MYGOLFSPY LABS – The Putter Grip {The Cure To Making More Putts?}
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MYGOLFSPY LABS – The Putter Grip {The Cure To Making More Putts?}

MYGOLFSPY LABS – The Putter Grip {The Cure To Making More Putts?}

MGS Labs: Putter Grips

Tell me if you’ve heard any of these “myths” about larger sized putter grips before:

  • “It will take your hands out of the stroke.”
  • “It will cure your yips…guaranteed.”
  • “You won’t flip it.”
  • “You’ll make more putts.”
  • “You’ll be more consistent.”

I’ve been in enough golf stores to have heard all of these dozens of times and they always lead me to wonder, “Where did these ideas come from?  Is it just guys repeating some marketing BS?”

Call me a skeptic, but I find a lot of these hard to believe.  If becoming the next Brad Faxon was as easy as slapping a big chunk of rubber on the end of your flat stick, course records would be falling left and right.  But, as always, I was willing to suspend judgment until the FACTS were in.  So we took this issue to the “MyGolfSpy Lab”.

WHO CARES ABOUT PUTTER GRIPS?  >> YOU SHOULD

Of all the pieces of equipment in the bag, the putter grip may be the most disrespected.  I’ve seen dozens of people pick their putter grip based on color and plenty of others who just tell the club builder to use whatever is cheap.  Is this smart?  Not according to this guy:

“The relevance of the putter grip is clearly underestimated.  The data collected with the SAM Puttlab shows that the correct putter grip directly increases performance and accuracy.”

That quote comes from Dr. Christian Marquardt, founder of SAM PuttLab, the state of the art technology for measuring the putting stroke.  When he talks about putting, it’s probably wise to listen closely, so if he thinks that the putter grip is important maybe you should, too.

CAN A (BIG PUTTER GRIP) FIX YOUR STROKE?

If I told you that an equipment manufacturer was boasting about their product earning over $32,000,000 on the PGA Tour in 2012 (that’s $32 MILLION, for those of you who don’t count good), you’d probably think I was talking about a TaylorMade driver or maybe a Titleist golf ball, right?  WRONG.  In fact, I’m talking about SuperStroke putter grips.

If you’ve been paying any attention to golf over the last couple years, whether it’s the PGA, the LPGA, or your local muni, you’ve probably noticed the explosion in popularity of large putter grips.  Perhaps you’ve even tried one yourself.  MyGolfSpy has certainly noticed the trend, but we want to know what’s behind it.

Are big grips a “one sized fits all” solution?  We hit the Lab to find out!

HOW WE TESTED

For this Lab, we had five testers hit putts using five different grips:

  • SuperStroke Fatso
  • SuperStroke Slim
  • SuperStroke Ultra Slim
  • Pingman grip (Tiger Wood’s putter grip of choice)
  • Round Golf Pride Tour Velvet.

All of these grips were used on identical putters: SuperStroke Bruce Sizemore DCF-4 at 35” and 350 grams.

Each tester hit 10 putts with each grip.  Every stroke was captured by SAM Puttlab.  Testing was done at Club Champion, whom we thank for their help and support.

RESULTS

How To Understand The Numbers

Since this is the first Lab that we’ve done with SAM Puttlab, and most people are probably unfamiliar with the numbers presented, here’s a quick cheat sheet.

  • Consistency: An overall measure of how similar the stroke is from putt to putt.
  • Face Angle: The direction the putter face is pointing at impact.  “0” would be perfectly square to the target.  Any number is how many degrees right (R) or left (L) of the target the face was pointed.
  • Path: The path the putter is traveling on at impact.  Like face angle, “0” would be a path that is perfectly perpendicular to the target.  Any number represents degrees right (R) or left (L) of the target.
  • Loft: The loft of the putter at impact.  The putter we used had 4* of loft, so anything less than that indicates that the shaft was leaning forward at impact.

ANALYSIS

After breaking down over 150 pages of SAM Puttlab reports, I sent the results to Nick Sherburne, Club Champion’s Master Club Fitter and Club Builder, and Bruce Rearick, PGA Professional and putting genius (read more about Bruce HERE).  After discussing the data with both, here are the five things that stood out to me:

CONSISTENCY – RESULTS

As a group, the larger grips did win the Consistency battle. The SuperStroke Slim posted the highest overall consistency score (77.20%) and crushed the competition at path consistency.  The Ultra Slim scored highest for face angle consistency.  SuperStroke’s Fatso grip was a close second in overall consistency (77.00%) and also eked out a very narrow win in rotational consistency.  While some of the differences were not huge, it does appear that our testers made more consistent putting strokes with the larger grips.

LOFT – RESULTS

One of the major selling points of the big grips: no “flipping” the putter, thereby adding loft.  Did the theory hold up in practice?

We found that the Fatso grip did lower effective loft compared to the other putter grips, but the change was minimal (.18 compared to the Pingman grip).

Surprisingly, the grip that most dramatically lowered effective loft was the round grip; it allowed our testers to deliver .5* less loft than they did with the Fatso, and roughly .7* less than with any other grip.

