What the Disappointing Q2 Might Mean for Acushnet
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What the Disappointing Q2 Might Mean for Acushnet

What the Disappointing Q2 Might Mean for Acushnet

“When the going gets tough, the tough get going.” Q2 was tough for Titleist. The question for Acushnet is, what will it take to get things going again?

The numbers aren’t pretty. Acushnet’s Q2 Net Sales are down about 8% on a year-over-year basis. The YOY breakdown looks like this:

  • Golf Ball sales down 6.6%
  • Golf Club sales down 21.2%
  • FootJoy (apparel and footwear) down 5.8%

If you’re looking for growth, the Golf Gear category, which includes golf bags, headwear, golf gloves, and travel gear was up 6.3%.
To put all of this in perspective, it’s important to understand more about the Titleist brand.

For The Better Player

The dedicated golfer has been Acushnet’s primary focus and our proven strategy to address their needs is the key to our ongoing success. – Acushnet President & CEO, Wally Uihlein

Titleist has historically positioned itself as a brand for the better player. It’s strongly focused on the dedicated golfer. We’d define that as the type of golfer that doesn’t leave anything to chance. He’s more likely than the average golfer to invest both time and money in his game. He takes lessons and relies on golf professionals to recommend the right equipment and fit him into it.

That focus, along with a Tour-driven approach to marketing (and sometimes higher pricing) has provided the Titleist brand with an aspirational quality. In consumer marketing, an “aspirational brand” would attract a large segment of the audience that wishes to own their products but for economic reasons cannot. In Titleist’s case, this would also include the fact that its clubs are designed for the better player. That’s not a group all golfers fall into, but it is one most aspire to join one day. The brand strength its position provides has given Titleist the ability to largely ignore the highest handicap segment of the market.

With the emergence of brands like PXG, however, some of Titleist’s price-driven aspirational quality has faded, and with competitive ball offerings cutting into the bottom line, one wonders if it might be time for Titleist to expand its focus, its product offerings, and in turn, its reach in the marketplace.

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2nd Quarter Results for Acushnet

The ball category is Titleist’s bread and butter, so with the March release of a new generation of ProV1 and ProV1x golf balls, most would have expected to see a surge in Q2 ball sales. The numbers indicate that this didn’t happen. The golf ball category was down 5.6% year-over-year, despite an aggressive buy 3 dozen get 1 free promotion almost right out of the gate.

With many of its competitors rolling out high-performance Tour balls at lower price points, there’s reason to believe that consumers are starting to consider whether or not paying upwards of $50.00 per dozen makes sense. The TaylorMade TP5 ($44.99), Callaway Chrome Soft ($39.99), Kirkland Signature (2 dozen/$29.99), along with direct to consumer brands like Snell and Vice have made an impact. No one questions the performance of the category-leading Pro V1, but with similarly high performance available at a lower price, golfers are beginning to question if the cost difference is justified.

If this proves to be the new normal, Titleist will need to find a viable response. The company already outspends its competitors on R&D, and with USGA regulations being what they are, developing another industry-changing ball that’s irrefutably better than what its competitors are putting on shelves seems unlikely. While a price drop on the Pro V1 is possible, it runs counter to the prestige the franchise carries with it. A lower cost Tour offering might make sense for the market, but crafting a narrative that doesn’t infringe on the Pro V1s performance storyline would be challenging to say the least.

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Golf Clubs

On the golf club side of the business, sales were down 20.3% year-over-year in the 2nd quarter. For those of you that don’t know, Titleist practices a 2-year product cycle. Clubs, with few if any exceptions, sell best during their first year on the market. While we applaud Titleist for sticking with 2-year product cycles, we do wonder if it will prove sustainable in a changing market.

In its report, Acushnet states:

Drivers were challenged due to competitive activity, aggressive ad spending and poor weather, which limited fittings.

There’s no doubt that Callaway’s Epic Driver had a massive impact on the market. Titleist’s 917 is far from alone in taking a hit. Like TaylorMade, Callaway is a marketing machine and “aggressive ad spending” is arguably a subtle description, but it’s aggressive because it works, and so it’s unreasonable to expect Titleist can bounce back on the strength of less aggressive marketing from its competitors.
The reality is that Titleist’s club share is perpetually at risk because the company spends the bulk of its marketing budget on the golf ball. While promotions like Titleist Thursdays hint that the company might spend a bit more than usual to ensure the success of its new iron franchise, increased pressure in the ball market could force the company to shift focus and dollars from its club business.

Whether or not “poor weather” actually contributed to the lackluster 2nd quarter numbers is certainly up for debate. Callaway, for example, had an outstanding 2nd quarter.

The validity of the weather argument can be traced back to the brands’ focus on the better player. Compared with the rest of the industry, Titleist does a greater percentage of its business on-course – and that includes fittings. If the weather is keeping golfers away from the course, then it stands to reason that Titleist would be disproportionally impacted. Also consider that Titleist has less of a presence in big box stores, and unlike Callaway and TaylorMade, has, to date, refrained from selling its clubs direct to the consumer. All of this speaks to a brand that’s heavily invested in green grass, and as a result, more vulnerable to the impact of sustained inclement weather.

While it’s unlikely the 917 will regain momentum, the company sees the release of the new 718 iron family and 818 hybrids as cause for optimism. We will circle back to this later.

Golf Gear

The bright spot in the Acushnet’s Q2 report was in the Golf Gear category where sales were up 6.3%. With the Titleist brand being synonymous with the better player, is that the reason why amateurs are buying up Titleist hats by the dozen? Is there a segment of golfers that hopes to be perceived as being a better player, even if they don’t necessarily have any Titleist clubs in their bag?

The growing strength of the FootJoy Pro/SL golf shoes are great examples of how we continue to fortify our positions on multiple fronts as we work closely with our trade partners to deliver value added products to dedicated golfers. – Acushnet COO, David Maher

Footwear and Apparel

Despite a strong launch and continued success of its Pro/SL shoe, FootJoy (which produces the bulk of Acushnet’s footwear and apparel offerings) saw revenue down 4.1%. This drop was pinned on a reduction in retail store count, in addition to being impacted by US weather. Golfsmith went bankrupt last year and closed 60 stores nationwide before Dick’s bought out the rest. With no small degree of the brand’s success being dependent on brick and mortar, those closures often have the biggest impact on the market leader.

Looking at the larger picture, the retail landscape has, and will continue to change. Those stores aren’t coming back, which was likely a factor in the launch of FootJoy’s online store last year. Moving forward, direct to consumer availability across the entire FootJoy lineup will likely benefit the bottom line.

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Success Across the Worldwide Tours

Let’s take a moment to review the current facts as stated in the report. Titleist golf ball usage across the Worldwide Tours is at 72% year-to-date. The FootJoy shoe count across the Worldwide Tours is at 62% year-to-date. Titleist golf balls have won 68% of the events year-to-date across the Worldwide Tours, which was highlighted by Jordan Spieth’s victory at Royal Birkdale with the new ProV1x and 14 Titleist golf clubs in the bag. Justin Thomas has since added a PGA Championship and a win at the Dell Technologies. Titleist can also lay claim to having the #1 Iron, #1 Hybrid, and #1 Wedge on the PGA Tour. This is unequivocal domination at the professional level.

