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Scrambles Have Been Ruined By Cheaters

I need to preface this with multiple disclaimers.

Any form of golf is a positive. Any form of golf alongside family and friends is positive.

And if we’re all coming together to play in a tournament where the primary objective is to raise money for charity while having some fun along the way, that is even more of a positive.

What I’m about to describe is a first-world problem inception. It’s a first-world problem nesting doll, and I’m doubtful there is any real “solution” to the “problem” I have. The fact I’m complaining about it is ridiculous.

Even so, I have to say it:

Scrambles have gotten out of control.

If you’ve participated in a golf outing, you know the drill of being on a four-person team. Everyone hits, you select the best of the bunch and then repeat the process until the ball is holed.

The scramble (or captain’s choice or whatever other name you want to call it) is designed to be friendly for all levels. Even four 20-handicaps can scrape together a decent score in a scramble. Even the worst golfer can accidentally contribute now and then. It keeps everyone involved. There is usually no need to look for stray golf balls. Nobody is taking a snowman as they stick-handle back and forth across the green.

A scramble, on the surface, is fun—until organizers and participants make a friendly competition into an event where no shot matters.

See, the joy of a scramble is that it’s unserious competition. The result doesn’t matter, but you still get to go through the process of competing as if it does.

You sit around with your teammates the night before, drinking a few beers and wondering what you will need to shoot for a chance to win. You discuss strategy—choosing the batting order, reading greens and debating which shots to take—as a unit. You look up where your group stands in the live scoring.

If everyone was playing by the rules, that would be exciting. It’s like a pseudo tournament for people who will, in all likelihood, never play a real golf tournament.

But two things have happened to ruin (I’m being dramatic but stay with me) that experience.

Organizers started implementing more and more ridiculous paths to get people to donate. Unlimited mulligans. Asking for $20 so a player can shoot a cannon on a par-4 and automatically write down an ace on your scorecard—but only if everyone in the group pays. Asking for $30 a pop to give groups a 10-foot string so any putt inside of that string counts as a made putt.

If it’s something that is reasonable and even among all teams—like each person gets one mulligan—then that is fine. But organizers started going well beyond your typical raffle donation, trying to lure golfers into buying a lower score.

And those golfers are the true culprits of why scrambles have been sullied. Those golfers are cheating their faces off and doing so with no shame.

Last week, I got a text from a friend: “Just finished a scramble I play in every year. The lowest score ever shot in 20 years of the tournament is a 55. A foursome of guys wearing cargo shorts just came in with a 46.”

That’s 26-under! And according to my friend, there were no “gimmick holes” throughout the round to artificially lower their score.

A week prior, I played in a four-man scramble. Our group played fairly well and shot 11-under 61 on a difficult course. We left a couple shots out there but also made a couple of birdies on difficult holes.

That put us in a logjam near the top—except for one group, which strolled in with a 52. When the foursome was presented with the trophy, the tournament organizer made a point to say that the team had never finished in the top 10 of this event but had substituted one of their guys for a “real golfer” who supposedly helped them shoot 20-under.

There were no mulligans, no other gimmicks. Two of the par-3s were beyond 190 yards. Shooting that score requires almost perfect golf.

Apparently these kind of experiences are commonplace, because social media is brimming with examples of teams clearly “naming their number” to get pro shop credit and 10 seconds of applause.

Recently, the X (Twitter) account @svcigar posted the leaderboard of the Greater Salem Contractors Scramble in New England. The winning team came in with a 28-under 44 to win by 10 shots.

And then I saw another video where a foursome, which apparently had three scratch golfers, was beaten by 11 strokes when this team showed up with a 48.

A few hours later, I spotted a Reddit post by the user rainbow_rave, which featured a photo of a scramble leaderboard where a group shot 40 with two aces. That is a 40 for 18 holes. That is two holes-in-one.

Am I taking crazy pills here?

But what really warmed my heart was a moment of sweet justice. Or maybe it was staged—who really knows at this point with the Internet.

Another Reddit user, creepy_panic6793, posted a video of an outing where multiple scramble teams had to compete in a playoff. Teams that tied at 10-under had to go out to the course in front of everyone, where they proved they clearly could not have shot that score.

I could go on for another 2,000 words citing examples, but I think you get the point. Scrambles are teeming with blatant cheaters, and it’s ruining the experience for everyone else.

