The End of the AP Era: Titleist Announces T100, T200, and T300 Irons
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The End of the AP Era: Titleist Announces T100, T200, and T300 Irons

The End of the AP Era: Titleist Announces T100, T200, and T300 Irons

It’s been just under 2-years since Titleist released the 718 AP series, so you wouldn’t be alone in expecting to find the new 720s here. That isn’t going to happen. AP is gone (likely for good) – replaced by the three new models that make up the T-Series. This isn’t one of those new name on the same old thing releases either. As we’re all aware, it’s not uncommon for golf brands to rely on a not-much-has-changed refresh to extend the shelf life of products which are otherwise past their prime, but that’s not what’s happening here. “It’s not take these products and call them something else,” says Josh Talge, VP of Golf Club Marketing for Titleist. “We’re going in a different direction.”

That different direction is potentially the next big thing from Titleist – the company’s first new iron franchise in nearly 12-years.

We’re not quite at another of the equipment industry’s everything is different now moments, but when Titleist looked deeper at its new irons, it realized what it had was a significant departure from what it has previously offered in the iron category.

“We had a lot of internal debate about the franchise name,” says Talge. “It’s hard to say this is an AP2 when we’ve changed the size and shape and little bit of the performance. We started getting into these products, and this [T300] definitely isn’t an AP1. It doesn’t look anything like an AP1; it’s powered by something very different. Yes, it’s a game-improvement iron, so that part of it is an AP1, but everything else is different.”

On second thought, I guess everything is different now.

As you’ll with each iron, all of what Talge says is inarguably true. A good bit of the T-Series is a noteworthy departure from AP, but it’s also fair to suggest Titleist had reached the point where it was necessary to draw cleaner lines between new and old, and AP is most definitely old – twelve years and six models old. And while there’s been continued evolution from one iteration to the next and AP3 likely injected a bit of new life into the franchise, not much has changed in any significant way.

It’s true that AP expanded Titleist’s reach in the iron category, but the consequence of its plodding consistency is that some golfers who might have last tried an AP iron in 2010 may not have been particularly inclined to give Titleist irons another look since. T-Series is an opportunity to reengage with golfers.

“AP helped us broaden from only making serious clubs for serious golfers,” says Josh Talge. “Now we want to push that even further.” To do that, Titleist needs to make it abundantly clear the T-Series is not only something new but something entirely different.

As we work our way through the new models, you’re going to see new constructions, new materials, and as you’d expect, strong lofts too. Titleist hopes you’ll look past the numbers long enough to allow it to dispel the notion of loft-jacking. That’s not to say loft-jacking isn’t real, or that it isn’t problematic when poorly executed, but Titleist believes its approach – a fitting campaign it calls GET DIALED 3D – will overcome the pitfalls common to many of its competitors’ jacked irons.

FYI – The 3 Ds you need to get dialed are Dodge, Dip, Dive…sorry wrong movie.

Titleist’s 3 Ds are Distance (Carry), Dispersion (tighter), and Descent (angle).

“From a fitting perspective, if you can get those three,” says Josh Talge, “you’re going to play way better golf.”

With a 3D approach, Titleist argues that stronger lofts don’t have to mean diminished playability, though Talge is all too well aware that if you hope to sell many irons, they better perform on the launch monitor – and that means you have to keep up.

“You can’t lose a ball speed battle badly, but at the same time we’re going to challenge the preconceived notions of just distance,” he says. “We want to give players the performance that they need, but also be the thing that gets their hair to stand up on end, even in a fitting bay.”

Titleist hopes that by offering the complete package – looks, feel, and distance, it can’t get golfers excited about its irons. That’s something that, perhaps, it hasn’t done in a while.

Titleist T100 Irons

The design objective for the Titleist T100 iron was straightforward enough; take feedback from the best players in the world – guys like Jordan Spieth – and use it to craft the ultimate tour iron.

T100 will almost certainly become the most widely played iron across all global tours, but what noteworthy is that, as the replacement for the AP2, there’s still enough forgiveness that single to low double-digit handicap golfers (depending on ball-striking ability) can play it.

“If you want to play a tour iron…if you’re a regular golfer, you can handle this,” says Josh Talge. “It feels great, it looks great, it’s fun, and it’s consistent.”

As you’d expect from a legitimate tour iron, the T100 doesn’t offer the same suite of technology as the T200 and T300, but the collection of small changes adds up to an iron that’s significantly different from its predecessors.