That’s all well and good, but success and usage across the Worldwide Tours doesn’t necessarily equate to dollars earned. While the Pro V1 may still be the ‘#1 ball on Tour’, Tour players aren’t paying for their golf balls or clubs. It does speak to their trust in the Titleist product to earn their living, but at retail, consumers are paying the bill.

Is the current trend just a blip, or does Tour success not translate at the consumer level as it has in the past?

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Looking Ahead to the 718 Irons & 818 Hybrids Release

Titleist is through the Prototype and Tour Seeding phase, and its 718 irons and 818 hybrids are ready for retail on September 29th. This might be the most comprehensive iron launch ever by Titleist. The 718 series includes a strong game-improvement offering in the AP1, a players distance iron in the new AP3, a modern Tour iron in the classic AP2, a technical distance muscleback iron in the T-MB, a small cavity back iron in the CB, and a traditional muscleback blade in the MB. One of these iron models should suit almost any golfer from the beginner and high handicapper to a scratch or plus handicap golfer. Additionally, the price points and affordability vary from an MSRP of $140 per iron in the AP1 to an MSRP of $280 per iron in the T-MB. This is a step in the right direction for the brand; one that reflects its commitment to the better player, while also offering a great selection for its Tour staff and, perhaps quietly, the higher handicap golfer as well. End to end, it’s a lineup that has the potential to do well at retail, but it certainly won’t go unchallenged. Titleist needs a strong launch and plenty of momentum heading into winter if it hopes to bounce back from Q2.

What’s Next for Titleist

We are excited about our upcoming new product introductions and we are looking forward to building upon our brand momentum in the back half of the year.” – Acushnet COO, David Maher

Time will tell what is truly next for the brand, but there are reasons to believe in a rebound in the back half of the year and moving on from there. Again, there is no denying that Titleist and FootJoy make great products, but the market may have evolved to a point where a shift in strategy, or at a minimum, a small change in the status quo is necessary. This might include a move away from the 2-year product cycle on some products, new products at new price points, or perhaps augmenting its better player-driven marketing strategy with something that appeals to the recreational golfer. How does Acushnet do any of that without infringing on its brand identity? It’s no small challenge.

As we said before this journey, while painful at times, as we deal with 450 fewer Golf Balls distribution points and 100 fewer full product line doors reflects the necessary correction of the market that had too much retail square footage, too many golf courses and arguably too many OEMs. We are confident that the U.S. market is approaching a healthier state. – Acushnet COO, David Maher

With Maher’s discussion of fewer golf ball distribution points and fewer full product line doors, it is clear that there has been a necessary correction in the market. OEM’s are going to have to make the most of what’s left, because as I said, those stores aren’t coming back.

The market isn’t growing, so the name of the game is taking up more slices of the pie. As with most businesses, success often boils down to the ability to adapt to a new reality. Just ask Blockbuster what happens when you can’t.

Titleist and FootJoy are well-equipped to address the changing demand in the marketplace, but it remains to be seen if it can fully regain its stride during these changing times.

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      Golfinnut

      7 years ago

      Titleist is the Bomb!

      That is all …

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      Tim

      7 years ago

      Juniors (like mine) who are members of the AJGA get huge discounts on TaylorMade / Adidas products. This starts better players with a brand other than Titleist. Acushnet should take notice, before they lose a generation of players.

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      jas herrington

      7 years ago

      Man, I luv Titieist. My next set of irons will b Titleist, if I live that long. Just bought TM RSI Tp`s & I luv`m. I got a great deal on them. Titleist is about outta range for me. I buy SO-lo balls & that`s it.

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      Monty Martin

      7 years ago

      While I would love to have a complete set of Titleist clubs and acc. Along with that would love to have new pair of the new Footjoy shoes. The problem is that living on a fixed income those things are out of my reach as it is for most of my friends. I do use ProV balls but I purchase them online used.

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      Tanilroy

      7 years ago

      Titleist has a rooted history in the golf world. However, the millennial and z generations are more equipped than ever with education and they demand value based purchasing. I hope Titleist finds a way to help grow their brand- and grow the game- by taking cues from companies like Vice Golf, Amazon, and even Apple. These businesses have a consumer driven business plan vs just relying on brand power.

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      Tom

      7 years ago

      I have for sixty years and today at age 71 still maintain a 3 hdcp. Until about three years ago I had only bought Titleist balls. In the last three years I don’t I’ve bought any Titleist balls. The Pro V1 is a fine ball but there are other equally fine balls for far less. Never thought I would feel this way but it’s now a different world.

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      DFS

      7 years ago

      The recurring theme of budget golfers demanding “more technology, better clubs, and better pricing” is something that needs to be addressed. I’m sorry but inflation applies to everything, especially hobbies such as golf. At some point you people need to come to the realization that $700 for a set of irons is not only not the direction the market is heading, but very unrealistic as well. The trends should tell you that not only are most major OEM’s and niche companies targeting a higher price point with their premium products, but also with their amateur level equipment. The days of seeing MAJOR OEM’s producing their flagship irons for less than $1,000 may very well be behind us. This is not applicable to models such as Hogan (that will almost inevitably fail due to low volume and low margins). Don’t expect discount golfers who buy used clubs on ebay and won’t get properly fit to the target of OEM’s…the thriftier you get the faster we force them to raise prices to sustain profits at much lower volume…

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      Spitfisher

      7 years ago

      Lets not glorify Titleist sales.Its all about the ball. 70% is all ball, the remaining is footjoy, clubs and accessories…..in that order. The latter two are much smaller % of the overall global sales

      That said Clubs, drivers and irons, Drivers alone likely was impacted greatly by Epic and M1/M2. The second impacted pros at green grass accounts now had to do some major face to face fitting, perhaps even with a launch monitor. Something in the green grass accounts relatively new to a fair amount. Handing a 917 to customer and have him try it, can have terrible results without the right head and shaft-let alone the understanding of adjustable hozels and shaft characteristics. There is far more exposure with brands like Callaway and TM and I believe off the rack hit better initially.

      Balls, ask a consumer the difference and they either don’t know or just play them “because”. Well the chrome soft bit a chunk off of Titleist sales, as did boutique brands, snell, vice etc. The TP5 and TP5X are the best tour ball out there, give it some time and once again all 3 factors will chip more away next year.

      Footwear, just a couple of models have sold well for FJ, many sold at much much lower price points than what FJ has experienced in the past. Nike died on the vine (again) & Adidas has captured a lot of Nike, FJ market share is positioned for more in 2018. They hit a home run this year. New brands such as sketchers and new balance Mans and womens have established themselves.

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      scott

      7 years ago

      Never like Titleist Irons hard to hit The driver and fairway woods lack feel and distance but are ok just not for me. The Vokey SM6 Tour Chrome M Grind Wedges 54 & 50 degree that are in my bag are the best of the best. The cost is part of the problem ( but not just that ) I can get a used XR Callaway driver , GBB fairway woods and Edge Irons for haft the cost that preform and feel better . I’m 5 hdc still using Cobra hybirds that are 8 years old and still kicking. Titleist need to focus on a line of game improvement clubs that don’t cost $1200 but more like $700 then maybe the next time I’m looking for Irons I’d give them a chance

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      Tom Shepperd

      7 years ago

      Several years ago, I bought a set of 713 metals. Struggled with distance and finally found out that the spin rate was out of site. Little did I know this was common knowledge in some pro circles. I really favor the Pro V1’s but that’s about it for Titleist. Sad, because my dad was a big Titleist fan in the 1960’s and 70’s.

