2021 Driver Satisfaction Survey Results
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2021 Driver Satisfaction Survey Results

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2021 Driver Satisfaction Survey Results

A couple of months ago, we asked you take our Driver Satisfaction Survey. The objective was simple. We wanted to understand if buyers of some brands were more satisfied than those who bought others. It’s a simple but not unimportant metric. Sure, distance, forgiveness and optimizing the numbers on a launch monitor screen are all good things but there’s probably no better predictor of a repeat customer than satisfaction with a previous purchase.

All told, nearly 9,500 (9,470 to be precise) of you took the survey. Here’s what you told us.

The Demo Experience

We’ve discussed this before but it’s worth hammering home a few observations.

  • Golfers will typically try two to four drivers before purchasing a new one.
  • Three is the most common number of drivers sampled during the buying process.
  • Almost 18 percent of you report buying without demoing a single club. Whoa!

Top Demoed Brands

With that in mind, here’s a breakdown of the brands that you tried before buying.

  • TaylorMade and Callaway dominate.
  • PING does OK.
  • Titleist and COBRA are in the conversation 30 to 40 percent of the time.

Not to imply the market leaders aren’t making great products but, by some measure, the deck is stacked. Most golfers try three drivers and more often than not, Callaway and TaylorMade are two-thirds of that equation.

At the risk of stating what surely must be obvious, many smaller brands simply aren’t given the opportunity to create happy customers.

What You Bought

Knowing what we know about who is in the demo conversation, we would expect conversation rates to be higher for the bigger brands. Here’s what you bought most recently.

  • Among our readers, Callaway, PING and TaylorMade are all pretty close.
  • TaylorMade is the current No. 1 in the marketplace.
  • After the top three, it’s a sizeable to dip to Titleist and COBRA before falling off into single digits.

Driver Satisfaction

Now that we understand what you bought, it’s time to move on to the meat of the survey. Ultimately, while what you bought is important, this survey was about understanding how satisfied you are with your purchase.

To arrive at those answers, we asked a series of questions.

First, we asked about the extent to which your driver has met your expectations. To keep charts clean, we’ve limited the display to driver brands purchased most often.

  • Titleist topped the chart for meeting or exceeding expectations.
  • Srixon was a strong leader when meeting expectations is combined with mostly meeting expectations.
  • The industry leaders were all above 90 percent combined.
  • Tour Edge and Cleveland owners were most likely to say that their purchases failed to live up to expectations.

When we asked in what way drivers failed to meet expectations, accuracy, distance and forgiveness were listed frequently but the most common complaint is simply that the performance gains don’t justify the cost.

Go figure.

If it’s been five years since your last purchase, you might get some benefit but much less than that, and, well … take two big steps up the fairway (hopefully you’re in the fairway) and tell me if you play enough holes to make it worth $500.

If You Had It To Do All Over Again …

Next, we asked how likely you’d be to buy the same driver. Those of you who commented with something along the lines of “well, it would depend on what I was fitted for” aside, here’s what you told us.

  • Titleist led among those of you who said you’d absolutely buy the same driver.
  • PING and PXG were second and third respectively among golfers who said they’d absolutely buy the same driver.
  • XXIO and Mizuno were popular choices among the “probably” crowd.

Overall Satisfaction

Finally, we asked the classic Net Promoter Score Question: How likely are you to recommend your driver to a friend or colleague?

  • By this measure , PING is the No. 1 brand in Driver Satisfaction.
  • Titleist is second with XXIO a close third.
  • It’s notable that market leaders TaylorMade and Callaway aren’t among the leaders in satisfaction but as we look deeper into the results, there’s a likely explanation.

Fitting

As we dug through the results, it became clear to us that while brand certainly matters, there are other factors that contribute to consumer satisfaction. Many of the most interesting insights can be found around fitting.

Were You Fitted?

Early in the survey, we asked about the level of fitting associated with your purchase.

  • 29.21% say “no fitting, bought without trying.” They presumably are a mix of online shoppers and guys who walk into a shop and say, “I want this one,” hand over a credit card and leave.
  • 28% demoed but didn’t go through a fitting. DIYers if you will.
  • 43% report getting fitted.

Next, we look at your driver purchases based on your level of fitting.

  • The highest percentage of golfers who bought without trying the driver first purchased TaylorMade or Callaway drivers.
  • Among golfers who demoed clubs but didn’t go through a fitting, PING buyers increase just a tick more than TaylorMade and Callaway.
  • Across the first two groups, Titleist hovers around eight percent, the lowest of the big brands.
  • When we look at golfers who report being fitted, PING remains above TaylorMade and Callaway while Titleist jumps by seven percentage points.

Circling back to our question about drivers meeting (or not meeting) expectations, there are a few additional insights to be gleaned.