Here’s what should happen: Every scramble should take the top three teams and make them all hit in front of the whole outing. Just play one hole. If it’s still tied, go to a chipping contest and then get on with the raffle, lunch and award ceremony.

We need to really shame these people. You want to write down 46 on your scorecard? You are now entered into a three-group playoff with everyone watching. All 12 players have to hit. Go prove you are capable of shooting the score you shot.

Organizers can help, too. If you want to raise more money, get more raffle items. Or—and I know this is a radical idea—just ask everyone to donate without tying it to a tournament-related gimmick.

I’m also waiting for the day when scramble formats are modified into a Chapman. That’s where the best tee shot is selected and then it’s alternate shot from that point. If player A hits a tee shot that gets selected, player B hits the next shot, then player C, then player D.

Personally, I think this would be way more interesting. Everyone gets to hit meaningful shots, and one player can’t do all of the work.

Here’s what will happen: Nothing. Cheaters will continue to win scrambles until the end of time. Pretty soon we will be seeing Kim Jong Il-esque scores in the 30s win scrambles.

Does any of this really matter in the grand scheme of things? Absolutely not. It’s beyond a privilege to put up a protest because charity golf outings are unfair.

I’m just hoping we can level the playing field so we all enjoy it.

Golf is supposed to be fun, and that includes getting to play in charity tournaments without people cheating.

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Sean Fairholm

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Sean Fairholm

Sean is a longtime golf journalist and underachieving 8 handicap who enjoys the game in all forms. If he didn't have an official career writing about golf, Sean would spend most of his free time writing about it anyway. When he isn't playing golf, you can find Sean watching his beloved Florida Panthers hockey team, traveling to a national park or listening to music on his record player. He lives in Nashville with his wife and dog (of course the dog's name is Hogan).

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      Tollie Mitchell

      2 months ago

      How to have a cheat-proof golf scramble.
      Advertise this in advance.
      1. Interview the winning foursome by dividing them into two twosomes.
      2. Have each twosome describe in detail a late eagle or birdie they made. Takes 5 minutes.
      3. The two stories must match up or they are disqualified.
      You’re welcome. :)

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      Blair Smith

      9 months ago

      Have played a few variations over the years. In one 2 players teed off and the other 2 putted with all involved for in between shots. The 2 players changed each hole based on a pattern set on the card (ie A&B teed off on 1, A&C teed off on 2, B&D teed off on 3 etc and on each hole if you didnt tee off then you putted. Certainly put more pressure on each player.
      But best way I have played these is 3 man teams where all 3 tee off but if your shot is taken then the other 2 only play the next shot. So after the tee shot only 2 playing each time. And you play with another 3 so you have someone to mark your card and also to compete against as you go.
      Hardest part otherwise is how to determine how to calculate a handicap for a team!

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      Jack

      9 months ago

      I played in a big charity scramble two years ago. They had a volunteer on every hole to witness shots, CTPs, long drives. Verified scores with each team at the end of the hole. Worked great.

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      Clive Pettis, Sr

      10 months ago

      Here’s an idea to solve the cheating problem of the 4 man captain choice tournament. Start the groups two teams per hole and all eight guys hit off the tee box and then all eight guys play the best second shot and then third shot until the ball is holed. There is only one score card for the both teams starting on the same hole. The worst score a team can get on each hole is Par. If a team is not putting or chipping for Birdie or Eagle they can just pick up their ball. This will keep the pace of play. This has worked before and it doesn’t take long. Everyone who will complain that this will be a six hour round is a cheater. Problem solved.

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      TurtleHacker

      9 months ago

      I like this idea, but a caveat; There needs to be a blind draw for drawing competitors to play together. May sure no one is playing along side a “buddy” team where they can come in first and second.

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      Peejer

      11 months ago

      If tournaments have “string”, miracle putts and as many mulligans as you can buy – forget it. I’m all about raising money, but lets do it with raffles or something similar. Also – the ‘if everyone donates $100, you automatically get a zero on the hole’ is complete BS.
      As for the cheating, only way to curb it is to have two foursome’s tee off together and you keep each other’s score. It takes the same amount of time as an “A” team and “B” team on a hole.