With T100 and the new 620 CB, the design evolution has pushed the iron a bit towards the better player. If you have the opportunity to compare AP2 and T100 side by side, you’ll find that the new iron is appreciably more compact. The blade length is shorter, the topline is thinner, and there’s less offset. A Jordan Spieth inspired narrower sole offers more camber with a blended pre-worn leading edge that provides a faster transition from the leading edge to the sole and helps the iron move faster through the turf at impact. That’s a part of the story that will repeat itself with each iron we discuss.

The set design is progressive, meaning the heads get steadily smaller as the clubs get shorter. It’s a bit like having a pre-bundled combo set. That too is a feature common to all of the new offerings. From one end of the T100 set to the other, there’s a graceful transition from something the size of an AP2 3-iron to a pitching wedge that’s similar to a Titleist CB.

“None of the players have been asking us for longer [blade length] short irons,” says Marni Ines, Director of Iron Development, Titleist Golf Club R&D. The compact scoring clubs provide a smoother transition to Vokey (or any other) wedges.

And speaking of wedges, while Titleist isn’t going full Ben Hogan (even Hogan doesn’t go full Ben Hogan anymore), it is stamping the loft number on all of its T-series pitching wedges. We know that golfers don’t always maintain logical or even sensible gaps between wedges, so the hope is that by showing the loft on the set wedge, it will make it easier for golfers to find the right loft for the next wedge in their bag.

Like the AP2, the T100 is a forged iron. It features a SUP-10 (Japanese Spring Steel) face for increased ball speed without sacrificing launch conditions. The 3 through 7-irons feature an average of 66-grams of high-density tungsten split between the toe and heel to push mass lower in the head and boost stability.

Titleist T100 Specifications

“Our design philosophy for irons is always to try and stretch out the long and mid-iron end of the set because most players don’t have a ton of their disposal – at some point your gaps are going to start shrinking at the long iron end of the set, so we’re always trying to pull that out to make the set more usable for the largest cross-section of users. So, in the long and mid irons, especially in the mid, our players are seeing a little bit more ball speed and a touch less spin which helps gap them out.” – Marni Ines

Stock shaft offerings are True Temper AMT White (Steel) and the new MCA Tensei White AM2 (Graphite). The latter is a new ascending mass design. Weight increase by 2-grams per club (94-108g). Both stock offerings are categorized as low launch and low spin.

The stock grip is Golf Pride’s Tour Velvet 360. It’s an updated model that’s a bit tackier and more durable than the original.

As always, Titleist offers a plethora of no-upcharge alternatives for both shaft and grip.

Retail price for the T100 is $175 per iron with steel shafts ($1,399/8-club set) and $187.50 per iron with graphite shafts ($1,499/8-club set).

Titleist T200 Irons

With the T200 we’re moving solidly into that 3D approach we discussed at the beginning of this story. The design goal for the iron was distance without sacrificing looks, feel, trajectory, or stopping power.

That should be easy.

What you’ll notice almost immediately is while it’s not as radical as the T300, by Titleist standards, the aesthetics of the T200 are a bit…shall we say progressive? Some of that comes from a genuine need to modernize the lineup, but a good bit of it is attributable to the inclusion of what Titleist calls Max Impact Technology in the 4 through 7 irons.

To explain what Max Impact technology is from a physical standpoint, Titleist draws comparisons to a trampoline. If your goal is to bounce higher (create more speed), what do you do? In your backyard, you’d stretch the trampoline and make it tighter. In the iron design world, the equivalent is making the face thinner. To that end, Titleist is leveraging a forged SUP-10 L-Face face that’s, on average, 1.9mm thick (and thinner still closer to the sole). Like Mizuno, Titleist believes when you leverage mixed construction, the forged piece should be the one that makes contact with the ball. Specifics aside, the thinner face portion of this story has been told a time or two before.

Continuing our trampoline analogy; if you wanted more bounce (even more speed) – let’s call it a double-bounce – what would you do? Titleist says that a solution might be to place an exercise ball under the trampoline. You’d get the bounce from the trampoline (the face), and because the ball is effectively anchored to the ground, it would give you something akin to bounce on bounce.

I realize this is all slightly convoluted and I’m not convinced the physics directly translate, but hopefully, it provides some sort of visual for how this Max Impact thing is supposed to work.

