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That Should Be Valhalla’s Last Major

That should be—and probably will be—the last major championship we see at Valhalla.

As much as I enjoyed seeing Xander Schauffele wrestling the PGA Championship away from Bryson DeChambeau and Viktor Hovland during a dramatic back-nine showdown, Valhalla is not worthy of major championship golf.

It’s no judgment on the city of Louisville or the state of Kentucky, which has provided outstanding support of four PGA Championships dating back to 1996. Hospitality sale records were broken this year. The fans were enthusiastic.

The problem is in other areas.

On the financial side, the PGA of America, which bought Valhalla in 2000, sold the property in 2022 and have built a course at their headquarters in Frisco, Texas, which will soon begin intermittent hosting duties (2027, 2034 and beyond). There is a lot less incentive for them to go back to Valhalla, which effectively turned into a lame duck host. The tournament is heading to larger markets in the coming years—areas like Charlotte, Philadelphia, Dallas, New York, San Francisco and Washington D.C.

The logistics were a nightmare even before—and I still haven’t processed this—the best golfer in the world was arrested by what appears to be an overzealous cop who escalated a harmless situation. The PGA Championship’s footprint has been getting larger over the years, and it’s reasonable to think that some of Valhalla’s infrastructure is no longer appropriate.

And on a note more specific to the golf itself, this is no longer a major championship golf course.

While the leaderboards at Valhalla’s four PGA Championships have induced drama, the golf shots themselves are rarely interesting. It’s a badly designed layout with strings of indistinguishable holes. The greens are flat and simple. The fairways are easy to hit. Consequences for missing in the wrong spot are minimal.

Yes, soft conditions contributed. But a firmer course wouldn’t hide deficiencies on this level.

That was underscored with some jarring stats. Before yesterday, no major championship had surrendered multiple scores of 20-under or lower. Schauffele’s 21-under was the best mark relative to par in major history. And according to Justin Ray, this year’s tournament had a 214-under combined total amongst the field. The previous best scoring in PGA Championship history was 40-over at Riviera in 1995.

More than 250 shots!

I don’t mind the low scoring on its own, but it needs to come with meaningful punishment for poor golf shots. We consistently saw bad shots end up in totally fine places, and that isn’t major championship golf.

When Schauffele hit a nasty rope hook on the par-4 second, the rough caught it before it reached the water. When his second shot went long, it funneled back into a bunker, leaving him a simple shot that he hit to a few inches. Similar situations—like Schauffele hitting two decidedly mediocre shots on the 17th only to be faced with the most basic up and down possible—were happening all over the place.

DeChambeau said he had his B-game at Valhalla and shot 20-under.

There just wasn’t any teeth to the course. At no point did it feel likeplayers could go backwards unless they completely melted down.

I know a lot of people don’t care about any of that. They want drama down the stretch with great characters. We got that at Valhalla. Schauffele went out and won it—he’s a deserving winner. So was Mark Brooks in 1996, Tiger Woods in 2000 and Rory McIlroy in 2014. They all won in memorable finishes.

But I think it’s important to note that great leaderboards and enjoying a golf tournament doesn’t equal a great golf course. You could put this field on a $20 muni anywhere across America and get a great leaderboard.

It’s one of the oddities of the game—the best major venues separate great golf from good golf, giving us a worthy winner who often shines above the rest. Worse venues often get packed leaderboards. Everyone is hitting to the same spots, taking the same strategy.

We only get four majors per year, and one of them is at the same course every year. We need variety. There is a place in major championship golf for a “turkey shoot” kind of major where going low is more encouraged—where pure entertainment value has just as much of a pull as a course being an exacting test of golf—but it needs to live in an arena where good shots are rewarded and bad shots are punished.

Valhalla is not that place, and I don’t think we’re going to be seeing it in the future regardless of how I feel.

We’ll remember Valhalla for the players and the finishes—and it’s been remarkably fortunate in that way—but we won’t remember it (positively) for the test.

Can it host a regular PGA Tour venue? Absolutely. Another major? Not a chance.

There may have been a time when Valhalla was more of a stern test, but that wasn’t when players were reaching 196 mph ball speed (as DeChambeau did Sunday) and hitting short irons into 500-yard par-4s.