FACE ANGLE – RESULTS

Going into this Lab, one of my hypotheses was that the large grips would slow rotation and lead to a more open face at impact.  I turned out to be dead wrong.  The putter face proved to be more closed with the larger grips (almost 1* closed with the Fatso).  How much does 1* matter?  1* is the difference between making a putt and missing at 10 feet.

The round grip allowed our testers to return the face closest to square: 0.1* closed, on average

PATH – RESULTS

The dramatic change in club path was the most shocking piece of data in this entire test.

Regardless of the size of the grip, traditional putter grips led our testers to have a club path of at least 2.24* to the left of the target.  Bruce explained the “why” behind this very simply (I’m paraphrasing): the flat part of the putter grip leads players to steer the club “straight” back.  The result of this “straight” backswing was a forward swing that cut across the ball to the left.

With the round grip, our test group’s club path was less than half a degree from square, an improvement of anywhere from 1.8* to 2.5* compared to the other grips tested.  Without the flat spot on the grip, our testers made a more natural, arced backswing which led to a squarer path through the ball.

PUTTS MADE – RESULTS

The simplest statistic, and the only one that really counts on the scorecard, is how many putts were actually made.  By this measure, the big grips, again, came out on top. Not every tester performed well with the big grips, but, as a group, the big grips showed themselves to be very easy to pick up and adapt to. The SuperStroke Slim led all the competition with a score of 86% putts made.  While the SuperStroke Fatso came in with a very respectable score of 74% putts made.

On the other hand, it makes sense that the round grip came in near the bottom in actual putts made: it was the only grip that significantly changed our testers’ swing path or face angle, the only grip that forced our players to adapt.  As the lone outlier in the group, its low number of putts made is unsurprising.

CONCLUSION

Though the larger grips did perform well in certain ways, they were far from a silver bullet.  From what we’ve seen in this Lab, there’s no doubt that the size and shape of your putter grip are important, and, just like we’ve seen with countless other things, no single grip will fit everyone.

If you’re serious about improving your putting, the first step is understanding your stroke.  There’s no better way to do that than with a qualified fitter or instructor who uses a SAM Puttlab (I would suggest Club Champion or Bruce Rearick).  From there, you can explore the impact that different grips can have on your game.

That said, we know most of you aren’t going to take lessons or get fit…at least that’s what the numbers tell us.  For you, we recommend the following:

  • If you want a quick pick-me-up that might help you make a few more putts this weekend, by all means try a big fat putter grip, BUT…
  • If you have a tendency to pull your putts, our data tells us you would be much better served by trying a round grip rather than a fatty.

Regardless of which route you take, please do one favor for me: if you’re at your local big box and the guy behind the counter tells you that jumbo grip will “take your hands out of the stroke,” please smarten ‘em up by sending them to the Lab.

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      Travis

      6 years ago

      Sooo… the round grip:

      Had a near 0 path
      Had a near 0 face angle
      Only 2% difference in consistency (negligible)

      And had the worst made putts?

      On the other side, all of the fatter grips had paths and face angles pointing significantly left by multiple degrees.

      Sounds like everyone needs a round grip and needs to learn to stop aiming way right and putting with a closed stroke to compensate. How could you argue with near 0 face angle and square path? Learn to aim and it would crush all the other grips.

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      Tom

      8 years ago

      What about distance control?

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      Tom Noel

      9 years ago

      I have tons of putters, All kinds, mallets, real blades, Scotty’s, Ping’s, Why? cause my putting sux! I shoot in the low 80’s and sometime the high 70’s. While on the putting green, my buddy and I had a similar discussion. He said what really matter is, if you like the look and feel of the putter. I agreed and went back to my good old 8802! Now I’m back to taking his money! He regrets that conversation. Go figure.

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      NORMAN

      9 years ago

      Wow! You were so tantalizingly close to the “truth”. Kidding. As usual, you’ve done exactly what we’ve all needed: Given us a science-based, unbiased, methodologically sound examination of, yet another critically important area of our sport. Thank you.

      My own personal experience, after much trial and error, is that the JumboMax round grip works far better for me than anything else I’ve tried. I’m a clubmaker and, trust me, I’ve tried them ALL at some point. I found early that I preferred round grips to any size or configuration of “conventional” putter grips. I prefer tapered to non-tapered; and larger/heavier to standard. I finally put the JumboMax grips on a couple of years ago, and haven’t looked back.

      BTW, I wear a large golf glove (when I wear one at all) and last year, I went with the JumboMax grips through the whole bag. So, maybe I just have an affinity for thick round golf grips. Your results may vary :-)

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      David Rosow

      9 years ago

      I’ make club addict and try everything that’s new or sounds like it can help. I went to the various SuperStroke grips and they did improve my putting results. HOWEVER I just went to the Switch Grip, despite that they have only one size, and I noticed immediately how well it fit in my hand. (BTW I wear a ML glove,). It feels natural and since I change putters constantly, having the ability to move my favorite color grip to another putter is a piece of cake. And I don’t work for Switc Grips so this isn’t a paid endorsement.

