TPT Shafts: The Good, Bad and the Reality
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TPT Shafts: The Good, Bad and the Reality

TPT Shafts: The Good, Bad and the Reality

The equipment portion of the golf industry is an often over-caffeinated, hype-filled cacophony blended with some real news, some fake news, and opinion-based facts masquerading as fact-based opinions.

Certain segments of the market are shadier than others, and there’s an argument to be made that graphite composite shafts is among the most dubious categories.

That’s all to say, it can be a real mess, and without a roadmap to navigate it all, consumers play right into the hands of OEMs pedaling new and improved product which plays on a consumer ego long been convinced that new and improved invariably leads to longer and straighter – or at the very least, somehow better.

Within this context, shaft newcomer TPT (Thin Ply Technology) merits a deeper dive as it presents a viable argument its offerings are legitimately different than every other shaft on the market. While the company line is that those differences make for a superior performing product, there are plenty of questions surrounding the durability of its $500 shafts.

During testing, the MyGolfSpy staff broke two TPT shafts (one in play and one during routine profiling), multiple failures were reported during forum testing at GolfWRX, and over the summer, there were frequent reports of tour players snapping TPT shafts.

The most notorious example happened during the first round of the Australian PGA Championship last week, John Senden’s prototype TPT shaft snapped during his swing on the par-5 9th hole. The video shows the shaft break toward the butt section of the shaft, which is where it seems a majority of the failures in TPT’s LKP model occur. It’s one thing when a shaft snaps on the range, but when it costs a professional strokes and ultimately money, it becomes a much larger issue.

Senden is far from alone. In the rare convergence of golf and baseball, Jason Day reportedly keeps his TPT shafts on a pitch count whereby he replaces it after a certain number of swings. I believe that might be an industry first. Rod Pampling, Patrick Reed, and others have had TPT shafts break on them at one time or another.

That said, with Vijay Singh’s victory at the season-ending Charles Schwab Cup Championship this November, TPT has a baker’s dozen of worldwide wins. Moreover, TPT’s technology is just as viable at the consumer level where players of all swing speeds are finding surprising amounts of increased distance while also decreasing dispersion, according to former tour player and current instructor, Jon Sinclair, who sits on TPT’s advisory staff.

So, is TPT the next coming of high-performance shafts or is the product simply structurally unsound? It might not be an either-or proposition.

HUMBLE BEGINNINGS

At the 2017 PGA Show, I met with Sebastian Sebayang (Director of TPT Golf) and Francois Mordasini (Chairman and Co-founder) at a small table on the concourse outside the main exhibit hall. It’s likely we could have pooled the entirety of our Twitter followership and not cracked triple digits. Literally and figuratively, TPT’s presence sat beyond the periphery of the market and other than its co-branding efforts with David Ledbetter, it was just another new company with a semi-interesting story – not unlike dozens of other companies looking to gain some traction at the industry’s annual meat market and hob knob.

Chiefly, what TPT claimed to offer was a technologically superior production process which could create the most consistent shafts in existence – a bold position for a company which stuck a $700 price tag on a shaft without a typical PGA Tour profile. TPT’s first shaft – which Lydia Ko bagged in 2016 before signing her equipment deal with PXG – offered a mid-launch/mid-spin profile geared toward players with moderate swing speeds. At the time, TPT promised it would deliver a beefier shaft in late 2017.

It was a faith-based business plan, built around a proprietary process a decade in the making. TPT’s cutting-edge robotic technology worked in Formula 1 racing and was a dominant force in the competitive sailing market. Success led TPT to look for opportunities in other areas. “I wanted to see if I could make a golf shaft,” Francois told me.

At a fundamental level, the only necessary question to ask of any new product is, “Is it better? Does it offer some segment of players a performance benefit which doesn’t exist without it?”

There’s plenty of redundancy in the shaft market, which is illustrated by the reminder one industry veteran offered me…” There are only so many bend profiles (in shafts)” The salient point being while OEMs like to highlight what are often minute differences in specs, design or material usage, shafts invariably fall into one of several bend profiles, and shafts with similar profiles offer largely similar performance.

Other than LA Golf Shafts impending fractional ownership model, players aren’t compensated for shaft usage, so if there’s an opportunity for a new company to make inroads without fronting a bunch of cash to gain tour exposure, this is it. That said, just because it’s possible doesn’t mean it’s likely. There is also the primary challenge of gaining validation in a retail fitting environment because giving away product to tour pros doesn’t pay the bills. It’s a delicate balance – one which requires a product to win on both the launch monitor and on the course – and even then, there has to be a coherent marketing approach which gets the product into players hands and on a fitter’s wall.