I’m sure there are some people who enjoy when a course doesn’t have any reasonable defense, but there has to be some line drawn with how we identify the best golfer at a major. We have the entire rest of the year to encourage throwing darts and not punishing bad shots if the PGA Tour or any other league wants to do that.

The majors deserve to be something more.

And with that, it’s time to wave goodbye to Valhalla.

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Sean is a longtime golf journalist and underachieving 8 handicap who enjoys the game in all forms. If he didn't have an official career writing about golf, Sean would spend most of his free time writing about it anyway. When he isn't playing golf, you can find Sean watching his beloved Florida Panthers hockey team, traveling to a national park or listening to music on his record player. He lives in Nashville with his wife and dog (of course the dog's name is Hogan).

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      Joe

      1 month ago

      Why has the PGA of America and the PGA Tour not come out, guns a blazing, in support of the #1 golfer in the world. Stop being cowardly and take a stand. Both organizations do not mind using Scottie as a selling tool.

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      Pat Collins

      1 month ago

      Wait til they get to Aronomink in 2026. They might shoot 30 under par there!

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      XY

      1 month ago

      This for Sean, would you consider Valhalla for another PGA after the roll back if/when it happens?

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      Matt Dillon

      1 month ago

      Great review of this golf course. Possibly the most boring course in major history. Exactly right about throwing these players on a local mini and getting the same outcome.

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      Ryan

      1 month ago

      This was the first major I have watched all four rounds of in a few years. Many of the last majors have snoozers with one guy taking off and making it simply unwatchable. This was fun and came down to needing a birdie on the 72nd hole. I know some folks that are well-connected at Valhalla and they will likely be hosting another PGA championship in 2032 or 2033 from what they have been told. Also have to consider the fact that well north of 213,000 tickets were sold and more hospitality and retail square footage was set up here at any other major in history. All in all, it was an extremely profitable weekend for Valhalla and the PGA.

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      Peejer

      1 month ago

      Comments here saying it wasn’t too easy – the numbers don’t lie. …”this year’s tournament had a 214-under combined total amongst the field. The previous best scoring in PGA Championship history was 40-over at Riviera in 1995.”
      Sorry to ruin their opinions with data and facts. Oh, and by the way…the world is not flat either.

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      Martin

      1 month ago

      I think the fact that someone died from the infrastructure/transportation issues and it appears the police vetting process isn’t good enough to prevent employing hot-heads who will physically try to restrain a vehicle (!) when they perceive a challenge to their authority are both good enough reasons not to hold another tournament at Valhalla, let alone another Major. Incidentally, how have they not dropped the charges against Scheffler yet? Every day this continues makes the entire Louisville Police Department look as obstinate and aggressive as the offending officer here. Are they really going to pursue felony charges against Scheffler in spite of two eye witness accounts and an officer who conveniently had his body cam off? But I digress…

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      Peejer

      1 month ago

      His arraignment date was delayed due to the tournament and is currently set for June 3, 2024.
      It’ll be interesting to see how things proceed. We don’t know ALL the details, but it sure seems like an authority in Louisville would have acknowledged it wasn’t handled properly and dismiss charges. It appears they’re all lining up behind the detective with blind support.

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      Sam

      1 month ago

      I see the author’s point, but the comment above about low scores at other major venues should not be overlooked. And if Schauffele’s chip shot was the ‘most basic possible’, it didn’t look that way to me: tight lie, enormous pressure. On the other hand if it was in fact the ‘most basic possible’ then he gave himself a good leave, in which case his second shot wasn’t mediocre. These are intense pressure shots, and his leave was good course management. Most of all, whatever one thinks of Valhalla, this should not take away from Schauffele’s gutsy play to win this tournament. The approach to the green with the ball above his feet (of which Dottie Pepper said anything could have happened), the pitch to 6 feet, and barely curling in the putt to win (like Mickelson’s first Majors win at the Masters) all showed inner mettle. (DeChambeau’s birdie was pretty clutch, too, and I’m not that crazy about him.) Xander is a class act, and he deserved this. The maxim he quoted from his Dad — “commit, execute, accept” — is a pretty good one for life. Let’s emphasize what’s important.

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      Tim

      1 month ago

      Some of the world’s best golfers couldn’t even make the cut. Just because a few played great doesn’t mean the course is too easy. The author is dead wrong about Valhalla. It is a world class venue and never hosting a major again would be criminally stupid.

