REVIEW: PING G400 Series Drivers
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REVIEW: PING G400 Series Drivers
“The G400 driver is a prime example of how our engineering team looks at every single detail of a club to ensure we are optimizing each design variable so golfers can improve performance.” – John A. Solheim, PING Chairman & CEO

“Does PING think we’re stupid?”

I might be paraphrasing, but the sentiment comes from a reader who didn’t like what he saw in our First Look Piece on the G400.

To be sure, it’s not unusual for a golf equipment company to release a next big thing that’s nearly no different than the last big thing. The demands of the one-year cycle mean we often get products that don’t do what the manufacturer claims. Sometimes we get a fresh coat of paint intended to disguise a step backward. In the absence of actual innovation, you can always rely on a good story. When that fails, trade on your reputation, and hope nobody notices the little man behind the giant curtain.

That’s how it works, and so yeah, you bet there are some golf companies who think you’re stupid. Their business thrives on your ignorance; their success depends on it.

But PING? C’mon.

We’re talking about a company that rarely promises more than modest distance increases, and when it does, it’s generally quick to point out that not everyone will see gains. Sure PING’s been known to do some outside the box thinking, and there’s plenty of that with the G400, but what we get when we sit down with PING is matter-of-fact engineering and science, lots of charts, and plenty of discussion about trade-offs and compromises. Without fail, I always walk away with a larger vocabulary.

The PING business is driven by knowledge and the founding principle of helping golfers play their best.

This particular case in point is the new G400 Driver.

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Evolution That Matters

Every golf company wants to evolve its products, but in the golf industry, evolution is often bound to the annual cycle. Whatever innovation that exists is calendar driven, which means that it happens in baby steps; sometimes minimal, occasionally incremental but appreciable, and sometimes not at all. But every now and again, everything comes together, and the latest and greatest really is significantly better.

Callaway will tell you Epic is just such a product. I’m here to tell you that the G400 just might be too.

Consider this; the week the G400 driver hit the USGA conforming list, 12 PING staffers put it into play. Did I mention that it was the week of the US Open? Now I’m not one who much concerns himself with Tour usage, but 12 PGA Tour professionals putting a new driver in the bag for the first time at a major. That doesn’t happen. It just doesn’t.

So why the exception to the rule?

PING Innovation

Before we get into what’s different and exciting with G400, I think it’s important to define innovation within the PING universe. Consult your dictionary if you like, but most of us have an idea what innovation is. It usually describes something new (often exciting) that hasn’t been done before. In the golf equipment world, the definition is often expanded to include something that may have been done before but has been repackaged with a new story.

For its part, PING thinks about innovation a bit differently.

Consider the relationships between things like aerodynamics (which have a strong correlation to head size) and MOI, strong vs. stretchy face materials, or the ubiquitous forgiveness vs. workability problem in irons. These are situations where improvement on one side of the equation creates and almost inherent degradation on the other. It’s what PING calls the trade-off curve, and only when the company’s engineers find a way to sever those inverse relationships does PING say it has innovated.

With that out of the way, let’s get to it.

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Keep Weighting

It’s a terrible pun, made worse by the fact that if you’ve been waiting for PING to offer movable weights in its drivers, you’re going to have to keep waiting. PING believes it provides a better fitting experience with three distinct models than it could be by offering you things that slide, flip, or otherwise migrate about the clubhead.

To that end, the G400 series is comprised of 3 familiar models, so for the sake of the story, here’s your quick overview:

With that out of the way, let’s discuss the five areas where PING has improved its G series.

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Cosmetics

Although it’s the most trivial of the enhancements, the cosmetics of the G400 are what we all see first, so that’s where I’m starting.

Other than those of you who are opposed to Turbulators for aesthetic reasons, and I suppose allowing for some of you who might be put off by the Dragonfly Crown too, there’s nothing particularly off-putting about PING’s G Series (and G30 series before it) drivers. They look perfectly ok. Not sexy, not bad, just ok.

With the G400, PING felt it was important to elevate the design. And while that’s true for every aspect of the new model, it’s most readily apparent in the cosmetics. For the G400, PING wanted to achieve an aesthetic that would stand out in the marketplace and wouldn’t look outdated months or even years down the road. Taking inspiration from the auto and consumer electronics industries, PING believes the G400’s matte black with vibrant copper accented design presents an image that’s bold yet timeless, much like the PING brand and its products.

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While it isn’t any surprise that PING’s now signature Turbulator tradition carries on, some will be surprised to learn that they’re more prominent than ever. The idea is that bolder Turbulators will heighten focus and provide better alignment.

The Dragonfly feature which debuted with the G Driver has been extended the full length of the crown (what PING calls the infinity edge). PING has also added a textured detail to the back region of the crown. The new aerodynamically-neutral feature softens up the lines a bit while drawing attention back towards the face and Turbulators.

While I don’t have anything specific to say about it, I should also mention that the Vortec cavity continues as well.

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Mass Properties

It’s time for the obligatory weight savings portion of our story. I could argue that this one is a bit more impressive when you consider that PING is among last still using all titanium construction. It’s not that PING can’t use composite. It could, but the company believes it can still make a better driver using all-Titanium construction. There’s likely some validity to that argument considering that, even with composite crowns, few of its competitors have come close to matching PING’s forgiveness.

G400’s weight savings come from extending and thinning the Dragonfly Crown. Engineers also thinned the sole and skirt areas as well. You want a number? Instead of sweating over x thousands of an inch, just understand that we’re talking about approximately the thickness of three crisp dollar bills.

You know how the rest of this story ends. PING took its newly minted discretionary mass, along with a bit of extra they got from bumping up the overall head weight, and positioned it low and back.

To be fair, the G400 weight story is actually bit more nuanced. PING added a fixed tungsten backweight that varies in placement depending on the model. It’s way back in the G400, forward of the tuning port in the LST, and in the heel of the draw-biased SFT.

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Additional mass is allocated to PING’s custom tuning port. The copper colored 304 stainless steel cap sits on top of an elastomer material used for swing weighting purposes.