  • Golfers who were fitted for their drivers are more likely to say it met or exceeded expectations.
  • The likelihood of purchasing the same driver again is roughly the same for golfers who demoed and golfers who bought without trying.
  • Golfers who went through a fitting process are significantly more likely to purchase the same club again.
  • Finally, looking again at Net Promoter Score, golfers who get fitted are significantly more likely to recommend their drivers than those who didn’t.

Does the Fitting Location Matter?

As much as we promote fitting, we also know that not all fitting is equal. With that in mind, we decided to take a closer look at what role fitting location may play in golfer satisfaction.

First, we needed to know where golfers got fitted.

  • Off-course pro shops still lead.
  • Our “Other” responses were heavy with GolfTec and 2nd Swing so we’ll be sure to include them in future fitting questions.
  • Big Box was next followed by the major custom fitting chains.

To get a sense of your satisfaction with your fitting experiences, we asked how likely you would be to recommend your fitting locations. (Note: We’ve limited the results to only those locations which were listed more than 30 times.)

  • Golfers who get fitted at manufacturer-owned facilities are most satisfied.
  • Cool Clubs leads among custom fitting locations while True Spec and on-course aren’t far behind.
  • Club Champion is an outlier among custom-fitting chains.

Respondents who were fitted at Club Champion locations were less likely to recommend it and there were significantly more detractors. I’d love to dig into this more to understand the reasons behind lower satisfaction levels. Anecdotally, friends who have visited Club Champion have specifically mentioned heavy upselling leaving a bad taste.

Brand Bias

Out of curiosity, we took an aside from fitting to look at brand bias.

  • Big Box and off-course purchases skewed slightly towards PING (28%).
  • Nearly 60 percent of manufacturer facility fittings were conducted at Titleist and PXG locations.
  • True Spec customers were more likely to buy TaylorMade—five percentage points more than Callaway and quite a bit more than PING and Titleist.
  • Club Champion was reasonably well-balanced between the Big 4.
  • While the sample size is smaller, Cool Club buyers bought significantly more Titleist drivers, followed by Callaway.

Lastly, based on fitting location, we looked at how likely golfers were to buy same driver again.

  • Golfers fit at OEM facilities were the most likely to be the same driver. This suggests the experience matters.
  • Cool Clubs and on-course buyers were next most likely to buy the same thing.
  • Satisfaction rates for True spec, Club Champion and Big Box locations were similar.
  • When placed alongside the previous satisfaction question, one interpretation of the results is that Club Champion buyers are satisfied with the result but not necessarily the experience.

Other Insights

Here are a few other interesting nuggets from the survey.

  • Scratch golfers demo the fewest clubs of any handicap group but most likely to be satisfied.
  • As handicap increases, satisfaction decreases.
  • Sixty-five percent of fittings were done indoors. However, outdoor fittings have higher satisfaction rates.
  • Golfers who spend the most money (more than $1,000) are most likely to be satisfied, though only marginally more so than those who spend $700 to $750.
  • Satisfaction levels are roughly the same between $400 and $600.
  • Only when the purchase price dips below $350 do satisfaction levels decline appreciably.

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      WBN

      3 years ago

      I was fitted at Club Champion for a driver. The fitting with an aftermarket shaft produced the extra yardage I was looking for but at a cost I wasn’t looking for. I ended up buyiny the driver and after a year I went back to my old Ping with a new House of Forged shaft and have the same distance results with a more consistant result. The fitting driver is in time out.

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      Mike W

      3 years ago

      I think there needs to be standard nomenclature in the industry for fittings. A few years ago, I was “fit” for a driver. I tried 3 or 4 off the rack, narrowed it down to two. I was then put on a launch monitor to check the spin numbers, and that was it. Is that a “fitting” or a glorified demo? This past spring I was fit for irons on a trackman. We tried several different heads and narrowed it down to one. He fit me for lie and then we tried different shafts, flexes, and lengths. We then talked about set makeup. After playing a couple weeks with the irons, I came back for wedges. That “fitting” was basically off the rack, but tried different lofts to fill the distance gaps. It was on a trackman and we talked a bit about the ball I use and spin numbers. Three different experiences that I guess are all called a fitting. I wonder if satisfaction levels would increase if there was a standard definition for a “fitting.”