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      Upton

      1 month ago

      How can you argue it didn’t play too easy?

      It beat the next lowest tournament by a combined 250+ shots

      Michael

      1 month ago

      I spent Sunday at Valhalla and watched most of the coverage from the 3 days prior. The greens are totally fine, I don’t know what the author is talking about. Not every green has serious undulations but on average it’s not nearly as flat as many tour stops.

      I will say that the rough was just as long as the nearest Country Club where I play, Lake Forest CC. So probably the rough could have been a quarter inch longer, and fairway size slightly reduced.

      The rest of it, according to players and other sources is that the 3/4″ of rain just before the tournament led to soft conditions and was the reason that the course didn’t have teeth. JT mentioned that played soft, “Valhalla has no way to defend itself”. They could add a bunch of bunkers throughout but that would make it unplayable for membership the other 519 weeks of the decade besides the occasional PGA visit. Who wants to be a member at a gimmicky course where you play atrocious every round because the course rating is so high?

      The real reason, as a Louisville native, not to have it here, is because of logistics getting into and out of the course. That’s what caused the Scheffler misunderstanding, and is the only reasonable complaint.

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      Keith Hansen

      1 month ago

      Looking at the numbers, I thought they were playing at Hartford.

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      Bob German

      1 month ago

      I was a scorer this week. I got to stand on the tee box on 7 on Saturday ( my groups 16 th hole ) and listen to them talk about the low scores. They said the zoysia fairways allowed them to hit spin because they were wet and the greens held. They reviewed several shots including a sandy on 11 and said had the course been dry things would have been totally different. They said the low scores were the result of a good course ( RE all the drainage work Valhalla had done and the sub air system on the greens ). Valhalla championships have all been amazing. Even the boys PGA! This article was off base for me. I wonder if he’s every actually played the course.

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      Patrick

      1 month ago

      Interesting take. I’d always survey the players first, before drawing conclusions. The other issue is that there was a tournament the previous week at Quail Hollow. That’s like Taylor Swift opening for Marne Morris. Also, you have to admit the weather was complicit.

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      Tony

      1 month ago

      I’m thinking the guys that didn’t make the cut would disagree with your article…Maybe interview them???

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      Shane C Keena

      1 month ago

      Folks just can’t see the forest for the trees. There were elegant stepped shots and sloped fairways all over the course. The traps challenged players and kept them honest. Schaufelle had one shot on Sunday that he had to dig down with his cleat to keep from slipping. Do you want every fairway to be an alleyway? Then you might as well hold it in the inner city and have balls smash into windows and bounce off brick walls.

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      Tk

      1 month ago

      This should be the last major at Valhalla, but for reasons the author barely touches upon. Having the no.1 player in golf arrested is not as big a deal as poor infrastructure that was unable to keep patrons safe. A patron died this week folks because of dangerous transportation inadequacies. If you can’t keep folks safe there are other places to go. But please continue with how the scores were the problem?

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      Grant

      1 month ago

      Nothing wrong with the course or scores. The reason to not have a major golf tournament, or any major sporting event, in Louisville ever again is the police going around arresting competitors.

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      Hopp Man

      1 month ago

      I watched all 4 days, it didn’t seem there was anything special at Valhalla, time to move on from it as a major venue, let the PGA tour have a regular event there or an opposite field event there in the future.

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      Barry

      1 month ago

      Shave a few more millimeters off the greens, let the rough grow a couple inches, and tighten up the fairways and ‘Halla will be fine next time.

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      Dennis Merlo

      1 month ago

      Article is absolutely spot-on. Couldn’t say it any better.

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      Dave Tutelman

      1 month ago

      I have said many times (most recently in connection with rolling back the ball) that the USGA confuses protecting golf with protecting par. That continues to be a complaint of mine. It is disappointing to find MyGolfSpy guilty of the same confusion.

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      Golf guy

      1 month ago

      Do tell then what Is the difference to you and how did they get it wrong?

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      Yummy

      1 month ago

      I was just about to say the same.
      The course was fine. As was the scoring. In fact, you know they set it up like this for this one so there would be decent scoring, as opposed to the suffering we’re going to see at the US Open. This was the PGA, after all, and they wanted it to be a stadium-course scoring type game and they made it happen, as if it was just a slightly larger and a bit more prestigious event than a regular Tour stop, and that’s what it was.

