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Yes. Absolutely everyone should play a 7-wood. No exceptions.
Seriously, do it.
For real, though, I’ve been a shameless fan of the 7-wood since I put one in the bag a couple of years ago but, admittedly, there’s no guarantee your experience will mirror mine.
I should also point out that my driver head speed hovers around 110 right now. That doesn’t make me the fastest guy on the planet (or even on the MyGolfSpy staff) but the point is that higher-lofted woods definitely aren’t exclusively for slow to moderate swing speed players.
I dumped a 4-hybrid for the 7-wood and it’s consistently straighter, dispersion is tighter and it’s harder to hook. Generally speaking, the big miss isn’t something I worry about.
If there’s a downside to the 7-wood it’s that, with the exceptionally high trajectory, it’s not ideal in a strong wind. For windy conditions, I’m going to keep a hybrid or possibly even a utility iron around.
If there were any standards defining shaft flex, this would be an easy answer. The problem is that a “stiff ” in one model can be stiffer than an “X-stiff” in another or softer than a “regular” in yet another.
For better or worse (probably worse), “flex” is really just a catch-all that loosely (or barely) describe the overall stiffness of the shaft. As a single measurement/metric, it’s not particularly helpful as far as describing where a shaft is stiff and where it might be a tad softer.
Some shafts have stiff butt sections and soft tips, some are soft in the handle and mid sections and stiffer in the tip. Shafts come in all combinations and, again, a simple flex designation doesn’t begin to cover it.
All of that said, if the stiff in whatever shaft you’re playing is working better than the X, that’s probably where you need to be. Swing speed is just one factor in shaft fitting. Tempo and transition are important as well … and that’s before we dig into the weeds on swing path and miss tendencies.
I’m aware of at least one study that found that the shaft that feels best in a golfer’s hands is often the one that performs best as well. If it feels right, it’s probably because it’s bending right. So, while we’re always going to side with the data, there may be something to the feel thing when it comes to choosing a shaft.
Assuming you’re right-handed, if the ball is consistently flying too far left, that’s a pretty solid clue.
If that’s the case, before you ditch the irons, have your lie angles checked. I used to have a big left miss (and it didn’t much matter what iron I was playing). Bending my lie angles a degree or two flat (depending on the model) has made a world of difference
The answer to the first part of your question is “nope.” No chance. Golf companies definitely aren’t going to lower prices, especially if they have new things to sell less often.
As for the second, yeah, I think it’s reasonable to assume that whether it’s an extra six months or a full year, R&D teams could pack a little bit more horsepower into the new model. Ultimately, that means golfers could get more (relative to the previous model) than they do in a one-year cycle.
That said, while there are some interesting (and relatively new) technologies in the metalwood category, a good bit of the year-over-year changes amount to moving the center of gravity around so that the new model performs differently than the one that came before it.
I’ve yet to see a situation where the new thing is better for 100 percent of golfers. So, even with more development time, better performance can’t be guaranteed. For some it will be better, for others worse and for a sizeable chunk, pretty much the same.
We’ve liked what we’ve seen from Snell balls to this point. They’ve tested well in our robot ball tests and quality has tested as average or better in Ball Lab and, for a good run, it’s likely the MTB series was the most popular direct-to-consumer ball on the market.
Unfortunately, Snell’s urethane models have been tough to get lately. Chalk that up to a combination of general supply chain issues and TaylorMade’s acquisition of what was the Nassau ball plant (not TaylorMade Korea).
For now (and perhaps for the long term), TaylorMade is no longer producing balls for third parties. That means when the new MTB and MTB-X launch later this year, they’ll be made at a different factory.
We’ll know more as the new balls get closer to launch but given Dean Snell’s past success and the fact that Snell balls are popular with our readers, it’s something we’re going to be looking at closely.
Not so much a question but a comment that appeared in one form or another about 100 times in response to our story about layoffs at PXG.
Rephrased as a question: Is this the beginning of the end for PXG?
I could be wrong but I don’t think so.
Readers have been predicting the demise of PXG from the very beginning and yet the company is more popular than ever and, by some measure, its low prices have positioned it as the brand of the people.
To be sure, layoffs are never good but there are a couple of factors in play. First, as James Carville famously said, “it’s the economy, stupid.”
Layoffs are on the rise across the country and it stands to reason more will follow. I’d wager that before the year is over, PXG won’t be the only golf brand to cut staff.