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      gunmetal

      7 years ago

      I think the Mizuno Fitting Cart coupled with their no upcharge policy for shafts and grips is making a dent. I can’t tell you what Mizuno’s iron share has done over the past several years, but my guess is it’s on a better trajectory than Titleist whose custom fitting process needs a major overhaul. Throw in the Snell ball and other great offerings from Callaway, TM, Srixon, and Bridgestone and yeah, it’s not an 80’s Country Club green grass world anymore.

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      Dave

      7 years ago

      You are right just got a set of mizuno jpx900 hot metal no up charges for shafts or grips and bent to specs.

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      Spitfisher

      7 years ago

      Many manufacturers have zero up-charge for many shafts, TM for example had over 30 driver shafts, all OEM shafts all free. My point is Mizuno was just one of the others doing it- but not exclusive. Irons are a tough comparison, because the consumer on average keeps them for a much longer time period, like 5+ years

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      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      Yes and No.

      Titleist has put real shafts in its drivers for as long as I can remember. The same is not true for the rest of the industry not even close. TM only started using ‘real’ shafts in its non-TP models with the M1. Callaway has reverted back to using ‘made for’ stuff in most of the Epic line.

      Also worth noting, that the 30 shaft number is misleading. It’s really just a handful of shafts offered in a variety of flex combinations. In some cases, what most of us would think of as 1 shaft (for example a MRC Kuro Kage) gets counted 6 or more times because it’s available in 65 and 75 grams and 2 or 3 flexes at each weight.

      xjohnx

      7 years ago

      Tony,

      To be fair, Callaway has just as many, if not more, no upcharge shaft options in their drivers right now. You were right in saying that the stock shafts are mostly “made for” or exclusive designs but these guys were speaking on options, not off the rack.

      xjohnx

      7 years ago

      I also don’t agree with your logic that a shaft model in different weights = one shaft. I agree that counting it in multiple flexes doesn’t make sense but, shaft options should be counted as fitting options. A Kuro Kage 50 and 60 are two different options and fit a player differently. For that reason specifically I think that should be as good a reason as any to count those as multiple options and choices for a driver. The whole point of advertising “X” number of options is to point out the number of options to properly fit each players game, isn’t it? If you have 3 options, the chances of a proper fit are slim. However if you have 56 options (like I just counted on Callaway’s site), the customer has much more faith that he can find the right shaft for him without having to necessarily pay an upcharge. Flex’s no, but different weights are different options and should be counted as such.

      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      It seems to me you’re playing with semantics with a specific goal of arguing that Callaway has an extensive no up-charge lineup. What I find interesting is the way companies selective use the numbers. When Calllaway and others talk about their stock offerings, for example, the Aldila Rogue Max, it’s counted as one of four stock options in the Epic line. There is no distinction drawn between flex and weight. It is one shaft. As soon as we move to the no charge offerings, all of a sudden we’re counting weights and flexes as independent things. Why? To make the offerings look more extensive than they actually all. BS bragging rights.

      Separating weight and flex for the purpose of counting is an interesting distinction to draw from a fitting perspective. My experience has taught me that for any given golfer, flex, weight, and profile can make a big difference or none at all. I certainly wouldn’t say flex, for example, is any more or less relevant than weight in a fitting conversation.

      But back to the original point – Titleist has never in my memory used a watered down shaft in ANY of its products. As a routine matter of business, its competitors have and continue to use ‘made for’ variants of shafts in both their iron and metalwoods lineup while trading on the names of popular shaft franchises. They do it with the intent of preying on the less-informed consumer (hey look, it’s a hzrdus, they use that on tour), while at the same time significantly reducing costs (note those savings aren’t passed to the golfer). So while we can haggle over what should count and what shouldn’t, the fact of the matter is that some in this industry continue to cover their expenses on no-charge upgrades my loading the lineup with high margin co-branded stuff and selling it to the uninformed golfer.

      Inarguably that’s good business from a financial standpoint, it’s not one I hold in particularly high regard from an integrity standpoint. Again, Titleist doesn’t play that game and I think that speaks to its commitment to the serious golfer.

      FWIW – While PING does use its own shafts (CFS in irons, Alta/Tour in Woods) it doesn’t try to mislead the consumer with co-branding and names that suggest aftermarket models to which the shafts bear little actual resemblance.

      xjohnx

      7 years ago

      Tony,

      I hear what you’re saying and I was just using Callaway as the example since I’m most familiar with their current offerings. I also don’t want it to seem like I’m one of these complainers around here. I respect you and love the info you guys provide us. Just commenting from sort of a “devils advocate” point of view. I also always thought “stock shafts” meant just what was shipped to stores to be bought off the rack which would still mean only one weight option and then a couple flexes in the case of Epic. The other weights would be no upcharge but custom ordered.

      To your point on Titleist, again I’m not trying to be an annoying know-it-all but you’re definitely wrong about them always using real shafts. For one example the 909 series drivers and woods offered a Voodoo, Diamana blueboard and X-con 5 which all had a logo that said “Titleist exclusive” right on them.

      Nathan

      7 years ago

      I am a PGA member and a retail owner in the industry, your comments are very accurate in my experience and opinion.
      If Titleist adopted Mizuno’s fitting process it would make a big difference.
      One other big factor is Mizuno’s being forged Japan.

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      Mr. Metal

      7 years ago

      Why does “forged in Japan” make a difference? Please elaborate.

      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      Can we stick to one nickname/username please?

      Jerrod

      7 years ago

      I use all titleist clubs and more than likely always will. For me, the name Titleist carries a higher status over other brands due to the fact they don’t flood the market every couple months with a “new and improved product”. The golf market has responded to the “have to have it now” mentality of most consumers and I believe it’s damaged the name of most companies. Titleist is in a tough position, move away from their identity to gain a new consumer or stick with what has worked and hope their name carries the status it always has.

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      Ryan Kelly

      7 years ago

      Thanks for reading, Jerrod. I appreciate their 2-year product cycle and think it’s a breath of fresh air, while most other manufacturers are flooding local retail stores with new product on a more frequent basis.

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      xjohnx

      7 years ago

      I think Titleist is suffering from the biggest negative trend in golf. Titleist is a brand of heritage and has loyal followers like Jerrod. There are generations of golfers that grew up playing Titleist and are comfortable with the classic tradition of the look and feel and sometimes, the status that is brought with the company’s heritage. Unfortunately, I don’t think as many younger kids are playing Titleist clubs now. I think these young kids are much more in tune with the performance and technology over classic looks and feel. If you grew up with 460cc heads or all shapes and colors, you don’t have that romantic connection with a brand like this. So when they go demo or get fit for new clubs and the TaylorMades, Callaways etc. are giving them better numbers, that’s what they’ll go with. When we were growing up, you couldn’t see launch angles, spin rates etc and clubs were purchased for different reasons. I wouldn’t say I’m in tune with high school golf these days but, when I graduated in 2003, everyone HAD TO have Titleist clubs. I’d be willing to bet there aren’t too many in high school bags today.