The key point is that the new weights are smaller but also denser. That allows for more precise placement of the mass. In the case of the G400, PING was able to position 3X more mass (relative to G) in the back one inch of the clubhead.

It’s the kind of detail that’s easy to skim over, but trust me, it’s kind of a big deal.

The sum total of the enhanced design yields a clubhead with combined MOI over 9000 (9263 to be exact), which PING says makes the G400 the most forgiving driver on the market (by plenty) despite its 445cc footprint. The G400 has a heel/toe inertia of 5342 (g-cm^2). Assuming that’s true, the G400 isn’t just the most forgiving driver in golf, it doesn’t even fit on our CG/MOI chart. We’ll need to expand our x-axis to make room.

Yeah… that’s right, killer MOI in a sub-460cc package.

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Aerodynamics

You know what Turbulators do, but did you know that they’re most effective when the face is square or nearly square? We’re really talking about the bottom of the downswing leading into impact. While this is the range where the club is moving its fastest, it doesn’t spend a substantial amount of time in this zone. So, if PING was going to make a meaningful improvement to aerodynamics, it needed to find a way to reduce drag at points in the downswing where the face isn’t square or nearly so.

When the face is open, as it is for much of the downswing, the hosel is effectively out in front of the head. From an aerodynamic perspective, PING’s Erik Henrikson compares it to driving down the road with a telephone pole attached to the front of your car.

We’re talking about the kind of turbulent wake you can’t Vortec your way out of.

The clubhead is moving more slowly over the portions of the swing where the face is open, but the clubhead is in that face open position for a much longer period, and that presented an opportunity to further improve the aerodynamics.

To reduce drag, PING had to reduce the cross-sectional area of the driver. It’s a bit of a simplification, but you can think of it as the surface area under the hosel section when it’s in the face open position. It took some clever shaping, and a slight reduction in G400’s footprint (it’s why the driver is 445cc), but PING says it was able to reduce drag in the open face orientations, most notably at 20° and 40°, by 40%. The final number settles in at a 15% reduction in total drag over G.

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That works out to an average of about ¾MPH of clubhead speed (YOUR actual mileage may vary), and while that may not sound like much, every little bit helps, and we haven’t even tickled your brain’s reward system yet.

To put all of this in perspective – to achieve the same aerodynamic benefit with the G30, PING would have to shrink it down to under 300cc, and while some of you would love to see the compact driver make a comeback, the corresponding 30% drop in MOI is less than awesome.

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Sound

I can’t say I have an opinion either way about the sound of recent PING drivers, but based on some of the feedback from our First Look post, suffice to say some of you aren’t fans.

PING apparently realized there was a problem of sorts as well because they designed and built a simulation lab to help them refine the sound of their drivers. Without going too deep into the weeds, this new sound simulation environment, which took the better part of 5 years to develop, allows them to predict (and accurately so) the sound of a driver even before the first prototype is made.

PING’s engineers are excited (as excited as PING engineers get anyway) about what the sound lab allows them to do. It’s complex stuff, but in simple, real-world terms, it made it easier for them to design a more pleasant sounding driver, modeled after the i15, i20 and Rapture drivers; models which PING loyalists regard as pleasing to the ear.

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What’s perhaps most impressive is that in fine-tuning its acoustics, PING was able to keep its supporting rib structures minimal, and was able to position them such that they don’t negatively impact mass properties. It should also be noted that the sound is nearly identical across all three models.

PING describes the G400’s harmonic signature as being more like a chord than the plucking of a single note. Higher frequencies compliment lower ones, resulting in a well-balanced sound the company hopes will stimulate the amygdala leading to higher confidence and more head speed.

Yeah. I just typed amygdala all matter-of-fact like. It’s just golf equipment engineers applying neuroscience in an attempt to develop a better performing product. No big deal, right? And yeah, I can see where you might be thinking this is a bit of a stretch, but bear with me.

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Back to the amygdala…

PING’s thinking is that the amygdala, a primary structure of the limbic system often referred to as the emotional center of the brain, can be stimulated by pleasing sounds. When the reward system kicks in, it can untap the golfer’s ability to swing with greater confidence.

In Tour Player testing, PING observed that its staffers were swinging harder, generating more clubhead speed, and ultimately producing greater distance. The company believes it’s a big part of the reason why so many staffers put the driver in their bags week one.

I’ll leave you to think on this for a bit, while I move on to something a bit more concrete.

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Face Technology

Frankly, I’m not sure how deep our readers want to go with metallurgy and face technology (and this is coming from a guy who just finished writing about harmonic signatures and your amygdala), so I’ll be brief.

PING has moved from a T9S to a T9S+ face material which is 4% stronger and more flexible (trade-off curve broken). The primary face structure is forged, and then the strikeface portion is CNC milled into the forged face. While the process is more complex, PING says it yields extremely precise bulge and roll radii, consistently high CTs, and tight controls over face thickness.

Ultimately, we’re talking about greater consistency from part to part.

For the first time, the rough face design previously unique to the LS Tec will be featured on the entire G400 series. The texture reduces spin without having to move the center of gravity forward and reducing MOI. Yup, that’s another example of a trade-off curve being broken.

Does It Perform?

Like any OEM, PING has numbers that suggest its drivers will outperform its competitors’. In PING’s player testing, the G400 was, on average, longer than the current market leader. Perhaps of greater importance, the G400 produced a 40% smaller stat area (what we call our shot area), and the shortest shots (mis-hits) were appreciably longer than competitor mis-hits.

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On the Tour side, staffers are being fit into models with less loft (benefit of the back CG). As a result, ball speeds are up 2-3 MPH, and distance is up by about 5 yards.

That’s what PING says. I’m not saying you shouldn’t trust it, PING’s integrity is above reproach. What I’m saying is that every OEM visit includes a collection of favorable numbers.

Here’s what I think you should think about: with the caveat that I didn’t test against anything else, what I experienced on the PING range borders on mind-blowing.

On several swings my clubhead speed reached 109 MPH. My ball speed…160. Distance…290-300.