On a related note, the best of golf’s COVID boom is behind us. It’s all but a certainty that sales will be down across the whole of the equipment industry in 2023. I don’t mean to be flippant but there’s an element of this that’s a bit like January at any big box retailer.
For the golf equipment industry, it’s been like Christmas for the better part of two years. Many (probably all) increased staff to meet unprecedented demand. Golf’s marathon holiday season is winding down so it stands to reason others will also need to right-size for a changing market.
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kevin1 week ago
I go driver 10.5*, 16.5* 3wood, 21* 7wood, 4Hy cranked to 23* 1*flat with the shorter hybrid shaft actually replaced my 4 iron. Best top of the bag Iv’e ever had!!
Also Starring1 week ago
Why lighter Drivers?
Less grams in the shafts, thinner faces, lightness of the carbon?
Shouldn’t it be like Thor’s Hammer with a longer handle? Or like David’s sling, with a nice stone at the end?
Alex1 week ago
With all the comments on the 7 wood, what is a Heavenward in terms of loft and distance? Given the shaft length (4 wood length), is it supposed to be longer than a 7 wood ( a 6 wood?) ?
Tampon Woods2 weeks ago
So, when a player like McIlroy and Morikawa can’t hit the new driver well right away as they put it into play immediately (Morikawa went back to his old Sim for the time being), how can the reviews be that the Stealth 2 Plus is the highest rated driver etc blah blah blah, when they’re the BEST players in the World, and they can’t even hit it FFS, there has to be something wrong with the way the reviews are done, or you’re telling porkies and are just a promotion shill for the manufacturers lol
Tampon Woods2 weeks ago
And, I might add, that if they “finally” figure it out with all the tweaking with moving the weights around inside the head with hot melt and whatnot after EXTENSIVE testing and reworking –
What chance does an amateur John Q Public got, just grabbing one off the shelf or just having a basic fit done at the local store who only will just use stock heads with catalogue shafts and no tweaking at the level that the Pro Tour Vans would do????
It’s such a scam. Don’t waste your money on it, folks.
Tampon Woods2 weeks ago
Oh, and if you’re wondering how Scottie Scheffler is doing so well –
it’s because he’s using a Pro-V1.
Now I don’t mean to promote the Titleist ball, I don’t play it, but there is something to that, that the TM ball is just not as good as the Titleist one
Phil was right2 weeks ago
So the Stealth 2 driver isn’t any good because Colin doesn’t play it and the same with the TM ball. Never mind that Scottie just won with a Stealth 2 driver. And the ProV1 is better than the TM ball because Scotty plays it yet Kurt won with the TP5x last week at Bay Hill. The logic here is outstanding.
Tampon Woods1 week ago
It’s outstanding cos it’s a wind up, and you don’t get jokes ha-ha!
Peter Roudnicky2 weeks ago
Talking about Hybrid or 7 Wood – you should tell us what loft the 7 wood should have , compared to the loft of the hybrid .
Scott D.2 weeks ago
Thanks for all the insights… As for the 7W topic, I added a 7W and 9W last year and I feel like both are cheat codes and haven’t looked back either. Should have done it sooner! Even when you don’t get it perfect still get a great result. Golf is hard enough, have some fun and your buddies say I wish I could do that. 😁
David Black2 weeks ago
Will you look to add Seed Golf balls to your testing, we are seeing alot more of this Irish DTC company on the course at our club.
tproberts2 weeks ago
what is your opinion on Oncor. golf balls….I have been using the Elixer and seems to be ok but not sure I wouldn’t be able to get more distance using another ball. I am 76 and probably swing in the 90’s ??? Probably more people using them in the north east. So far it seems I am the only one using them here in Texas…….
Lou2 weeks ago
Do you think that Snell kind of fell asleep at the wheel and did not act very fast when their sourcing of balls was ended? Don’t you think they rode their 5 or 6 or 7 year old ball technology way too long and watched others, like OnCore, just come along and shove Snell to the side of the road? Despite the love MGS has for Snell, I think Snell is going to have great difficulty achieving their past success with other DTC balls better, more imaginative and a little cheaper, than Snell.
Tampon Woods2 weeks ago
No. Covid got in the way of the supply and shipping lines.
And if there was nothing being received to sell, well, they didn’t have time to develop anything either.