      Jeff

      7 years ago

      I agree that Titleist is a true “aspirational” brand, however, I have a hard time comprehending the economics of all of the high end brands at the top end of the market. Among my circle of playing partners (of which most of our group of about 12 have an annual family income in the $100-150,000 range, handicaps range from a scratch to a few 10-12s, and play 50-100 rounds per year), I see moderate golf spending but no desire to drop “aspirational” money like this. ProV1s used to dominate our group, but most no longer want to drop $48-50/dozen and are playing more balls in the $30-40/dozen range. It’s the same with putters and wedges. There are a few less Scotty’s out there at $300+ each, and a few more Ping Ansers or others in the $100-150 range, and there are many fine wedge offerings (Cleveland, Callaway, Mizuno) that can be had for $100/wedge, especially near the end of their product cycle, that provide performance similar to the Vokey (at least imperceptible to our caliber of player).

      Looking at the younger players entering the marketplace, I see many of the other companies (Cobra, Callaway, Ping, Tour Edge) dominating the juniors market with nice quality sets for the kids. If these boys and girls are starting with those brands, and happy with them, it makes it that much more difficult to sway them later on without a significant performance improvement over their current clubs.

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      10shot

      6 years ago

      Well said/stated

      Shortside

      7 years ago

      Premium ball market is more competitive than it’s ever been. Robotic tests and blind tests prove that. Same can be said for equipment. The differences are small to say the least. Ain’t got a swing ain’t got a thing still holds true. I carded my best round in years with a Vice Pro Soft. Must have been the ball. Hats? Sure I have a few. Many Pro Shops sell them exclusively. Forgot my hat. Grabbed one.

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      Scott Macleod

      7 years ago

      Titleist wont go broke, i find heaps of their balls, someone keeps buying them.

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      Jarrod Cochoy

      7 years ago

      They need to put urethane covers on their NXT line, and come out with some innovative clubs. Lower price on custom shaft upcharges.

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      Steve

      7 years ago

      Doesn’t Titleist own the Pinnacle brand? Expand it to clubs for the beginners and seniors!!! I’ll send my bill for a consulting fee direct to Titleist.

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      Birdieputt

      7 years ago

      While Titleist’s days are far from over, I think that ball sales will continue to take a hit and see a decline in market share. There are too many other balls that perform just as well and even better in some categories at a lower price point. I bought a dozen Bridgestone 330 RXS balls today at Walmart for $ 33.22. I have played the Snell Tour ball and am considering switching to it as it performs quite well and even spins better than the 330. It’s at an even lower price point.
      The Tour pros may play the Pro-V-1 and X but remember they not only don’t pay for the balls , many are PAID and a LOT of money to play them.

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      Dave

      7 years ago

      Poor Titleist they did it to themselves . Poor marketing and sales people with attitude .

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      mackdaddy

      7 years ago

      They set their ball prices based on Demand. At $50 they drove many golfers to try other premium balls like the Chrome Soft, Bridgestone B330 series and TP 5 balls and discover they liked them better or as well. They will have to lower their prices to compete. Clubs? They could try top quality mid size irons and target the senior golfer market and mid handicappers. Prince did it in tennis hoping to capture a market share among seniors and revolutionized tennis.

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      Gene Marchetti

      7 years ago

      Adapt or die!!!! Prince might have revolutionized the industry but failed to keep evolving and is now bankrupt. Titleist has to somehow change its image as a snob company catering to only the low handicap serious player if it’s going to grow. They make great equipment but most average joes wont even demo their clubs. They have to find an advertisement firm that will come up with a campaign that will convince the weekend player that Titleist will help them enjoy their limited time on the course.

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      Ferguson Robert

      7 years ago

      You nailed it…Price is the main reason — that and playability for the average golfer. Now retired I do not spend 50 on a dozen balls when I can buy Snell for 27 and get the same performance.

      I do play Titleist 712 AP 1 irons — and love them. However, their drivers are not up there with Taylormade in ease of performance. They are close to pricing themselves out of the market with the costs of the Vokey wedge.
      Adapt or die is right…make a Senior shaft and head that plays well for the 80-90 mph swing speed player and your clubs will fly off the shelf and out the door.

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      Mark Carey

      7 years ago

      Time to raise the prices on their clubs. $750 for a 2018 driver now

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      Dave

      7 years ago

      My first full set never cost that much. Now I’ll have to up my insurance on my clubs and lock them up when I’m done. That’s one driver $750.00 two fairway woods $500.00 one rescue $285.00 and one set irons $1300.00 and misc in bag,gloves 3at $25.00 balls one dozen prov $65.00 ,range finder $500.00 . God I can’t afford to have these puppies stolen it costs me more in insurance than to insure my car and house.

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      xjohnx

      7 years ago

      Speaking strictly to club sales being down: I tried to play devils advocate when only the numbers were released and people freaked out about it. That said, it now looks like it was as bad as some thought and not what I thought made sense from a logical point of view. After reading a little of the report, if irons, wedges and putters did as expected in their second year that defies everything I would have thought. That means this is the worst case scenario and 917 wood sales are actually down to 915 sales in their second year.

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      Nathan

      7 years ago

      Is this a review of equipment site or financial review site, stop bashing companies and stick to your semi bias equipment reviews…. oh o know, run another review on the kirkland sig balls.
      Pfffffff!!!!

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      Ryan Kelly

      7 years ago

      Nathan, I hope that you were able to read the entire article. This was intended to be written as a fair assessment of Acushnet’s latest Q2 report. I have personally been a big Titleist fan and supporter for the past decade. This is in no way a “company bashing” article. It’s just a current assessment of where the brand stands in this ever-changing market. I believe that they’re fully capable of bouncing back.

      xjohnx

      7 years ago

      I don’t think Nathan intended to specifically reply to my comment but I’m going to give my .02 anyway.

      The loyal Titleist guys are a funny breed. They have no problem admitted that they play the clubs mostly based on look, feel and tradition. They’ll often admit that they aren’t always the most innovative or the highest performing (especially drivers) but they always play them because they look right and they just work. Then they’ll go bash a site like MGS who simply provides test results based on performance and calls them biased because Titleist is rarely at the top of the performance tests. The variance in testing between the top and bottom of the list is almost negligible in some cases yet, the Titleist crowd always has to defend from a “if you’re not first, you’re last” stance.

      Brad Childers

      7 years ago

      Lower prices, paying $319 for a fairway wood is a little extreme

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      Alex McCormack

      7 years ago

      What a shock. Another negative Titleist article.

      Using the Costco ball as an example of why their ball sales are down is laughable. Their ball is impossible to buy!

      The equipment side was always going to be slow with new irons on the way. The ball business is interesting – there will be competitors all the time with new names and claims, but Pro V users will always come back. You know what you are getting.

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      MyGolf Spy

      7 years ago

      I suppose people see what they want to see, but given the inherently factual numbers provided in the article and the accompanying analysis, I don’t know how you arrive at this is a negative article.

      Mention of the K-Sig wasn’t specific to Q2, but was in the context of the FACT (there it is again) that a growing number of competitors are offering tour-quality balls at prices below that of the Pro V1.

      For your reference, here’s the full quote where Kirkland is mentioned:

      “With many of its competitors rolling out high-performance Tour balls at lower price points, there’s reason to believe that consumers are starting to consider whether or not paying upwards of $50.00 per dozen makes sense. The TaylorMade TP5 ($44.99), Callaway Chrome Soft ($39.99), Kirkland Signature (2 dozen/$29.99), along with direct to consumer brands like Snell and Vice have made an impact. No one questions the performance of the category-leading Pro V1, but with similarly high performance available at a lower price, golfers are beginning to question if the cost difference is justified.”