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      Larry Piotrowicz

      10 months ago

      I agree that this is a good idea, and you’d think it would work. However, I’ve played in a couple scrambles played with 2 groups on each hole with 6 of the 8 players being very good golfers. It did solve the cheating issue (winning score was about 13 under by a group that “played their asses off”) but it took 6 hours to play, with no good reason, I might add.

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      Rich B

      11 months ago

      Used to work with a few non profits on organizing high end “friend” as well as fund raising scrambles. Now that I’ve put in my time and the events have annual momentum, I’ve backed out of the organization process. The time required to play and stupidity of the cheating makes me write a check and slip the golf these days. One of the things we incorporated into the process was minimizing the incentive to cheat so much.
      I’ve had a relationship with Golftec for quite a while and used to get them to donate lesson plans and evaluations for prizes. So we switched around the value of the prizes. Teams that finished last would get the $1,200 golftec prizes and the teams that finished first got to split a dozen pro V-s. Expensive stuff went into raffles and auctions. Cheap stuff went to Long drives and contests. Bottom line is that it’s all about helping the organization and having fun.

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      Mike E

      11 months ago

      We won a scramble in May this year with a good group of guys, we shot 58 and beat 2 teams at 59. The only gimmick was, once on the green it was max 2 putts, which actually didn’t factor for us. We birdied 14 holes and pared 4, and we definitely left 3 strokes on the table. 1 for eagle and 2 for birdies.

      We had genuine 9.5, 10.5, 11.5 and 20.5 handicap golfers. No vanity handicaps and no sandbaggers. That day we all played slightly better than our handicaps and also our playing style complimented each other. 55 is about as good as possible unless the course is easy, or the golfers are near scratch, IMO.

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      David

      11 months ago

      Too many words written about a made up problem. I’ve never sniffed the top of the leaderboard in one of these things but always enjoy the memories. Support the cause, have some drinks with friends, buy as many mulligans and strings as you can, and enjoy your weekday round when you should be working. If you want to compete, work harder at golf and join a mini tour.

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      golfgunguy

      11 months ago

      Sean, you are so right! Our senior men’s club does a two man scramble, so there is another two man team with you , so they know what you shot! We also play a Chapman as you suggested. Everyone hits a tee shot, then alternate shots till hole out.

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      Cooky

      11 months ago

      I play in a charity event each year. The company who sponsors each year distributes its own employees into the teams for fairness. 1 employee per 3 man team to make 4somes. The boss has his own team of buddies and usually shoots the winning score but has never submitted a score. One of the teams contributing always wins and one of the teams is drawn from a hat and that team wins a 10000 prize to their choice of sporting events that year. Final four, Super Bowl, or whatever is chosen. Really fun. I’m retired employee and they always ask me back to be on a team.

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      Alex Collazo

      11 months ago

      If honesty really wants to be questioned then scrambles need to be done in twosomes. You can still have a group of four, but you guys play in separate groups against another twosome, and combine your scores at the end. That, or just play twosome scrambles only. You will never get a full scramble of honest players, because it is human nature to cheat/lie about your score when nobody is there to question you.

      It’s basically the equivalent to the friend that always said he shoots in the 70s when nobody else is around, but then cards a 90 or higher every time you play with them.

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      tom

      11 months ago

      Too much cheating going on in acrambles

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      RicWood

      11 months ago

      I play in one scramble each year. The author is exactly right, who wants to play in a scramble where the charity asks for more money on every other hole. They charge plenty to enter and then nickle and dime you for 6 hours. I never go in expecting to win due to the cheating.
      I play every fall with guys from college because it is the one weekend each year we all get together. Golf, bars, homecoming, football, food. It is part of a weekend reunion. Otherwise, I avoid the big charity scramble events.

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      James Van Buren

      11 months ago

      My take on scrambles is the same. Less gimmicks and more of “put up or shut up” . Long Drives and closest to the pins should be separate from the actual scramble. After the scramble starts, the range should be picked and a stripe or fairway painted in the range and then afterwards, people can participate for $1 a ball, or 3 for $5 or whatever. This way it should help keep it honest, and if you want to pound balls to try and outdrive your buddy, it doesn’t hold up the actual scramble. Closest to the pin should be done the same way.

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      Mike

      11 months ago

      Since the cost of most scrambles near me has has got an expensive, I really will play in one when the charity is near and dear to my heart. But my issues with scrambles are as follows. 1) people cheat, 2) if I play on a nice course or private course that I ordinarily wouldn’t play on, I’ll never know what I shot because generally it’s all best ball, 3) sometimes the rounds can be endless.

