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Titleist TSi Drivers (TSi2 and TSi3)

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Titleist TSi Drivers (TSi2 and TSi3)

Titleist TSi Drivers – Key Takeaways

  • Titleist has launched the new TSi series of drivers.
  • The TSi2 offers higher launch and more forgiveness.
  • The TSi3 offers a compact shape and adjustable weighting.
  • Retail price is $549.

an image of the Titleist TSi2 and TSi Drivers

The new TSi driver lineup is the follow-up to Titleist’s surprising TS series. TS offered proof the company was capable of making something other than a high-spin driver and in doing so, reestablished Titleist as a serious player in the metalwoods market. It may even have helped shake the perception of Titleist as a golf ball company that also makes clubs.

That said, when designs shift as significantly as they did between 917 and TS, it’s reasonable to expect only modest changes from the next design.

You can’t fault me for thinking the i in TSi might be for iteration.

I was wrong.

“I” For…

As it turns out, the i in the TSi driver name stands for impact. Titleist will also accept innovation, inertia or integration (of materials and mass properties). That last one doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue but it’s arguably most in line with the TSi materials and design story.

Whatever your preferred i, all of the above come together in a driver that Titleist bills as faster in the air and faster at impact. That part is entirely unsurprising. Nobody gets slower from one release to the next.

We’ll certainly attempt to explain what all of this actually means but it probably makes sense to start with the basics.

a sole view of the Titleist TSi2 Driver

TSi Drivers – Two Models (for Now)

As was the case with TS, TSi will launch with two models – TSi2 and TSi3. For what it’s worth, the TSi4 is already on the USGA conforming list and the expectation is that it, along with a TSi1, will join the lineup in 2021.

The TSi2 is your meaty part of the market offering. It’s the more forgiving, higher launching of the two models. It’s a safe bet that TSi2 will account for the majority of Titleist’s 2021 driver sales.

Positioned for the better player, the TSi3 trades a little forgiveness for a more compact shape and adjustable weighting. The “better player” classification is perhaps narrow so I’d add that it’s also for the golfer who likes a classic shape or who would benefit from a more precisely tuned trajectory.

I suppose it’s also for the golfer who wants moving parts.

A sole view of the Titleist TSi3 driver

TSi Drivers – Size versus Shape

Both TSi Drivers are 460cc but this is a classic example of size versus shape. The TSi2 has a bigger footprint with a visibly elongated heel. The TSi3 is significantly more compact and looks smaller than it is.

Not that you asked, but I don’t hate the TSi2. But I absolutely love the TSi3 at address.

Titleist says spin differences between the two TSi models should be minimal (though I’d still bet on TSi3 spinning less). With the TSi2, you get higher launch and more forgiveness. With the TSi3, you get flatter trajectory and adjustable center-of-gravity weighting.

Both models feature Titleist’s not entirely intuitive Sure Fit hosel adjustability. There’s a part of me that wishes i was for I finally made a new hosel adapter.

As with any release, the Titleist TSi driver story offers plenty of new or otherwise noteworthy highlights. Here’s your rundown.

ATI 425 Face

a photo of the Titleist TSi3 driver face
The ATI face on the Titleist TSi3 Driver

First, fair warning: I’m going to go fairly deep into the weeds here. The short version is that Titleist’s new face material is lighter, faster and stronger. Titleist says ATI 425 will give you a little more ball speed.

That’s the basics of what you need to know.

Feel free to join me in the tall grass, if you’d like. I’ve got another 800 words for you on the subject. If you’d just as soon skip ahead to the aerodynamics section, you won’t hurt my feelings.

Still here? Wow.

an image of the crown of the Titleist TSi driver

Next, let’s acknowledge that materials stories aren’t particularly sexy but, hey, at least I don’t have to talk about tungsten today. Winning! Amiright?

I thought about trying to spice things up by telling you that ATI stands for Adamantium Trampoline Infusion or that ATI is like AI but the T somehow makes it AI-ier, but I decided to shoot you all the way straight.