Or, their contracts ran out, and the world economy changed
WYBOB2 weeks ago
There are a lot of good golf balls in the marketplace right now. That said, Dean Snell was instrumental in the original development of the Pro V1 when he was at Titleist, and the Penta (precursor to the TP5) when he was at Taylormade. He engineers his own products from the inside out. His current inventory issues are due to supply chain issues caused by Covid. He has had 2 enhanced MTB balls in development for the last year and a half, only to run into component supply issues in Asia. While other DTC supplies rely on their supplier for the engineering used in their products, Dean Snell has the knowledge and background to develop his own golf balls and only outsources the manufacturing. He also has his own engineers and QC staff in the ball plants to insure their quality. The Snell MTB balls are excellent products that need refinement in the same way the Pro V1 does- incremental.ly
Mike2 weeks ago
I know it’s the current fad now, but remind me again why I’m hitting a longer-length 7W instead of 4 hybrid? Don’t we tend to be more comfortable with clubs that are a bit shorter versus longer? And for me, my course is windy, so it’s hard to keep a 5W trajectory manageable. I can only imagine how high that ball would go with a 7W.
A2 weeks ago
Use a grip shooter. It doesn’t stretch the grip as much as a “slim Jim” remover. I use this method almost daily in my shop.
Adam Burton2 weeks ago
Grip Saving? What the most effective way? Do you believe it impacts the grips integrity at all? Providing that it is a “newer” grip that wasn’t used much.
Tampon Woods2 weeks ago
Depends on the grip.
If you’re trying to save one of them silly Winn grips with the insert liner and then the outer layer, fuhgeddaboutit. You can use the needle and hope to be able to get the fluid in there nicely and then get it off.
Rubber grips are much easier, you can use the blade and use enough fluid, it comes off quite easily. Obviously with corded grips it’s best to use the needle so that the blade doesn’t blow up the threads
MrHogan2 weeks ago
Kudos to Tony for the answer on shaft flex. Nicely summarized. I think most average players don’t realize the characteristics and variables of shafts in terms of butt, mid section and tip (stiffness and softness) and how these factors determine what. is best suited to your swing.
Ray Cherry2 weeks ago
At 77 years old I replaced my 4 hybrid with a 5 wooden and never looked back. Im not old enough for a 7 wood, ha!
Ken2 weeks ago
I am 74 (just a kid) and put a Ping 7 wood in the bag last year after being disappointed with 4 different manufacturers of hybrids. The heaven wood (20.5*) is a very high flight. Just what I needed to hit the green from 175 yards. Dead accurate.
Trusty Rusty2 weeks ago
I putting a 7w in my bag this year, out comes the 3 hybrid. Looking forward to it.
DJ plays with a 7 wood, no matter what the course is, no matter how windy, He has had one for several years now and he ain’t old!
Matthew Mc2 weeks ago
Dose shaft torque matter or is it preference and dose the robot hit the perfect shot at any swing speed with any shaft or do acceleration curves need to be changed.
WYBob2 weeks ago
I played the Pro V1 when I lived at 600 feet above sea level. I now play at 6500 feet above sea level and I noticed that my ball trajectory is lower and flatter. Would I be better served by switching to a Pro V1X (or a similar X ball) to raise the trajectory and overall ball flight? I know altitude does not affect spin, but it sure does seem to affect the trajectory and overall ball flight. Thoughts???
MarkM2 weeks ago
Hi wybob, I live at altitude and you’re correct – spin is not affected by altitude. But how a spinning ball interacts with the atmosphere you’re hitting it through is affected.
I play a high spin ball here, but if I go to a place to play that has significantly less elevation (I visit Atlanta yearly) that ball goes up and nowhere – I have to change to a lower spinning ball to get closer to the trajectories I want.
… maybe it’s just me 🙂
DAVID E BASSETT2 weeks ago
Loving these regular Q&As, Tony. Keep em coming.
MarkM2 weeks ago
Totally Agree! Keep ’em coming Tony!!
Gary2 weeks ago
News from Jobs report in February is now 3.4% unemployment rate, lowest in 53 years. So not sure it’s the economy for PXG. Just a thought.
Tampon Woods2 weeks ago
“Overall’ employment, sure – people filled in jobs at local stores and menial jobs and basic labor type jobs and such to help with those numbers –
but look at the Tech sector.
No mention of US companies actually bringing their manufacturing back to the US, either, and they won’t, not with this inflation and high costs of everything in the US when it’s dead cheap and less than half price at many other countries capable of handling mass production.