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      Joe Cook

      1 month ago

      The scoring was low because the course was wet from the week before and this week, maybe some people like seeing players struggling to keep a ball on a green and shoot an over par winning score but not me, one of the most exciting finishes we’ve had in forever and some malcontents are fussing. I listened to Sirius PGA Tour radio and they all thought it should be played there again so I think your opinion is exactly that a lame opinion

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      Tony

      1 month ago

      Exactly. They were hitting shots out of that rough and were able to hold the greens. If it was firm & fast, it would have been a different story. The finish was exciting!

      These guys are sooo good. Rain & wind….Mother Nature…. has a huge influence on scoring & they have no control over that

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      Will

      1 month ago

      I find it really hard to believe anyone’s watching these things and getting offended when the scores are too low. That’s just not a legitimate problem. It’s an excuse to distract from the fact that the coverage format is hot garbage. Neither playing a harder course nor rolling the ball back will make commercials suck any less, or your announcers more interesting.

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      Mike

      1 month ago

      TOTALLY DISAGREE with the author. Please, no golf purist BS about scores being too low. I think that here, as in every single other stroke playgolf tournament that’s ever been played, the lowest score won. Excitement sells (Tell that too the folks at Augusta who keep making the course more difficult and incredibly less fun to watch. There were more eagles on one hole this past weekend than in the entire Masters tournament. 13 & 15 are now birdie, not eagle holes. This event easily ranks up there with one of the most exciting final rounds of a major I’ve seen in years. And exciting because it challenged them to make great shots to go low, not to hang on & pray they wouldn’t get bogeys or doubles. The US Open had been a set-up joke for years until they woke up and realized fewer people were watching, & the Masters has turned itself into a complete snooze fest. Hey, I get that some people like 1-0 baseball & hockey games & 3-0 football games but not this guy.

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      Walter

      1 month ago

      Absolutely the 2nd

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      Puttt

      1 month ago

      Ditto here. I want to see birdies for well played shots. Penalizing players for 15 stimp meter greens just isn’t fun to watch. PGA specifically made #4 driveable on purpose. Wish they had done the same on #13.

      Jonathan

      1 month ago

      At the end of the day the players still had to execute shots at the right time. The course may not have had any teeth but Xander still had to get up and down on 17 to stay level with Bryson and he still had to make birdie to win. Score to par isn’t really relevant.

      Better put, If 18 was played as a Par 4 and the course was a 70 that would have brought Xander’s score down to -17? Would that or any other changes made to reduce the score have made any bit of difference to what was a very exciting and fun tournament. I don’t really think so.

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      Karlton

      1 month ago

      I enjoyed the PGA weekend but agreed they no longer need Valhalla to fill in. I want the PGA to host their championship, where the best players in the world can play the best courses in the United States. Newer courses would be fun to watch, and I plan a trip to play the course.

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      Alex

      1 month ago

      Keep it as a Ryder cup Venue , make the Euros dodge traffic cops, lol.

      On a more serious note, the rain messed things up by softening the greens. (McGinley said this on the Golf Channel last night) .
      It’s like an Open Championship with no wind, it will be a birdie fest. I’m still surprised more LIV guys didn’t finish high, since the setup was easier.

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      Robert

      1 month ago

      Valhalla should definitely host another PGA again in about 10-15 years. Every single time it’s been played there it’s been excited and gives all types of players the chance to win, bombers and straight hitters. The course got soaked from the rain. Any course that is soft and minimal wind and those guys will tear it up.

      Were we saying this about St. Andrew’s when Cam Smith won in 2022 at -20?

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      Andrew the Great!

      1 month ago

      Actually, yeah, there was a LOT of blasphemy about the Old Course no longer being a proper Open Championship venue after the 2022 Open.

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      HB Rust

      1 month ago

      Agreed 2035 host another PGA championship. When was the last time you had so much fun and interest watching a golf tournament? Valhalla 2014?

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      David Lewis

      1 month ago

      Never go to Louisville except for bourbon.🥃

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      Rich

      1 month ago

      Ah yes, the course that just produced one of the most exciting major weekends in quite a while is surely a massive problem. There were at least a dozen golfers heading into Saturday afternoon that could have made a legitimate run at the win, and we’re complaining because guys were going too low?