Look, not every acronym is fun.

Since I mentioned AI, I should also mention that Titleist would like you to know that while Callaway has staked a leadership position in the marketing of AI, it, along with basically all of its serious competitors, leverages supercomputers and the same type of optimization software to run predictive analysis and iterate designs.

I digress.

American-Made Titanium

The ATI stamped on the Titleist TSi driver face actually stands for Allegheny Technologies Incorporated.

ATI is the highly automated Pittsburgh-based steel company that produces the material (ATI 425 titanium alloy) that Titleist uses in the TSi driver faces. The material is made in the USA and then shipped to China where it’s formed into TSi driver faces.

You might remember ATI 425 from the crown of Titleist’s $1125 C16 Concept Driver. Same material. Different application.

An ATI 425 Primer

ATI 425 was initially developed for use in ballistic armor. It’s since been adapted for use in aerospace applications, including the Mars Rover. That’s kind of interesting, I suppose.

With that in mind, it makes sense that it would be light, responsive and durable. All of this makes it ideal for use in a driver face.

In the interest of time, I’ll skip over the finer points of ATI 425’s yield and tensile strength benefits (six percent and four percent stronger respectively compared with conventional materials) and higher ductility (plus 30 percent). The 10-second version is that ATI 425 allows Titleist to do a few things it couldn’t do with the industry-standard TI 6-4.

The specific claim – as it often is – is that the new face makes TSi drivers faster so here’s your more speed at impact part of the story.

This is typically the part of the program where the drivers can’t get any faster. The “everybody is at the limit” crowd starts to chimes in.

Imma let you finish (not really) but, yes, they can, and, no, they’re not.

TSi Drivers and the USGA Loophole

In converting from the “coefficient of restitution” rule to the “characteristic time” rule, the USGA created a loophole of sorts. The relationship between the two isn’t linear and that creates opportunities to push COR (the amount of energy returned to the ball) beyond .830 while keeping CT (how long a pendulum apparatus stays in contact with a driver’s face as it flexes) within the rules.

If I lost you there, just know that there’s still a little bit of wiggle room within the rules for more speed.

Manufacturing Speed

While ATI 425’s properties make for a more resilient and durable face (it’s less prone to cracking, deformation and flat spots from normal use), the conversation doesn’t end there.

When there is new speed, some (if not most) of it comes from manufacturing advancements that yield tighter tolerances. When you know you can make a more consistent product, you can be more aggressive in how you approach the limit of what the rules allow.

That’s the somehow even-less-sexy part of the ATI 425 story. What I wouldn’t give for some tungsten right about now.

When we talk about tolerances, we tend to think in terms of finished parts but it starts with the raw materials. Titleist says that ATI 425 is manufactured to tighter tolerances than conventional face materials. That creates less variation in the finished parts.

The consistency of ATI 425 allows Titleist to be more aggressive with its CT targets (make the face faster because it has fewer production outliers). It is also able to more precisely control hot spots to align the fastest parts of the face with the center of gravity to get the maximum energy transfer.

Titleist says that ATI 425 gives the TSi drivers more speed on both center and off-center strikes.

For good measure, Titleist CT tests each face multiple times during the manufacturing process. The idea is to ensure every head sold is held to the tightest tolerances. Within the big picture, it’s about doing the same thing for average golfers as it does for its Tour staff.

TSi Drivers- Improved Aerodynamics

a side profile view of the Titleist TSi2 driver

The speed in the air story comes by way of improved aerodynamics. TSi drivers are 15-percent more efficient through the air (during the swing). If you’re looking to put a number on that, we’re talking about gains measured in tenths of miles per hour. Not nothin’, but not a lot either.

The standard disclaimer applies. Aerodynamic improvements always disproportionately benefit higher swing speed players. Moderate swing speed players’ best chance for speed comes by way of longer and lighter drivers.