The screw in the back of the T200 head isn’t for swing weighting as most of us assumed. It serves as the anchor for Max Impact, and since we can’t see what’s on the inside, it offers us the requisite amount of visual technology. It’s the ground in our trampoline analogy.

The real-world manifestation of the exercise ball is a new polymer core positioned inside the iron which not only produces more speed but helps to balance the speed across the entire face. While I want to make it abundantly clear the core isn’t a chunk of Pro V1 buried in a clubhead, Titleist leveraged its ball team’s expertise to find a material that provides the right balance of resilience, dampening, and durability.

The keen-eyed among you will pick up on the fact that the Max Impact tech appears to be positioned a bit towards the toe (the bigger the iron, the more obvious it becomes). That’s by design. Max Impact evenly supports the entire clubface, not just the portion where the scorelines are. For that reason, it’s located at the geometric center of the clubface, which is different from the center of the hitting area. Locating it at geometric center balances the unsupported area of the face, which in turn, balances ball speeds between the heel and toe better than it would if the Max Impact core was centered relative to the scorelines.

The piece to understand here is the sweet spot is in the center of the hitting area, while Max Impact is in the geometric center of the entire clubface.

By some measure, the idea of Max Impact serves as a catch-all for the performance benefits; speed, consistency, and improved feel, Titleist says Max Impact delivers all of it, but that’s only part of it. If the new polymer core maintains playable conditions like Titleist says it will, it should make max impact on your scorecard (while leaving max impact marks on the green from the steep descent angles it produces). And, if all of that comes together, no doubt there’s some optimism that iron sales will have max impact on Titleist’s balance sheet.

The AP3 Replacement

As for where it fits in the Titleist lineup, the T200 is the replacement for the AP3. That means it’s categorized as player’s distance iron, even if, from a shaping perspective it’s closer to an AP2 710 or 712.

Like T100, it’s been slimmed down relative to its predecessor. Compared to AP3, blade lengths are shorter, toplines are thinner, there’s less offset, and a refined sole offers improved turf interaction. Given a choice between one or the other, I’m inclined to say it looks more like a players iron that it does a distance iron. AP3 was too big for my tastes, T200 isn’t.

An average of 90-grams of tungsten in each head drives the center of gravity down, which in addition to allowing for stronger static lofts, lowers the sweet spot and helps prevent fliers out of the rough. The Max Impact polymer core boosts ball speed across the face and provides dampening to mitigate the less than desirable feel often produced by thin faces.

Josh Talge says T200’s aesthetics take their inspiration from luxury watches. “We didn’t want sharks, and lasers, and hot dogs,” he said. “We really wanted to put the performance in a players package, not have it be scary, but have it look like a really good iron.” As with any other matter of opinion, your mileage on that last bit may vary.

Titleist T200 Specifications

With a 43° PW, lofts have held where they were with AP3, but Titleist concedes they’re solidly in what looks like jacked territory.

We’re not afraid of a 30° 7-iron or a 43° wedge because we’re going to get you speed, we’re going to get you launch, and we’re going to hit on all 3 of those Ds (distance, dispersion, descent angle),” says Josh Talge. “We think this is the best way to get you ball speed and higher ball speed across the face, get you higher launch, but all that Tungsten in there gets you closer to your target more often, and we’re going to be able to get your peak height so high that your descent angle is going to be great, so you’re going to stop at that target more often.

Adds Titleist’s Corey Gerrard, “Nothing good comes from being over the back of the green anywhere on the planet.”

With that in mind, Titleist hopes you won’t obsess over the number stamped on the bottom of the club. Despite the stronger lofts, because of the tungsten and Max Impact technology, the T200 should go higher and land every bit as soft as the more-traditionally lofted T100.

The best advice I can give is to try them and see how the T200 plays for you.

Stock shafts for the T200 are the True Temper AMT Black and the MCA Tensei Blue AMT (74-88g). Both options and are described as mid-launch and mid-spin.

The stock grip is again Golf Pride’s Tour Velvet 360

Retail price for the T200 is $175 per iron with steel shafts ($1,399/8-club set) and $187.50 per iron with graphite shafts ($1,499/8-club set).

Titleist T300 Irons

The T300 is the replacement for the AP1, so if you’re keeping up with the progression, you’ve probably figured out that as the numbers get bigger, the clubs get larger, and there’s a bit more bundled technology as well.