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      alan

      9 years ago

      i used several different jumbo grip over the last year and a half. my putting improved when i dropped to midsize. i used a karma midsise which is the least expensive grip i’ve ever used.

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      Chris

      10 years ago

      1. This seems like an aweful lot of puts for someone to take in a row and not get tired.
      2. Were the grips randomized for each participant? As in did all participants start with same putter and finish with same putter?
      3. Five people is not enough to conclude anything and have actual facts.
      4. Putts made is interesting but there is no way you would get a 20% difference unless something was conducted wrong or setup wrong.
      5. I have conducted similar tests with very different results using SAM Putt Lab and 3D mapping of joints and motion.

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      David West

      9 years ago

      Agree that the lack of statistical data presented impairs any ability to analyze. Just listing percentages and stating the the first ranked putter is the best in no way means the result is significant or that grip is “the best.”

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      Scott

      10 years ago

      If the mid sized round is best can you flop a flat top grip around 90 or 180 degrees and get a similar result? I am so close to getting a Salty grip I can taste the beach air on my tongue.
      Whaddya think?

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      NORMAN

      9 years ago

      Hi.
      I’m a clubmaker who LOVES the Salty grips. I’ve made, sold (and kept) a few putters with hickory shafts, brass heads, and Salty grips: Beautiful works of art, all! But I have 2 problems with the Salty grips – neither of which has to do with the excellent feel I get when I use them to putt.
      1. The clubs are so beautiful and the installation of the Salty grips requires so much care that I found that I was loath to take my creations into the tough hard golf course environment more than a few times. They live at home in my man-cave.
      2. I actually use my putter for near-full swings to advance my golf ball from low-hanging trouble and other escape scenarios. I could never summon the courage to attempt those shots with Salty grips – they’re simply not designed for that kind of abuse.

      Having said all that, the Salty hand feel is very much like that of a truly luxurious round jumbo grip: WONDERFUL! Further, if you’re one of those golfer who wants more head-feel without adding overall weight, it’s hard to go wrong with the Salty Grips. Just be sure to get a pro to install it. It can get to be quite an expensive undertaking if you mess up the install, yourself.

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      Eye4Golf

      8 years ago

      What made the Salty grips so difficult? All the lightweight grips with the inner sleeve need a lot of solvent so it slides easier, that’s what I have found

      GD

      11 years ago

      This is a great test – I changed 2 of my putters to the round grip. 1 putter that I couldn’t hit the side of a barn with = heavy pull and my gamer which was more accurate but required me to change my grip and ball position and eye placement. The “pull” putter became much more accurate with the grip, ball position, etc that I prefer; gamer: accuracy increased with grip etc that I prefer.

      Thank you for your “outside the box” work!

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      lou

      12 years ago

      Interestingly before I read this article a month or two ago and in a fit of rage at the USGA (I have been putting with a long putter for 25 years because I couldn’t make a 3-4 foot putt consistently with a short putter. I am a low single digit handicap at age 71) I decided to prove that I would lead a miserable lifein the future if I went back to a short putter. Several years ago I bought a Rife putter off the used putter rack for my wife at Golf Galaxy and it had a fatso grip on it. Much to my surprise the first four rounds I played with it I shot 74,72,70,74 and putted the lights out. Never putted better and I have cnntinued to putt really well with it. Luck? New putter effect? Maybe but I don’t think so. Nice to have some confirmation of my very positive gut reaction to the big grip.

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      William

      12 years ago

      I found these results really surprising. When I tried the bigger grips I felt like I had no control over the putter. With the longer putts I felt like I couldnt judge the distance and felt out of control on the short putts.

      I think I will have to try it again for longer as it could just need an adjustment period.

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      Mike

      12 years ago

      Your web site doesn’t seem to like Excel spredsheets so I cannot upload any of my data. Sorry.

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      Tony

      12 years ago

      I am using a superstroke fatso and feel more comfortable and confident with it. My other putter has a feeltec grip which is smaller than my fatso and I feel also confident with it. I have better feel with my fatso though. Thanks for the study.

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      Tony Wright

      12 years ago

      Thank you for doing this study it promotes some good discussion. Congrats on not being afraid to put this data forward!

      I would not say the measured differences in overall consistency are not large enough to be significant.

      Personally I think all golfers should try round putter grips – but even though round grips seem better for path and loft, there are so many things not being controlled in strokes – particularly are shoulders square by the same amount at address – that it is difficult to ensure that these differences are meaningful.

      Most interesting possibly significant differences are in path and putts made.

      Question – did you ensure all of the grips with flat sides were on absolutely square?

      I am enjoying all of the comments!

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      Tony Wright

      12 years ago

      Oops sorry! Meant to say that differences in consistency numbers are not large enough to be significant.

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      Glen Coombe

      12 years ago

      Guys, great test BUT…. The NZ distributor of SAM PuttLab (linked above) won’t be able to help your American readers. Science & Motion Sports, GmbH http://scienceandmotion.com is based in Germany and is the direct distributor for the USA/Canada. As the eastern USA rep I would be happy to help any and all who might be interested in SAM PuttLab.
      Keep up the good work.