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      leftright

      3 years ago

      Fitting is a waste of time for “most” golfers. It’s a waste of time for those who are double digit handicappers because they cannot repeat the swing twice in a row most of the time. The fitting hardly ever transfers to the course. My proof, is 55 years of playing, countless lessons given and taken, been as good as a plus 3 and played in national amateur events and “observation” of thousands of playing partners throughout my life. As an equipment junkie and general golf nut since there were “3” shafts, dynamic R, S, X and before Karsten changed the iron world forever graphite has ruined more golf swings than ever helped and at the same time it has definitely increased distance. You will never hit a graphite shaft as straight as a steel shaft and it has been proven countless times. Some would say graphite could be the single biggest scam in golf history or perhaps industrialized history. The amount of help it gives versus the money spend and negative results given is a conundrum of exotic proportions. The ability, the frustration, the absolute need to hit that driver further has essentially bankrupted the golfing community.. Does it really make the game easier? I took out an old persimmon Tommy ARmour with a dynamic stiff shaft and hit it within 20 yards of my TM, Sim 2 with a Graphite Design Di 5, go figure. I spent 350 for the shaft because I always wanted one and it is no better than the countless other graphite shafts I have endured. Golf is going to fail, to lose bigtime if something isn’t done about all the BS, especially fittings. Club Champion should be ashamed of themselves, putting some 15 handicapper in a driver with a 300 dollars shaft and he can’t take it to the course because he sucks. The scam is on and My Golf Spy being a neutral player knows this but will not speak up because they are here to “rightfully” help the golfing community. All this being said, I love golf, will continue to play until I can’t be will never get fitted not spend money on expensive graphite shafts. They are unnecessary for everyone and a bonafide scam.

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      Gabriel

      3 years ago

      I don’t entirely disagree with you BUT why do pro play those expensive graphite shaft, why don’t they play a shitty one if it was better or an iron shaft if it was better? Sponsorship? I doubt some random shaft company will gives 5 millions to every players to play their “expensive shaft” to scam you… If it was better, all pro would be playing them… now is it worth it for a +15 handicaper to pay 1000$ for a driver + custom shaft? it all depend on the person… Like a movie quote that I will always remember from Poolhall junkies: “I’m a millionaire I lose 80 and I get another 80, it doesn’t matter… ” money is relative to the person that buy it…for me I wouldnt buy the custom shaft for my current game, when I will be around +8 to +10, temptation will be very high…

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      Abraham

      3 years ago

      I agree with you that club fitting may not help certain players. However, look at it this way: I play with a guy who makes well over 500K a year. He plays with 10 year old clubs that he bought in a Dick’s somewhere. I watch him flog on a course for 5 hours (1 hour of which was spent looking for his balls).

      I like to remind him that his time is super valuable. If you are even thinking about devoting time to golf, ask yourself how much value you put on how you play. In the scheme of things, if an $800 driver can make you play marginally better, why not?!

      I bought a $800 Club Champion driver with a fitted shaft three years ago. (including $150 for the fitting itself). It honestly changed my golf game (17 to 10). You could argue I would have been fine with a $350 used driver.

      It comes down to what you can afford.

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      Dan H

      3 years ago

      I’d be curious to see the numbers on satisfaction, recommend to a friend, etc all based off ONLY the people who were fitted. A different shaft, grip, swing weight, or even loft can make a heck of a difference. Off the shelf buyers historically are “meh” happiness with their purchase in most any segment of retail purchases when you have the ability to customize.

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      Mike

      3 years ago

      My club champion iron fitting experience was a complete waste of time and money. Fitter put me in a senior flex shaft, when I got the clubs, it was one of those things where I never hit them well on the range of course from day one. Luckily I only bought 2 irons, the fitter was amazed that I didn’t want to spend another thousand bucks on the rest of my irons. My logic was let’s try these two, and I was damn lucky I went that route. Would have been a complete waste of money.

      I did have a good product fitting at another club champion, ended up buying a putter straight from the manufacturer though. Anyone in 2021 that doesn’t understand you’re going to spend a boatload of money at club champion, shame on you. They don’t make money selling you OEM shafts

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      leftright

      3 years ago

      I don’t know how they are still in business. Friend of mine spent almost 900 between fitting, driver and shaft and the club is in his garage where it should be because he can’t hit it. I know of more bad fittings from that company than good from friends and here say.

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      RC

      3 years ago

      For me, after being fitted into a shaft that I love, it really comes down to a search for the hottest head. I don’t hit anything to test because I’d have to bring my shaft and a bunch of adapters to replicate what I’m going to use on the course, so I end up doing a lot of research (MGS really helps), and buying based on what head I think is best.
      That’s the curse of falling in love with your shaft.

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      David

      3 years ago

      I’ve been fitted for drivers in the past with the most expensive fitting being through Club Champion. I was never really satisfied with the fitted products other than a Ping driver from 10 years ago. I didn’t play other ping clubs – just the driver. This year after messing with a few low spinning models from other brands, I decided to get the latest Ping G425 Max stock shaft and it fits perfectly. It hit it so well I bought the fairway. I hit them so well I bought a 3 hybrid. I hit that so well I bought the 4 hybrid and dropped the 4 iron. At this point I wonder why I don’t get the irons too. For whatever reason, I must be the epitome of the “average” golfer that Ping thinks about when designing clubs.

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      Donn Rutkoff

      3 years ago

      Thanks, good stuff. I think, or hope, golfers today know that each big and medium too, brand makes 3 or 4 different models, for different speeds and swipes, and shafts even wider range. Get fitted.. Or ask lots of questions to match the 2 main variables, spin and angle. Outdoors helps too. If my hip heals, I’ll let you all know if my PXG fitting worked. I bought a PXG 0211 on a A flex riptide, cuz I’m a ole fart. No complaints with the fitting exper. Pray for my hip. I’m a plugger.