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A little background here… my average swing speed is 105 MPH. On my best day – and perhaps more so in my younger days – I sometimes ramp it up to 107. My ball speed seldom if ever exceeded 155 MPH. This is true for every driver fitting I’ve ever had. I’ve hit balls for Callaway, Cobra, Nike, PXG, TaylorMade, along with PING a time or two before. 109 , 160 and 300, that’s never happened. Never. Ever. Period.

I don’t know if the increases came from a decrease in drag due to a reduced crossectional footprint when the clubface is 40° open. I don’t know if G400 (LST) tickles my amygdala either. What I know is that 109 and 160 is a gear I don’t have, and yet there it is. And it wasn’t an isolated swing. 109 and damn near 160 time and time again. All that and mostly straight ball flight too. I know my game, and what happened on PING’s range was absurd in the most delightful way imaginable.

Subsequent on-course testing at my recent Member/Guest tournament at McGregor Links has completely validated what I saw at PING HQ. Playing from the back tees (the penalty for bringing in a 1 handicap as a guest), I found myself consistently hitting shorter second shots than I normally do from the more-forward white tees. Individual mileage always varies, but for me, the G400 LST is a solid tee marker longer. Again…it’s absurd.

So roll your eyes at the aerodynamics and that stuff about the amygdala if you’d like, I understand, but I’m knowledgeable guy, reasonably well fit into every club in my bag, and I’m telling you I’m seeing upwards of 5 MPH in ball speed and increased distance on the course. If that doesn’t pique your curiosity, I can’t imagine anything will.

In which case, I’ve just wasted a good deal of time for the both of us.

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Stock Options

Once again PING will be offering two stock shafts. Counterbalanced to accommodate the heavier head, the Alta CB features a new living finish. The copper paint transforms (like magic) to a low glare black when and only when, the shaft is placed in the address position.

A lower launching/spinning Tour shaft is also available.

To give fitters more options with which to work, PING will offer a selection of aftermarket shafts for a modest upcharge. That lineup Includes the ProjectX HZRDUS Yellow (low launch), MRC Kuro Kage (mid launch), and the new Aldila X-Torsion Copper (counterbalanced high launch). The idea is to provide options that complement rather than overlap PING’s proprietary shaft offerings.

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Pricing, Specs, and Availability

Loft Options (adjustable up to +-1⁰): 9⁰ & 10.5⁰ (std.), 8.5⁰ & 10⁰ (LST), 10⁰ & 12⁰ (SFT)
Head Weight: Std. (206g), LST (208g), SFT (203g)
Head Volume: 445 cc
Standard Length: 45 3/4″ (Alta CB); 45 1/4″ (PING Tour and aftermarkets)
Stock Grip: Golf Pride Tour Velvet 360 in six sizes (Blue -1/16″, Red -1/32″, Aqua -1/64″, White Std., Gold +1/32″, Orange +1/16″)
Stock Shaft Options: PING  Alta CB (counter-balanced) 55 (SR, R, S, X), PING Tour 65, 75 (upcharge) (R, S, X)
Aftermarket Shaft Options (MSRP: $75 upcharge): Mitsubishi Kuro Kage Silver Dual-Core TiNi 60 (R, S, X), Project X HZRDUS Yellow 75 (5.5, 6.0, 6.5), Aldila X-Torsion Copper (50R, 60S)

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Fitting and pre-orders begin immediately. Availability begins July 27.

MSRP: $435

For more information, visit PING.com.

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      Thomas Briscoe

      6 years ago

      Before purchasing the G400 Driver, I played Pings G30 driver with a Fujikura XLR 8 Pro 51 shaft. The G400 has a CB Alta Shaft which is counterbalanced and probably designed to work with the G400 head. If I replace the CB Alta with the Fujikura that I was fitted for at Club Champion will I still maximize the performance of the G400 head even though it’s not a counter balanced shaft. Thanks.

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      Joe

      6 years ago

      Went to golf galaxy just to kill some time. Hitting bay was empty so I grabbed a G400 with regular shaft. Hit 5 balls, 4 at 95 mph, one at 94 mph. All of them straight, very minimal dispersion. I usually don’t know if I’m going to go left or right, and hope for straight. Picked up one with a stiff shaft, 4 shots, all left, low, and short. Went back to the regular shaft, hit 4 more balls. All straight. Damn, after reading this article I’ll probably have to go back and try it again. Same results, I’ll probably buy it. My only concern is does Ping come out with another driver in the summer or fall? Seems this was a pretty quick follow up to the G30 and G. Did they move away from their two year cycle?

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      ibo

      6 years ago

      Don’t worry, Ping’s woods cycles are two years apart, and honestly, if you are hitting something dead straight with no loss (even some gain) why change? I still keep my G in the bag, and although I’ve tried the G400, I couldn’t see a huge difference worth the price. My G will stay in the bag for at least another season (that would make 3).

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      NEIL LORYMAN

      6 years ago

      Bought this driver after having had a fitting at Cottingham Parks GC near HUll. Much lighter to swing than my previous Calloway Big Bertha alpha and more forgiving. Set at 11% loft I launch it much higher and gain more distance overall, I find it almost impossible to slice or cut with it, probably the best driver I have ever had, very pleased with it.

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      terry

      6 years ago

      Just finished my first game with the G400, I was amazed and very happy with its performance.
      I had gone into the pro shop last week to trial it and was happy, went back the next day and was persuaded to try it and the Epic. On the machine the epic went longer so was persuaded to take the Epic instead, as soon as I left the shop I never hit the Epic consistently. a week of hitting it at the range and 1 game and I was broken. went back to the pro and told him I wasn’t happy with it and he let me hit the G400 and it went straight and long on the first hit. he agreed to swap it for the Epic and i’m now a happy man. Don’t believe the hype of the Epic it doesn’t suit everyone.