      Glen Coombe
      The Putting Doctor
      http://puttingdoctor.net

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      Norman

      12 years ago

      Thanks for doing this test – I’ve long wondered what the science would indicate. As a clubfitter/club maker, I promise you that PREFERENCE plays a huge role with putter and grips. And putter grip preferences are as personal (and varied) as underwear. There is no convincing most golfers that anything but what they prefer will garner satisfactory results.
      Having said that, personally, I prefer a jumbo round grip on MY putters and I know that I putt much better that way. Until now, I’ve had difficulty understanding why more golfers don’t go with it.

      Great article! Keep the ‘Myth-busting’ coming.

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      Mike

      12 years ago

      Tomorrow I’ll show you some random data Matt!

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      Mike

      12 years ago

      No, that is true about not guaranteeing that the hips, shoulders and head are in alignment, but it gives a good foundation to start with.

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      GolfSpy Matt

      12 years ago

      In response to Mike (apparently the limit on replies was reached):

      Some questions and comments:

      What has your testing consisted of? What are you measuring? How?
      When you say there’s no correlation between “putt matt” results and outdoor results, what do you mean? This seems very different from your earlier statement that practicing on a putting mat achieves nothing.
      You say that “large grips…work well for people with large hands and as a counterweight for heads that are too heavy.” Based on what? What defines “works well”?
      How is “feel putting” distinct from SBST and arc style?
      What do you mean when you say using a mat is ok to “work on the stroke, not the results”? Obviously there are components to putting outside of the stroke (green reading & aim), but I’m still not sure what this comment means.
      How do you suggest golfers “find out what kind of putting stroke they have”? What should they do with this information?

      It seems to me that when you say putters that perform well on a mat don’t perform well on the course, you’re indicated that those are putters you aim poorly (aim being less of an issue on a mat when you’re hitting the same putt over and over). Agree or disagree?

      All putts roll straight (excepting break), whether the line goes end over end or not.

      I appreciate that you want to protect your research since you’re trying to sell it, but you have to understand that from my perspective simply saying “I have the research!” doesn’t entitle you to credibility.

      Best,

      Matt

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      Mike

      12 years ago

      The research was done very meticulously and I cannot devulge more, sorry. I will say this, 2mats of different speed were used indoors initially, and I noticed with quite some consternation that when I took these putters outdoors and used them during a round of golf, I couldn’t achieve the same results! So I started using both methods on clubs I had and acquired from then on and not one was as good or bad as indoor testing indicated. I have complete records of all the putters used to date with data on putts made, misses to the right, misses to the left and sink percentages among others. I tried to use outdoor putting greens to further my research but found it hard to find places that would allow me to do so. The answer was to use putters during rounds of golf (one putter for one round) to get the truest picture of their capabilities. After each round, I made entries in a journal as what occured on the putting greens that day. I kept track of one putts, three putts, total putts, and ease of use. To elliminate variable such as an uncommonly good round on my part, I tried to use the same putter for at least 5 to 10 rounds. In an earlier post I mentioned the honeymoon effect… when we get something new (not necessarily only in golf), we tend to overlook small problems and focus on that one thing it does well. We havn’t noticed any foibles yet so we tend to be more relaxed when we use it. After awhile we start to notice that it does this or that and start to try to correct a perceived shortcomming throwing both our stroke and results to, well you know where I’m going with this. The club that suits our native stroke the best will not need this stroke adaptation, therefore will be much better long term.I, personally have had 4 or 5 putters like this that I have kept. Basically what started out as a curiosity, turned into a full blown obsession on my part. The indoor sessions’ data kept were as follows… I took 10 different golf balls (always new ones) and hit all ten 5 times for a total of 50 putts. This was considered a “round”. I tried to get at least 10 “rounds” for each putter in all. Not all tested were able to get all 10 rounds, but that is noted in my results data. I kept track of how many putts were made for each 10 hits and totals were added to get a percentage of putts made. Also kept were how many times putts weremade per 10 groupings such as:all were made, nine of ten, eight of ten, etc. This was done as much as possible on both putting surfaces I had to try to determine if a particular club was more suited for a medium fast green or a very fast green. I also kept notes of my impressions of each putter along the way. I carefully catalogued each putter’s physical specifications and added a few of my own that was thought to be relevent but wasn’t specified by the manufacturers. I also verified each spec independantly for accuracy. I was a machinist by trade before I suffered a repetitive injury and was retrained for Human Resources Management. I have ISO 9001 training and have a fairly good understanding of how to keep proper data. I have recently slowed down the testing since I’m not getting any younger! All told, I must have stroked close to 200,000 putts in my life… OW! (lol)

      That’s all for now,

      Thanks,

      Mike

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      Golfer Burnz

      12 years ago

      Something that popped into my mind when Mike brought up putting mats. I would believe that when putting on mats or carpet, you would always have your feet in a level position, and a constant, consistent texture under your feet. When out on the course, I would think you’d have something different for almost every putt. I know this article is about grips, but it brought up a lot of interesting questions.