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      Bob

      3 years ago

      Tony,
      Very interesting reading and thanks for all the time you must have put in. I have gone to 2 “hi end” fitters this year and neither could come close to my current driver 8 degree SIM with a Rombax 5Z08 stiff that I was fitted/bought in 2008!
      PS One fitter offered to buy the shaft for $500!

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      Berkeleybob

      3 years ago

      “As handicap increases, satisfaction decreases”

      I wonder if it’s possible to see a breakdown in yearly sales based on handicap.

      I’ve always wanted to get a fitting. It was on my list of things to do before the pandemic hit, so hopefully it’ll make its way back up. But really, I just want to confirm/modify my current WITB. The last thing I want to do is be pitched a $500 driver.

      As far as brands are concerned, at my favorite golf store the lefty driver section at the proshop is “filled” with Callaway, TaylorMade and Ping clubs.. Then I’d say Cobra follows. Mizuno and Cleveland and Wilson are best found when they are just released.

      Who knows? It could either mean that the top 3 keep LH stocked, or lefties opt for the less expensive drivers.

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      Tony Covey

      3 years ago

      Thought your question was interesting, so I went back and looked at a previous survey (also from this year). With the caveat that the entire market is bonkers and that consumers are engaged in a feeding frenzy of sorts ….

      Scratch or better handicaps have bought new drivers at a rate that’s roughly 2x the average for golfers in handicap demos from 10-25+

      The correlation in our data is that as handicap decreases the rate of new driver purchasing increases.

      Basically, what we have suggests that, right now anyway, better players replace drivers more regularly than average and below average golfers.

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      Jimmy

      3 years ago

      Interesting! Does that meant as one handicaps get lower, one spend more on Driver? What about putter? Ball? and wedge? Definitely not on iron, not me.

      James

      3 years ago

      Makes sense because scratch players are highly committed golfers and also most likely to benefit from small incremental gains. 0.2 strikes per round means a lot more to a scratch than a 20 handicap.

      James

      3 years ago

      Having played a Hogan G53 and a Tour Edge 721 the last 3 years I will agree with the TaylorMade worth the extra $200/$150….I would say for me anyway the difference has been at least 20 yards with the Taylormade. all with stock stiff shafts….only doing the basic fitting at PGA Superstore…but it is out on the course where you really find the difference.

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      Nick

      3 years ago

      Another thing I think is important is having trust in your fitter. I have gone to the same place for over the past 10 years. Originally, they only sold Ping, but have since expanded. I have gone a few times and they basically told me that what I had was just as good and I didn’t need to change. They also know what my preferred ballflight and window is so we can have a meaningful discussion.

      The only time in the past 10 years, I didn’t go to them I went to another specialty fitter and basically put me in a G30 that I launched super high and spun too much.

      I live out of state now, but continue to go back to my fitters when I need new clubs.

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      mackdaddy9

      3 years ago

      I accidentally hit WITB for Tony and saw he switched from the Titleist Pro V1 left dash to the Bridgestone BX.

      Tony, I really never thought you would play something other than Titleist. What won your loyalty away.

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      Tony Covey

      3 years ago

      I hadn’t updated my WITB since, well…it’s been a while. Everything is now current as of 9:23 PM Eastern Time on 8/26/2021.

      It may change again by the time anyone sees this.

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      David

      3 years ago

      The major concern with fittings is ulterior motive.
      Most profitable sale, excess inventory, club manufacturer incentive, special commission, personal bias, etc.
      It’s too easy to be fooled.
      You need to be somewhat of an expert to smell a skunk.

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      Tony

      3 years ago

      Just wondering why you guys never test some of the non-big box brands. Wishon Golf makes some of the best hardware on the market. Same with Knuth High Heat Golf. Not big names, no sponsorships, won’t find them at Dick’s but they’ll match up or exceed performance of any of the big names.

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      CLSS

      3 years ago

      Good to see those breakdown and sales leader including how golfers arrive to their equipment pick.
      Fitting for myself has been an inexpensive but a fun way although it is a very time consuming process. It’s a good thing that I’m usually never in a hurry to place the order on a driver until I my mind is made up. Because many if not all of the retailers will not always have all of the shafts available to try per brand head, basically, not to mention that I sometimes incorporate golf road trip with a side trip to a store location other than the intended day of store visit. Many notes have been taken and I have always considered shot dispersion, flight angle, spin rate, and lastly carry.. I have paid attention to those because of the constant wind we have in the town where I play most my golf.
      Another reason why I fit myself, other than I know myself/my swing, is because of money or frugality. I don’t see spending a few extra hundred for just an average of 10 yards further difference on a driver. For me, as long as I can control the driver shaft towards a target line, and be it not feel board-stiff with a good flight, chances are the shaft would yield to a solid good feel at impact where I can apply my personal swing Furthermore, I believe my swing speed falls within the vast majority and a very typical one for a number of stock shafts. With that said, There will be a large selection of shafts that will most likely fit me already. Paired with a stock swing, or go to swing, some notes keeping, and patience can yield to picking the cream of the crop equipment for my swing inexpensively..

