WHO OR WHAT IS THEGRINT?
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WHO OR WHAT IS THEGRINT?

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WHO OR WHAT IS THEGRINT?

According to TheGrint founder Jose Torbay, the purpose of the phone-based application is “to make it easier to carry and maintain a handicap.”

I call it a handicap service with benefits.

Regardless, it started as most solid entrepreneurial pursuits do: a solution to a problem. It wasn’t the kind of solution that radically changed an industry or turned into a proprietary noun (e.g., Kleenex, ChapStick).

But it did result in more than one nasty gram from the USGA.

“TheGrint.” Say What?

Every company name has a story behind it. Some are mundane (see: Ford Motor Company). Others, like PING, provide meaningful insight to some piece of the company’s history. Seriously, if you don’t know why PING is PING, it’s worth a short diversion.

But before you grab a dictionary … spoiler alert. TheGrint isn’t a real word. It’s a fictitious term based on a side bet something akin to Wolf, 9-point, Chicago or Acey-Deucey. For Torbay and his cronies, the bet simply measured the number of holes played in par (or better). The golfers with the most qualifying holes at the end of the round won TheGrint.

So in 2011, when Torbay got the idea to come up with an easier way for golfers to track a handicap, the name more or less chose itself. But personal technology of a decade ago isn’t at all what it is today. Consider that in 2011, Amazon launched its first Kindle Fire and Netflix sat mired in controversy while trying to spin off its DVD subscription service.

“Apps were not really a thing yet so, at that point, our original idea was to install scorecard mailboxes at golf courses where golfers would leave their scorecards at the end of the round,” says Torbay. “We would then calculate and send them an index and stats.”

On paper, the idea had merit. Logistically, it presented some challenges. The idea could work on a small, local scale. And, to some degree, it did. But if Torbay really wanted to offer TheGrint to more golfers, he’d need a more efficient, less labor-intensive approach.

Door Cracked Wide Open

 

A year later, Torbay figured out that the USGA didn’t have a centralized computation system and “as long as you followed their rules, you could provide USGA handicaps to golfers without a cost.”

So, in 2012, Torbay launched TheGrint’s first website and followed it with Version 1.0 of the TheGrint app in 2013. Torbay stuck with TheGrint as the name in part because the domain name was available but more so because it sounded golf-ish enough without telling people too much.

“If you knew about it, you knew what it was. But if you didn’t, maybe you would want to.”

Check one box for novelty.

Basically, the TheGrint functioned as a series of virtual golf clubs. So long as you lived within 50 miles of an affiliated “club,” TheGrint could set up shop and provide you with a USGA-recognized handicap.

For nearly EIGHT years, TheGrint provided USGA-legal handicap services for free to its users. It was a “borrowing the WiFi from your neighbor” type of arrangement and for whatever reason, the USGA went along with it.

With the adoption of the revised World Handicap System, the USGA informed Torbay he would have to start charging a fee.

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So What Now?

TheGrint and the USGA handicapping system couldn’t peacefully coexist forever. Really, that’s a good thing. No doubt, people don’t generally like to pay for something they previously received for free. But with the current arrangement, TheGrint users receive a Handicap ID which is the equivalent of a GHIN number.

Additionally, both systems can synchronize accounts so that, regardless of which interface you use, the information is the same. It’s like having two different doors leading to the same room. Ultimately, you end up in the same place.

TheGrint Features and Benefits

The whole carrying a handicap thing is pretty straightforward. For $19.99 a year, golfers can keep and maintain a USGA-recognized handicap. Rather than entering scores manually, TheGrint scans an image of your scorecard and uploads it into the system. In addition, TheGrint includes access to some game statistics and real-time live leaderboard functionalities.

For an extra $20 a year, TheGrint provides more advanced game and individual statistics. The primary difference between the premium and standard versions is individual performance benchmarking.

I’d be remiss not to mention that TheGrint does offer a free version of its app. This lite is pretty much what you’d expect given the relatively low cost for the paid-for options. It produces an approximate player handicap (NOT USGA legal) and provides access to basic leaderboard functionalities.

Score Versus Performance

Fundamentally, the golf industry is split into two types of personal tech companies: score-tracking and performance-tracking. There is plenty of overlap and no shortage of nuance if you really want to get into the weeds but we’re going to keep this relatively basic for the time being.