      I’d love to hear Mike’s list of top 10 putter performers.

      Mike

      12 years ago

      Golfer Burnz is onto something here. That is one of a few other reasons including that if you align your feet with the mat, you automatically have a square alignment.

      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      If you align your feet with the mat, you will have your feet square to the target. It is no guarantee of square shoulders, hips, or putter face.

      -Matt

      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      Mike,

      So, my takeaway from this post is that your research consists of you hitting a lot of putts, on mats and grass, with lots of putters. Was anyone else involved in this?

      Still a lot of unanswered questions.

      Please understand that I’m not trying to pick on you, but when you make a lot of bold, “factual” claims, you should expect to be scrutinized, especially in the context of an article like this Lab that presents actual data.

      Best,

      Matt

      Mike

      12 years ago

      I understand and appreciate the interest. I was the only one doing the testing, which limits somewhat the results to golfers who may have a similar putting stroke, but I have applied some of my research to helping out a few friends with their putting, and on average, their putting has improved by 1.26 fewer putts per round.

      Mike

      12 years ago

      To follow up on Matt’s response, yes aiming is the one thing that is harder to practice on a parallel putting surface. I have also found that after only about 75 to 100 putts the mat “forms” to the proper line. Let me explain: the continued rolloing of the ball on the surface creates, over time, a tiny groove or river to the hole. The materials used on most mats flatten and form a channel. This is imperceptable to the eye but can be verified by hitting some putts just slightly adjacent to the area most hit from usually and you’ll find some of these putts find the groove and roll into the hole. I agree with you Matt, that once you’re on the course, the best thing to do is to forget all the mechanics and variables and just stroke the putt (or hit the ball, for that matter). You may want to keep track of how many more or less straight putts end up missing left or right of the hole to determine if perhaps your putter may need slightly more toe hang or less. That should be looked at after the round.
      When you are out on the golf course, it’s time to trust what you have practiced on and just do it, to quote Nike. Enjoy the game when you are playing it… do all analysis after the round. It might extend the enjoyment of that last outing even more! The last thing I advocate is “analysis paralysis”. The best rounds played are those when everything in your life is right and all you are thinking about is how much you love this game! I have seen people with really stange swing hit the ball over 250 yards just because they can repeatably hit the sweet spot. Same thing for putting to a lesser degree. Over the years I have sometimes thought that golf is half skil, half practice and half voodoo… yes, I know, it doesn’t add up (just like the game sometimes)!

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      Golfer Burnz

      12 years ago

      So many things to consider. Are we making putting too complicated?

      Putter head design, putter head material, loft, lie, head weight, butt end counter weight, shaft length length, grip shape, grip size, grip color, stroke path. etc. etc.

      At what point does it become a flat surface strikes round ball at proper speed on a directional line towards cup? I guess, after you are all dialed in with the extraneous variables?

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      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      I look at golf (full swing, putting, etc) like anything else: there will be some people who need or want to know how and why things work, and there are others who just like to play. Obviously I’m one of the former. My belief is that if I know how it works and why it works, I’m better equipped to fix it. If you don’t understand how it works, how do you know what to do when things go sideways?

      Analogy: I know enough plumbing to understand how a toilet works. When my toilet started running, I can figure out what’s wrong with it, buy the right part, and fix it. My wife is not interested in learning how the toilet works. When a toilet starts running, she can A) ignore it and hope it stops B) jiggle the handle or C) pay someone to fix it. To me, those are not great options.

      As for “extraneous” variables, I think that’s a poor word choice. Just look at our data above and see how much the grip can impact a putt. Weight, offset, and all the other factors can be equally impactful (and I look forward to proving that in future Labs).

      I don’t think anyone here is suggesting that fitting is a substitute for practice, technique, or experience, but as we’ve said many times about every club in the bag: the club can work with you or against you. This game is hard enough as it is, I don’t need to fight the club, too.

      Best,

      Matt

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      Golfer Burnz

      12 years ago

      Fair and knowledgable answer and I appreciate the response. I may not be as versed as some in the mechanics of a putting stroke, but I do have a decenst understanding. I understand that 2 putts is better than 3. Is possible that we can over do some of the “try this”? Kind of like overthinking a putt. Some of the best putting I’ve ever seen was done with a blacked out Pingman grip ala young Tiger Woods. Would he even have putted better with a different grip?

      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      Burnz,

      “Is it possible we can over do some of the ‘try this’?”

      YES! That’s why virtually every article we write promotes being fit. Being fit (assuming it’s done correctly) is the antithesis of “try this:” it helps you find the best piece of equipment for your game so you can go play and stop trying different things.