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      Bob

      3 years ago

      Sorry I missed out on the survey. Over the past 7 years I have been fitted by Cool Clubs and Dallas Golf. While I was very satisfied with both results the Cool Clubs Ping G25 with upgraded shaft was pricy and maybe an upsale. The fitting at Dallas Golf recently included demoing 5 different heads and shaft combinations. In the end I wound up with a G400. Very satisfied and gained a bunch of yards and better dispersion. I can testify that the results are much better than going into a big box hitting a couple of clubs and pulling the plug on a Callaway Epic that was a disaster. Lesson learned!

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      Eugene Gallacher

      3 years ago

      Have to say I still like my Tour Edge EXS Pro with its Evenflow Riptide CB shaft. It’s a bomber and straight (slight draw) most of the time, but that’s my doing not the club. Is it better than the Muzuno ST190G it replaced, maybe not dramatically, but I’m certainly more confident with it and for me that makes all the difference.

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      Travis

      3 years ago

      I have been to TrueSpec and the second thing they asked me was my budget so that they knew what was acceptable. The process was pretty fun and easy, the cheaper shafts actually produced better numbers for me so I was able to save a few bucks.

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      JonD

      3 years ago

      Two years ago I set out to buy a new $500 Driver. Demoed all the usual suspects at 3 big box stores and one local shop. At Golf Galaxy, on pure whim, after not being particularly happy with anything I tried the Tommy Armour Atomic.

      Hit it further and tighter than all the others. Thought it was a fluke. Came back a week later. Still the best performer. So I bought it and had what I considered a $99 placeholder until the next year.

      Last winter I tried again. Hit all the new usual suspects newer versions. Big box stores, demo days on course and even paid for a fitting with my local Pro.

      Nothing beat the TA Atomic.

      Go figure.

      Plan to keep trying the new offerings every year but at this point, don’t have a lot of hope that I will be able to upgrade any time soon.

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      Deacon

      3 years ago

      I spent considerable time with the Titleist TSi2, the Ping g425 and the Callaway Epic Speed. I tried each with regular and senior shafts. I used the same shaft options in all three drivers I am 77 years old with a handicap index of 13.0 and an 82 mph driver swing speed. I always thought Titleist driver were geared toward high swing speed players. I was wrong. The Titleist clearly out performed the other two options and I could not be more pleased

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      ForeRightAgain

      3 years ago

      “Club Champion buyers are satisfied with the result but not necessarily the experience.”
      This +1000.

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      CLSS

      3 years ago

      A friend of mine went to it a couple of years ago. He was very happy with his irons, but never with his driver.

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      leftright

      3 years ago

      I’ve actually seen the reverse, Satisfied with the experience but not the result in most cases.. Fitting don’t transfer to the course. It’s a totally different environment. Fittings at a minimum should be done on a range.

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      Andy

      3 years ago

      Fascinating ! I was looking for forgiveness as a high handicap older golfer. I was keen to try Taylor Made and Cobra. I went to an independent fitter and saw all the Trackman data. Ping performed best. When I bought and fried it out it way exceeded what I had achieved in the fitting.

      I was somewhat doubtful as to a custom fit and could so easily have just taken what the local pro shop or One other golf outlet thought provided highest commission.

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      Tim O

      3 years ago

      I have been fitted twice at the Club Champion in Santa Monica, CA. The first time was for a driver, and I did end up with a very expensive shaft, but the performance has been great, especially the accuracy/consistency of shot shape. That said, I still wondered if I could have had the same performance with a less pricey shaft. The second fitting was for a 3w and my fears of being unnecessarily upsold went away. Not only did the fitter have me try a relatively cheap shaft I wouldn’t have asked to try on my own, he commented at the end “you hit theses two combinations almost exactly the same based on the LM data, it would be silly not to get the one that’s $250 less.”

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      Susan

      3 years ago

      What I’ve experienced is that fitters pull out the same four or five brands and never even offer drivers from Mizuno or Srixon (etc.) for me to try. My local big box doesn’t appear to stock drivers from several golf companies and I bet that the independent fitting shops don’t, either. Same for many of the chain fitters. That limits my options. Plus I’m suspicious there’s fitter bias because I’m a woman, making assumptions about me and my skill set or even my worthiness as a customer. (Even in this day and age I am not the only woman who has walked into a golf shop and been ignored while salespeople gravitate over to wait on men.)