      If you don’t believe the Kirkland has had a market impact you’re fooling yourself. Apart from the direct sales, its existence has helped open golfers mind to the reality that tour performance doesn’t need to cost $50/dozen. In addition to Kirkland, Vice, Snell, plus the bigger OEMs selling at $40 have all contributed to what I suppose you would call a change in mindset. Was it K-Sig alone? Absolutely not. Did it play a role? It absolutely did.

      But fine…agree to disagree on Kirkland, but I sense you approached the article with some pre-conceived notions about what it would say and didn’t both to actually think about what you were reading.

      The reality is I could easily pull a half a dozen quotes from the article that I think most would view as favorable to the Titleist Brand and its business model, so what that said, I’d ask that you re-read the article with an open mind to what it is we actually wrote, and then come back and tell me if you really believe it was negative. – TC

      PS. I totally forgot to mention – our last 3 Titleist Articles (to the best of my recollection):

      818 Hybrid Release
      718 Iron Release
      JP Wedge Wedge

      If you wouldn’t mind re-reading those as well; I’d like your opinion as to which of those would justify classifying today’s piece as “*another* negative Titleist article”.

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      Alex McCormack

      7 years ago

      I absolutely went into the article thinking “this is yet another negative piece on Titleist” because you do have that track record. Yes you have given them coverage on new releases (you have to in order to be relevant – let’s be fair), but you have your fair share of anti-Titleist pieces.

      The financials don’t lie – but how do they compare to other companies? The comments are full of people rejoicing on the slow death of Titleist, but how do they compare to TM, Callaway et al? If it’s a trend across the board – then it’s not something to rejoice. It’s the slow death of the GAME, not just one company.

      I have been that guy looking for an alternative to the Pro V1X. I tried TM’s ball when it came out. I bought Snell’s when they got released in Australia. Guess what I’m playing now? Pro V’s.

      It is telling that they are selling 4 dozen personalised for the price of 3 dozen here (equating to $55 AUD per dozen – normally $75 AUD) getting them in line with TM…

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      Birdieputt

      7 years ago

      Sorry Alex, I disagree with you. If you’ve been “that guy looking for an alternative to the Pro-V1X”, then you haven’t been looking very hard.
      I think that the Bridgestone 330 RXS spins just as well, has the “stopping power” on the green and certainly costs a lot less than the Pro-V-1. Other Bridgestone 330’s also perform well depending on your game. The Snell ball also performs quite well both in distance and in work ability near the green. Again, a much lower price point.
      In my way of thinking, the Pro-V-1 is a good ball but NOT worth the extra $10.00 or more/dozen.

      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      Alex McCormack we have a strong track record of doing our own thing, forging our own path, while becoming one of the most relevant golf media outlets. We don’t need to cover Titleist, or anyone else for that matter. We cover what we want to and we do it on our terms. That last part is why we have issues with some manufacturers.

      Those last three articles, I wrote them because I believed what I was being told would make for a good story.

      We also have a long history of covering financial info when we think it’s worth covering. We’ve covered TM and Callaway in the past, but this is actually the first time we’ve covered Titleist in this manner. The other leaders in the industry…Callaway up in Q2, TaylorMade info isn’t as readily available as adidas hasn’t said much since the sale (I suspect it was up slightly due to release schedules and the ball), and Ping being privately held doesn’t share info. In general, Callaway’s rise had come at the expense of everyone else, but none of those others have a club biz that was off 20+% YOY.

      Yes, The industry is hurting, but some are hurting worse than others. None of that changes the fact that the article itself was at worst balanced and most would likely read it as optimistic.

      I think some of this MGS hates Titleist nonsense stems from the Kirkland test. Our conclusions in that case were 100% data driven. Titleist didn’t like that. It also doesn’t approve of how we’ve covered Snell.

      To be sure, I wasn’t happy about what I view as a nonsense letter from Titleist legal, but shit happens and you move on.

      I absolutely believe the ball division is heavy handed. That’s my opinion and I’m entitled to it.

      That said, No I’ll feelings, no grudges ever – and I think that’s what you’ll find in our Titleist coverage.

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      surfpops

      7 years ago

      Wait… What???
      Letter from Titleist Legal.
      Please share deets…

      Alex McCormack

      7 years ago

      To be honest – I wasn’t bothered by the Pro V vs Kirkland test. A ball impossible to buy isn’t relevant to me any way.

      The Scotty real v fake article was poor journalism. Even testing a fake piece of gear is hurting the industry that feeds you. Giving fake gear an ounce of credibility does not help your cause. You could have tested a fake Odyssey, or a fake Spider, but of course you tested a fake Scotty…

      The disclaimer wasn’t enough – it told people that they didn’t need to buy from the legitimate golf industry, that the development of equipment shouldn’t be rewarded or paid for, and you can jump onto Alibaba and buy a fake and you’ll be fine.

      Whether you like it or not, you have a perceived bias against Titleist, and any article like the one here is going to have readers either groaning or rubbing their hands together thinking “Mygolfspy are getting stuck into them again!” before they even open the link.

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      MyGolf Spy

      7 years ago

      Seeing as you are a public member of Titleist, Scotty Cameron, Bob Vokey, FootJoy (Australia) tells me what I need to know in this particular situation. – MGS Owner

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      Sherwin Springer

      7 years ago

      Alex seems to hate MGS as much as he says MGS hates Titleist.

      John Sears

      7 years ago

      Titliest will respond by suing Q2.

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      Ryan Kelly

      7 years ago

      Haha! Thanks for the laughs, John. Comment of the day right here.

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      Rob Forsyth

      7 years ago

      Pro V in U.K. are normally £42-44, Chromesoft £29.99…..Don’t think I need say too much more on balls……People know 718 irons are on the way so no brainer on that score. New irons look superb so no doubt equipment will bounce back most of the way.

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      Mike Stover

      7 years ago

      They have been marketing to a shrinking population (older country club set). Does Titleist even advertise it’s clubs on TV? Boring lineup year after year.

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      DAVE

      7 years ago

      I think if people look at it, Titleist clubs are no more expensive than Callaway etc… Balls may be more than most but like anything else, if you don’t want them then buy something else. Maybe just leave it at that and quit complaining about everything and enjoy golfing.

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      James Benjamin

      7 years ago

      Stick to golf balls!

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      Uhit

      7 years ago

      …and reduce the price of the balls.

      If the quality control allows decentered balls to hit the market,
      there is no reason why they should charge more than other companies with their decentered balls.

      I have cut a few balls in half, and made the salt water floating test, and the inner quality is not as shiny, as the outer cover makes us believe.

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      Regis

      7 years ago

      I’ve been playing for over 50 years, most of that time at a private club. At one time Titleist clubs were only available in pro shops. To some extent that explains their elite image history. But Titleist was slow to adapt to industry advances like slot technology and adjustable hosels. Then many pro shops (Even at private clubs) stopped stocking clubs. Good avid golfers looked elsewhere and many private fitters have no brand allegiance. Titleist makes great clubs but IMHO no better than Mizuno,Srixon, TMAG or Callaway to name a few. Go to any private club , even the elite clubs and you’ll find as many of those brands in the top players bags as you will Titleist. That wasn’t the case 25 years ago.

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      Steve P

      7 years ago

      FACT: Slot technology is an Acushnet invention. They were just among the last companies to actually feature it in their clubs.