      Best,

      Matt

      David W

      12 years ago

      As with just about anything in golf, confidence is a big part of choosing a putter grip. If I don’t think I have the correct grip then I won’t make a good stroke. I myself use the Superstroke superslim but intend to try the new size as I used to use the over sized Tiger grip but it was too large and the superslim is just a little too small (for my confidence of the fell in my hands). One thing I can tell you is that due to the shape of the grip be sure your superstroke is perfectly straight on the club. My first one was off just a little and caused me to putt with an open face and I thought I was pushing everything. A buddy noticed that I was lining up the face slightly open and mentioned it to me. I regripped the putter and straightened out the grip and it made a big difference.

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      Biggi

      12 years ago

      Did the the round grip have the same effect with left hand low putting style?

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      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      Great question. We actually had testers representing left hand low, traditional, and even a tester who putted with an even-handed/prayer style. The changes were pretty consistent across putting styles.

      Best,

      Matt

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      Will Par

      12 years ago

      The percentage of putts made in this test is considerably higher than even the best touring pros make from ten feet in real conditions. Even on a flat indoor putting surface, I wouldn’t expect the percentages to be this high unless there are other factors involved than just the skill of the testers. Yes all testers were putting on the same surface, but I’m thinking a lot of those putts found a trail to the hole. I think the validity of the putts made percentages should be questioned and perhaps totally discounted. If you have a SAM Puttlab session, does the stroke analysis include any consideration for percentage of putts made?

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      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      Will,

      Let me start with the easy one: Puttlab knows nothing about the ball going in the hole.

      On to the bigger half: I hear what you’re saying about tour pro percentages, but you’re talking about guys playing on variables greens, with wind, for a load of money, versus guys indoors, playing for nothing, hitting the same putt over and over. While I’m certainly not dismissing the idea that the green at Club Champion could have some kind of “trail,” my opinion based on watching all these putts being hit is that it was more a result of decent putters getting in a groove (or not, as was the case with some of the grips).

      You do raise a point that X and I argued about at length when editing this article. My initial draft did not include putts made because I didn’t think it was relevant given that we had SAM Puttlab data. Why include a stat that brings in outside influences like aim, where the ball is placed to start, etc? X argued that Putts Made is all most people care about. Ultimately, Putts Made went into the article, and, as many other commenters have referenced, you can do with the data what you please. I certainly have my opinions about what parts of the data are compelling and useful, but you know what they say: opinions are like..ummm…armpits…everyone’s got them and they stink.

      Best,

      Matt

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      Will Par

      12 years ago

      I agree the lab report is better with the putts made percentage included. I’m always trying to smooth the trails out of my carpet, so that influenced my comment. I have a round grip on my putter and I’ll be trying it out today.

      mygolfspy

      12 years ago

      Will,

      Appreciate you taking time to comment on the “Lab” article. I hope it was useful for you in some way.

      Regarding the data, Matt and I have different beliefs and opinions on what data is useful to the reader. But ultimately at the end of the day in my opinion it’s about getting the ball in the hole when it comes to putting.

      And when it comes to putting, I have listened to just about every “Self Procliaimed” guru on the topic…and spoken with quite a few of the guys teaching the tour guys on how to putt. And even those guys will say that really what it boils down to is confidence and consistency no matter what your stroke looks like. And they tell me this almost right after telling pros their complicated personal theories on how they are going to improve their putting. But that has more to do with them being a personal psychiatrist for the player and less to do with facts on how to improve an individuals putting.

      So with that being said when it comes to putting and my career experience I believe in two things: Consistency & Making Putts.

      Regarding “path”, I don’t care if one grip leads you to have a more “natural” arced backswing, once again all I think matters is being consistent with your path no matter how screwed up it might appear on a SAM Puttlab.

      And after looking at all the data that was compiled for many hours I determined that much of this data while interesting and cool to look at would ultimately have led to more confusion than clarity for the reader.

      And one of the ultimate goals of the “Labs” type articles, is to be able to marry useful information and enough data at the same time to where the largest % of our readers can not only digest the information but also applicable to their games.

      Ultimately we would love to publish ALL the data but unfortunately no one would read it and then the “Labs” type articles would be a waste for all involved.

      Hope this helps you understand how and why some things might get omitted in these types of articles.

      Three Guys Golf

      12 years ago

      I am not typically a gear head, but I love this stuff. It goes to my belief in numbers. Whether it is politics or golf, numbers don’t lie but they are often ignored. Just from a common sense point of view, I can see why I need to move to a round grip on my putter…calling Salty Grips…

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      Frank

      12 years ago

      Love it guys! I actually contacted Bruce but haven’t went full bore yet. As or the grip and putter detail I just have to say I and ethe switch tot he ultra slim and things could be better

      Great job as always

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      Barbajo

      12 years ago

      2 percentage points difference in consistency to me seems fairly minor, but an 18 percentage point difference in putts made? It’s an attention-getter, to say the least. And as always, I appreciate that your reviews are never meant to be “definitive,” but you take a look at a product, a concept or a school of thought and see what’s behind the curtain. We’re grown-ups, we can infer what we wish.

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      jmiller065

      12 years ago

      Well, as usual it was well written and an interesting topic. I think what I take away from this just with what I read is that the best way to make more putts is to be fitted for a putter including the grip type.