In this case, the technology story largely mirrors that of the T200, but it’s worth noting that unlike T200’s hollow body design, T300 features a cavityback implementation of Max Impact technology in the 4-7 irons (Max Impact has no real benefit in the higher lofted clubs, so as it does in the T200, its use stops at the 7-iron). Unlike AP1, the T300 offers cavityback designs through the entire set; there aren’t any hollow-body long irons this time around.

Because the head is physically larger, the Max Impact core that supports the face needed to be larger, but otherwise the polymer material is the same, and just like T200, the placement of the Max Impact technology appears off-center. It’s worth repeating that it’s designed to sit at the geometric center of the clubhead, not the center of the hitting area. Trust that Titleist has this particular detail figured out.

Other T-Series design standards trickle down to the T300 as well. It offers an improved sole design (more camber and bounce) to help the larger iron move through the turf more efficiently. It offers progressive blade lengths and progressive CG locations (high launching long irons, more penetrating scoring clubs).

Titleist describes T300 as a mid-sized cavity back design, and while it’s not nearly as compact as the others in the lineup, it’s not a clunky, or even overly-large, super game improvement iron.

Whether or not that makes it easy on the eyes is a different conversation entirely. Titleist wasn’t done any favors when the less than glamorous shots for the USGA’s conforming grooves database leaked before the glamour shots were released. The initial reaction to the iron hasn’t been kind, and it remains to be seen whether the tides will turn when consumers start hitting the product.

The negativity will likely dissipate with time, even if the T300 is the most cosmetically aggressive iron Titleist has ever created. It’s probably not what anybody expected from Titleist, but according to Josh Talge, “it goes high, it goes far. It’s really fun and exceptionally playable.”

If that proves true, the looks likely won’t matter anyway.

Titleist T300 Specifications

T300 lofts are jacked just a bit beyond that of the T200, but Titleist remains adamant that when you try the irons for yourself, you’re going to see that stronger lofts and added distance don’t come at the expense of green-stopping power and general playability.

Stock shaft offerings are the lightest in the T-Series iron lineup. The steel option is True Temper’s AMT Red, while the graphite option is the new Tensei Red AM2 (54-68g).

Both are described as high launch with mid-high spin.

The stock grip is Golf Pride’s Tour Velvet 360.

Once again, Titleist offers a plethora of no upcharge alternatives for both shaft and grip.

Retail price for the T300 is $125 per iron with steel shafts ($999/8-club set) and $137.50 per iron with graphite shafts ($1,099/8-club set).

Availability

Titleist T100, T200, and T300 irons are available for fittings beginning August 8th. Retail availability begins August 30th.

For more information, visit Titleist.com.

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      Johnny P

      4 years ago

      T 300 NO COMPARISON!! ?

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      David Rawn

      4 years ago

      I am 76 yrs old and no longer have anything approaching the swing speed I had 20 years ago, not to mention when I was a kid. I have found the the TS1 drive (off topic, sorry) works better for me than a TS2. I tried a 5 iron T300 (regular, steel shaft), and while I liked it, I found no difference in fall flight or distance from my AP1 918 with a graphite shaft. that out mean I have an incredibly low swing speed: I only hit it about 15-160 yards.

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      RM

      4 years ago

      T300 All day Long…

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      Gerald Teigrob

      5 years ago

      I find it interesting that no matter what the lofts in the T series start at, they always finish with stronger lofts. I am happy to see my Cobra F7 and Bio Cell irons combos play to lofts in the wedges that I appreciate, I still enjoy the 8 iron to gap wedge with 35, 40, 45. and 50 degree lofts. So for me to go to a 43 degree pitching wedge at this stage seems ridiculous. But then again with no standards in lofts, I could still be playing a 45 degree pitching wedge with the Titleist 43 degree lofts. Until there are standards in lofts, we will continue to work with what feels best for us and not become so enamored with loft variations. If I want to try out the AP 1s I will do that. We all need to pick our poison. I am happy with my Cobra irons and see no need to upgrade anytime soon. It;s changes like these that remind me why I am happy with what I currently play.

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      Matt Wiseley

      5 years ago

      Last weekend my club had a Titleist fitting tent set up so I scheduled a full fitting as I like the looks of these irons and wanted to try a full fitting. Long story short- the loft jacking made it impossible to match my current set up. I was hitting only the 7 iron but here are the results.