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      Greg Reid

      6 years ago

      Hope Tony & Adam allow this post. admire those behind this site. Ordered a G400 to match my G30 setup SFT shaft, 10 deg.. order was to be put in from golf pro at my club.(spoke to him on phone) Over six weeks later – no club. No answer from pro – unreturned phone calls. Ok -called Ping USA – need to call Ping Canada as im Canadian. Ping Canada gave me name and contact info of rep in my area. Made contact via e-mail as he was at golf show. He sent e-mail that he or my pro would call back that day let me know status of club. No phone call. Call Ping Canada again -the very nice lady informed me she would contact rep and call me immediately on status. waited most of the day – no phone call. Sent rep e-mail – cancel the order. Got e-mail wrong order # responsible for delay. Sent e-mail – cancel order. Sent rep another e-mail I would post on MyGolfSpy about this adventure. Now rep calls me within ten minutes.(my phone # was on all e-mails and given to Ping Canada) Told him i’m done after being a 30+ yr. Ping driver, woods + hybrids guy. We agree to talk later after work and when he is done at golf show. Guess what – no phone call!! I’m sure much of blame has to do with pro but honestly when a 30 yr customer calls with an issue that takes maybe 10 mins of computer time and research on an order – whats the expression get a glove and get in the game. I’m sure things are different in US but this experience has been exhausting. You can have a great product but wont go far without customer service. Hope that those of you who buy the new 400 enjoy it as my time will be taken up selling what I have and shopping for suitable replacements with a company that cares. Frustrated in Canada!

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      Jeff

      7 years ago

      I have 2 of the LST model 400’s. Great driver, the only issue has been the Tungsten WT falling out. I am sure this has happened to more than just my clubs. Anyone have an update on that situation?

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      Robert millar

      7 years ago

      Dear sir love the site and its honesty. But with all the advances of the new driver claims by this time we should all be hitting it a mile.be honest what they want is your cash. But many people will fall for the hype and think you can buy a better game you can’t. But in saying that I have no doubt I will buy one. Keep up the good work.

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      James

      7 years ago

      Great review. I’m waiting for my LST model as it is back ordered. Does the hosel adapter for G30 and the G driver shafts for the new G400?

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      Matt Wiseley

      7 years ago

      James,
      I was told yesterday at the golf shop I ordered mine (a month ago) that there is some manufacturing defect or issue…although Ping is being hush hush about it.

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      Matt Wiseley

      7 years ago

      Tony,
      Have you heard if Ping is having issues with the LS? I ordered one over a month ago and it still has not shown up. I have heard rumblings there might be a manufacturing issue but have not received a message back from Ping. I sent a message to their help desk but no reply.
      Thanks

      Matt

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      Ronel

      7 years ago

      I never had a piece of PING equipment before, until now, the G400 driver! Whether I hit it right or off center, my ball will just be there. 2 weeks ago, G400 hit the market in Singapore. Was a big hype, many go for the trial, well since it’s free why not. Told the fitter I been having fade issue with so many drivers I used, even with the current Taylormade M2 D-type. He fitted me with the SFT. Everything happened after that is like miracle to me, hit 20 shots and only 2 slight fade, 18 went straight or slight draw. But I still went home without it because the price is pretty steep over here. 3 days later, I went back to the fitter and wanted to try out again just to make sure that the first time I tried it wasn’t because I swing better that day. Amazingly ball went dead straight, I check the numbers and realize my swing speed increase, ball speed is faster and most importantly I’m hitting straight balls. Immediately grab a new piece and paid happily. Tried so many drivers before over the 10 years, I could said never had such experience before. My first PING!

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      Rick

      7 years ago

      Hi Tony, Would I see a huge difference in the Ping 400 as apposed to the Srixon 565,765?

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      Mark wilkins

      7 years ago

      WAS playing a Titleist 917 D2 . On a whim I took out a G400 and it simply blew me away. Took it out again yesterday and my 917 D2 is now on eBay, can’t wait for my pro to ring me saying it’s in.
      Wonderful,powerful club. Please don’t tell the wife.
      Great review Tony

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      Steve

      7 years ago

      I have been playing a full set of Ping G’s since last December, including a standard Ping G driver with regular shaft. Took a fitting for the Ping G 400 at Drummond Golf out of interest and was fitted with the 10 degree SFT with regular shaft and bought it on impulse. Took it to the range and withing five shots was putting it out 10-20 metres further than my standard Ping G and much straighter – I tend to fade when I swing harder but this didn’t happen. Can’t wait to hit it next Saturday, just a bit peeved that I’ve only had the previous driver less than a year. This new club feels so much better and the old one wasn’t bad.

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      Rick

      7 years ago

      Tony, how would the Ping 400 compare to the Srixon 565, or765? Curious since this highly rated by Mygolfspy

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      Tyler Strasburger

      7 years ago

      Longest driver I’ve ever hit

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      Phil Mountford

      7 years ago

      How does the G400 compare to the G30 Ls ?

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      Lance Alexandrovich

      7 years ago

      Hit this for the first time today with the Rep…added 18 yards to my 2017 custom M1…fantastic feel and response

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      Jacob Bush

      7 years ago

      I want !!!!

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      Jeff Moore

      7 years ago

      Epic best selling driving in 2017 every month so far but that doesn’t mean it will out perform the G400 everybody is different

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      Brett Frimmer

      7 years ago

      Ughh I’ve resisted this clubs for weeks. But its the one driver in the last several years that gets reviews like this…… wallet gets lighter tomorrow.

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      Glen Johnson

      7 years ago

      Too much happening on top for me couldn’t look at that

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      Paul Conan Murray

      7 years ago

      Sounds like you’d be stupid not to buy one!

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      Russell Warner

      7 years ago

      Our first 5 fittings today – 66m added!!! It’s HOT

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      Sean Farrell

      7 years ago

      I bought it. It’s the real deal. Sold my custom Epic for it.

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      Brad Taylor

      7 years ago

      I’ve always like that broken up top look since I saw the G. It’s better than the G30 was.

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      Adam Sumner

      7 years ago

      Does anyone know where to find a price sheet with all of the available up charge shafts for the g400?

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      Alan Gregory Comeau

      7 years ago

      This looks intriguing, but honestly as a 15 handicap gaming a Titleist 913 D2 and enjoying it, I can’t justify spending the money on a new driver. If I swing well, the Titleist 913 gets me where I need to go. If I don’t, it’s on me, not the driver!