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      F

      1 month ago

      This is exactly the point! Easily one of the top three tournaments of the year and of course these morons are against one of the only good things to happen to the game this year.

      Augusta was downright unbearable to watch this year with ridiculously fast greens that penalized awesome shots and horrible weather. The Players was much better by comparison at -20, and NO ONE is complaining about that tournament because it would obviously be ridiculous to criticize it. I wish these out of touch golf “influencers” would leave their offices sometime and touch grass.

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      David B

      1 month ago

      Did you play in the Masters this year or caddie in it? Its sure sounds like you did being so concerned with great shots by pros being penalized unfairly. You have a lot of nerve calling people morons when sitting there defending course that the players chewed up and spit out like a 9 hole course at the fairgrounds. You guys should go watch LIV if you like that.

      Mike

      1 month ago

      Agree, Saturday’s round was incredibly exciting also! Sure, I want to see golf’s best struggle & make bogeys / doubles just like I do. That’s real fun TV watching.

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      David B

      1 month ago

      Yep, that’s exactly what some of us are doing. You see it was a major and some people think that majors should be more challenging than the rest of the tournaments. If you don’t want that then why have majors at all? It’s you guys who have it all wrong, not those who think majors should be a little more challenging than the Sony Open.

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      ramo66

      1 month ago

      It was more challenging because more players were in the hunt.Challenging doest necessarily mean beat players up.It could also mean that iin this test the pga wanted to identify the best player as being able yo go low instead of having a guy make par after par and let the field eliminate themselves with big numbers.

      Eric

      1 month ago

      “It’s a badly designed layout with strings of indistinguishable holes.” You must hate 95% of courses and think every golf hole looks exactly the same. There are reasons Valhalla shouldn’t host another major, but you’re just trying to pile on to make an article more divisive and interesting.

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      Jim Forte’

      1 month ago

      When the course is wet, especially the greens, those guys can throw darts at the pins, knowing the ball will stop almost immediately. Had the course been dry, it would have played a lot differently. On Sunday, as the course was drying out, you saw some drives roll out enough to catch some fairway bunkers, so I feel my theory has some merit.

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      Andrew

      1 month ago

      Where is there still a decent $20 muni these days?

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      GooRoo

      1 month ago

      As Mark Hubbard said last night, the course was 5% responsible for the low scores the other 95% was due to the set up. I agree 100%! They planned on hot dry weather and they got the opposite. They were caught with their pants down. The greens are not flat and neither are most of the fairways. The par 3s are hellacious! This course could be a beast!

      Truth told, we’re at a point where these guys are going to disassemble most courses unless they are set up for carnage like Shinnecock was a few years back, (and nobody wants the blow back that came with that). If they wanted par to be a winning score, they could have narrowed the fairways and allowed the rough to grow to 10 or 12 inches. Simple. Frankly, IMO, that’s probably what they should have done. Then, if they got rain they could have lowered the rough to their liking. So for all the praise given to Kerry Haigh on TV, I’d conclude that he missed the mark pretty dramatically.

      All of that said, the logistics problems were inexcusable and that alone should be cause for an in-depth review of the viability of this venue going forward.

      Lastly I wish the PGA (and USGA) would use these events as an opportunity maximize growth of the game. Instead of going to private clubs I’d like to see all majors (besides The Masters) played on public courses. Elitist, expensive private clubs are an American golf construct that simply doesn’t have to be. They should take the tournaments to a different public track every year and invest in that course to illustrate that great public courses are available everywhere. In so doing, their investment would vastly improve courses around the country, encourage investment in surrounding tracks, and draw people into the game. When the tournament pulls out on Monday, the public can roll in on Tuesday and have the exact same experience as the best players in the world. It would be like allowing pickup football games at the Super Bowl venue the day after the game. Imagine people driving on the track in Indianapolis the day after the 500, or the public accessing Wimbledon after the championship final. No sport has the ability to do this quite like golf.

      Harding Park was a perfect example. They invested in an amazing public design, had an awesome event in a great city, and when they left it was totally accessible to the public. Louisville would be so much better for that sort of engagement, as would every other city in America. If these governing bodies truly want to grow the game they have to push private club golf to the periphery and pull public golf into the center of their focus.