Providers such as Arccos and Shot Scope lead the performance-tracking charge. TheGrint isn’t looking to go toe-to-toe with anyone in this space.  If your hill to die on is strokes-gained analytics and AI-generated caddie services, TheGrint isn’t the best fit. Torbay’s company does allow the golfer to track basic performance categories such as number of putts, penalty strokes and fairways hit. Based on this information, it can benchmark performance relative to other players in its database. For example, if you’re a 12-handicap golfer and you’d like to see the average number of greens-in-regulation for a five-handicap golfer, it can do that.

But, ultimately, the strength of TheGrint is that it is a USGA-approved handicap service that offers the opportunity to create a connected community of players.

It’s something like Twitter or Snap Chat for serious golfers. If the Progressive Insurance “becoming your parents” commercials are uncomfortably accurate, the concept of an online integrated handicap platform might be enough to make some Luddites a little queasy.

However, golfers are, at their core, social creatures. And social networks aren’t going away. In fact, one could argue that smaller social circles could increase the integrity of the handicap system. Think about it. Most golfers are either trying to benefit from a handicap that’s moving up or down.

A lower handicap speaks to the golfer’s ability while a slightly higher index may increase the odds of grabbing some bucks in net-score situations. Either way, the social pressure created when your trusted cadre of frenemies can see every score you post might not be such a bad thing. That is unless you’re the four-handicap golfer who always seems to be playing off an eight come member-guest season. You know who you are. 

Why Not?

There are two primary types of golfers who are less likely to pick up what TheGrint is putting down.

Group No. 1: Traditionalists. As with every advancement, there are golfers who prefer the status quo. It’s a “no harm, no foul” contingent that is good with the current standard and doesn’t see any immediate benefit in changing. So be it.

Group #2. Competitive amateurs. If you’re the player who sets a playing calendar around USGA qualifiers and state amateur events, TheGrint is likely not the best option. The reason is that most state golf associations require a membership which is often included by establishing a USGA handicap through a local course. TheGrint is not aligned with any state golf association. So if you plan on playing in such events, it’s best to check the requirements of your state.

Moving On

While 95 percent of TheGrint users live in the United States, Torbay says the company does “very well in the UK, Canada and South Africa.” A fun factoid: According to Torbay, TheGrint shows at least one score posted on a third of the courses in the United States on a weekly basis.

While he didn’t state exactly how many active users TheGrint has, suffice it to say Torbay is plenty happy with TheGrint’s growth trends and remains bullish on the future.

A good chunk of his optimism centers around the expansion of TheGrint’s mini-tour circuit which is active primarily in south Florida and Texas. Torbay said plans for 2021 include new events in 21 cities including Chicago, New York and San Diego

Neither the USGA nor the new World Handicap System is going anywhere. But what the TheGrint possibly offers is something that better caters to the competitive golfer who takes the game seriously but not trying to pay for the mortgage seriously.

Let us know what you think.

 

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      Tom White

      2 years ago

      If this group is at the course you’re playing and in front of your group leave immediately. 5:45 rounds guaranteed.

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      BogeyJay

      2 years ago

      I’d love to see an updated review. The number of features and tracking of stats greatly increased, there are 3 tiers of subscriptions, multiple handicaps, etc. The UI needs a rethink. There is too much stuff!
      The Grint Tour is also a great way to play friendly competitively and should be looked at by every weekend golfer looking for a bit of pressure!
      I use arccos to review and learn about my game. Would be great to have some sort of connectivity between shot tracking apps and social apps like The Grint.

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      Randy

      3 years ago

      Rumor is the Grint handicaps won’t be legit next year. Is this true? Need to know if I should re up my subscription.

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      Walter Hollman

      3 years ago

      Signed up as a Pro and the site promptly went down…and they haven’t said anything yet.

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      Mike Mc

      3 years ago

      Been a GRINT user for close to 4 years now and I absolutely love it. With the paid app, the data provided by the GRINT is quite robust and isn’t to the extent that it’ll cause ‘analysis paralysis.’ Albeit, it’s not at the level of Arccos or other deep data/analytics apps, but is more than sufficient.

      And the best part that wasn’t mentioned, is the live game scoring/tracking The GRINT provides. Our Sunday 4some is so much more enjoyable with the different games available within the app, allowing for easy points scoring that factors in both the course handicap and that of the player.