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      Joe

      3 years ago

      Capitalism

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      Dave V

      3 years ago

      I don’t believe that I’m consistent enough that a fitting on any given day will be representative of my typical swing. I’ve had fittings and it’s difficult to find a fitter that I trust. My present driver is a PING 410, which I bought to replace a months-old Callaway EPIC. I struggled with the EPIC and felt I had to manipulate my swing to get reasonable performance. I tried different shafts and still was only marginally satisfied. I played a round with a friend that had just picked up a PING driver and he let me try it. I hit one drive with it and it was like the heavens opened up and angels sang. That was the shaft I was looking for. I went out and bought the PING and have been really happy with it. Maybe with a fitting I could get something better… maybe. On a good day I can hit fades and draws on command. On less than good days, they go straight. I like the matte black top. The gloss black or white crowns of other drivers look wrong to me and reflect the sun back to my eyes. So, I’ll probably keep this driver for another several years, or until it breaks.

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      Dan

      3 years ago

      Went to CC. Titleist TsI3 10 degree driver. Did not upsell me on my shaft (what I had was best), but recommended, with obvious results, to buy a $600 9 degree head. Said Needed 1 degree less loft. Thanked him. Bought exact head online. Did not have same real world results. I turned my 10 degree driver down 3/4 of a degree in loft and hit it much further (10-12 yards). So he wanted me to spend $600 to lose 1/4 of a degree in loft.. FYI.

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      Tom54

      3 years ago

      I went to Club Champion 2.5 years ago. I did a full fitting even though I really only wanted driver and woods, but they were running a special so it made more sense just to go through the whole bag. So of course I ended up getting irons (Mizuno JPX919 HM Pro with KBS graphite shafts). The clubs are really good off of range mats. On the course, it’s been a completely different story. My game has totally gone south in 2 years or so, and I have almost no fond memories of hitting very many good shots with them. I made the choice to buy them, but I wish I hadn’t, because my game could have gone south with my old irons and I wouldn’t be out all the money I put into them. To be fair, they fit me for a new driver shaft, 3-wood, and hybrid, which I’m happy with. I also went to Cool Clubs years ago and got fit for an expensive PING Anser driver which I ditched in a year, but also got fit for really good irons that I had for a while. So my boutique fitting experience varies each time. Also, one of my friends just got his new clubs from Club Champion and got the TM Sim-2 irons. I took 2 swings and decided I was going to steal them from him.

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      flat

      3 years ago

      Great analysis Tony. Thank you!

      First thought is the, to me, surprisingly large number of off-the-rack shoppers in today’s golf world. ~30%!! I’m curious as to why this number is so high, and how TaylorMade and Callaway ended up with such a large market share of this demographic. Is that strictly advertising? Personal experience with those brands? What makes someone comfortable buying an off-the-rack SIM2 but not an off-the-rack TSi2?

      Second, to add a little bit to the comments about boutique club fitters. I got new clubs this year for the first time in about 12 years. I was split between Club Champion and True Spec, and one of the reasons I went to Club Champion was because it was about an hour+ closer to me (almost comical, but perhaps speaks to why there are more experiences shared around Club Champion than True Spec, because of number of locations). I’d say the experience was 8.5/10 overall. The most challenging part was trying to get the fitter to meet me in the middle about budget and balancing custom v OEM options to fit that budget. In terms of using specs, different club combos, fitting philosophy, and the opportunity for me to provide input and make certain requests, I would say that part of the experience was 10/10. When we got to the woods fitting that was where I needed to go OEM for budget reasons and that was more challenging and, due to them tending to push aftermarket shafts, I had less options to try which entailed a little more guess work. All that said, I love my woods and irons set ups.

      Lastly, I’d *love* to hear any experiences with the true homies at TXG, either for in-person fittings or their remote fitting option.

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      Steve

      3 years ago

      I am sure Club Champions’ market research has shown that many of their customers select them because they want a “custom” or premium fitting experience that they can’t get at a Golf Galaxy or similar big box store. To each his/her own. For me…..nothing beats going through a fitting outdoors. I know that indoor technology has come a long way, but let’s just say that I trust what I see with the ball in the real world as the truth.. Especially for a Driver.

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      Roy H Jones Jr

      3 years ago

      I was fitted by club champion for a Taylormade M5, did not demo it outside, I have always done on course demo. Horrible mistake not doing on course demo, I have an M1 in Ohio and one in Florida, exactly the same performance. The M5 performance stinks, not as far, not as accurate, extremely disappointed.

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      Steve

      3 years ago

      Geez. Sorry to hear that, Roy. I had a great fitting experience with a PXG Driver in Florida with one of their fitters at a TPC course that I presume they just rent space from on the practice range. Best Driver performance I have had…….well….until another one comes along, LOL! There is always a prettier girl at the dance. She’s just more expensive.

      DannyT

      3 years ago

      Nice job! Helpful and interesting information.

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      Glen C.