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      MGoBlue100

      1 month ago

      I was on property two days. The course was soaked. I’ll give Sean one point: the fairways are generous. However, if the ground was firm & fast, would balls have stayed in the short grass? Debatable. Also, the greens are neither flat nor simple. Someone needs to either visit the venue, get a higher resolution television, or stop commenting. Valhalla is a beast of a golf course; these guys would have torn any course to shreds with the conditions of last week.

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      LooWaters

      1 month ago

      The FedEx playoffs BMW Championship has been more of a major type test in recent years.

      Andrew the Great!

      1 month ago

      “Elitist, expensive private clubs are an American golf construct that simply doesn’t have to be.”

      I’ve played the Open Championship rota courses in Scotland, twice. While they’re not purely private, their green fees sure qualify as “elitist” and “expensive”. The green fees wayyyy back in 2006 were:

      Royal Troon Old – $383
      Turnberry Ailsa – $230
      Muirfield – $315
      St Andrews – $220
      Carnoustie – cheap at $195

      Today’s green fees are appreciably higher than that, so no, only the “private” part is an American golf construct. “Elite” and “expensive” are found the world round.

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      Martin

      1 month ago

      This is the problem with the proposal to have majors at public venues. After the Tour leaves, the course either needs to make a significant investment in maintenance and raise greens fees accordingly or let the course quickly deteriorate to its previous condition (while possibly having to move greens, tee boxes and even bunkers). While I’d love to see my local course turned into a Major venue (and it’s a tough course that could be made to challenge the best players), I don’t want it to be even more crowded and expensive than it is.

      Rodger

      1 month ago

      At no other course was a player arrested trying to get in the front gate, enough of a reason to never go back right there. That plus the fact that the course is eminently forgettable, could be used for a Korn Ferry event.

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      Richard Branson

      1 month ago

      The PGA Tournament at Valhalla was the BEST tournament I’ve watched in recent memory. In fact, all four of the tournaments played there have been memorable.

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      David B

      1 month ago

      I have an idea for all of you who love to see birdie fests and guys shooting 62’s and -21. Go watch the 20+ other tournaments of the year that are NOT major championships. Did you guys forget what a major championship is supposed to be? I don’t what it’s supposed to be but I know it’s not supposed to be a dart throwing contest where a -1 under 70 puts you out of contention. Actually a 69 would have done it which is absolutely ridiculous. Do you guys actually like watching pros play station to station golf? Put ball in fairway, put ball on green, putt for birdie, make or tap in for par. Go to next hole and repeat.
      How many holes did Xander and Bryson play over par out of the 144 holes they played between them? 5 or 6? Who in the world wants to see that in a major? I like to watch carnage but even I don’t like majors played on tricked up golf courses that make a mockery of the event. But if a course that’s 7600 yards long has no way to defend itself from some rain and soft greens, then it simply doesn’t belong hosting a major championship until it does. It’s no wonder these pro’s live in the dreamworld they do when the fans defend the courses that literally make them look like
      the greatest players of all time history.

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      Andrew the Great!

      1 month ago

      And another thing! (Ok, I promise, my last comment.)

      “At no point did it feel like players could go backwards unless they completely melted down.” There’s a corollary to that perspective. In golf, players can lose by going backwards…or they can win by going forward (see JT at Southern Hills). If players can’t go backwards unless they melt down, that means they CAN go forward. That, in fact, is how the Masters and its back-nine roars became legendary. So what if they can’t go backwards? That simply means we can see winners come from behind rather than see leaders fall back into the pack. Either way, it can be dramatic. As for the argument that you can’t catch a leader who isn’t melting down at a birdie-fest, you also can’t catch a leader who’s not melting down at a par-fest.

      “You could put this field on a $20 muni anywhere across America and get a great leaderboard.” Yes! That’s the point of the PGA Championship! It has the BEST field in golf, every year and historically. It’s the FIELD that makes it a major, NOT the venue or any other metric.

      The Open Championship – wind/rain are the defenses, links golf is the beauty, the oldest major where golf began
      The US Open – a brutal test of survival
      The Masters – strategy, precise iron play, putting, and the only major that goes to the same venue every year
      The PGA Championship – the best field in golf, EVERY year

      Each major has its own character, and that’s as it SHOULD be. We don’t want or need the PGA Championship to try to mimic any of the others…because we already HAVE the others.