It’s an uphill battle in all directions, but it can’t account for the serendipity of current world #1, Justin Rose bagging a TPT shaft en route to three worldwide wins in late 2017, including WGC-HSBC Champions in China and Turkish Airlines Open in back-to-back weeks. Several months later, Jason Day picked up a win at the Farmers Insurance Open with TPT shafts in both his driver and 3-wood. Most recently, wins #11 and #12 came courtesy of Bryson DeChambeau at the Shriners Hospital for Children’s Open and Hyowon Park at the KPGA A+ Life Hyodam Jeju Open. Including Singh’s aforementioned win in early November, that’s 13 professional wins and counting in less than two years.

That’s a hell of a tagline for an infant company which jumped head-first into the deep end of the pool dominated by Fujikura, Mitsubishi-Chemical and Project X.

Equally impressive is TPT’s quick ascent into the premium custom fitting segment of the market. In 2018, TPT increased its number of authorized U.S fitters from 24 to 75, 39 of which came via an agreement between TPT and Club Champion to carry TPT’s full line of shafts in each of its retail locations.

Internationally, Sebayang reported a 400%+ increase in the number of authorized fitters, from 25 to 136. In total, TPT started 2018 with 49 authorized fitters and will finish with 211, a figure which will continue to increase incrementally based on TPT’s growth estimates.

TPT’s rapid surge into the premium shaft market is remarkable by any metric, and if there’s a single message, it’s that TPT can give players like Justin Rose, Bryson DeChambeau, Jason Day and Patrick Reed something which they may not get from any other OEM.

NOT ALL RAINBOWS & UNICORNS:

Growing pains are inevitable. It’s the reason hindsight has perfect vision, and final papers are preceded by rough drafts. That said, at a certain point pain can become indicative of a larger problem, one which merits further investigation.

Depending on who you ask, TPT’s first generation of shafts either break at a rate high enough to justify steering clear of the brand entirely or symbolize the kind of bumps in an otherwise smooth road that invariably arises when a fresh brand tries to disrupt the status quo. As usual, the truth is likely somewhere in between.

For its part, TPT claims its 2018 failure rate is .06%, the vast majority occurring with lower torque models aimed at higher swing-speed players.  At face value, the number shouldn’t raise concern, however; the context always matters. When a tour pro snaps a shaft in front of a range full of fellow pros, it becomes less about the single shaft and more about how many others saw it happen.

At least one major club manufacturer declined to move forward with adding TPT to its upgrade catalog after the shaft reportedly failed its quality control checks, while a tour rep for another company told MyGolfSpy that he won’t let his players near TPT product.

While there’s plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest TPT shafts can offer performance benefits, many are taking a more cautious, wait and see approach while acknowledging the uniqueness of TPT’s process and what it could mean for the industry as a whole.

Hoyt McGarity, CEO of TrueSpec Golf, has some experience with the brand and has decided that until the durability issues are addressed, he’s sitting this one out. “We just broke so many of them,” McGarity told MyGolfSpy.

In this case “so many” is 9 or so shafts over several months, which again may not seem like a lot, but considering typical failure rates, the clientele with which McGarity tested TPT’s shafts and the environment in which the breakages occurred, it was a deal-breaker. Additionally, McGarity felt the ultimatum to carry all of TPT’s 16 different SKU’s was too big of an ask given the spotty track record.

That said, McGarity remains optimistic on TPT’s future because he sees what the product could become and by hiring credible industry veterans like Jeff Meyer as its Technical Director (30 years with Aldila and G Loomis) it’s clear TPT is working to find solutions.

At roughly the same time, TPT named Jon Sinclair as its US-based Technical Advisor. Sinclair and his team work with dozens of PGA Tour and Web.com Tour professionals, utilizing a variety of cutting-edge technologies (e.g. GEARS, AMM 3D, 4D Motion) to study how player’s motion patterns are impacted by different shaft parameters (weight, torque, balance point, profile). Sinclair believes TPT’s technology could permanently alter the shaft landscape.

“The consistency is a game-changer,” Sinclair told me, though he notes it’s far from a finished product. “If there’s a problem, I’m very straight with them.” Part of Sinclair’s role as an advisor is to provide objective feedback even when it means confronting some brutal facts. While he’s all about optimizing performance for elite players, he understands consistent performance only matters if players trust the product.