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      Jordan Canning

      7 years ago

      You’re made for this driver! It is more forgiving on the off-centre strikes! You will find the bad ones you hit will be going far straighter and much longer than the 913. This is FACT!

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      Jordan Canning

      7 years ago

      Do me a favour Alan and find a PING fitter. None of us are on the PGA tour so we all hit off centre most of the time. We are who this driver is made for! Golf is hard enough already ?

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      Mike Chong

      7 years ago

      The head design is too distracting

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      Kevin Mccarthy

      7 years ago

      i just bought prior to buying was playing the Callaway Epic this driver blew it away gained 10yds easily shaft and head combo are excellent

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      Guy Crawford

      7 years ago

      As I’ve said often when you begin to consider new sticks start your research with MyGolf Spy .

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      Nick

      7 years ago

      I’ve been playing a G20 for a few years and instead of upgrading, I spent a couple of hundred getting fitted up with a better Fujikura shaft a couple of years back and picked up a good amount of distance. After reading this review I managed to demo a stock G400 at a mates course. 10 degree wound down to 9.4, Ping stiff shaft. It is so clearly a better club. I’ve never had a problem with the sound of my G20 but the ball “thwick”s off the face beautifully on this and just sounds delightful. If you’ve demoed an M1 you’ll know the sound they make and thought to yourself, wow this goes. This is similar. Not as big a sound as an M1, more old school and miles from the crappy “pock” most Callaway make. Closer perhaps to a Titleist driver. This club is straighter, longer and it just genuinely feels more nimble and hittable. I’m sure a lot of that is in the sound mind you. The flight is arching and no sign of climbing so it’s definitely low spinning. I took another one out at my club Kingston Heath, same spec and found the same. This driver really is a significant step up in every aspect. Admittedly I’m playing a much older club, so the difference is more apparent, but I’m sold. I play off 11, with a driver speed of about 105 BTW. I just can’t wait to get my hands on that demo again, the club just begs to be hit, and shaped in the process, it’s a pleasurable feeling I’ve not had from another driver, more akin to your favourite 3 wood, but with fabulous length. I hit a couple badly, coming over the top and knew just where I made contact on the face – low and left – that’s normally a fading pull that makes about 220m. I was delighted to find the ball at about 230-235 and much straighter. The forgiveness is excellent.
      I want one.
      Thanks Tony for writing an article that reflects how you see it and keep up the great work.

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      Sean D

      7 years ago

      Went to a private fitter fully expecting to be fit for the Epic, and I was absolutely mashing the G400 LST. However, the guys fit me for a $400+ shaft, and I just can’t justify a $900 driver. They fit me for a Mitsubishi Diamana W series 60 shaft (mid launch / low-mid spin). Which of the the “standard” shaft options would be closest to that? Anyone have any ideas? Thanks!

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      K. Mitch

      7 years ago

      I was wondering if the increase you observed while testing could of attributed to the decrease in clubhead volume. Wouldn’t one expect an increase in swing speed and subsequentially ball speed from the fact that it’s lighter to swing?

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      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      We’re only talking about a difference of 15ccs, so it’s negligible. If you look back at our previous tests, I don’t believe you’d find anything to suggest that 445cc clubheads inherently produce more speed.

      The reduction in volume is related to the shaping – that cross-sectional footprint stuff I talked about.

      Regarding weight, the head isn’t actually lighter. As you’re probably aware, PING is big on MOI/forgiveness and when you remove weight you decrease MOI. So while the head is marginally smaller, the weight is actually up from previous models. To give you a real world comparison, my G400 LST is .1 grams lighter than my KING Ltd head.

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      Michael Haas

      7 years ago

      I hit Driver and the irons at a demo day…wow…not a Ping guy but I’m rethinking that. The numbers on the trackman were off the charts for me. Long and straight.

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      Jon

      7 years ago

      This 1st look made me wanna buy one and not tell my friends about it :)

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      Charlie

      7 years ago

      Nice review. Would it be fair to believe that the benefits of this driver would be less as swing speeds got slower?
      Or put another way. how many yards will a 80 mph swing gain?

      Thanks!!!

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      JonCompton

      7 years ago

      I attended a Ping demo fitting today. My swing speed is about 86 mph. I normally hit the ball about 195- 200y. With the G 400 my carry distance was averaging 212Y, my spin for a 13 to 14° loft at impact was about 2400, and I was unexpectedly impressed. I had no intention of buying a ping – I just wanted to tap the reps brain. But now I am seriously reconsidering replacing my Great Big Bertha with the G400.

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      Pablo C.

      7 years ago

      I can’t give specific numbers for the G400’s turbulators, but yes in general lower swing speeds won’t benefit as much as higher swing speeds; there will still be a benefit though. Drag forces on a driver increase as swing speed increases, so higher swing speeds lose more MPH due to drag than slower swings. Simply put, Bubba Watson would see a higher increase in swing speed from turbulators (he saw +2 mph with the G30 driver’s turbulators) than the average Joe since Bubba’s swing is faster and produces more drag in the first place.

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      Dick Nelson

      7 years ago

      Thanks, Tony, for the great review. Curious if your numbers were achieved with one of the stock shafts or if you found one of the upgrade shafts was better. Thanks, Dick

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      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      Dick – I was fit into the stock PING Tour offering. PING’s stock stuff generally performs pretty well, and I would hope golfers would at least appreciate that the company plays it straight instead of putting the name of a popular and well-known shaft on that isn’t what the label suggests it is.

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      John Gramlich

      7 years ago

      These arrived at the pro shop yesterday and I took One out for a spin. I was very much surprised at how it performed. Hit much better drives and they were a good 10 yards longer. Will give it another try tomorrow and Friday and will most likely put one in my bag. I am currently hitting a G30.

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      RC

      7 years ago

      My amygdala has always been in tune with Ping drivers. This sounds like it could rank up there with the old Ping Eye irons (my favorite all time). Good job as usual Tony – definitely interested in seeing how this performs in my hands!

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      David P

      7 years ago

      Tony, which LST loft did you find better for your swing?

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      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      I was fit into the 8.5. I’m a dynamic loft machine, so I seldom go above 9.