      I know as well as anyone that has worked with Bruce (Burnt Edges Consulting) no two players use the same stroke or need the same putter specifications. I would say that the statement “only the round was the one that made people adapt” is probably false because of the standard 35″ @ 350g it would change perception for everyone that plays at a lower length that didn’t choke down on the club. With the reverse tapper choking down sort of kills the design of the grip, and for normal tapers it reduces the size of the grip (without buildup tape under the lower portion of the grip). For me my perception of the line dictates my posture, which in turn dictates my putter length, amount of arc in the stroke, and the style of head that would work best for my posture / arc. I have come to find the 33″ 350g head SC NP2 (full shaft offset w/ toe hang) works really well for ME. It probably won’t work for everyone out there and it shouldn’t having learned from Bruce. Anyways, I think that the grip was not isolated enough in the testing. If it was possible to use a fitted putter to each tester and re-grip their putters over a longer time frame and more putts per grip. Say 1 grip a week and 50 putts per grip per tester. Might have shown a bit different picture as an end result.

      I expected the round grip to be all over the place, when I tried a round grip i would over rotate the hands through impact and slam the head closed pulling putts bad enough to miss 3 footers. I ended up going back to a flat sided grip and learned how to use one more effectively, but it’s a standard sized Lamkin Paddle, nothing huge at all.

      The best thing people can do is JUST GET FIT for a putter, grip, style, length, etc.

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      Jeff

      12 years ago

      Thanks for the review, I was on the fence about trying giving the superstroke slim grip a try. This exactly what I was looking for to get me over the fence.

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      Adam Gary

      12 years ago

      I’m confused….how did the round grip have better face angle and path numbers yet not make the most putts? How does that work? Guys leaving the putt short? What handicap golfers were the test subjects?

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      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      Adam,

      That made me scratch my head at first, too. There are a number of things that it speaks to:

      1) Most importantly, it shows that you don’t need a “perfect” stroke to make putts. There are lots of good putters with “bad” numbers.
      2) The numbers are averages, so, in theory, someone could hit putts with a face 5* open then 5* closed and average 0*, dead square. The consistency score would be terrible, but the face angle would look good. I’m not suggesting that happened with any of these grips on that dramatic of a scale, but it’s part of it.
      3) The round grip was a very big (and jarring) adjustment for some of the players. We had a graphic that ended up on the cutting room floor that showed one tester changing his path 6* or 7* to the right. This made his numbers look a lot better, but the change was too big for him to make any putts in the short term. This big change also impacted speed control, as you mentioned.

      There’s probably something else that I’m going to remember at 2AM, but for now I think that covers it.

      As for the handicaps of the golfers, there was a +1, two guys near scratch, a mid-singe digit, and a 13.

      Best,

      Matt

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      golfer4life

      12 years ago

      Glad you asked. I was thinking the same thing and racking my brain on what I was missing. Best I can figure is that aim had a lot to do with it. Great article again.

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      Mike

      12 years ago

      I have to say that this article is probably the worst one from you guys! 10 putts are too low a sampling rate to be statistically significant and doesn’t even come close to eliminating the honeymoon effect of a new putter. Did the putter head chosen fit all golfers? What kind of stroke do these golfers have? If it’s an arching stroke, the fat grips are useless! I have tried and tested nearly two hundred putters in my life and found that indoor putting matts do not come close to the performance of an outdoor round in determining the effectiveness of a putter. It takes at least 5 to 10 rounds to see if it’s the right fit for your stroke with continued improvement (if any) throughout the year. So people who practice their putting indoors are not achieving anything. This is one club, at the very least, that requires real grass to figure out.

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      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      Mike,

      Let me try to answer you concerns one at a time:

      1) “10 putts are too (few)” I don’t disagree. We would have liked to have done 20, 30, 50, but at some point reality dictates what can and can’t be done. Club Champion was generous enough to turn over their entire putter fitting studio (and a Master Fitter) to us for 3 hours on a Saturday. Readers gave up their free time to show up and help us test. Should I have told Club Champion and our readers they had to give us the entire day? We don’t proclaim what we’re doing to be perfect; nothing is. We’re doing the best we can with the resources available to us.

      2) “The honeymoon effect of a new putter” Not sure what you’re saying here. All the putters and grips were new to each tester.

      3) “Did the putter head chosen fit all golfers?” No, the putter design was a constant. It was chosen because it’s a common, middle-of-the-road design. Also, this was already addressed in the first two comments above.

      4) “If it’s an arching stroke, the fat grips are useless!” This is the kind of “common knowledge” nonsense that MGS Labs are designed to eliminate…unless of course you have some data to validate your exclamation? Moreover, what defines an “arching” stroke? Every stroke has some “arch” to it. Finally, based on the number of putts made, I think you’d be hard pressed to say that big grips are “useless.”