Durability is often a sacrifice made when pushing the limits of performance, and if there’s a fatal flaw in TPT’s first generation of shafts, it’s that the company didn’t accurately assess how its shafts would hold up under a wide range of conditions and higher than typical swing speeds.

To its credit, Sebayang reports TPT has made changes both in material structure (improved resin and a new nearly weightless layer of material) and its automated processes, which should improve the durability of its shafts.

“What’s most important at the moment are our quality control tolerances (increased by 200%), which involves both the continued refinement of our automated shaft manufacturing software and our proprietary machinery. We’re also working with an engineering school in Switzerland to develop a new machine to improve quality control. It’s something we’re creating from the ground up to allow us to “see inside” each of the shafts we create after production to ensure that they are perfectly concentric and homogenous.” – Sebastian Sebayang

Nick Sherburne, co-founder of Club Champion, admits there are some advantages to being the only major premium club fitter currently offering TPT’s full slate of shafts, though the durability issues haven’t gone unnoticed. Because of the current price point ($500) it’s not a high-volume item, and Sherburne was reluctant to give TPT any particular praise beyond its status as “another one of our high-end vendors.” He also suggested TPT would be wise to find a more cohesive approach in educating potential consumers on its proprietary and unique in the golf industry manufacturing process.

REASON FOR INTRIGUE & SKEPTICISM

TPT is a proxy for the argument that, in spite of the tight boundaries within which the USGA requires OEMs to operate, opportunities for performance improvements still exist through materials and processes which weren’t originally intentioned for the golf space. With new possible answers, however, comes a new set of unknowns.

TPT’s proprietary Thin-Ply Technology is a prime example. Unlike the standard table rolling method, TPT’s automated process can independently control every shaft parameter and hold it to exacting tolerances. Theoretically, TPT could produce custom fit, one-off shafts for individual players based on specific swing characteristics. Because other OEMs don’t have the same technology, the product is difficult to reverse engineer which creates a quandary for competitors. In the short term, it’s convenient to pick the low hanging fruit of early breakages as evidence the technology is unproven and thus far, unreliable. After all, it’s unlikely Justin Rose would swap his TPT shaft for Mitsubishi’s Tensei Orange after three wins at the end of 2017 unless there were a serious problem.

It’s not unusual for new technology to be less than perfect out of the gate. The industry consensus, even among some of its competitors, is that TPT will eventually crack the durability problem.

If that happens sooner rather than later and more top players like DeChambeau put the shafts in play and start winning with them, then what?  If that becomes more the norm and if TPT follows through on its guarantee of added distance, improved accuracy and unrivaled consistency for any significant percentage of golfers, the story becomes far more compelling.

Until then we’re stuck in this equipment purgatory where product failures are a bit like Regan’s differentiation between a recession and a depression which paints the former as “where your neighbor loses his job” and the later as “when you lose yours.”

It’s a problem, the magnitude of which depends on how close the individual is to the source – that is, if it’s a problem at all.

So where does TPT sit with consumers? Give us your thoughts.

A Response from TPT

After this story published, the team at TPT reached out and asked if we’d be willing to publish an Official Statment from the company. The request seemed reasonable enough as we actively encourage brands to engage with our readers. And so, here it is.

We would like to thank MyGolfSpy for its recent in-depth article on TPT Golf. Certain elements of the story are not what we’d like to see; however, the article highlights MyGolfSpy’s commitment to fair and detailed reporting of the golf equipment industry. We fully support their efforts.

While we can’t individually respond to the points of the article and the mounting article comments, we would like to take the opportunity to address questions related to the durability of our shafts.

Our company has never been more convinced of the merits of our patented shaft manufacturing technology. We believe that our automated, robot-driven process is the future of golf shaft manufacturing, and we say this because of the measurable improvement golfers across the world are seeing with our shafts.

It’s true that a small number of our shafts have broken over the last year. This issue has not been related to our technology, but rather our execution as we’ve scaled to meet growing demand. We know that any shaft breakage is unacceptable, and we’ve investigated each incident thoroughly. We’ll always keep evolving, improving, and responding with the necessary changes to improve our shafts just like we’ve done over the last two decades in other industries.

As the article mentions, very few people were aware of TPT Golf two years ago and how we had adapted our parent company’s technology to golf shafts after its success in other high-performance industries. We know what we’ve achieved since is incredibly rare and comes with both notoriety and scrutiny. We embrace all of it.

We also want our customers to know that we stand behind every golf shaft we make, and we will always replace a customer’s shaft should there ever be an issue.