The biggest gains across the board will almost certainly come from a proper fitting.

a profile view of the Titleist TSi3 driver

Refined Aesthetics

We can go back and forth over the choice of gray on the sole of the TSi2 but most golfers will appreciate the clean looks of the TSi drivers.

With allowances for the 907 D1, Titleist rarely makes an ugly driver so that part isn’t particularly surprising.

Apart from the TSi3 weight track, the most appreciable enhancement is the new face design. Titleist isn’t claiming any sort of spin benefit from its new textured face but if you’ve lost your loofah or need to exfoliate your forehead, the TSi can help in a pinch. While it can masterfully remove dead skin cells, I should probably mention I haven’t noticed any residual ball material.

The ATI face on the Titleist TSi2 Driver

The contrasting colors and lines are meant to frame the ball and show a bit more loft at address. As a guy who typically plays the lowest-lofted option in any lineup, anything that makes the driver’s face appear less like my putter’s is appreciated.

Titleist has some preliminary data to suggest the design might assist in producing more centered impact. The research is ongoing but Titleist patented it just in case.

Finally, Titleist TSi drivers feature a softer, sweeping toe. For those who notice, it’s one of those refinements that’s going to be hit or miss depending on the player. The idea is to let the golfer see the curvature of the face, giving the driver a slightly open look without it actually being open. It’s meant to make you feel like you can go after it without hooking it into the abyss, though I suspect it will make others fear slicing it off the planet.

Improved Mass Properties

a photo of the surefit weight on the Titleist TSi2 driver

Improved MOI and center of gravity placement are part and parcel of every driver design. Sure, you might get told to loft up or something but it’s not like anyone is going to come out and say, “Look, the CG placement is kinda shit and the club is so unforgiving it’s borderline unplayable.”

Within this reality, newer is invariably better.

Higher MOI

Typically, when we talk about MOI, we talk about forgiveness in the front-to-back direction. That’s the magic that helps preserve ball speed on off-center strikes. With the new drivers, Titleist isn’t trying to max out MOI. Research with the company’s motion capture system found that there is a swing speed penalty that comes with max MOI drives. Given that MOI benefits aren’t linear (there’s a point of diminishing returns), the company sees more value in preserving swing speed than reaping incrementally smaller forgiveness benefits.

That’s not to say Titleist hasn’t done anything. With TSi, there is some front-to-back MOI improvement (five percent over TS) but the most significant gains come top to bottom where MOI is up 13 percent in the TSi2 and 10 percent in the TSi3.

That’s going to give you more consistent spin which, apart from generally providing more consistent ball flight, gives fitters an opportunity to fit to a lower spin number when it makes sense to do so.

A view of the crown of the Titliest TSi2 Driver
Titleist TSi2 Driver

Loft Down?

Titleist TSi Drivers come in whole number lofts. There are a couple of reasons for that. The first is that when you’re looking to boost speed, one of the easiest ways to do it is to reduce loft.

It’s also true that with the deeper center of gravity and new shapes, TSi drivers produce more dynamic loft than TS. By dropping lofts half a degree, Titleist says it was able to increase distance while maintaining the trajectory golfers expect from their loft of choice.

New Track Weighting System (TSi3)

a photo of the track weighting system on the Titleist TSi3 driver

With the TSi3 Driver, Titleist has moved from its flippable SureFit CG weight in favor of a five-position rear-track weighting system. The implementation is most similar to PING in that the track sits on the trailing edge instead of underneath it.

The TSi3’s stock weight is eight grams but additional 4-, 6-, 10- and 12-gram weights are available. If you’re so inclined, the track can support more than one weight. Additional weights will boost both head weight and MOI. If you’re doubling up, expect dynamic loft to jump appreciably as well.

Increasing the weight by 4-grams will increase CG movement by 2 mm, while decreasing it by the same amount will reduce movement by 1 mm.

The weight cover assembly is made from a durable blend of polymer and carbon fiber. It’s not necessary to completely remove the cover to move the weight. That makes changing weight positions quick and easy which both fitters and golfers making unauthorized mid-round adjustments will appreciate.