      Bottom line for me, any Charity scramble I play in, I’ll just go to have fun with friends.

      BTW, I did play in a company sponsored scramble years ago and won a 4-day trip to Pinehurst via a drawing!

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      johnnie

      11 months ago

      I have no problem with charities using gimmicks like unlimited paid mulligans or buying ‘strings’ to fund raise. I fully expect the ‘awards ceremonies’ for those events will be more like a charity honoring its biggest money donors rather than the best REAL golf scores.
      But I agree 100% that too many amateur events have become a game of Liar’s Poker…..and it is NOT just in Scrambles. Same thing is becoming too common in weekly league play as well. Sometimes I feel like I’m watching 4 year olds cheat at checkers.

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      J. Hammerstein

      11 months ago

      There has always been an issue with scramble shenanigans but everything got much worse with COVID. It brought so many people to the game who were simply not meat to survive the first trimester. Growing the game and destroying it with jerks are two separate things.

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      Mike

      11 months ago

      I am always willing to help grow the game as long as it’s done in the foursome BEHIND me.

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      Cullin

      11 months ago

      i agree with this.. just played in a scramble today. our team played decent at best and shot a -2 (70) on the day. the winning team though? 48 on the day. not a group littered with pro card golfers, or even what i would consider scratch guys, either. i remembered watching one in their group on the range before the round barely able to get the ball to leave the ground, regardless of the club he hit with. yet their group shot a round only hit by a scramble full of PGA pros.. ill buy that.

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      Mike Betts

      11 months ago

      I must clarify one of your examples. The 40 with two aces was an outing where you purchased string and mulligans. The group that shot 40 had a member of the lpga on it. I know this course and the people that posted that score and cheating was not involved. This was a fun outing and was set up knowing that scores were going to be ridicules.

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      Hammer

      11 months ago

      Have 2 foursomes play together. Problem solved.

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      Tim

      11 months ago

      Love the Three Team playoff, sudden death, one hole chipping comp if needed.

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      Brian Wallace

      11 months ago

      Trophies of first three places in each flight. Awesome door prizes. Mulligans and gimmick holes are fine.

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      Craig Wallace

      11 months ago

      Quite simple solution. I play in one every year. They have two 3 man teams play together it still moves quickly you cannot cheat because the other team is watching. You pull the teams out randomly so you don’t have mates on both teams. It works well.
      Cheers Craig from Australia

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      Kuso

      11 months ago

      How does that move at all? All 6 players hit every shot until it’s in the hole? You realise it’s a Scramble, not alternate shot, so everybody hits a shot from the next position.
      And how many groups? 100?
      Would never happen, the day would never end lol

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      Dustin Madden

      11 months ago

      I’ve played in 4 man scrambles like this, the day moved well, okay ready golf, we played 18 in just under 5 hours. Winning team shot 13 under,

      Kuso

      11 months ago

      Dustin, 4-man scramble, as in a normal scramble so that the 4-some is the only group on the hole?
      That’s not what the dude is saying. He is saying 2 teams of 3-men each, so that would be 6 players all hitting a shot each every time. That’s a 6-some. When have you seen any 6-some anywhere all day? Never!

      Livininparadise

      11 months ago

      We played in a 2 foursomes playing together once. We finished in about 7 hours. Most were still on the course for 8 hours. I have also played in multiple events with 2 3somes playing together and it always takes about 6 hours

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      Kuso

      11 months ago

      Holy shnikeys. I would be asleep by the 6th hour

      League Golfer

      11 months ago

      Have the charity golf scramble players sign up as singles or groups, but let everyone know the actual final teams will be those players, “scrambled, shuffled, and mixed” and made into random groups of people who likely will not know anyone in their group. Everyone gets to meet three new golfers, has a good time, and can reassemble with their buddies at the post golf banquet or dinner afterwards and share stories of their day. Hopefully you don’t get four cheaters all randomly paired together and there will be at least one honest player in each group to keep their group honest.

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      KennyV

      11 months ago

      That’s why your prize budget for scrambles should be about $8.