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      David P

      7 years ago

      I too tried them out yesterday and was shocked at the ball speeds I was getting versus several other well fit drivers. I got consistently higher ball speeds with the 8.5 LST vs the 10 LST. Kind of odd honestly to me.

      ole gray

      7 years ago

      Momma got my G30 however I’m going to be bringing home the bacon when I bag one of these puppies! Great job Tony! I like the looks, new sound, & consistency this new big stick is flaunting.

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      Matt

      7 years ago

      Toney, Thank you for all the information you provided on the Ping G400. I used to be a Taylor made guy, then one day I started hitting the PING G25 and have never looked back. People complain a little about the sound, to me when I hit it and the sounds cracks off, I look around and go yup that was me f-er and I love it! Can’t wait to try the G400. and too all of your haters I am glad to see you respond to them and not take any crap.

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      John S.

      7 years ago

      Has it hit local pro-shops yet to see if the standard or SFT is the way to go? If not, when it the public release date?

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      PHIL

      7 years ago

      I AM GOING TO GET FITTED AT PING TOMORROW, WILL LET YOU KNOW RESULTS

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      Keith Gray

      7 years ago

      I still haven’t found a driver I hit better than my PING K15 . How is that even possible? I’m going to give this one a try .

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      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      SFT is basically the 3rd generation of K15 replacements. It definitely might be time to see if you can beat it.

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      STEPHANE MORENCY

      7 years ago

      I would consider the fact that K15 was a closed face where SFT is just working using the gear effect with and weight away from the toe. Different animals, same goal.
      Thanks for the great review, as usual.
      Went on the course today to test drive the G400 driver 10.5 reg, Hybrid 4 and FW 3. Heard, saw and felt everything you wrote!
      Shaft is a little long on driver. Love the smaller head. Will compare spin and dispersion tomorrow.
      Thanks again.

      Rich

      7 years ago

      My G15 is still the best Ping. I will try G400 to compare and will upgrade if it performs better.

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      Billy

      6 years ago

      I am still playing the G15 with the Serrano Stiff Shaft. Been down the road with Cobra Fly Z(nice driver) and Titleist 915. The G15 is still in the bag, but I am intrigued…..

      Michael

      7 years ago

      Great review, thanks for the effort and high level of detail and explanation provided.
      I have always been a Callaway disciple, but hit a Ping G SFT at a demo day and was hooked, borrowed a demo from the pro shop and have never looked back. A very rewarding and forgiving club and when you put a good swing on the ball, long enough to be noticeable.
      Ill certainly be trading up when the opportunity presents

      Thanks
      Michael

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      aerospace_ray

      7 years ago

      Quality review as always. Very nice detailed explanations regarding the G400’s design. I particularly appreciate the club head — ball speed portions you referenced regarding your personal numbers/averages. I think this club will be in demand at many demo days.

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      Kramer F

      7 years ago

      Best review I’ve read so far on MGS, which is saying something! I played in the MacGregor Links Member/Guest a couple years ago, great course. I’d like to go back and play it again with my new G400 I’m getting fit for on Wednesday! Keep ’em coming Tony

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      Chris DeCluette

      7 years ago

      This could be my first Ping driver since the TISI. Remember that funny looking canon with the weird hosel back when titanium was a new thing? Plenty long but it, but it was a short lived romance. I’ve been intrigued with the LST since the original, but it never quite matched up with what was in the bag, and just never looked quite right. This one might stand a chance.

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      Ian Kemp

      7 years ago

      I;m getting one as soon as they get in shops

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      Robby Gomez

      7 years ago

      All…..!! Let me tell you! Just hit the demo’s at Golf Galaxy. If they were on sale, I would have walked out with one. Not on sale just yet. Oh boy….”Papas Got a Brand New Bag!”

      G400 LST 10 degree (set at 9.4) Tour X 65

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      Brett Frimmer

      7 years ago

      What’s it feel like? Its not loud and tinny is it?

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      Robby Gomez

      7 years ago

      Oh no. Totally different from G model. If your eyes were closed, you wouldn’t think it’s a Ping. Giving up my 2017 M1 for this never been easier. Absolutely love the feel and sound!

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      Dave Logsdon

      7 years ago

      I am still hitting a green Cobra Fly-Z which I bought after MGS called it the best a few years back. It has been a great investment. I also hit the Cobra fairways and hybrids. But I have always been a PING fan. I have PING irons and putter, and have periodically bought PING drivers, the last being the G10 and I20. You were right about the Fly-Z, so I’m betting you’re right about the G400. I’m a senior, 65, with a driver swing speed of only about 90-92. Do you think this driver is worth my attention? Like all golfers I’m always looking for more control and distance.

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      Jon Compton

      7 years ago

      Hi Dave, I definitely urge you to consider the G 400. I went to a demo fitting today with no intention of considering it. Boy, did it give me better distance and much better accuracy. And the explanation for why by the rap made total sense to me. If there’s a way I could scratch up the money I’d buy it.

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      Kelly Arnold

      7 years ago

      Does the face profile stay the same for the 445 cc driver vs 460 cc G series driver

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      Karl Doller

      7 years ago

      I tested these today and they are everything you want in your next driver. Smaller misses, more distance, and great feel. These are a home run for PING. Last year the Epic gave me about 8 yrds. These give me 4 more. Had a career long drive with the 8 degree with the Tour X flex shaft.

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      Ryan Zulli

      7 years ago

      Have always liked Ping for being pretty straight forward with thier club feedback. I also like the club options rather than a bunch of moving parts that don’t equal anything other than look at what my club can do.
      I Love my Ping irons and will definitely check this one out when it hits stores on the 27th. Been a while since I’ve had a new driver, could be time to upgrade, swings on simulator will tell all.

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      Bogeypro

      7 years ago

      Excellent review!!

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      AndyK

      7 years ago

      I was lucky enough to attend a Ping 400 series launch day two weeks ago for golf industry clients and got to try the new range. All I can say is “WOW”…. I would normally fit into 10deg Tour Stiff but I could actually flight a 9 degree perfectly and gained another 20 yards. The fairway woods and hybrids felt awesome too with great flight and again a significant gain in distance. I know distance isn’t everything but I could actually work the ball so much better than I have been able to with the previous G30 & G models.