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      Kevin Unterreiner

      7 years ago

      I’ve run golf tournaments for public golfers for 20 years so talk to and see what golfers are playing every week. My humble opinion is that long term arrogance by Titleist (We’re #1 & sue any small ball company that tries to enter the market) combined with measuring devices that prove cheaper balls & clubs perform just as well is what is contributing to the decline. Plus losing a $4 ball hurts no matter what income level you are at. The younger generation is more price conscious, too, and not as enamored with brand loyalty. If anything, they don’t want to play what their parents do… Like Callaway Golf, the golf companies that are doing the best right now (eg. TopGolf) are the ones that are new/hip and doing creative online and social media marketing and presenting golf as fun and social…not stuffy. At least in my market, the Titleist reps cater to the private clubs and high end corporate events and do absolutely nothing to support grass roots efforts to grow the game.

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      Phanin

      7 years ago

      Agree. The younger ones don’t care about “prestige,” they care about their game, the way things look and feel. Titleist and Callaway are seen as ‘dads’ brand, so they seem old. Callaway was lucky with their ‘epic’ drivers that younger YouTube reviewers play them.
      Otherwise, I don’t believe they would be so successful. The YouTube reviewers now seem to have a lot of power in swaying the market as they have no brand loyalty.

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      Scott Macleod

      7 years ago

      Titleist is a greedy multinational corporation. Man, they charge $50 for a hat for a kid to wear … so the kid can advertise their product, when was the last time anyone enjoyed buying golf balls? We hit them we lose them, they make us cry they make us laugh. But fuck man they are too expensive and if a ball is the best, then make it cheaper so people can enjoy using them without busting the bank, just so some Tour Pro can fly around the world in a private Jet.

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      David Conlon

      7 years ago

      For the better part of the last decade the only Titleist clubs I used were Vokey wedges, and I still do on occasion. I did like the NXT Tour ball; then I discovered the Vice equivalent. I’ve always had much better success with Ecco shoes over other brands (and I’ve tried many, including FootJoy). I have a DryJoy rain suit, which is anything but dry in the rain so my go-to rain suit is now a Kartel. I do like my Titleist hats, though.

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      John Krug

      7 years ago

      I could only wear Footjoy Contour golf shoes and have several pairs. Unfortunately, for some reason Footjoy changed the last making their new shoes unwearable for me. In addition the new Contour shoes feel cheap because they are putting less material in the shoes. Why they would do this is inexplicable.

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      Uhit

      7 years ago

      Same here,

      the meanwhile over 3 year old model was solid and comfortable, the later model had issues with the sole after a few month.
      I received a new pair without problems.
      However the new pair had the same issues after about a year (the glued parts separated themselfs)…

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      Garry Pierce

      7 years ago

      I love the numbers. Shorted GOLF and 21 and will cover when it gets below 13. No reason for the stock to go up. Price is what is really killing golf.. I own a golf store. I hear more bitching about PRICE than I ever here about how long. The golf industry has deaf ears to this. Industry tries to pound time as the problem. WRONG!!

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      #1 Ball for a reason.... every season

      7 years ago

      I totally agree on the issue of price. The economy is still not back and as a result, only the wealthiest consumers are not price conscious. Titleist has only 1 driver and its $499. They have 1 fairway wood and its $319. They have only one hybrid (really 2 variations) and its $249. They have reduced the potential for sales by eliminating a large economic category. I love the club product line but price is the problem right now.

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      Jeff

      7 years ago

      Garry, I think you are spot on. As someone who plays about 50-60 rounds/year, playing at a lower to moderately priced private club, and carry a 7 handicap, I do spend a little more than the average golfer on the game annually. I love to tinker with equipment, and I probably replace most clubs in my bag on about a 2-3 year cycle. I’ve had fittings, been on the monitors, taken demos out on the course, and time and again, I hardly see the huge improvement that justifies spending premium $$ for clubs. I, and those within my regular group, have become much more content to test new gear and patiently wait until the end of the year or product cycle for these clubs to decrease in price. As a write this and think about all of my buddy’s bags, I think 1 out of the 12 of us has actually spent more than $175-200 on their driver (and even he got his Ping G as a demo last year for <$250), and definitely, no one has dropped $1000 for their irons.

      Even with our own club, our pro is aware of this and there are much less club offerings available than 5-10 years ago, even with our club having 700+ members now vs ~500 members then. He is content to sell apparel, shoes, balls, bags, rangefinders/GPS, and gloves, and fit/order clubs, but there's just no margin to justify stocking the shop full of retail priced clubs.

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      Tony

      7 years ago

      The connotation that T is for better players and therefore get fitted as an assertion is medieval thinking. All the other guys have fitting systems and you don’t have to go on a Thursday to get fitted. While who cares what the pro’s play. Titlest forgot about the section of golfers that will try different things, change equipment. The low handicaps don’t change equipment as much as the little guy. I’m sure ball share hit the skids because of TP5, which doesn’t need to be the #1 ball on tour, but if Joe public doesn’t notice the prov being any different we will choose the same performance for less and sometimes alot less.

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      Michael Riley

      7 years ago

      Great article and analysis of the current golf industry. All very true commentd and spot on.
      PRICE is the 800 lb. gorilla in the room !!
      Titleist has been gouging us for years, especially on glof balls. This $50 bucks a doz
      stuff needs to stop and it will because we (most golfers) have had it. They make a very small change in the ball, tell us how much better it is and raise the price !! NO MORE
      That game is over……….
      The golf clubs are good, especially the drivers. They usually have the most current technology.
      As for their irons, I’m a loyal Mizuno fan, have been for over 20 years. They are the best forged irons on the market in my humble opinion, although Jordon and Justin might disagree.
      It will be interesting to see what unfolds in this industry. Hopefully we consumers will benefit.
      Thanks!

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      Sherwin

      7 years ago

      People bashing Titleist for being conservative with classic looks and 2 year product cycle, then bash TaylorMade for being the total opposite.

      As a Titleist fan, I do see the “better player” culture being an issue for some. But I believe business is down because the whole market is down. Callaway is up because they are loud and flashy, but they are headed the same way as the rest of the industry. Especially, if the Epic Star line is the type of product they intend to roll out.

      Titleist will be fine. I love the new irons and hybrids.

      What the golf industry needs is for a few more companies to go by-bye.

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      Garry Pierce

      7 years ago

      Titleist might be the one to go bye bye. Lets go back a few years. Bridgestone sued Titleist for using their ball compound. A 5 billion dollar set back. Future brands who owned them, got tired of slumping sales and law suits. he were sold off to a couple Korean companies. One a hedge fund and the other sport clothing line. At 1st during the bidding TM wanted Titleist for ball patents and was going to sell of the rest. Callaway’s bid was basically the same. Titleist is less than a billion dollar a year stock on the NYSE. To small for the big investors to follow. Titleist has a MAJOR PROBLEM(s). Lack of bodies and high pricing

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      Ron

      7 years ago

      First the economy is a issue also the companies need to look at the prices they are charging for there equipment people have been hit hard by the slowdown. So people have moved on or are not willing to pay for overpriced equipment

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      alan

      7 years ago

      Someone should whisper in Titleist management’s ears, THE DEMOGRAPHICS ARE AGAINST YOU !!! Fix your product line !!

      Golfers are getting older, NOT younger. The younger golfers do not have the time or money for golf today. So you are left with 50+ year olds that are not single digit Handicappers and need all of the ball & club help they can get.

