove.

      Shafts contribute to lead deflection (correlated to dynamic loft), face closure, and toe down. There’s also a kick velocity and all of the above is highly dependent on the swing characteristics of the golfer as well as how a given individual reacts to a change in how design aspects manifest as feel. Some golfers more or less take what the shaft gives them, others – to varying degrees – will make adjustments based on what they’re feeling from the shaft.

      Golfers need to accept that without some influence on impact position (shaft dynamics causing a given individual to make higher face contact) or an increase in angle of attack (without a corresponding increase in dynamic loft), it’s impossible to escape the correlation between launch and spin. Basically, outside of broad and relative terms, high launch and low spin does not exist.

      ChristopherKee

      6 years ago

      So pairing a high launch shaft with a low launch head can possibly keep the spin down even more?

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      HighLaunchLowSpinBS

      6 years ago

      No, the shaft delivers the clubhead where spin is primarily determined by factors such as dynamic loft, gearing, etc, but spin itself cannot be directly affected by the shaft

      Reply

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