A view of the crown of the TItleist TSi3 driver
Titleist TSi3 Driver

Heel versus Draw

Notable in Titleist’s implementation is that instead of the familiar draw and fade labels, Titleist opted to use H1, H2 (heel), N (neutral), T1 and T2 (toe). While some golfers might find that confusing, it’s meant to convey that the utility of movable weights extends beyond shot shape correction.

Titleist believes there’s plenty of opportunity to address directional issues at the hosel. While shifting weights can build on that, the company’s focus is on using movable weight to align the center of gravity with the point of impact. If, for example, your impact pattern is consistently toe biased, shifting the weight to the T1 or T2 position will almost certainly increase ball speed.

Titanium Crown

With its TSi Drivers, Titleist is again using 100-percent titanium construction. Like PING, it hasn’t found any performance benefit in leveraging carbon fiber. Its capabilities with titanium allow it to make ultra-thin (.4mm) crowns. While carbon fiber is typically a bit lighter, when you factor in the ledges and glue necessary to support it, effective mass is a wash.

Titleist prefers titanium because it can more easily be tuned to produce the sound and feel it believes golfers prefer. You do, of course, and I think it’s fair to say that as carbon-fiber drivers have evolved, some have grown to appreciate the acoustics.

That said, you can put me solidly in the titanium camp. The TSi drivers sound and feel awesome.

TSi Drivers – Stock Featured Shafts

With Titleist TSi Drivers, there are no stock shafts, only featured shafts. The distinction is entirely semantic but it’s an acknowledgment that continued use of suspect made for designs in some competitor lineups has given stock shafts a dubious reputation.

We can nitpick the distinctions between Tensei and Tensei Pro, for example, but the larger point is that everything in the Titleist Featured Shaft lineup can be found on the manufacturer’s website and purchased at retail. No “OEM exclusives” here.

Kuro Kage Black DC (5th Generation) – The highest-launching shaft in the lineup, the Kuro Kage Black is listed as a mid-launch shaft. It features Straight Flight Weighting.

Quick refresher: that means there’s a bit of tungsten weighing (dammit!) under the grip. It’s intended to fight the right-side bias of lighter shafts.

The Kuro Kage Black is available in 50/55 grams in A, R and S flex.

Tensei AV Blue Raw – Your classic mid-launch, mid-spin profile, the AV Raw also features Straight Flight Weighting.

The Tensei AV Blue Raw is available in 55/65 grams in R, S and X flex.

HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX – The RDX means Redux or next-gen. It’s the low- to mid-launch, low- to mid-spin offering in the lineup. It’s generally well suited to more aggressive swingers.

The HZRDUS Smoke Black RDK is available in 60/70 grams in 6.0 (stiff) and 6.5 (x-stiff).

Tensei AV White Raw – The low-launch, low-spin offering in the Titleist TSi featured-shaft lineup, the stiff-tipped white is for stronger swingers looking for stability and control.

The Tensei AV White Raw is available in 65/75 grams in S and X flex.

Stock Premium Featured Shafts

But wait! There’s more! Titleist has partnered with Graphite Design to offer a selection of three Premium Featured Shafts.

Tour AD-DI – Still going strong after more than 10 years on the market, the AD-DI is billed as mid/high launch, low-spin offering. It’s available in 50-, 60- and 70-gram weight classes in S and X flex.

Tour AD-XC – Released last year, the XC is a modernized version of the AD-BB. It’s a mid- to low-launch, low-spin offering. It’s available in 50-, 60-, 70- and 80-gram weight classes in S and X flex.

Tour AD-IZ – Currently the most-played Graphite Design shaft on Tour, the AD-IZ is classified as a low/mid launch, low-spin offering. It is also available in 50-, 60-, 70- and 80-gram weight classes in S and X flex.

The featured grip in the Titleist TSi lineup is the new Golf Pride Tour Velvet 360 (grey) Flat Cap. The premium featured grip is the Golf Pride Z Grip 58R.