      Lastly, the social aspect and community involvement of organizing local small group tournaments and shotgun starts. Our leader for the greater Charleston, SC area does a great job in notifying us of small group tournaments and working with local clubs in having tee sheets set up for us. That alone beats a club membership to have access to social and competitive weekend tournaments.

      Honestly, one can’t go wrong with this app.

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      Mike D

      3 years ago

      We use The Grint in our league to track our teammates throughout our rounds, and also started using it in other casual rounds. One thing it does do that I didn’t see called out in the article: if you link it to your official handicap, it will post your scores for you. I don’t know if that works with all systems, but I have my official handicap through WSGA, and it works with them (someone else commented on this with GHIN as well). I didn’t realize this at first, which led to a couple double-posted rounds, but now that I know it happens, it’s kinda nice.

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      Andrew Han

      3 years ago

      I might have missed it and someone else implied it, but what stops a person from lying about his strokes while using the app? Not that you couldn’t do that on a normal score card, but wondering what their efforts? Does it listen for golf shot sounds?

      Also, why cant ShotScope, Arccos, and Game Golf do this? Link up with USGA, and take marketshare..

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      Mike D

      3 years ago

      If you’re keeping your own score, then nothing really. It’s just like a regular handicap – you play, and you submit a number (and stats in this case). As far as I know, everything about The Grint is manual entry, so people can lie all they want, whether it’s for sandbagging or vanity. However, one person can keep score for the entire group, which is one way to can prevent those situations — the rounds automatically post to everyone’s account. Ultimately, whoever has the card is in control of the integrity of the round.

      As for why the shot tracking devices don’t do this, I’ll leave that to others’ opinions.

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      Abraham

      3 years ago

      The scores have the option of being “attested” by another user. The app keeps track of the percentage of your scores that are attested. Obviously, this is not fool proof. However, if you see a score that is attested by another friend, it’s more likely to be legit. On the contrary, if you see someone who has great scores that are not attested, it may make you question it.

      In general, in golf, you can cheat or bend the rules all you want . . . we police ourselves.

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      Billy C

      3 years ago

      I’ve been using the Grint since 2016 and I have nothing but great things to say about it. I still use Arccos to track my performance but I love the Grint for the social aspect. Nothing better than one of the guys takes a day off or ducks out of work early and the whole group chat goes wild chirping him for a 3-putt or congratulating the back-to-back birdies. Also is great when we have multiple 4-somes and want to do a live leaderboard and see how the other groups are playing.

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      Michael

      3 years ago

      I’ve used the Grint since 2019. Prior to that I used a few different apps like Offcourse and SwingU. Offcourse never updated one of my regular courses and SwingU gps never properly worked at some for some reason. I saw the Grint on Reddit and tried it. Instantly fell in love with it. Ease of use and the fact it tracks stats makes it easier for me to see the areas in which I need to improve.

      Having all my friends using it as well is awesome. We hold each other more accountable and even offer words of encouragement when they are playing without some of us. Overall my favorite app to date and looking forward to a Grint tour in Phoenix when it arrives.

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      Calvin Lieberman

      3 years ago

      Its here! Email me

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      Macon Smith

      3 years ago

      want to learn more

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      Ben

      3 years ago

      My buddies and I have been using TheGrint for 2 years now. I was skeptical at first, but have grown to love it’s functionality and social aspects. Additionally, I like being able to review “friend’s” rounds and see where we are statistically. Great to see them (TheGrint) get exposure from you guys. Hope they continue to grow here in CO.

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      G daddy

      3 years ago

      I’ve been using the Grint for 5 years now and it is an excellent app. They’ve continued to update it every year and it keeps getting better. The best thing about it is, it’s flexibility – it you just want to enter a score, you can – if you want to enter all your stats for each hole while posting your score, you can do that too.

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      Mat

      3 years ago

      The idea that the US is still not using a centralised system is a farce.

      You go to Ireland, Australia, New Zealand… everyone has one single system. In NZ, you can get on it for $100/year, and it includes about a $5 discount at every course. It’s official, and every club uses it. It’s computerised, and immediate. It shames GHIN in every way. It’s a part of every membership in the country here.

      A minimum of 80% of players who play more than, say, once a year, have official numbers. (Not counting range-only types) The US needs to get its act together. It’s laughable. TheGrint is basically what the rest of the world has. The USGA should just make it the official system.

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      Mike Woody

      3 years ago

      I have had a GHIN Handicap for years and Grint will automatically send in my scores for me. I have really enjoyed using it the last 2 years; GPS, Stats and Scoring!!!