      Only a small percentage of Titleist products focus on this segment. All of this while competition particularly on the ball side, has eaten their breakfast in the past year.
      Titleist needs a new stagey to either skinny down to the size of the market it primarily cater to, or develop new/more product lines for the older golfer.

      you may mot like the shovel size of a big Bertha iron but to a senior with 80 mph swing speed it is highly superior to the 716 line.

      Clinging to the way we have always done it is NOT a winning strategy !!

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      Rick

      7 years ago

      I’ll start by saying that I’ve always been a Titleist guy and played Titleist clubs only until the past three years or so. They make a quality product and I still play their ball but not exclusively. My issue with Titleist is their holier than thou attitude that has existed for a long time. This extends from their reps down to their headquarters staff. All of the other companies out there want your business and bend over backwards to get it. To be honest, all of the major golf companies are making quality products now. What started me on my anti-Titlest move is small but broke the camels back and confirmed their righteous attitude. Titleist refuses to allow their OEM shaft adapters to be available to the public. Even the local golf pros couldn’t get them. All of the other manufacturers offer their OEM adapters for sale. In this age of adjustable and easily changeable shafts, having the opportunity to switch out shafts (as the market is reaping with new shafts) without having to purchase a shaft direct from Titleist is great for the customer. The customer is what Titleist seems to have forgotten. What Titleist has lost from me and perhaps others are sales, not from simply their metal wood line, but from their entire product line. Wake up Titleist. Look deep at yourself and not just the adapter. Snobbery works with selling Bentleys but not golf clubs. Customer service is what the public wants. Anybody can make a good club nowadays.

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      Jon

      7 years ago

      Titleist will rue the day they decided to go public. Having to report quarterly earnings, and having management and the company being judged by each quarter’s results, is a poor way to develop long term results.

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      Lemuel Beauchamp

      7 years ago

      Very good analysis Ryan! In my opinion, Titleist is not giving enough attention to a growing section of the market, females. Every day I see more girls and ladies pick up the game. The LPGA is doing a great job at creating a marketing strategy that welcomes new audience, and hopefully more players. I agree that the market is correcting its volume, probably the lost revenue can come from the gals.

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      Ryan Kelly

      7 years ago

      Thanks for reading, Lemuel. I appreciate the feedback. I would also comment that it’s pretty clear through their advertising that they aren’t targeting females. But it’s definitely a segment that they may consider more moving forward.

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      Jeff

      7 years ago

      I think that is correct. My daughter just bought a set of Pings (mens G) with senior graphite shafts. Looked at Titleist but nothing comparable in game improvement.

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      Mike

      7 years ago

      If they want to increase sales then cut their prices. Everyone knows their products are overpriced anyway but Titleist knows the breakeven mark so how low do they go. I’ve noticed especially in the hat market they’ve jumped from $18-$22 all the way to $25-$27 in a year or so. I draw the line at $20 for a hat. I’ll wait for a sale and pick one up.

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      justin case

      7 years ago

      I saw Titleist hats yday in GG with no sales tags or specials… at 14.99

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      Dave

      7 years ago

      Did they have any Mizuno ones for sale

      Ken

      7 years ago

      T must consider rolling back prices, especially w/ ProV lineup. Their competitors are essentially just as good as their flagship ball. They are running on an aging business model that is struggling terribly in this market. Time to change.

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      #1 Ball - 69 Years and Counting

      7 years ago

      Titleist may do a lot of things but they won’t reduce the price on a ball that still DOMINATES market share. $27 hats are an issue. $499 drivers are an issue. A ball that has basically been $49.95 for 10+ years may not go up but it won’t be reduced. They will adjust the rest of the ball line and have better ball in the $30 price point. That is where they are getting KILLED right now. The NXT Tour and Velocity are simply not great balls. They are OK but many others have urethane covers and are simply better.

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      Alex

      7 years ago

      Blockbuster still dominated the movie market after redbox came out. They will still sell pro v 1s for $50 a box for a long time, the issue is they will begin to bleed customers slowly for a long time. Once those customers switch to a Q star tour (or any other ball) for $30 a dozen, they aren’t coming back. It’s a business story that’s been told 100 times, when you are top for so long, you cannot conceive that it will eventually spiral out of control. (Sent from my blackberry)

      #1 BALL FOR A REASON..... EVERY SEASON!

      7 years ago

      I see other balls mentioned in the comments as taking market share (One was the TM TP5x at $44.95, one was the Chrome Soft at $39.95 and you mention the Q Star Tour at $29.95) or being a ball that is “as good as”. I love the Z Star and have tried the Q Star Tour. I think, overall, they are nearly “as good as”. My question would be, at what price does “Nearly as good as” make you purchase another ball regularly? For me, $44.95 does not even remotely move the needle. $39.95 may make me hesitate a second but I can get Titleist with my own imprint for $37.50 if I buy early in the year. As a whole, $29.95 is where I start to think, “Nearly as good as and saving $20 a dozen if worthwhile”. If companies don’t push that price point with a premium ball, I think this whole discussion is moot. Even Srixon’s Q-Star is positioned as a “less than Z-Star” line although it has the same urethane cover and Spin Skin technology. I firmly believe… Titleist will be coming out with a lower priced urethane cover ball positioned to be “less than Pro V1” that will squelch alot of this conversation because it will be “as good as” all of the other so-called competitors premium balls.

      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      It is an interesting question. I think if you try a Vice or a Snell and find that it performs every bit as well as a Titleist offering and are willing to make a commitment of sorts savings can be huge on a volume basis (~$25/dozen). It’s not Kirkland pricing, but depending on the shop it’s half the price of Pro V1s (promotional discounts not withstanding). If we accept $50 as the going rate for a dozen Pro V1s (always some variance, but we need a starting point), to my mind, $45 probably isn’t enough, but $40…that’s 20% less for nearly, similar, or better performance depending on the individual and his perspective. That’s enough for me.

      I haven’t checked the ball numbers lately, but my guess would be Titleist is already bouncing back by some measure. Losing premium placement at Dick’s certainly hurt, but I don’t get the sense Chrome Soft X moved the needle like Chrome Soft did, and so Callaway is effectively now in year 2 of its product cycle. The TP5 had plenty of early momentum, and in some places they’re still hard to find, but TM does not have nearly the green grass distribution that Titleist has, and since ~60% of ball sales are on-course, it’s reasonable to expect Titleist would regain some lost ground.

      To a point you made in a previous comment regarding other manufacturers trying to catch Titleist. The reality is – in my opinion – the other guys caught up to Titleist years ago (and again, depending on the golfer, actually offer higher-performing balls). So it’s no longer about making a ball that is as good or better, it’s about convincing the consumer of as much. The Chrome Soft kicked the door open for that (ironically, I don’t believe the original Chrome Soft could sniff either Pro V1 for ‘tour-level’ performance), but Callaway crafted a great story, and within a year’s time had also crafted a demonstrably better (compared to the original CS) better ball. Srixon, Bridgestone, and TM have been at worse level for years, but when Callaway offered discount pricing on ‘Tour Performance’, it changed the equation because it was the first time anybody had been able to compete with Titleist with a lower priced ball. Door open, Snell, Vice, & Kirkland walked on through. It’s hard to be certain since none of those sales are datatech reported, but my thinking is that while none of them have taken any significant chunk, combined they’re taking a decent cut of the dollars spent.