      Titleist T200/T300- basically identical #s carrying 194 and rolling to 201. Decent angle 41* and averaged 6600 rpm spin.
      Current Callaway Apex cf16- 193 carry and rolled to 196. Decent angle 45* and 8900 rpm spin.

      The fitter finally gave up and told me he couldn’t match my current numbers as the decent angle and spin hit the optimal range on some chart he was carrying.

      Needless to say- I’m not changing irons at this time.

      MW

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      Trev

      5 years ago

      Hey Matt, very interesting comments and results. I have looked up optimal landing angle,and it seems the fitter was referring to the same type of link: https://blog.trackmangolf.com/landing-angle/

      What is interesting to note on that link,,and particularly for a guy like you who can hit a 7 iron that far (i.e. some serious club head speed and ball speed), is that the pga numbers for decent angle are 50 degrees. Would you benefit from having more loft on your clubs and better shafts, which would get that spin down a bit and launch it higher (Providing that is what you are looking to do)?
      I have similar numbers but I don’t hit a 7 iron that far. I hit it about 185 carry. I play muira y-blades (i’m a lefty). and i have the KBS 130 $-taper shafts in. My decent angle is usually around 48, but I don’t spin them that high.. It lands and rolls a few feet forward.

      I was playing with S300 before in my previous mizuno irons with lower lofts,and the ball flight was not even close to how it is now. I used to be able to spin back a 3 iron hahaha. I used to hate that much spin and used to fight it by swinging “slower.”

      I appreciate you posting these results and it make me wonder what would happen to decent angle for a slower swinger who cannot launch the ball due to effective clubhead speed, I would assume it might be worse, thus resulting in approach shots rolling through the greens, and unintended scooping to try to manufacture that disappearing loft.

      Kudos for the fitter not trying to fit you into something that isn’t going to work as well. Good to see some honesty out there.

      Would like to know your thoughts.

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      Matt Wiseley

      5 years ago

      Trev,
      I was fit into Aerotech Steelfiber 110 stiff shaft at Club Champion Golf. This change in shafts from project x 6.5 (I’m getting older at 50) gave me an additional 11 yards on my 6 iron and reduced my dispersion. Best move I ever made but I would have never thought these would work for me. Went from an extra stiff to stiff but whatever…these work. This was 1 shaft the Titleist rep didn’t have but I’m betting if I wanted to raise up my ball flight, I could drop in the 95 gram version of these shafts.
      I can flight my ball up or down but was trying to stay consistent for the sake of comparison.
      Key learning, never write off a shaft until trying it!

      Frank Bullitt

      5 years ago

      I love Titleist woods and have them in the bag, but I’ve never liked irons that are bright and shiny. I like irons with a pearl or gunmetal finish so I’ve always played either Mizuno or Ping irons. I have JPX919 Hot Metal irons in the bag now and won’t be going to the T300. As a side note, just found this site recently, I had been spending time at another site where founder is beholden to golf equipment advertising. This site seems to offer up reviews that are not influenced by ad dollars.

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      RM

      4 years ago

      T300 are so high & easy to hit. Mizuno Hot Metal was too big looking & too much offset. T300 ALL day LONG..

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      SV677

      5 years ago

      I don’t pretend to understand the physics why irons are lofted the way they are. What I do understand is that a large portion of golfers can’t hit irons effectively with a loft of less than 26*. This has been confirmed by Tom Wishon (I believe). Therefore, once a 7 iron is at 26* a pitching wedge will be approximately 38*. Now you have an 18* difference between the pitching wedge and sand wedge. So are we supposed to carry 4 or 5 “gap” wedges?

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      MICHAEL MCKEOWN

      5 years ago

      Nobody notice the lump on the back of the T100 hosel?

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      Bryant P

      5 years ago

      The lump is just on fitting heads only. The actual irons delivered to customers will not have that lump on it

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      Ryebread

      5 years ago

      I hit the T300 today. Granted it was with some slightly different shafts than stock, but it was impressive. The ball went high, far and straight. It also looks nice in person and the sound and feel are really nice. The only knock was that it wasn’t quite the best on the low in the face shots (some other irons I hit at the same time were better with that miss).

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      golfinnut

      5 years ago

      Love the look of the T100 & T200 irons! One or a combination of both will be in my bag soon. I already have a Titleist Thursday set up. Can’t wait to hit them both

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      Rich Mendoker

      5 years ago

      Absolutely Great Review! Particularly in light of the club not even out yet, this article will be the go to standard for the next two years. Thank you Tony C.