      3 years ago

      Same experience with Club Champion. They pushed Accra shafts. They bragged about how the clubs used for the fittings were made by the same group that would build my clubs (if I bought them, which I did not). Well the adapter broke loose on 4 of the shafts and the head flew off on my last swing. Complete disaster of a fitting. I emailed their corporate office and I got a thanks for letting us know. The irons they fitted me for were more than double what I could buy them for off the rack (or even custom ordered with factory shaft options). Hard pass on ever going back.

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      Tess

      3 years ago

      Another very interesting topic that’s well written and filled with great information. Well done Tony and team.
      I did something stupid a few days ago when I got all thrifty while buying a new driver….second hand new.
      In a big box store I demoed a G425 LST driver with stock reg shaft. Very straight but all low trajectory. I did some online searching and watched several video reviews. I concluded that s G425 MAX would be a better choice for me.
      I bought one privately online in mint condition and proceed to my local driving range. It must have been an off day because it was a disaster. The regular stock shaft felt whippy near the hosel and it felt terrible. I was beyond disappointed (big Ping fan) but mad at myself for paying top dollar and not getting fit!
      I will not do that again, but the good news is, the gentleman who sold it to me took it back for a full refund! I could have hugged him!

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      Steve Bettencourt

      3 years ago

      Also had two Club Champion fittings–definitely upsold on shafts. Good experience as far as the variety of club and shaft options but couldn’t justify the final cost to performance of the driver they eventually configured — I’ll use a local fitter next time around…

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      Ed M.

      3 years ago

      I’ve been using a Cleveland Turbo driver for two years now and while it took a month or so (five or six rounds) to get used to it, I have to say it’s the easiest driver I’ve ever used — accurate and forgiving. I did lose some distance over my previous driver, (TM), but I wouldn’t trade it. I see a lot of disappointed Cleveland users but unless you play competitively, it’s a solid and dependable club. No regrets..

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      Greg Johnson

      3 years ago

      Thank you for this. I am not surprised with the results and it mirrors my own personal experience. I will say that all things considered, Ping may be rated higher by owners because of the sound. It may seem like a small thing, but it does make a golfer feel better when they hear that sound. I traded my Ping for TaylorMade because of a little extra distance…. and yes,, I do miss that sound!

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      dhb10844

      3 years ago

      In January 2021, I was “fitted” for my new driver at a major, big box, golf retailer that advertised that the “fitting’ was being conducted by a certified, Ping Fitting Expert.. I ended-up with a 9 deg., R-Flex shafted, Ping G425 Max Driver. It took 3 months to get my new driver from Ping. I started golf swing lessons with that driver in early April 2021. My Golf Swing Coach asked me what my swing speed was during the driver fitting. I told him it was 99 mph. He took one look at the shaft’s R-flex and told me to take it back to where I bought it and get my money back or a Stiff Flex shaft. When I returned the driver, it turned out that the Ping “Expert” Fitter was actually the Ping Midwest Sales Manager and was not a Ping Fitter at all. I ended up with a brand new Ping G425 Max 9 deg. driver, with a S-Flex shaft and with 4 more swing lessons, I dropped 10 points off my Handicap by finding more fairways this year. It was a major league hassle as the big box golf retailer was an hour away from where I live, but it all turned out good in the end~!

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      Don't buy that

      3 years ago

      Sorry. No. BS. A change from a regular to a stiff did not save you 10 shots.

      The difference between “R” and “S” is not that big, and if you’re swinging 99, R isn’t out of the question for a proper fit — especially if you present with a hard draw or weird tempo.

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      markf

      3 years ago

      As a retired experienced fitter from a big box golf retailer, it is disturbing to continually hear stories such as these. How many times have you heard not to base your purchase on the printed shaft flex, it’s just one company’s assessment for their own shafts. You didn’t say in your comment if the original shaft was the stock Alta CB. If it was the Ping Tour or possibly the Rogue, those shafts play in my opinion stiffer than the Alta CB. My point is don’t jump to conclusions regarding printed shaft flex, your swing is unique, and your tempo and transition may match up with a R-flex in some models or an S-flex in others.

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      Owen

      3 years ago

      A really great write up ! – think you Tony.

      I really like all of the detailed analysis around customer satisfaction.
      Ive bought 3 drivers in my lifetime. The first I bought from a golf club after trying just that one driver on the course, the second I bought ‘cheap’ online (based on hype) and the third I got fitted by a big box retailer. But I went armed with a ton research from your site and with a clear idea of the problem I wanted to solve.

      The retailer had some brand bias – but I was thorough, and that gave me the opportunity to get the fitting right and i’m so much happier with this big stick than the others I’ve had.. I ended up with a brand I hadn’t thought I would like and a brand which I would now try for other clubs.

      Always try and keep an open mind ! – you may think you don’t have any biases but all that advertising is paid for for a reason.

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      Kevin

      3 years ago

      DIYed my F9 with a Mitsubishi Tensei CK Blue regular flex 60 and like it. Also have a Rogue that I refitted for that I’m anxious to try, shaft just arrived, so need it done and out the door for a round.