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      Andrew the Great!

      1 month ago

      “I don’t mind the low scoring on its own, but it needs to come with meaningful punishment for poor golf shots. We consistently saw bad shots end up in totally fine places, and that isn’t major championship golf.” Much of that was due to setup, not anything intrinsically wrong with course design. Blame PGAoA, not Valhalla.

      “The greens are flat and simple.” Xander had a putt of less than six feet on the 72 hole, and read it with a slight right-to-left break…THEN read it again but with a slight left-to-right break. Less than six feet. That doesn’t sound simple, to me, anyway.

      “The PGA Championship’s footprint has been getting larger over the years, and it’s reasonable to think that some of Valhalla’s infrastructure is no longer appropriate.” Again, that’s on the PGAoA. They can make infra demands of Valhalla, and if Valhalla complies, the infra objections cease to exist.

      “On the financial side…”. That’s not a reason why it *shouldn’t* come back, that’s simply a reason why it *wouldn’t* come back. Can’t criticize Valhalla the Course for the PGAoA selling it and building their own sandbox.

      “And according to Justin Ray…”. I saw that tweet. Funny, he didn’t provide the same number for the 2022 Open Championship at the Old Course at St Andrews. I suspect it would be at least a similarly low aggregate number…but we’re not dropping the Old Course from the Open rota because of 2022.

      “DeChambeau said he had his B-game at Valhalla and shot 20-under”. This excuse is absurd. That was pure BS rationalization from BD. Within the span of 30 SECONDS in that presser, he said he had his B-game, AND, then he said his short game, his wedges, and his putting were A+, but his driving was B. Three A+’s and a B do NOT equal a B score. At worst it’s an A-.

      All in all, I find wanting your rationales for dropping Valhalla.

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      stephen

      1 month ago

      -21 under, that is a joke of a score for a major.

      Reply

      Andrew the Great!

      1 month ago

      The Masters, 2020: minus-20
      The Open, 2022: minus-20
      The Masters, 1997! and 2015: minus-18
      The Open, 1990!: minus-18

      Were those jokes of scores for majors? Two at Augusta National, two at the Old Course? Should those two venues be dropped for major championships in the future?

      The measure of a major is not merely its score. That’s like the blind man touching an elephant in one spot, and then describing it.

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      MGoBlue100

      1 month ago

      “That’s like the blind man touching an elephant in one spot, and then describing it.” Great analogy, and a pretty fair description of Sean’s literary abilities…

      Rick Gray

      1 month ago

      With the changes they are making to the golf ball, I don’t see why Valhalla should not be considered for future majors. Great facility!

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      Andrew the Great!

      1 month ago

      “…and hitting short irons into 500-yard par-4s…” ~ don’t be hoodwinked by the nominal numbers on his irons. Their lofts betray their true character. Subtract at least 2, and maybe even 3, from whatever he says he’s hitting, and you’ll get what he’s actually hitting. To wit: his 6I is in actuality a 4I or a 3I. His 9 is a 7, based on traditional, historic lofts.

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      Andrew the Great!

      1 month ago

      Let’s consider: the 2024 PGA Championship at Valhalla went down to, literally, the LAST shot. By contrast, the 2024 Masters was a snoozer for the final 2 hours. The 2023 Open Championship was a snoozer for almost all of Sunday’s round. The 2023 US Open was a bad venue and a low score not befitting a US Open, and a largely anticlimactic final hole. The 2023 PGA Championship was in the bag over the last 2-3 holes (and was a mess of a slog on Saturday; I was there). You have to go back to the 2022 Open Championship to have had drama up to the very end, though even that venue was benign and defenseless. We have to go back to the 2022 US Open two years ago, at Brookline, to have had a stellar venue and a dramatic finish. So let’s not cr@p on Valhalla too much; it gave us a great and dramatic finish.

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      Mark

      1 month ago

      Wow, the first comment body slammed the author with facts! How refreshing!!

      Reply

      Chris

      1 month ago

      Florida hasn’t had a major in 30-40 years

      Reply

      John

      1 month ago

      I don’t mind the low scores at the PGA. If I need to watch a course kick golfers’ teeth in I’ll watch the US Open.

      Reply

      Scornegay

      1 month ago

      That comment is not about the course, it is about scottie, why didn’t he follow the law officer instructions

      Reply

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