Many reports out of the financial markets are talking about a crash within the next 60 days, and a recession. That should empty out the golf courses again, and a load of foreclosures etc
Wilson Player2 weeks ago
Feb unemployment rose to 3.6% for the latest report.
Job creation fell dramatically from Jan 2023 and was the 3rd lowest in a year.
Mike2 weeks ago
That’s stat relates nothing to PXG.. Some of the biggest companies in the world (Microsoft, Facebook, etc.) are all doing layoffs. Sure, there are tons of $15-20 an hour jobs out there especially w/ Amazon & all the fulfillment centers / warehouses that have sprung up.
The golf boom over the past few years will slow down as many people who started in that time period are now realizing how much it costs to upgrade their equipment & especially to play. So PXG is just repositioning themselves for their next phase of business operations. I’ve been to one of the retail stores; fantastic fitting experience even though I didn’t buy anything. But from the traffic I saw in there, there’s no need for them to stay open 7 days a week, 5 would be fine
Bigjoelucky2 weeks ago
Has nothing to do with the spending habits of working people
Josh2 weeks ago
Made the change from a 4H to a 7W at the start of the year, and I couldn’t be more chuffed. The 4H will sit in the spare bag for when conditions justify it, but if there’s not much wind I can typically take a drink of water and check my email while waiting for the 7W to land – rocketship launch and soft landings.
Mark Sarookanian2 weeks ago
Any updates/new scoop about Kirkland Irons? Looking forward to a new set of irons, and not needing to sell a kidney to help facilitate the absurd cost.
Mark Bachand2 weeks ago
I HAVE use a 7 wood for years and can hit out of the first cut better then a 4 hi. I
I Told my brother to start using a 7 wood and he said it’s much better then the 4hi. NOW HE ln the fairway again
John Hartman2 weeks ago
What is up with quality control at PXG. I’ve struggled with a set of 0211 DC’s I bought last year and decided to have them checked. Although I ordered them 1 degree up not one club was ip 1 AND the lofts were off on some of the clubs. I contacted them and their response was basically that the lifts were “close enough “ and the lie angles – as measured by a custom builder with 30 years experience and held in high regard – was messed with non-PXG equipment so they can’t be trusted. Apparently his equipment is “wrong?” Since it’s. It PXG Was a huge PXG fan but no more!
John Martini2 weeks ago
How is Butch Harmon not in the Golf Hall of Fame yet?
John O2 weeks ago
Why is it hard for some of the better DTC brands (Oncore, Maxfli, Snell) to consistently offer a supply of their urathane covered balls in yellow? Vice does not seem to have a problem sourcing bright color balls into the mix.
Wilson Player2 weeks ago
I bet branding has a big part in the issue.
Snell and Oncore are working on being more a serious pro-level offering (in my opinion) and are sticking with the classic white. It is also the largest part of the market and safe way to go.
I would say the same for Maxfli with the addition of shelf space issues for the stores and cost to make those different colors.
Vice feels like a bigger player in the DTC market and have many that like it because of the colors and patterns they offer.
Their Red and Yellow Pro/Pro+ are great balls, but they do have issues keeping them in stock.
JOHN O2 weeks ago
Interesting theory – but I doubt that’s the case. Offering a yellow ball does not make your product any more or less “pro-level”. It simply demonstrates consideration for those of us who struggle to see white balls more than yellow balls. Hopefully Tony can shed some light on the issue – being a little closer to the action.
If the Vice balls felt as good to me and performed as well for me as the others, I’d definitely use them. Head to head – they just didn’t stack up to the Maxfli or the Oncore when I gave them a go.
Jerome A. Koncel2 weeks ago
Does the golf ball you use make any difference, e.g., , Titleist, Taylormade, Bridgestone, Srixon all charge the same for the best balls, so what’s the difference? Personally, I don’t see much, if any difference.
HAC2 weeks ago
Hey, I am the one who started the thread on the forum on seven woods.”https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/48720-seven-wood-anyone/#comment-818006 Anyway, bought one last year (replacing a 21 degree hybrid) and love the seven wood. Thanks for the thoughts.
Andy2 weeks ago
When I started building clubs 30 years ago, 7 woods became extremely popular. Then as hybrids emerged, 7 woods dwindled. Nice to see them reemerge. Most players would have better results with them.