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      Terry

      7 years ago

      Tony, what an excellent review. Haven’t read a better one from anyone. Now we know why PXG have a problem with drivers, they didn’t poach the right guy. Am looking forward to trying it with my Xcaliber SWRD shaft that I am currently using in my G30 driver as soon as it arrives in our country

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      Dave.A

      7 years ago

      I need to hit this line of drivers. There’s hope in improving my consistency for my second shot.

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      Tom Duckworth

      7 years ago

      I think they knocked it out of the park with the cosmetics I really like the all business look of the bottom and muted colors and the top is good to me because everything is there for a reason. The last Ping driver I had was a G25 and I loved it. Got a 2016 M2 right now that’s working great
      but I’m thinking about some Ping irons and who knows maybe driver.

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      Kyle Henderson

      7 years ago

      Would love to see how the SFT handles my fade..

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      Bill Kroen

      7 years ago

      Not sure what sound was established. I hated the “think” of the latest Pings. Look forward to trying this. Great review. Thanks.

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      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      Night and day difference with the sound. I absolutely love the sound/feel. Up there with my favorite composites.

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      Thomas Murphy Sr.

      7 years ago

      Thanks for the detailed walk through. My favorite Driver historically was an iSeries and I have stayed away from G for a sound and they just look super huge so a reduced sound lymbic tickler like this perks me up. There is a bit of new age (design trips to Sedona?) in this but it is going on the list for this year’s fitting session. I need to regain a little speed and a little more consistent forgiveness would be great.

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      Tim Dotson

      7 years ago

      Great review! This driver wasn’t even on my radar as I’ve never been a huge Ping guy, but after reading this I definitely need to hit this one!

      Reply

      AndyD

      7 years ago

      Strange review, the first time I’ve read something on MGS that could have been lifted from any of the mainstream magazines.

      Clickbait title, lots of gushing and restating the manufacturers marketing nonsense followed by saying it was marginally better than your current club.

      Again, a strange review, I’m sure it was genuine and impartial but not like I’ve come to expect from MGS

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      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      Seriously? I know that nobody reads magazines anymore, but you really think this story, which is full of plenty of my opinions and experience, mirrors something you’d find elsewhere?

      Please re-read. I never said marginally better.

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      Jim

      7 years ago

      I would agree that this was a very thorough, complete and detailed review that analyzed every one of Ping’s claims and found them to be true and not hype at all. In fact Tony’s review was so positive that I’ve already scheduled a demo. Great review.

      Richard Cheney

      7 years ago

      Sheesh, you’re a hard marker, AndyD. I thought it was a superb review. Every piece of “Ping marketing nonsense” either critiqued or presented as just that, so we could distinguish it from Tony’s views.

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      Marteenie

      7 years ago

      “It’s the kind of detail that’s easy to skim over, but trust me, it’s kind of a big deal.”

      I can see the ad campaign – “The new Ping G400: otherwise known as the Ron Burgundy of the driver market.”

      “…stimulate the amygdala leading to higher confidence and more head speed. Yeah. I just typed amygdala all matter-of-fact like” and “…we haven’t even tickled your brain’s reward system yet” and “When the reward system kicks in, it can untap the golfer’s ability to swing with greater confidence.”

      Tony, your review was all the amygdala I needed to stimulate my brain’s reward system to want to go and try this club. I can walk through a golf store and talk myself out of trying anything but dammit this review talks about a bunch of things that I don’t understand other than it can help my game.

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      Keene lafountain

      7 years ago

      The GX7 is what I’m hitting. Why have the major manufactures not
      Capitalized on this concept for those over 50? Surely Ping could develope it better than most. I can’t control a 45 inch driver with a swing speed at 85 or less at 73 years old. You just can’t take a long driver and cut it down and keep the dynamics.

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      MRHogan

      7 years ago

      What a great review Tony! Who`s your data!

      I am so looking forward to hitting this driver and in all likely hood upgrading my current G30 LS.

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      Jim

      7 years ago

      Very good review (as always) but this also really shows that Ping’s claims are actually true. This driver is starting to get fantastic reviews and they’ve really picked up the distance with real distance and speed gains. Not a fan of the copper color but the performance is pretty incredible. This might be the next tested driver for me. The price at $435 is pretty high though where Ping was always the more reasonably priced driver option.

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      Jim

      7 years ago

      Had a chance to hit this driver in a Ping demo day and also demo one on the course. At first found the turbulators, etc difficult to align the ball, and the ‘bulge and roll face’ to be hard to adjust to, but over time gained some confidence in the driver and was hitting decent drives. After 2 days I was finally able to hit some drives slightly further than my G20 but not so much that it would justify buying it (at least not yet). Feels like a good driver but not seeing the dramatic improvements that you saw during your test. Really liked the overall look and the sound was very close to my G20 so that was nice too. Think they really did a nice job with this driver and didn’t succumb to all the adjustable screws, slides, etc. that the other manufacturers have done and instead designed a very complete driver that changed the way people look at drivers. Not convinced it will be in my bag just yet, but still holding out hope.

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      Mat Tisdale

      7 years ago

      As someone that has always loved Ping drivers (still gaming the G5) this has got my attention. I did not like the sounds of the last “G” drivers and would love to see how these sound and feel. If this can help me break that 300 yrd mark consistently it sign me up.

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      Don

      7 years ago

      You had me at $435.

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      Dave R

      7 years ago

      Sounds like a good driver, but I’ll bet it can’t out hit my .880 COR driver. They can put all the technology they want into a driver, but it still has a .830 COR. And even though technology can increase driver distances to an extent, the same, or similar technology is being put into Hi COR drivers too … especially in Japanese drivers.

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      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      Blah blah blah, COR, COR, COR, wrong, wrong wrong.