      5) “Indoor putting (mats) do not come close to the performance of an outdoor round…/people who practice their putting indoors are not achieving anything.” Ok, now you’re really off the rails. First of all, the data we were most interested in came from the SAM Puttlab. We could have been rolling the ball across barbed wire and the Puttlab would not care because it’s only measuring the putter. Second, are you really going to take the position that you can’t achieve anything from putting indoors? Let’s ignore the thousands of golfers who do so, but what about the hundreds (thousands?) of teaching professionals who teach in indoor studios and, more importantly, the guys who play professionally who practice indoors? They’re all wasting their time? Really?

      Again, I’m not claiming this was a perfect study. I’ve never claimed my work to be perfect, and I doubt I ever will. I wanted more putts, more testers, more putters, more grips, but at the end of the day, I did the best I could with what I had and I think the results are interesting. If you agree, great, I hope you learned something or got an idea that might help you. If not, that’s ok, too, no one is forcing you to read it.

      Best,

      Matt

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      Mike

      12 years ago

      I have a 3 inch binder full of statistics that says otherwise!

      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      Mike,

      What is that in response to? Statistics from where? About what?

      Best,

      Matt

      Mike

      12 years ago

      I have been testing putters for nearly 20 years and have found that there is no corralation between putt matt results and outdoor results. As far as large grips are concerned, they work well for people with large hands and as a counterweight for putters with heads that are too heavy. They do, however rob feel from the equation. In my opinion there are three types of putting styles… Straight back and straight through, arc style, and feel putting (which can be used with either stroke). All results that I am talking about were generated by me over an 18 year period involving 198 new and old putters. Putters that ended up in the top ten on a putting matt indoors were poor performers during multiple rounds of golf. When someone putts on a matt, they repeat the same stroke form the same location and distance from generally a parallel shaped matt, which helps tremendously with alignment! How many putts do you hit that are straight, 9 – 10 feet away, with no wind, on perfect grass conditions, during a round?
      Now I’m not poo-pooing the use of a matt for practice, as long as it’s used to work on the stroke, not the results. Make sure the ball rolls straight, with no sidespin (which can easily be seen with a ball that has been marked with circumferential lines with a marker. This is often refered to as an end over end roll. Also, to help with the “yips”, a heavy weight putter can be used outtdoors for 10 to 20 rounds to help restore a proper stroke and momentum, which should be stored for the next time you need help. Unfortunately, a heavy putter is not appropriate for speed control as the momentum caused by the heavy weight and the large grip that reduces feel makes it problematic.
      My advice to all golfers is to find out what kind of putting stroke they have, and a lot of them will be shocked! Find the appropriate clubhead design and amount of toe hang they require. Putter fitting is in its infancy, but is a good way to go (as is, of course, club fitting). I cannot devulge more of my research due to the fact that it is available for sale to any OEM that wants it!

      Happy golfing!

      Brian

      12 years ago

      20% more putts made with Slim vs Pingman….that’s an interesting and compelling number 4 sure.

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      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      Brian,

      Thank you for the compliment. The Pingman did do quite poorly…hard to say why.

      To me, the most compelling numbers are the dramatic differences in loft, path, and face angle that the round grip created. All the “flat” grips were fairly similar, but the round grip really stood out.

      Best,

      Matt

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      Brian

      12 years ago

      Enjoyed the article. You guys do a great job drilling down on the real stats and letting folks go from there.

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      Will Par

      12 years ago

      I already have a strong inclination to experiment with my game. These reviews always give me new ideas for things I want to try. I’m not a fan of big grips, but I am going to put a round grip on one of my putters to see how it works.

      I do have one question. What is the distance of the test putts recorded above? I’m assuming they were made on an artificial surface inside instead of outside on a grass putting green.

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      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      The putts were 10 feet on an indoor putting surface.

      Best,

      Matt

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      rookieblue7

      12 years ago

      Curious how the numbers would’ve skewed with the new Mid-Slim 2.0 thrown in. It’s between the slim and ultra slim and is the Goldilocks of the family (this ones too big, this ones too small, this ones just right). I know the slim was slightly too large for me and the Ultra was too small but that MidSlim is a slam dunk for me. And to top it off, the guys at SuperStroke are some of the nicest in the biz.

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      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      If you look at the face angle, loft, and path numbers, you’ll see that all the “flat” grips were quite similar. The only real standout was the round grip. Certainly some people may find the 2.0 to be a happy medium between the slim and fatso, but there’s nothing in our data that indicates to me that it would have done anything unique.

      Best,

      Matt

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      Ice

      12 years ago

      How about trying it where each tester hits ten putts with their own putter then ten with each grip all on their own putter to see how it improves putts made?

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      GolfSpy Dave

      12 years ago

      Are you saying that they should regrip a putter 5 times per tester? This is not necessary for the data in the lab to be valid. By having the putter be consistent through out the test with the only the grip changing, Matt has set up an experiment with one variable. Does the putter used match the person’s specs? Maybe not, but their lack of matching becomes a constant as it occurs in all tests (i.e. with all grips), and is then not a variable.

      Now if an individual wants to figure out what grip is right for him or her, then re-gripping the gamer is a great idea and would give the individual the best data. This lab is more about looking for general trends that the individual can then apply to his or her game.

      Reply

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