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      tscdave

      3 years ago

      Been using Grint now for about 2 years. I also use GHIN, as some tourneys require it. It does a great job, good site!

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      RT

      3 years ago

      I’m listening lets see more and hear more !!!!

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      Clete D

      3 years ago

      Been using TheGrint since it was born! Still use it when my Arccos is bugging out or doesn’t have a layout correct because of its easy course mapping and yardage finder. Still put my scores in it, too to compare the handicaps they each generate.

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      CJ

      3 years ago

      The USGA thru the state associations offer what they call a EClub membership for $30 dollars a year. It”s open to those who do not belong to a club. I’ve been using this for 8 years now. It’s an app on your phone or computer, that shows pretty much everything you have described. The app is updated every time you post a score. There’s a place for stats, golfer lookup, that allows you to check your opponent’s handicaps, scores for 3 months, and low handicap as well. You can play anywhere in the US and post a score and it will update that day. You can set this up online, thru your state association. Mine is currently thru the Tennessee Golf Association (TGA)
      Your phone app is your card.

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      Steve

      3 years ago

      I’ve used it for a long time, and TheGrint deserves success simply for being the best functioning golf app there is. Lets face it, the GHIN app is terrible. So for the new generation of golfers not down for pencil/paper and joining clubs, this is it ((which by the way you can join your local clubs with the WHS# provided by the TheGrint.. no different than GHIN).

      That being said I’m still waiting for a few things to trickle down in to TheGrint. For example, you can’t see PCC adjustments with WHS yet. A rare occurrence, but it needs to be added to their interface. Just one example.

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      Steve Mitchell

      3 years ago

      I have been using The Grint for many years. I don’t play in tournaments, but I am always trying to improve. It helps me know my # of putts, GIR, FIR and lets me know if i am hitting too many slices off of my driver. I had to contact them a few times for help and they have been swift and accurate with their responses. I would very highly recommend it for anyone who wants a handicap and wants to improve for their own enjoyment.

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      LABillyboy

      3 years ago

      It’s great servicess like this exist for casual golfers. It really lacks peer review and oversight a club handicap relies on. No handicap chairman or committee. Cards aren’t reviewed by anyone but the player who’s marking his own scores. Nothing is attested.

      If you have one of these handicaps, we’ll be playing straight up no strokes. Unless we play together regularly and I agree with the claimed handicap.. With no oversight, It’s really not valid other than personal use.

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      Tom

      3 years ago

      The Grint app does allow for people playing in your group to attest the score. The handicap includes a percent attested for confidence in the handicap. Any system used today can be “gamed”.

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      Chris Nickel

      3 years ago

      I’d love to know how peer review works at the majority of courses. My hunch is that there isn’t nearly as much oversight as some might think. Also it’s probably worth noting that golfers can enter scores on the GHIN app/website w/o review or having scores attested.

      TheGrint and the USGA systems sync, so the GHIN/Handicap ID are one in the same.

      Nic

      3 years ago

      They also have chairman, which is required to be in compliance with the USGA. I am the chairman for my local “club” and had to take a USGA course and pass a test in order to be the chairman. While I do review most scores from the “club”, unless I play with someone, I can’t attest a score. As a chairman, I do have the power to adjust and delete other people’s scores. So if someone is cheating, “members” can notify me and I can take action. Really the attest feature is an awesome feature. Gives more legitimacy to the handicap than any other app or the CDGA. But if your playing partners aren’t using Grint, then there are no safeguards.

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      Tom

      3 years ago

      In a nutshell, when I am playing with others that don’t have or use the group. I can request that they attest my score by including their email. They will get an email where they can attest my score. If they attest it, they are confirming that I followed the USGA rules and entered my score correctly. Of course they can ignore the email and the score is not attested.

      I can even keep the non grinters score as well using their email. They will get an email of the score with options to attest mine and also joining The Grint.

      Not perfect but I feel as good as I have seen on MGAs I have been a part of.

      Kay Sommers

      3 years ago

      My league has been using TheGrint for a few years now, and it is very satisfactory, especially because it’s free and many of our ladies don’t want to pay for GHIN. The putting and other stats are really nice as well as the rankings for the league members. The tech people are very responsive to requests for tee data corrections and updates. Well done.