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      Fozcycle

      3 years ago

      Thanks for the survey Tony, interesting stuff. Like MGoBlue, I did the same thing with PXG, buying the 0211 with Evenflo Riptide shaft. Excellent choice as I love it more everyday.

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      pgfree33

      3 years ago

      Have been very curious about those and looking to replace my 913. What was your previous driver, current handicap and driver swing speed?

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      Joe Scales

      3 years ago

      Excellent work. Thanks.

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      Michael W. Wilson

      3 years ago

      Just thought that Krank would be the one…. But it was a waste of time & resources…….. and the three wood they added was impossible to hit…. looking back…. How I wished that I had chosen a different path… So very easy to get it wrong….with much regret…. Not a happy ending….

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      Rod Clemmons

      3 years ago

      No one should buy a club that did not perform in the fitting. As a certified Krank fitter, my clients get FlightScope data read outs that show the performance of their own equipment compared to alternate shaft-loft-COR combinations. The selected assembly is then fine tuned dynamically for balance, swing weight, and impact consistency.. I fit a variety of brands and have found Krank among the best in providing options to best match a player’s distance, trajectory, and ball flight goals. No one should order an equipment combination that did not perform satisfactorily during the fitting. RC_Nashville

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      MGoBlue100

      3 years ago

      As always, cool article and great information. When I took the survey, I was wishing there was a “I didn’t get fit for this one, but I knew my specs” answer. That group would include me and my recently purchased PXG driver. I know my numbers, didn’t have a quick and easy way to get a PXG fitting, so did some shaft research and pulled the trigger online. Glad I did, excellent driver at an excellent price point. (Gen 2; $275 delivered.) If I was interested in one of the BIG 3, I would have gone to a custom fitter to be sure.

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      joe

      3 years ago

      Tony,
      As usual, great article and wonderful insight.
      Interesting comments you make about demo’s.
      We went to Dicks so that my wife could demo drivers and fairway woods.

      Calloway and TM were easily accessed, Ping components were not even configured for demo and the women’s Cobra driver had a men’s shaft and cord grip, doomed to failure….

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      Vas

      3 years ago

      Literally just talked to a friend yesterday about his Club Champion fitting. Without prompting, I asked him how he liked his Accra shafts. He asked how I possibly knew he went with Accra shafts. I just knew, Bud. I just knew..

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      Tom54

      3 years ago

      I had 2 friends fitted there recently and both got recommended for Veylin shafts in their drivers. Maybe the brand is dependent on the location.

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      Vas

      3 years ago

      It’s all profit margin, and Accra treats its fitters well in that regard. I really like and have used Accra shafts too, but if you go to CC here, you’re almost certainly getting Accra stuff.

      Sean

      3 years ago

      In addition to some upselling at Club Champion, our own experience here locally in Cincinnati has been extremely long delivery times for ordered clubs. Certainly, COVID-19 has impacted supply chains in the last 18 months, so there’s some grace extended for that. Communication during the waiting period isn’t good, though, which makes for terrible customer satisfaction.

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      Jordan

      3 years ago

      I 100% agree with Sean’s comment, but I went through a fitting at Club Champion in Minneapolis/St. Paul. The fitting process was thorough and overall I enjoyed it, but it’s clear they focus on upselling shafts.

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      Justin

      3 years ago

      I completely agree! I was fitted for my Titleist TS4 here in Columbus and it was just consistent upsell followed by a ridiculous turnaround time with almost no communication. Honestly I would have been better just doing the fitting and then buying directly from Titleist.

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      Matt W

      3 years ago

      Tony,
      I have been a customer at Club Champion 3 times.
      1- hit but only re-shafted my irons.
      2-Bought new irons. I hated them on the course but Club Champion doesn’t have any kind of buy back guarantee and i was stuck with a $3000 set of PXG’s that resulted in my hdcp going up and me hating my irons.
      3-Fit for wedges.
      I can say- they seem to push certain shafts (Aerotech Steelfiber) and upsell the heck out of you with exotic shafts. Understand, make a buck when you can- but has cost them a customer.

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      Marty

      3 years ago

      I agree. They must receive some sort of commission or spiff from certain manufacturers. I won a free driver fitting and told the guys up front my budget and if there was something better for my game within that number, I’d re-shaft my driver. He gives me a $599 Oban shaft and while I DID hit it 2-3 yards farther, all of the other numbers were negligible with my current Mitsubishi White Board. The fitter is incredulous that I won’t spend more than what my driver cost me for maybe 3 yards. He even yells over to his buddy in the next stall, “This guy’s leaving yards in his bag for a couple of dollars!” I couldn’t believe it.

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      Scott

      3 years ago

      The advice I was given before getting fit at Club Champion was to let them know I was only interested in OEM shaft options. Thusly, I didn’t have to endure the upsell conversation and my overall fitting experience was very satisfactory

      Reply

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