Going forward, we’re going to continue to improve our current shaft lineup and bring innovation to new shaft categories. Our Authorized Fitters (retailers) are sticking with us because they know the power of our technology, and our products will be available to test on their walls.

Finally, we would also like to invite MyGolfSpy to become a part of our internal shaft testing program as we evaluate new prototypes. We know its team can help provide us with the deep, accurate feedback we need to ensure we’re creating the best performing shafts for all golfers and every club in their bag.

In our experience, golfers will never turn their back on something that can help them save a few strokes. We promise to continue to deliver golf shafts that allow them to do exactly that.

Sincerely,
Sebastian Sebayang
TPT Golf Director

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      Mark

      5 years ago

      I was getting fitted for a driver and I snapped a TPT shaft right in half after I hit the ball during the recoil!!!

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      Brent

      5 years ago

      They make a good product but one thing that is a little odd is they do swingweight very very heavy compared to other high end brands. I found that in many cases they are 2-3 SW points higher……So they are very tip heavy and almost reverse counterbalanced……Def need to watch the SW specs when trying these. But they def are great shafts

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      DL

      5 years ago

      Imagine if TPT reimbursed John Senden the money difference that he incurred taking the penalty when their product failed him. Does anyone know what that stroke cost him in real money?

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      dennis duncan

      5 years ago

      maybe if tpt made their shafts like paderson does, they could claim how great they are.

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      Rob

      5 years ago

      Another high quality, in-depth piece by MGS, nice job Chris. Also great class showed by MGS allowing the TPT response, and nice job by TPT in the answer, the addressed the issue head on and assured everyone they stand behind the product and things have improved going forward.

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      Ryan

      5 years ago

      Absolutely. Good on both ends here. I know that multiple guys in the shop have put these in play and can’t say enough good things about them. Even at our PUD price, I can’t justify the cost of putting one in compared to how much I’m able to actually get out, but I’ve been shocked at some of the results in testing.

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      Tony Covey

      5 years ago

      Just a quick note to those of you subscribed to the comments. TPT has issued an official response to our story which we’ve appended to the end of the article.

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      Andrew Han

      5 years ago

      You going to take the invite? Hope you write up about it.

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      Max

      5 years ago

      For $500 I think Accra makes a better product (made in Japan is always the best…) and is the shaft company people should be talking about instead as their quality control is on point.

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      Brandon

      5 years ago

      I own a TPT shaft and haven’t looked back since day 1; I did not notice a bump in distance, but I have the best control of my drive in years. I have not had issues with the shaft and would buy it again without question.

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      Neil

      5 years ago

      Excellent article! To be honest, I’m not a big believer that the shaft is the “engine” of the club; however…I’m an aerospace engineer and know that new materials are the engine of innovation so I’ll be watching this closely and will definitely spend the $500 if I get observably better accuracy AND distance but NOT just distance alone.

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      Mike Billings

      5 years ago

      So another Paderson shaft company. They went to a woven strand to build perfectly round shafts with no seam. A different solution to the age old problem of transferring power to the club head with little shaft deformation in transition. I use a TS-D1 in my 2017 M1 and get 250-270 out of the club all day long. Shaft lets you know when you’ve really flushed one. Considering a set of their iron shafts to re-shaft either a set of Bombtech irons or a set of TM Rocketbladez.

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      tom wasley

      5 years ago

      This shaft is interesting even in light of its breakage rate. I would like to know what the breakage rate is relative to the rest of the shaft manufacturers for the slower speeds, say less then 105 MPH. That is a big market, maybe the biggest market. If the TPT shaft could get down to the $250-$300 range they could possibly make some REAL money and keep their research going as they sell. There is clear evidence of real performance enhancement in this early product mix.

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      RB79

      5 years ago

      Great article that highlighted good and bad. Showed the brand recognized issues and aren’t smug to not do anything about it.

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      Mike

      5 years ago

      I’m one of the members of the test group from GolfWRX. I tried both the 15 series, and per the flight scope was swinging them 122 mph. No breakage issues during my fitting. They did mention that they had a new batch of shafts that they believed they had fixed most of the breakage issues with, and I was hitting from that batch of shafts. Great article, accurate, detailed, good work gentlemen.