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      Robert

      5 years ago

      Tony consistently provides the best in-depth golf writing in the business in my mind. if there’s a subject you want to know about, search it on here, he’s probably written about it at some point.

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      Martin Cornthwaite

      5 years ago

      Would be great to see some offset numbers for these clubs?

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      Neil

      5 years ago

      So…..we now have the story behind the three new Titleist Irons. Has anyone seen or confirm the existence of the fourth T400 iron?

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      Martin

      5 years ago

      T100 looks like traditional Titleist irons but the T200 and T300 are a radical design for Titleist. Great Detail Article

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      Fran

      5 years ago

      Are the 200’s forged and are they for the mid handicapper?

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      Robert

      5 years ago

      The T200 have a forged face. I would think a mid handicapper would have no problem wit them, assuming you are a halfway decent ball striker. I’m currently 15.6 and intend on looking at them as well as the T300

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      Longwood

      5 years ago

      Tried T100 today and it was amazing. The look is stunning and the feel was great. Also tried the new TS hybrids, that´s a game changer…

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      Will

      5 years ago

      Would like to hit them & compare against the 716’s & 718’s; imo, the 716’s are the better stick…

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      Bob

      5 years ago

      Lol. I guess I’m the outlier. I love the T300 look. It’s DIFFERENT! Just looking at it you can tell they are doing SOMETHING different. Kinda like buying a house. I hate all the cookie cutters. I don’t have to hit a T300 to see it’s different. To ME that’s important. I play MP68. I bought them because I love the thin top line. They also weren’t like every other iron on the market.
      Viva le difference!!!!

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      Clay Rouse

      5 years ago

      When I started playing in the 90’s, I could spot the difference between “good” irons and their big box store cousins by appearance, even though I was just a novice golfer. Now, almost all irons look like those Walmart sets from years ago. Lots of bright colors and very busy looking cavities. I still prefer the subdued look. Unfortunately, my skill level requires that I buy the flashy looking irons. Oh, well.

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      Trev

      5 years ago

      I had a re-read and my question still remains. How can a 20 degree 4 iron, which is stronger by 1 degree than more 3 irons, launch higher. As for my understanding the loft of the club is the most significant factor to ball flight. Can anyone post a picture of the sole width of this 4 iron. Have they designed it like a driving iron or like the Taylor made gapper?

      The article states in the section discussing the t300 that the cg is progressive (I.e. lower and back in long irons) and the opposite in short irons) to promote higher launch long irons and lower short. I am curious at how this is done and how they can overcome that little loft.

      I also noticed 2 wedges in this set. So the 4 iron t300 is a 3 iron. Would it be useless for slower swing speeds and therefore promote the dreaded hang back scoop?

      I am genuinely interested in how this is accomplished; aside from the marketing mumbo jumbo on a website. Can someone explain the physics or material advancements?

      Thanks much

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      Robert

      5 years ago

      Here’s a video from one of the best clubfitters in the biz. It really hits on they why and a little bit of the how the clubs with lower lofts are designed that way. Take particular attention when he shows the chart of the Muira vs P790 peak height and decent angle. They are almost identical despite the Muira being traditional loft of 31 degrees 6 iron and the P790 at 26.

      Despite Matt continually bringing up adding more loft to the 790 to increase the backspin, you can tell that is not what Ian really is suggesting, you have to stay tuned into the very end to hear that part. As he says exactly as I did earlier, that with the new hotter faces if they increase loft too much the peak height will be too high.

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      robert

      5 years ago

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      Taylor

      5 years ago

      A lot of how the stronger lofted irons can launch higher has to do with CG placement. The lower the CG the more vertical gear effect the club undergoes on impact, which in turn increases the launch angle and reduces spin as the club hinges backward during impact. A set with a 3 iron at 21 degrees would have a higher CG, and strike depending, will undergo considerably less vertical gear effect, so you’d see lower launch with more spin compared to a strong lofted iron with a low CG. Progressive CGs are used for similar reasons. Once you get enough loft, players tend not to need as much help getting the ball in the air, so it’s not necessary to get the CG as low. How they accomplish it is fairly straightforward. Less mass low in the head. It’s likely they just didn’t put as much tungsten towards the sole of the club in the shorter irons so more mass would remain higher in the head, raising the CG to where they wanted it to be for those irons. Hope this helps.