Titleist TSi Drivers – Specs, Pricing, and Availability

The Titleist TSi2 Driver is available in 9, 10 and 11 degrees. An eight-degree option is available through custom in right-hand only. The Titleist TSi3 Driver is available in eight, nine and 10 degrees. An 11-degree option is available through custom in right-hand only.

The retail price for both Titleist TSi drivers is $549. If you prefer a deal over the latest tech, the TS series has been discounted to $350.

There is a $200 upcharge for the Premium Featured Graphite Design Shafts.

Consumer fittings begin today with full retail availability starting on Nov. 12.

For more information, visit Titleist.com.

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      Mike Inman

      3 years ago

      I see only one shaft between stock and upgrade has an A flex. Is it correct to assume this club is not recommended for slower swingers?

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      Vern

      3 years ago

      Tony, loved your take on the TSi’s. I now play the TS2 set to 10.75*. I played the TS1 also last year and found the TS2 gets more rollout. I am playing the Mitsubishi Fubuki MV45 shaft and really like the combination. Have made several purchases on Ebay to end up with this combo, but love it. I am surprised to see that the Fibuki shaft is not an option in the TSi’s.i have been a club fitter and maker since the 80’s, so I have somewhat of a feeling for quality.

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      Steven P

      3 years ago

      Have always favored Callaway as my go to product and always looking for a forgiving, draw bias driver. I’m 64, bad back both right and left hips replaced, so my swing speed as lessened (80-95mph). So I’m thinking that Titleist might play in my favor, especially with the shafts they offer. We’ll see. Thanks for the review. They’re always the most honest I can find.

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      Sharkhark

      3 years ago

      Had a quick fitting with several current models, mavrik, mavrik max, Bertha b21, tsi2, tsi3, sim Max.
      All brands, models were in the 244 to 250 range for my 99mph swing.
      Except…. The TSI lineup. The tsi2 was more forgiving and although really going after it led to a bit of a hook most swings were better and better I averaged 265. With 271 as a high point.
      Not normally a Titleist driver fan and they look nice but I’m not all crazy on them however the shaft and head was great.
      It was 10 degree open with tensei raw white 65 gram. I’ve usually played lighter shafts this was a great combo. Price here in Canada is $750 enough to cause me to throw up.

      Is it justifiable. I dunno that’s insanely expensive.

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      Mark Black

      3 years ago

      I would love to see and learn more about the shafts. Want to confirm that these are the Real Deal and not the usual big manufacturer pull the wool over my eyes… I purchased a Tsi3 with a Tensei White. But then started reading around about how stock shafts are not the real deal. Ended up here, dazed and confused. Hoping I did not get some made in China shaft. I play Graphite Design now. And want to continue with top quality.

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      RLO

      3 years ago

      That’s cool the “i” stands for Impact. I wonder if this opens the door for a return of Direct Central Impact?

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      Brian

      3 years ago

      Did a fitting last weekend and absolutely love the TSI. From a looks standpoint I wanted so much for the 3 to be the one but the numbers were way better than the 2. I currently game a TS 2 with smoke shaft and ended up with TSI2 with Tour ADI. I picked up 10 yards and really was a result of a better fitting this time.. With my current gamer I was surprised to see I was only getting 1700-1800 spin at about 10 degrees launch. We tried Several combos and it was close between Blue Av Raw and the Tour ADI. I was launching both about 13 degrees around 2000 spin. I was getting much tighter dispersion with Tour ADI so that is why I ended up with that one. For what is worth I am a 10 with about 97-100 club head speed depending on day and how much the almost 50 year old belly gets on the way. It really reminded me again of why a good fitting is so important. I loved the feel of the smoke shaft but it def was not optimal for me. Now I wait like a kid at Christmas for it to arrive and hope for a round or two before the snow flies!