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      Lloyd Davis

      11 months ago

      I continue to play in charity scrambles. I go in knowing we have great odds of winning… a random door prize. Well, compared to winning the powerball lottery. The worst scramble was put together by a charity exec who didn’t understand golf. First, it was “bogey is your friend” (no scores over bogey). Second, it was full handicap. No one seated but the leaderboard ended in an almost perfect inverse of total team handicaps. I won a nice hat as a door prize, and they had free beer. The team that won was thrilled as they’d never won anything before. No joke.

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      James

      11 months ago

      Last scramble I played was 7 years ago. Played behind the “winning” team who claimed they shot 48. They also claimed two closest to the pins on par 3s and a longest drive. What they didn’t know is one guy in my group is a photographer and brought zoom lens 500x. Photographed and videoed them cheating. All for 25 bucks per player. Got DQ’d when evidence was shown but ruined scrambles anyhow for me. Will never play another.

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      Mike G

      11 months ago

      Agree with your article 100%. Buying mulligans is like buying a top three finish and soomone needs to explain that a mulligan is one shot only per team not four shots. I like the raffle packages for donations. Stableford tourneys are also fun and include everyone.

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      tom

      11 months ago

      many charities are losing people to play because of so much cheating. I’ve stopped playing because I witnessed cheating and we called them out and almost started a fight, no more scrambles for me

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      Wilson Player

      11 months ago

      I have played in close to 100 charity events like this. All to raise money for a good cause/foundation. 95% of the people out there don’t care about who won the event.
      Paid Mulligans, string, pay the pro, air cannon…. are all good in my book.
      Just keep the damn event under 6 hours. Scrambles are just taking too long waiting for every player to hit the same ball.
      Last one was close to 6:45 minutes on a shorter course.

      Keep it moving, keep it fun, and some free drinks wouldn’t hurt.

      that’s all most of us ask for.

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      Jonathan

      11 months ago

      Totally agree, and thanks for calling it out.

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      poprocksncoke

      11 months ago

      Best story I got… Was playing in a big scramble and as the teams were coming in this guy was at the door asking everyone how they did. All the scores were in and the last card to be turned in was from the team that same guy was on. They won by one stroke.

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      David

      11 months ago

      Just put a neutral scorekeeper with each group.

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      Greg

      11 months ago

      Well said Sean! And as an Oilers fan it’s really hard for me to compliment you. LOL
      IMO the underlying issue today is the serious decline in honesty/integrity in sport generally. In golf, we have a serious epidemic of V-Caps and sandbagging that goes unchecked and bleeds more and more into all competitions where the “win at all costs” seems to be the goal. Makes me sad. Golf’s moral compass is definitely broken. 😞

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      FakeRichGuy

      11 months ago

      Everyone’s got a story. 2 years ago, we played in a scramble. Winning team shot a 58. Had a rowdy 10 and 12 year old on it. The MC even said “How many mulligans did you guys take?” Everyone was fairly annoyed.

      Last year, same scramble. Winning team shot a 60 but was loaded with ringers. Everyone knew the outcome was pretty much decided going into it. The 60 was not out of the question in that case.

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      zebhead47

      11 months ago

      Sadly any tournament is now subject to cheaters, with probably the most prevalent being Member/Guest tournaments where the guest shows up and shoots “the best round of their lives.” Last MG I played in our first round was against a 22/16. After 4 holes they were -4 and would have been -5 after 5 as they were on a par 5 in 2 and intentionally 3-jacked their putts to make par. BTW, we were giving them strokes. Needless to say, they won our flight. The last “charity” scramble was won with -23.

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      Tom54

      11 months ago

      The inherent problem with scrambles is that, since everyone in the foursome is on the same team, there is no one in the group who’s going to protect the field. Of all the things you mentioned, the one that rubs me the most wrong is the purchasing of in-tournament games. I play a yearly charity event for a friend’s church. It’s played at a very nice country club that I’m happy to be able to get to play once in a while. On one of the par 5s, as long as everyone throws in another $20, you can pick your ball up and go place it just off the green to hit your first shot. So in theory, you can ace a par 5. I just want to play the hole. The other one that kills me is when they set up the hula hoops in the fairway, and if you buy in on the hole and hit your drive into one of them, you can win a new driver. And it’s a Warrior Custom Golf driver or some equivalent. Right. Here’s me with my Callaway Epic Max LS and custom shaft, but I’m going to stop using that because I won your $28 value driver.