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      Dennis Beach

      3 years ago

      Been using GPS apps where you can keep score stats, etc…,and most will give a handicap based on info given. I don’t play santioned tournaments so its not a big deal to me knowing my handicap..

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      Charles

      3 years ago

      Best Golf App out there. Very quick to respond and the number of friends now using it has grown. My brotha – Abi, put us onto this app. Solid ????????

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      Tom

      3 years ago

      I have been using TheGrint app for many years. I also play in The Grint Tour tournaments in north Texas. I find it the best app going and the tour is professionally run and has great sponsors providing benefits.

      As the other commenter stated, the support is quick for any issues you may have.

      Definitely worth downloading and give it a test run.

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      MattF

      3 years ago

      I’ve been using The Grint for a number of years and found it great for keeping a handicap. But as noted above, not too many people I play with use it so not a lot of my scores are attested.

      I also have to mention that The Grint is pretty quick to answer questions and fix any issues you have.

      They’re growing pretty well, so much so, that they asked my to form a club for the Akron, Ohio area and come April, we will be 1 year old with a healthy membership.

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      Rob L

      3 years ago

      I’ve been using the Grint to track my handicap for nearly 2 years. My only real issues with it is that most of the people I play with (I’m not a member at any one club and play all over) don’t use it so very few of my scores are attested.

      I also have Arccos and the 2 handicaps are about 2 points apart (Grint being lower). Before Arccos switched over to Strokes Gained my Arccos handicap was actually the lower of the 2, albeit by less than a stroke, but after the switch my Arccos handicap went up almost 3 strokes. Not a big deal for me, when referencing my handicap I use the Grint as I can show the handicap card with it.

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      Dan

      3 years ago

      I’ve noticed the same thing. I’ve been using both for about a year. I put all scores into both. At the moment Grint hcp shows 4.2 and Arccos shows 5.9. Oddly, with all the same scores being put into both, the Arccos hcp has gone up in the past few month – which I guess is due to my approach game struggling recently (an ugly case of the hosels).

      And because The Grint combines 9-hole rounds from different days and courses, it could be skewing the numbers. I think Arccos is a better reflection of how I’m actually playing at any given time. But it’s nice to have an official handicap so I’ll keep using Grint.

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      Abraham

      3 years ago

      The best golf/gps/handicap/social app available. I’ve had it for years. The yearly fee for the pro version is the best golf purchase I make. With the apple watch, it’s so easy to track your score and input data. We don’t even bother with a scorecard anymore. You get an official handicap, you get some useful personalized scoring data without extra equipment or hassle and you can connect with friends competitively.

      One gripe: Friends on the app are able to see all the rounds you play. Once, I went on a golf trip and didn’t invite a friend who is a high handicapper . . . he saw that everyone played without him . . .awkward.

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      David

      3 years ago

      Perhaps he should take that as incentive to play better. Once being on the high handicap side, I was excluded from a similar golf trip. Honestly, it made me want to do better. But not to be included in the next trip. I got better and planned my own trip sans the others. That might sound bitty but that is the beauty of golf. The course is there with or without your friends.

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      Brent

      3 years ago

      I had a friend do that to me once. I played off a 20 something and he was a 10 capper. Now I do not play with him because my handicap is 6 points lower than his. It made me want to get better, but away from him. All of my new golfing buddies play to the teens or higher and we have a great time.

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      Robin

      3 years ago

      I guess golf is still a stuck up game.

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      Mike

      3 years ago

      I use Grint for GPS only, I’ve had a GHIN handicap as part of my course memberships for many years now. The GPS feature is good and it’s free! At present I’m not interested in any other features nor I am I interested in any of the buddy stuff.

      Wherever you go, sadly, you have sandbaggers. An older gent at a previous course I played always finished “in the $” in EVERY event. I raise this issue but ended up leaving the club before any discussions were ever had. That’s why I won’t hesitate to bed anyone I don’t know, as long as we’re playing for “fun”.

      Abraham

      3 years ago

      I’m not stuck about it . . . I will play with anyone. I’m an 11 so in the scheme of things, also not that great. Sometimes golf works better in 4’s. Golf trips/rounds don’t really work with certain numbers of people. It’s not always personal, sometimes it’s just logistics.

      Anyway, my goal was to actually keep him as a playing partner but not offend him by not taking him on the trip. As you can see from the responses, some people take these sleights too personally.

      My point is that the Grint should give you more control over who can see your rounds.

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