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      JP

      3 years ago

      Perfect, two more seasons of league winnings and I will be back to a full Titleist bag (Unless Acushnet likes my resume, that could speed things up…)

      Great read though Tony, love this stuff

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      Brian Butters

      3 years ago

      Got fitted for the TSi2 driver today.
      Trackman numbers showed an improvement in average distance by 18 yards compared to my current gamer PING G400 SFT.
      And the launch angle (17), descent angle (33) and spin rate (2,100) were all big improvements.
      Setting up an appointment to be fitted into the fairway wood as well.
      Well done, Titleist.

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      David

      3 years ago

      I use the same Ping driver and it has been good to me. Are you able to draw the TSi2 as easily as the Ping?

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      mackdaddy9

      4 years ago

      It looks great and sounds great. Don’t they always though.

      Have you tried it yet?

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      James

      4 years ago

      I got to test drive the new TSi2 driver and irons today with Chuck, the Titelist Rep who did a free fitting at our club. .I’m a 72 year old high handicappee (18) with a bad back, a left hip replacement and right hip that will likely need replacement within the year so was looking for forgiving clubs that add distance. I’ve typically purchased from Callaway Pre-Owned and have had my Big Bertha irons and Rogue driver for about 5 years. I’m awaiting my Trackman Report but hit the Titelist irons 10-15 yards further than my Callaways and the TSi2 driver 15-25 yards further with greater accuracy and consistency than my Rogue that was never fitted. I’m ready to buy but may still wait to compare with the new Callaway B21’s before making a final purchase decision on what will likely be my last set of clubs! I always thought I’d always stay with my Callaways since I’ve had 5 aces over the past year and a half at the local Par3 with the help of a couple of mulligans but loved the new Titelist!!!⛳?️‍♂️

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      Drew W.

      4 years ago

      Would love to try one of these drivers out. Especially since I was already in the market for new one, with a good fitting of course. I am now in need severely of a new one since I recently cracked the face on my driver that come out approximately 2013. The new technology and spin decreases on these new faces seems like something myself and most others I play along with could use.

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      Dustin boudreaux

      4 years ago

      Would love to try the new driver

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      Joe Perez

      4 years ago

      That softer, sweeping toe WILL scare me into thinking I might slice it off the planet, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want it. ^_^

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      Steve S

      4 years ago

      I love to read these reviews and I’m impressed with the technical discussion. I am, however, depressed that I can’t enter into the enthusiasm for the “next fitting” because with my 90MPH swing speed, none of the improvements over the last three years mean much to my driver performance….especially at these price points. And before you comment about fitting, I’ve tried and my gamer (Ping G30) is always within a couple yards of the new sticks.

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      Phill

      4 years ago

      Amen Brother!

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      Peter

      4 years ago

      Join the club! The last 10 years of driver technology has done nothing for me.

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      Walter

      4 years ago

      Well I guess the i doesn’t stand for “inexpensive”!

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      Mitch

      3 years ago

      If only…lol

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      Dave C

      3 years ago

      I thought the I thought the Graphite design IZ shaft was a high launch/low spin. In your article it said low to mid launch.

      Mike

      4 years ago

      I will definitely look at this driver over the winter when I do my annual driver fitting and check up. But damn, @ $549, at some point I have to believe these new drivers will be unaffordable to a fair segment of the golfing population. Lucky for me I have a decent driver now and a premium shaft, so selling those off may cover all of most of the cost if I bought this one.

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      Pauli

      4 years ago

      If the cost of your driver sold in used condition nearly covers the cost of one of these new I’d suggest you’re taking a backwards step and pud more than the price tag of the Titleist for your current gamer when new ?

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      Mike

      4 years ago

      I got lucky in that I had a milestone birthday, got a bunch of golf store gift cards. So my current driver and the aftermarket shaft cost me very little. I’m not saying I would flat out by the driver, but I’ll be willing to try anything since driver has always been a week part of my game.