      That said, with TM holding at $45 and Bridgestone raising prices, that could actually work to Titleist’s advantage, it puts Titleist on less of an island from a pricing perspective.

      It certainly seems like you know what I know; a new Titleist ball is coming. It’s going to be very interesting to see how it tackles the marketing problem. How do you market a ball in such a way as to not diminish or compete with your flagship offering, while not positioning it as less than the ProV1 and by extension less than the balls that compete with the Pro V1 in the Tour Category? If it’s not perceived as tour quality, then you have a $40/dozen NXT with a better cover. Tough sell.

      justin case

      7 years ago

      Pro V1s in Golf Galaxy yesterday… 39.99 No special. No sale.

      They will reduce their prices. When they do, they will also take back over the market that they lost.

      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      $39.99 is prior generation product. Still being produced as a means to compete on price, I believe.

      10shot

      6 years ago

      Yea know, I know a little about a company that tried and succeeded juat like u stated. Highest priced wireless plans in america. Then a little company (26-32billion Tmobile) changed all that. Now the big bad Verizon has put unlimited and 40.00 per line as the main plan. Never, meve

      Eric

      7 years ago

      It’s nice to see that bad weather helped Epic sales growth. Still waiting for that $29 a dozen high quality Titleist balls.

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      Johnny Cowboy

      7 years ago

      New DT True Soft is a high quality Titleist ball for $23/dozen

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      eric

      7 years ago

      lol. no one plays that ball. point above was titleist could give two craps about any ball they make except pro v and at 48 a dozen its a rip off

      Gorden

      7 years ago

      DT True Soft $23 a dozen, that is a two piece ball that is going to run off just about any hard green out there, even Maxfli U6 were only $14.95 a dozen this past week and they are miles ahead of any lower end Titleist golf ball….

      Scott

      7 years ago

      Yes… the DT true soft is a great ball. Had a chance to demo a sleeve…. long off the tee and exceptional spin on the greens (very surprised!) if they sell for $23 dozen that will be awesome….. might be a winner for titleist

      johnny cowboy

      7 years ago

      Hmmm. I must be exceptional then because I can get it to spin back about 10 feet on a 9 iron into the green.

      Shortside

      7 years ago

      The True Soft is definitely not the Solo. Premium ball? No. Way better than some seem to want to acknowledge? Absolutely. Grab a sleeve for grins and see for yourself. Spins a lot more than you’d expect.

      Jeff

      7 years ago

      Johnny, I’m with you. I get a test sleeve almost every year from Titleist, and use them for a few rounds, then submit my review. I could tell this spring that my test sleeve was the TruSoft when they came out. Not a bad ball at all, definitely worth the price. If I’m being really picky, my hybrids and mid-long irons run out a little bit, but I can still stop my short irons and wedges well enough since I have a high ball flight.

      RICH

      7 years ago

      Titleist has been king of the hill in the past they were slow to react the wants of the public because they thought they had the market in their back pocket and Taylormade ,Callaway, Cobra, WilsonStaff,and others were not sitting on their thumbs and made changes by actually designing equipment that was not just a little paint and shine job. Titleist refused to change due to their popularity and in many ways have yet to fully remake themselves . Just look at the shoes , still the platform of old with color flash and slick advertising ..
      They really have to change their way of thinking (when you get hungry enough – change or become extinct) GET YOUNG OUT OF THE BOX THINKING !!

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      Rod_CCCGOLFUSA

      7 years ago

      It might help if Titleist reps showed up at demo days with something other than 70g x-stiff drivers and TT-S400 shafted irons. Anyone with less than a 105 mph club speed receives the message “not for you.” And reps are not shy about turning average golfers away. This is a culture, not just a marketing challenge.

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      #1 Ball - 69 Years and Counting

      7 years ago

      It’s a shame your experience has been such. The AP1 has been available at every demo day I have attended. My pro shop even has a full set in regular flex. Last year they had a graphite regular and this year they had a steel regular. Same with drivers… they have a 50Gram regular flex 10.5* that can be demoed any day as well as a 16.5* regular FW wood. Titleist is already making great clubs for the high handicappers they are just not good at letting people know it.

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      Tim

      7 years ago

      Wilson Staff is up! :) #fanboy

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      Richard Morris

      7 years ago

      I’m in, give me a dozen duo’s and I’ll smoke them pro v’s

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      dcorun

      7 years ago

      I agree. If you can find the Wilson Zip get them at 2 dozen for $25. I like them a little better than the Duo.

      What?

      7 years ago

      The duo is a nice ball and feels great. However, its not in the same league as a pro V1. They do totally different things and are not aimed at the same golfer. Its like comparing shotguns and machine guns…. they are guns but that’s about all they have in common.

      Robert Cotterill

      7 years ago

      I am a long term Titleist supporter and I enjoyed your article. What surprised me about Epic is the fact that they are having many of their drivers returned due failure in the sole. Why isn’t this being discussed? It’s almost like they want to get a new improved model out to the market place, sell off the backlog and hope that the problems with Epic will just go away.

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      #1 Ball - 69 Years and Counting

      7 years ago

      I have heard the same about the Taylor Made Product and I think product failures are some of the reasons Titleist and Ping play it a bit closer to the vest.

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      Scott

      7 years ago

      Maybe they should increase their advertising budget, and start playing pro players $50,000.00 a weekend to play their ball and wear their threads. It’s evident $10k isn’t doing the trick. All the giant golf equipment need a reality check, price inflation is killing their customer base, thus opening opportunities for small startups (ex. Snell, Vice, Bombtech). Not to go on a rant, but having played for the past 30 years the golf giants have been throwing money away with endorsement deals. I believe the next generation of golfers, are a little more savvy on how they invest their money. Green fees and equipment inflation is killing this sport, opening the opportunities for “golf style” sports like Topgolf.

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      Nik Bando

      7 years ago

      Spot on, Scott. Consumers are more informed today than ever before. The entire industry (from Sponsorships, to Advertising, to branding) is slow to adapt. High-margin businesses will be exposed. Those who don’t adapt will lose a ton of market share. There’s a reason why Callaway is creeping up… look at the way they approach sponsorships, advertising, and branding.

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      Walker

      7 years ago

      If guys walked, golf would be about 33% cheaper. Just 20-30 years ago even the 70 year olds were walking 18 with push carts. Now, the high schoolers have trouble riding 9 holes. Golf fees are not that much more expensive but everyone expects to ride and wonders why they spend $30-40 a round.

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      Ron Lay

      7 years ago

      So true. I am 71 and carry my clubs for 18. I am baffled that the youngsters are using a cart. WTF?

      Jason Burnett

      7 years ago

      By having a bad Q3.

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      James

      7 years ago

      The same article could be applied to TaylorMade. Their sales are down. Most every company’s is down except for maybe Callaway because of Epic. Reflects the fact that golf is reverting back to participation levels that would be considered more normal for the sport. The 1990s and early 2000s saw a boom because of the economy and the impact of Tiger Woods. Tiger’s impact is gone, there is no larger than life personality on Tour anymore that generates his buzz, and people that took up golf found out it is hard. Add to that, a lot of younger people aren’t taking up golf either. Too many distractions such as video games and the like for younger people. This was a golf industry correction that was bound to happen as the boom year numbers were unsustainable. How companies adjust to the new reality of golf will be pivotal going forward.

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      Scott

      7 years ago

      Well said, drop the mic….

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      JB

      7 years ago

      Best explanation I’ve read in a very long time.

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