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      Clay Nicolsen

      11 months ago

      Several years ago I was “recuited” to play in a big charity scramble. The company that invited me paid for my airfare and hotel. Fancy food and beverages. A very big deal.
      After the tournament was over, we were all sitting around lunch tables under a big tent, 8 players (two teams) per table. We were sitting with the winning team. They shot 19 under. I asked: “Cool! What hole did you eagle?” Before anyone could stop him, one of the players on the winning team blurted: “Oh, we didn’t have any eagles.”
      Whole table went silent.

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      SD golfer

      11 months ago

      Need to go back to keeping score for the other teams you play with and scorecards need to be signed by all teams in the group. Also electronic scoring is easier for the staff but seems like last groups out always come away with the win.

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      Joe

      11 months ago

      We ran a successful charity tournament, scramble, please purchase mulligans, strings, get the pro to hit a par 3 shot for your group…all to generate donations for charity.
      The balance to this was 1st place prize was a $5 plastic trophy, no pro shop credit! So, we said, if you need to cheat for a $5 trophy, God Bless you!
      Relative to the MemberMember/MemberGuest thieves, it can be a very expensive participation.
      Many clubs have worked with their handicap chairs to document a “tournament” handicap VS an every day handicap.
      The tournament handicap carries with it the “Scarlet Letter” “A” meaning handicap adjusted.

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      Fred Curley

      11 months ago

      Fred
      Absolutely have cheap trophies for the winners and drawings for the good prizes. That way, even the worst golfers have a chance and everybody has fun as well as cheating being eliminated.

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      jimmy freeburger

      11 months ago

      The best for a scramble to happen is with two groups per hole. Yes, 8 players a hole. If you play ready golf it is the nearly to same amount of time to play, until you get to the greens. Trade scorecards and this reduces cheating significantly.

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      Mike

      11 months ago

      OMG, that would just be an excuse to put more players on the course. At the same time. I might need to book an overnight stay to finish the round.

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      Jason S

      11 months ago

      I hate to say it, but this isn’t just limited to scrambles.
      I played in our member-member about 2 weeks ago, which was a 4-ball format (best score of the two-man team, is recorded and adjusted for handicap). A registered GHIN is required and you have to have 5 rounds recorded by July 1. After looking at the handicaps and final scores after the two rounds, there’s no doubt that people were “padding” their recorded scores to artificially inflate their handicaps. Our flight 8 was the last (highest combined handicaps) with combined 2-man handicaps between 50 & 66. The winning score (gross) of our flight was +10. That’s over 2 rounds for guys with 22 & 28 handicaps. Second place was +20. They would have been T2 for flights 5, 6, and 7.
      So cheating isn’t limited to just scrambles I’m afraid.

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      Roy

      11 months ago

      Scrambles are tough. At 22 under par leaves a bitter taste. Just take the money away and only a memento. Blind draw the prizes.

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      Dave Wilcynski

      11 months ago

      Unless you have an unbiased score keeper for each group and eliminate all the “gimmicks” (mulligans, strings, etc) there will always be groups that cheat. I played in $500 per team scramble (no handicap with cash payouts) in 1983). We had a scratch player, 2 professionals and a 10 handicap (me). It was a 2 day tournament gross score per group. We shot 54, 55 (par 72). We finished 2nd by 1 shot. We saw the group in front of us taking more than 1 putt per person on 2-3 holes towards the end and nothing was done. They denied it. Never played in one where there wasn’t “cheating”.🤔🤨

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      James

      11 months ago

      I played in a two-man scramble once where we won with a 67. That would probably finish dead last the way scrambles are played now. I refuse to play in one where players can buy unlimited mulligans, etc.

      People who cheat in scrambles should absolutely be shamed, especially when most of them are put on for charity. What’s the point of winning when you cheated to get there? You’re playing for a trophy and some door prizes, not millions of dollars. It’s supposed to be fun competition.

      I am all for a playoff format where the top 3 teams have to play one hole in front of everyone like the video going around, or have monitors on every hole to verify scores.

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      James

      11 months ago

      I should mention that the only prize for winning that scramble was a trophy made of Milwaukee’s Best beer cans. I kept that thing for years, I was so proud of it. My wife abhorred it, and it eventually “fell” while she was cleaning one day, like the lamp in “A Christmas Story.”