      1. Nobody is .830 at 100% of the face. You maximize more of the face, you create more distance (and tighter deviations/dispersion).
      2. Nobody else has a heel/toe MOI near 5300 – again, improved distance on mishits. Add the top/bottom MOI for spin stability and you’ll get more distance from low face hits too.
      3. The USGA has no rules to govern aerodynamic benefits. If a design allows you to swing the club faster, you’ll gain ball speed and distance.
      4. If you can launch higher with less dynamic loft, you improve compression (smash factor) by way of increased ball speed – the USGA does not have a test for this.
      5. Ball Speed is only 1 piece of the distance equation. if you can launch higher with the same spin, or launch higher with reduced spin (as a result of the design/mass properties) you increase distance.

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      Steve berrien

      7 years ago

      Love all the information on the new G 400 where does this fit as far as a golfer with an 85 to 90 mile an hour swing and I’ll come believe club fitters don’t find us a shaft for the older slower swinging enthusiasts

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      Jim

      7 years ago

      No way I can afford to play golf and keep up with new tech in the bag. Looks like a driver that would improve my game, but there’s always a newer and better club by the time it comes down to my price range.

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      Shawn

      7 years ago

      You Bast@&d. I am now going to go try then buy this club.
      Why didn’t you leave well enough alone.
      I love my i200 irons and my G 3 wood and my G ls tech driver and now I’m going to go swing this driver and have to have it.
      Once again MSG, like my wife empties my wallet.

      Love,
      Shawn.
      Ps keep up the good work.

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      John

      7 years ago

      My fitting is booked for Friday!

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      cgasucks

      7 years ago

      I just finished watching Rick Shiels reviewing this club. It isn’t the longest driver he tested but what really appeals to me is the sound at impact is much more muted than past Ping models. That alone is a good reason to me to seriously consider getting this club.

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      Steve S

      7 years ago

      As an guy who is trying to work on maintaining/swing speed this driver piques my curiosity. I get all the science but I am confused by one thing; “For the first time, the rough face design previously unique to the LS Tec will be featured on the entire G400 series. The texture reduces spin without having to move the center of gravity forward and reducing MOI”.

      I thought previous testing showed that a smooth or “lubricated” face reduced spin? How does this “texture” improve over that?

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      Steve

      7 years ago

      Great review. Looks like some promising stuff. I appreciate that PING stays relevant in the technology race without gimmickry (moving parts) and complexity (multi materials, which means more welds). I have always approached these “advancements” with a bit of skepticism, wondering how much of it is related to marketing gain vs golfer gain. If you are properly fit to your driver, as PING has always championed, there is no need for moving parts.

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      robin

      7 years ago

      Great plug for ping how much did it cost them.

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      Ron

      7 years ago

      Why are you here?

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      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      Rob – with all due respect, which is none, you don’t have the first clue what you’re talking about.

      Since the creation of MyGolfSpy, we have accepted ZERO dollars from PING. Not coincidentally, this is exactly the same amount we have accepted from Callaway, TaylorMade, Titleist, Wilson, Srixon and basically everybody else with measurable market share COMBINED. 10 years, zero big OEM dollars. There’s not another golf media outlet of any appreciable size that can state that as unequivocal fact.

      How many ex-industry guys do you think there are out there? Hundreds probably and yet nobody has ever come forward to say we’ve taken so much as a dime from a big golf company…and that’s because we haven’t.

      Instead of playing it straight down the middle, we tell you when we think something is good, and I’m telling you, the G400 is nothing less than outstanding.

      So to reiterate, zero dollars, EVER…and we’re still the only ones.

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      Sean

      7 years ago

      Yes yes yes!
      Tony with the kill shot to the trolls head.

      RSC

      7 years ago

      Awesome response! I thought the review was some of the best golf equipment journalism I’ve ever read and then I got to read all of the spectacular commentary below. This website kicks ass.

      Max

      7 years ago

      Did you get to try the LST vs the regular G400 with the loft cranked down all the way? It’s always my one dilemma when choosing PING heads.

      Reply

      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      I took a handful of swings with the regular model before the PING fitter moved me to the LST. I think with the LST now at 8.5 there’s probably a bit more separation between the models.

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      Dave Allshouse

      7 years ago

      Usually it’s bigger, longer, faster. This time it’s smaller, longer, faster. The 445cc head should be interesting to see. I’ll enjoy looking at it and trying it. Who knows, it may wind up in the bag.

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      Tony Covey

      7 years ago

      I don’t think you’ll notice the size. One of my buddies inside another OEM believes we should be talking about shape vs. size. I’m not sure what the right adjectives are, but the shape is one that I would usually associate with full-sized drivers.

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      Artie1

      7 years ago

      Also note the bumpy service on the rear edge, boundary layer trips to decrease turbulence. As for the shaft leading, that will always be a problem as the shaft produces vortex sheading, that is why flags ripple in the wind. Cannot eliminate it. But Ping must be trying to dampen the effect behind the shaft.

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      Shortside

      7 years ago

      Oddly I just clicked an ad for the G400 series moments before this email arrived. I’ve been a Ping fan for some time but the recent G series offerings weren’t doing much for me. These caught my eye in a hurry. The tech certainly sounds like it’s raised the bar. This one is on the test drive list. Great info as always.

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      Raymond CHASTEL

      7 years ago

      I’m also a PING fan .I was seldom deceived by their offerings .I havé thé G30 ,thé G .Let’s see what the G400 has to offer for réal when talken to thé golf course .

      Reply

      Ron M

      7 years ago

      Ping does it again. They are truly the golf standard in my opinion.

      Reply

      Matt Dumble

      7 years ago

      I want something that looks menacing behind the ball, is fairly accurate, and when the time comes, let rip a 280yd+ drive straight down the middle.

      Reply

      Darren Tan

      7 years ago

      I have a strong feeling this will be my new driver. The G felt good but I’ve been waiting for G400. Can’t wait for it to debut in Singapore next month.

      Reply

      Kirby Oaks

      7 years ago

      I’m waiting for a driver to say ‘No, we won’t give you another 15 yards, but we will help you hit more fairways.’ Well, sign me up!

      Reply

      Kirby Oaks

      7 years ago

      I’ve played Ping for years and it’s not always the case. But it is nice they don’t pimp out ridiculous distance claims every time around.

      Reply

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