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      Taylor

      5 years ago

      Strong lofted irons achieve higher launch angles through CG placement. Placing the CG lower in the head increases the vertical gear effect on the clubhead during impact, provided the strike occurs above where the CG is located. When that happens the clubhead will hinge backwards during impact which is how the launch angle is increased. This also reduces the total backspin imparted on the ball as the hinging of the clubhead backwards is imparting topspin onto the ball, which is then taken off the amount of backspin that would have been imparted otherwise. The lower lofts, coupled with the higher launch and reduced total backspin results in more distance and steeper descent angles. Material advancements and face design play a role in the amount of ball speed as well. Thin faces made of very strong metals means more energy is returned to the ball after impact. More ball speed means higher peak heights which helps with that descent angle thing too. Progressive CGs are there as once you start putting more loft on the club, players need less help getting the ball in the air. Moving the CG higher in the head means lower launch angle as the head won’t hinge as much or at all depending how high the CG is and where the strike is located. It’ll also mean more spin which should offset the drop in descent angle. They achieve that by removing mass from low in the head. In this case, I think it’s likely done by reducing the amount of tungsten around the sole of the club, but there are plenty of ways to do it. Hopefully this helps.

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      Taylor

      5 years ago

      It comes down to CG placement. A CG lower in the head will launch higher through the vertical gear effect. It will also spin less. This is all strike dependent of course but assume a centered strike for simplicity. If the CG is low in the head, e.g. well below the neutral axis, upon impact the club head will hinge backwards. This in turn increases the launch angle while reducing the total amount of backspin through the gear effect. A CG higher in the head, e.g. around the neutral axis, will not hinge much or at all so there won’t be an increase or reduction in spin from the gear effect and it will launch lower than the iron with the low CG. This is also why you see progressive CG locations. Once you start adding more loft, players don’t need as much help in getting the ball in the air. The stronger lofts, thin faces, etc. are there to help increase ball speed. Progressive CG locations are achieved by strategically placing mass about the club head. It’s likely the shorter irons have less tungsten in the sole which is how they’re elevating the CG in those irons. Hope this helps.

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      Robert

      5 years ago

      Taylor, thanks for such a detailed and through explanation. Sounds like you might be an engineer at a club company..I mean that sincerely not as a smartA$$ comment.

      Thanks

      Taylor

      5 years ago

      Robert, partially correct. I do have an engineering degree but I’m not working for a club company. I did design a utility iron for my capstone design project however.

      Trev

      5 years ago

      Yep that’s why I asked for a pic. Does it look like the Taylor made gapper in order to get the cg that low and that far back. Oddly enough I have a 3 iron muira y blade at the moment and the opposite of what I would expect is there. The 3 iron to 5 iron are razor thin soles with beveled edge at the front, assuming that you may way to Bend the lofts without affecting the bounce. There is no chunk of weight behind and no tungsten inserts I know of. The wedges and scoring irons have a wider sole. These are the thinnest smallest blades with 0 offset I could find. And I hit them nice and high and long. But I have enough clubhead speed and dynamic move through the ball to hit them easily. My 3 iron speed is about 103mph, 6 iron around 94, driver 114 and I hit down with all clubs, aoa of the driver is down 1 degree, 6 iron around 5. But I can’t see how you would get the ball going on target and proper max height at slow speeds. People also don’t realize every club should have a similar max height regardless of iron. So how in the world will a slow swinger have a consistent max height. It is really puzzling to me.

      Taylor

      5 years ago

      Trev, the T300 is a Game Improvement iron so it’ll have a fairly wide sole. Comparable to that of the AP1 range that it is replacing. The GAPR range from TaylorMade are a different class altogether. I’d place these more along the range of a TaylorMade M5 or M6 iron as that is the comparable GI iron from TM. You can see pics of the T300 on the Titleist website that show the sole. It is not slender and wouldn’t be given the class of iron it is designed to be. There is also a pic in this article that demonstrates the sole width fairly well.

      Geogg Hoffler

      5 years ago

      Will never buy jacked loft clubs. Shame on club mfgr’s for continuing to push this ego boosting nonsense.

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      BodineJCS

      5 years ago

      This ^^^^ Golf Purists know this practice is rubbish

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      BOOM!

      5 years ago

      Exactly.