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      FakeRichGuy

      11 months ago

      Gotta be careful. Those trophies are very frajeelie. Or fragile, if you will.

      Kuso

      11 months ago

      Quit playing them!
      Or, play in a REAL scramble at a private course where they provide caddies with every group to track the real score and they won’t be able to be bribed with a pittance of a tip because they also know who is playing and what the members’ real skills are lol
      and even with a guest in their group, unless the guest is a true scratch with the USGA handicap and or is a PGA Tour pro, you know what the score will be before you even start

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      Robin

      11 months ago

      Some of us can’t afford to play at a country club.
      I served in the Marines, and I only get a small check every month for being injured while serving .
      So I play the same old Muni every week.
      Matter fact I had my first lesson in my life, 2 weeks ago.
      I did have to save for that. No country club life for me.

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      Kuso

      11 months ago

      I am not a member, nor have I ever been, of any private country club, let alone my local muni cheap membership! I just happen to play well, got to know some people, and they invite me to play in their big scrambles as the Ringer, and I always oblige. Not that my teams have ever won every game, yes of course I’ve won a couple times and always place 2nd or 3rd etc –
      but the real ones I play in always have caddies and everybody plays to their skills and keep it civil and honest. Like you’re supposed to do, in golf.
      All other types of scramble are just for fun, nobody should really care about who wins, it’s all about the drinks etc, right? Or for good causes or whatever

      Greg

      11 months ago

      My favorite events any more are on the Tampa area’s Todd Wright Tour. He sets up modified scramble formats, but there are no gimmicks or other ways to buy a low score. It still takes sometimes 12-under or better to win, but most of us believe the scores are legit.

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      Charles Thomas

      11 months ago

      I would recommend a scorer going out with every group and turning in a bonified score. Someone from the tournament committee would probably be sufficient. See if that would work. (maybe)

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      Bulldog

      11 months ago

      Played in a scramble where the group handicap was the lowest handicap of the players in the group. The group in front of us said their lowest guy was a 15 handicap. On a 300+ yard par 4, we watched as two of them drove the green, then they made the eagle putt. They took a comfortable first place.

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      J Thorpe

      11 months ago

      What a hoot!!. I once played in a Pro-Am for a PGA event scramble where two of our team were 30 handicap ladies. Given the distance difference in tees and the application of handicap to the final score, that the PRO kept, we had a score of 20 something. On the PAR three, with a real birdie the score net “1”. I am over 70 and play from the senior/forward tees, which even up for the young and proud that do poorly from the tees. In addition I practice which is the true scoring difference

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      Tom McField

      11 months ago

      No prizes worth anything of value for coming in 1st, 2nd or 3rd. Cheap plastic trophies. Anything of value is a draw prize.

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      Will

      11 months ago

      Glad to see I’m not the only one who thinks all the dumb gimmicks are a pain. The last one of these I played in, they had it so you basically didn’t have to putt. I *like* putting.

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      CB

      11 months ago

      All you can do is mitigate. Have more than one team per grouping. Try to keep friendly teams from playing in same group. Players need an established GHIN or get placed in the champ flight. Have volunteers on CTP and long drive holes.

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      Matt Miller

      11 months ago

      This article hit the mark. It is insane. I can’t count the number of clearly bogus scores I’ve witnessed. I now despise scrambles but it cheapens the charity aspect when you know a subset of these people are total dirt bags. Glad you said what we all know. Great job.

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      James T.

      11 months ago

      I used to play in every scramble at my home course, but the stacked teams in so-called blind draw scrambles and the rampant cheating made me stop. Now I only play in our annual Christmas scramble that collects toys and clothing for disadvantaged kids. Thats the only scramble in which I can tolerate the cheating.

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      Yaaqob

      11 months ago

      One Reddit user had the best idea…just find the median score and those guys are the winners. First place gets a plastic trophy and the median score win the big prize. Everything else is 100% random drawings for prizes and awards. Just take the incentive of “winning” out of it so people go with the intention that the golf is just there to be fun and everything else is a perk.

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      Sean

      11 months ago

      We have one near me that the “winners” are a random score selected after everyone has teed off but before anyone is finished… They get the “big prize” and like you.. everything else is raffle or draw

      Reply

      TurtleHacker

      11 months ago

      Love this idea!

      Reply

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