      Paulo

      4 years ago

      What driver shaft combo do you currently game that would nearly cover the cost of this new driver

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      Mike

      4 years ago

      Ping G410 LST & a fujikura ventus red shaft.. The aftermarket real one.Not exactly sure if it covers this whole price but from what I’ve seen on eBay, at least fairly close

      George Johnson

      4 years ago

      i think that Titleist drivers only change in looks face thickness can’t change ,they can only go so thin ,i have a 910 and a TS2 driver same shaft in both no difference in distance ,just pay more

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      RT

      4 years ago

      This is a combination of 3 other mfg .designs.
      Head shape = Ping
      Face=Cobra
      Sliding weighting = Mizuno

      Nothing NEW in designs !!!

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      Steve

      4 years ago

      Tony,
      Your assessment of the Ts vs Tsi . Does it make sense to pay the difference between what you can get the Ts for now, and this ridiculous price for the Tsi. Normally there’s not much difference in performance, and all the rest, since it’s just one gen between them to justify the $200 +, right ?

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      Don O

      4 years ago

      Great value decision. if you have a 5 year or older gamer, then either will improve forgiveness. With a fitting to match shaft, head, and loft to you, you will likely do better either way. But your ego to have the shiny new toy may make this a hard choice.

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      Ant

      4 years ago

      Have a fitting booked next Tuesday at Titleist hq in UK.

      Like others interested in the performance gains and to see if it’s a better fit than TS was for me over my 917 which was a ”stock” shaft issue not reducing spin.

      Not sure I like the alignment logo as the old fulcrum one was clear and not fussy although the wrong way round on 917.

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      Golfinnut

      4 years ago

      Wait .. did someone say Titanium?? LOL

      I don’t get my fitting until mid November. So I’m anxiously waiting. Not unless MGS wants to pick me for the review! ;)

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      Karlton Uhm

      4 years ago

      I’m looking forward to test the TS2 driver soon.

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      Phill

      4 years ago

      How many Saturday morning bets are you going to have this driver win for you in order to pay the $550 entry fee?

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      Bob Kendall

      4 years ago

      Good looking drivers with one nodel having a nice copy of the Ping 410/425 and Mizuno 600(?) sliding bias adjustment. That said, Titleist will continue their solid 5th place postion in retail driver sales behind in no particualr order, Ping, Callaway, Taylor Made and Cobra. Having just retired from 17 years of custom fitting, I have to believe my prediction is pretty much on the mark.

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      MBBG

      3 years ago

      $100 says you’re wrong

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      Jim McMahon

      3 years ago

      Not so sure in this case – when Fleetwood who is not contracted to a driver manufacturer switches from Talyormade to new Titleist and it was the most commonly used driver in the last major, I think we are seeing a change here. The numbers don’t fall short of any other driver this time. Let’s wait and see..

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      Adam

      4 years ago

      Cool driver I’m sure. Me being left handed its usually hard to track down a head to hit let alone get fitted for. Graphite Design OEM shaft is a nice addition. I’d be curious on how well they perform compared to the true aftermarket shafts from GD at $800 a pop.

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      Jimmy

      4 years ago

      They are the true aftermarket shafts. Keep in mind you’re not getting them for $200; you’re getting them for the price of the other shafts + $200 more. The non-upcharge stock shafts are fairly expensive.

      IMHO fancy shafts are worth their weight in gold unless you are very average (swing speed, tempo, & delivery), I bought a Ventus on eBay for $260 and it made a bigger impact than the driver head. And I’ll probably keep using it in the next driver I buy.

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      David Lewis

      4 years ago

      This is an excellent review. Will definitely test against my TS3. No triangle alignment aid on Titleist ?

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      Joe

      4 years ago

      Great read thanks Tony

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      Darren

      4 years ago

      Will be going for a fitting on Saturday morning to see if these models are better than my Ping G400. I like the look of the TSi3 but most probably my high HCP and inconsistent swing will see me in the TSi2.

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      aivo

      4 years ago

      I’m confused! High HCP and inconsistent swing, why bother with “hi tech” clubs. Worked, and worked some more with my old gamers and moved to a TS2 only after getting the HCP to below 10. Even then it was more of a psychological boost than a lot of bonus yards off the tee for this “aging” golfer.