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      Trev

      5 years ago

      I would like to pose a question RE: strong lofts. Do stronger lofts promote a subconscious scooping action as the longer irons are used? I believe golfers learn by ball flight. Even Tiger woods has made this comment before about the ball needing to be where he wants to see it in the air.

      The lack of loft must have an effect on the dynamic loft and therefore low ball flights and lack of carry. Does moving the weight so far under and back compensate that much for a a strong loft to be able to aggressively shift forward through the ball as one should in a balanced swing? I suspect people would do better with weaker lofts and better weight shift. Certainly speed, strike and face control must increase beyond what a club can offer. Curious to know how these loft changes affect the swing over time?

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      Steve S

      5 years ago

      Very interesting question. At my older(lower) swing speed the “jacked” lofts don’t seem to do much for me on distance but do give me what appears to be a more “boring” ball flight. I’ve been switching back and forth between 2 sets of irons in the last month; one from 2016 with “jacked” lofts and one from 2009 with lofts that are weaker(3.5 degrees on 5 iron, down to 1 degree on the gap wedge).

      Might make a bigger difference if I was swinging at my 40 year old swing speed.

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      Robert

      5 years ago

      Actually the lower lofts are the complete opposite of your thoughts. if you read the entire piece and go to the Titleist website you will find that due to the construction the heads launch very high, therefore the lofts were lowered to control the ball flight and get the proper decent angle. And yes more distance as result is not something most will complain about.

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      Trev

      5 years ago

      Robert, thanks much for the TXG vid. I enjoy watching their stuff. I took their points and I guess I understand the design of the head may influence that. Interesting that Ian asked to weaken the lofts and Matt’s comments were that he would really struggle to have control.

      It reminded me of some digging I did on the d-plane of the golf and how disappearing lofts would affect that. So I guess the question is – does 10 yards and lower spin trump being able to hit it straight or at target?

      Less loft, more spin axis. Harder to hit I guess.

      I find this fine balance on what club companies are doing very interesting. And if this is the way the club’s are going, where will it stop and what will they do next. It’s like a murder mystery hahaha.

      Found this d-plane vid from long ago. Bit tough to understand but explains loft and ball curvature well:

      https://youtu.be/qgM3hVMJeuo

      Tim

      5 years ago

      t100’s are really nice…the other 2 are horrible. What was Titleist thinking? the T100’s should not even be mentioned with the other 2 and be placed with the CB/MBs. uuugghh

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      Edward B. McMahon

      5 years ago

      I’m very interested to try the 200 and 300 series. I had AP2’s and liked ( but didn’t love) them. I’m very interested in the new Hogan irons and will certainly try the new Titleist offering for comparison. Distance and forgiveness is important as I get older ( 79 ).

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      Steve

      5 years ago

      Any idea what’s forged, if anything? Makes adjusting/tweaking easier…

      Hitting the T200s in a bay Saturday…

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      Robert

      5 years ago

      The T100 is a forged head, the T200 is a forged face.

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      Steve

      5 years ago

      much appreciated

      Steve

      5 years ago

      much appreciated

      daviddvm

      5 years ago

      As always, Nice write up Tony!

      As a team Titleist player I can’t wait to try these out.

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      Alan

      5 years ago

      I generally believed it was the Indian not the arrow approach to golf, but I must admit that over the past few years well engineered design changes have resulted in meaningful/measurable equipment improvements.
      It will not take a mid-capper to a scratch player but it will help to shave a few points off !!!
      Better driver head designs, improved shafts, stable putters, and lately more forgiving irons have all contributed to not only make us better golfers but enjoy the game more !!!

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      Jerry Lynn

      5 years ago

      How dare you use the word “Indian.” You must be a racist.

      Signed: Nancy Pelosi

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      Joe

      5 years ago

      Nah, but you most likely are. :-)

      THOMAS

      5 years ago

      Its a business and as such no different than auto manufacturing every couple of years there are design twicks, But at some point in the life cycle one there has to be a complete redesign and that is where Titleist found itself. Just out of the box and the first critics – Looks – since no one has driven one yet – so its a wait and see
      If testing proves acceptable – then the buyers will get past the looks – especially when there are so many other brands – not mention names that looks could have killed that have been sucessful

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      shortside

      5 years ago

      I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I haven’t a clue what looks buyers will need to get past.

      They look gorgeous to me. If I was in the market the T100 & T200 would certainly be on my must try list.

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      BodineJCS

      5 years ago

      No … there fugly

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