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      Don O

      4 years ago

      As the article indicated, aerodynamics don’t impact at 90 mph swings. Length and light weight do more. At some point, TS-1 and 425-SFT are better solutions than clubs used at the pro level. We can hope to be Bryson wannabes but there’s reality. I watch the men for entertainment and the women on how to play a course.

      Mike

      4 years ago

      Ego. And some folks like (& have the $ to burn on) new toys. They’d be better off with lessons (or an improved fitness regimen).

      Darren

      4 years ago

      The reason I’m going for a fitting is because Titleist is offering a 50% off fitting charges in my area. Also they are the only fitting centre using real balls at a outdoor range with TM.
      All other fitters are either indoor or outdoor using range balls or nets/artificial turf rather than real grass.
      My last driver fitting at Ping was basically selecting which heads (1 out of 2) and then selecting either R, S shafts using old range balls with a fitter who is hardly qualified..

      The fitting scene over here is pretty terrible so not much of a choice.

      Kansas King

      4 years ago

      If faces are truly getting hotter and exceeding the old 0.83 COR limit, I’ll be curious to see if dispersion numbers start growing. The Callaway ERC2 (exceeded new 0.83 COR limit) was used in the late 90s by the European tour for a year as they hadn’t adopted the new restriction yet. The ball did go farther but it was also harder to control and the end result was very few players were still using the driver at the end of the year. I’ll be curious to see if advances in VFT faces and MOI can counteract the negatives of a hotter face. I would be curious to see how this driver measures using traditional COR measurements because I just can’t see there being a massive disparity between the two measurement systems. Seeing the testing next year will be interesting.

      Also, please include the past Most Wanted winner in the testing for the new testing for the sake of comparison. I know it may be a harder decision on your end but it would up the validity of your testing.

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      drew

      4 years ago

      graphite designs own website says the AD-IZ is high launch…can someone explain why MGS/Titleist is saying its low to mid?

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      Paulo

      3 years ago

      Because the one of the website is the proper mega bucks one , not the one you get at a reduced rate with the tsi?

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      Drew

      3 years ago

      i thought all of these shaft options this time were supposed to be ‘real deal’ and not the basic versions from previous years. idk

      Tony Covey

      3 years ago

      All of the shafts are “real deal”. I suspect the discrepancy in the launch characteristics boils down to relativity, which is pretty much the case with any shaft specification. Within the Graphite Design lineup (particularly the TOUR AD franchise), the Tour AD IZ is going to be on the higher launching end of the spectrum.

      That said, our point of comparison here is the rest of the Titleist Featured Shaft lineup. Within that space, my expectation is that the AD IZ (and the AD DI for that matter) will likely launch lower than the both the Kuro Kage and the Tensei AV Blue. So, on a comparative basis, the IZ can reasonably be considered mid-launch and I suppose mid-low isn’t outlandish.

      Bill Kroen

      4 years ago

      Great write up. Thanks, I will be checking the TSI 2 out to replace my TS 2 that I love.

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      Mike

      4 years ago

      First let me say that I am NOT put off by the Titleist hosel adjustment system. It allows for more independent adjustments on loft and lie. Second is that Titlist has always had as wide or wider selection of shafts than most. Not critical for my 6 handicap as one of the several “stock” ones will work. But for those scratch or better it is about the details.. I love my 917 and skipped the TS however the TSI is probably on my shopping list. I have always enjoyed Titleist’s approach to design. Simple, classic shape. No distracting flashes of color and a solid sound.. If you want “steak” it is probably here. If you want “sizzle” it is somewhere else on the menu..

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      Rob

      4 years ago

      I have a fitting set for these next week, I’m anxious to see which one will fit me better, most likely the TSi2 for the forgiveness, but as someone who generally lives near the 3K mark in spin, the TSi 3 might be the call.

      Both are great looking drivers!

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