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      Brad

      5 years ago

      TPT are going to be done for in the shaft business unless they very rapidly fix the issue with these shafts breaking so frequently, and in instances that get worldwide coverage and cost PGA Tour Pros strokes and money. The media coverage of Senden’s shaft breaking mid-swing at the Australian PGA may be the death knell for this company in the Golf industry. Not a chance would I spend a single dollar on a TPT shaft knowing it could possibly snap in half at any time. Not just money lost, but an actual safety issue on the golf course depending on when the shaft breaks during the swing and where it breaks. People have died from such things on the golf course in the past.

      http://articles.latimes.com/1990-07-18/sports/sp-845_1_royal-canadian-mounted-police

      https://www.nytimes.com/1994/07/11/nyregion/youth-killed-as-club-s-shaft-pierces-heart.html

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      Smogmonster

      5 years ago

      Get real… the article states that the shaft broke after striking a metal pole. Show me one shaft that wouldn’t do the same thing under the same circumstances. Make your link relevant.

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      Smogmonster

      5 years ago

      … and in the second link a shaft breaks after a kid slammed his club into a bench in a fit or rage. What a ludicrous association to TPT. Preposterous post.

      Brad

      5 years ago

      You get real. The fact is that a catastrophic failure of a golf shaft during a swing can cause serious injury. With current shafts, this does often happen after hitting something that shouldn’t be hit i.e. a pole, the ground, a football, your foot (looking at you Kevin Stadler), etc, but why would anyone really want to take the chance with shafts that are clearly prone to breakage?

      https://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/2018/08/19/golf-fan-hit-broken-club-kevin-stadler/

      Besides that, who wants a $500 shaft snapping in half mid-swing during a round, costing strokes and meaning you have no driver to use of the rest of your round (unless you carry a spare driver knowing your shaft is prone to break).

      So, yeah get real bud. Smogmonster seems a fitting name…

      Brad

      5 years ago

      p.s. I’ve also witnessed a driver shaft break during a swing just earlier this year. It snapped right at the point of impact a few inches above the hozel and the club head with a few inches of shaft went flying down the fairway about 70 yards. Fortunately, it didn’t go in anyone’s direction or hit the ground and bounce back. I have also had a driver shaft break right at the insert with the club head going half as far as the ball downrange. It happens, and using a shaft that makes it far more likely to happen and costs a mint is just the epitome of stupidity.

      Bwpage3

      5 years ago

      13 wins in 2 years? out of 100’s of tournaments in that timeframe? What shafts won the 100’s of other tournaments? Throw in the cost and breakage and 13 wins in 2 years isn’t anything special.

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      Rob H

      5 years ago

      Good article, as an owner of a TPT shaft I can attest to significant performance improvement in both dispersion and distance. The engineering team TPT is clearly on a learning curve and I applaud the guts to try a disruptive innovation in manufacturing. Their history suggests that the low torque problem will be solved soon until then I’ll grin with every one of my 100 mph swings.

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      Robert

      5 years ago

      Great Article. The easy thing to do is bash the company and say they suck and that their shafts aren’t worth the money. It’s a much more complex issue than that, and I’d be very interesting in finding out why they are having these issues. If a player is putting a swing count on the shafts and still using them, then it’s really intriguing at what this shaft is doing compared to others. I’d like to see it’s bend profile as well.

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      Dave Sanguinetti

      5 years ago

      I played AJ Tech shafts before there was a super ultralite obsession with many golfers. Al Jackson’s inventions and use of boron in the tip section allowed torque values approaching steel shaft levels when the industry norm was around 5*. Many tour players used AJ’s, and in the beginning we all(good amateurs included) suffered some breakage especially in the butt- usually in the trail hand or right in the middle of your grip. I never gave up because the shaft was just so damn good and gave me a competitive advantage- TPT will get it together, just like they have in racing and sailing. If I could afford the 500 per shaft I would have them in Driver and fairways!

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      Rob

      5 years ago

      Yeah but…where is AJ Tech shafts now?

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      Adam

      5 years ago

      wish the AJ’s were still around because it was by far the best shaft I have ever played… I would take it over my silver rogue all day everyday

      Corbin

      5 years ago

      I am planning on getting fit for a new driver in Jan and wanted to try some TPT shafts. I did not know about their failure rates so I am happy I came across this article.

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      Mike

      5 years ago

      I would like to suggest to TPT that they try this process at the most venerable breaking strain points in their shafts, i.e. the butt and housel ends, when under manufacturing process, they entwine a fine silk thread into the mix, silk is known for its strength and flexibility and lightweight foundations, and wont disrupt the overall weight of the shaft, Let me know how you get on TPT,?? I just might have saved your bacon

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      Brad Smith

      5 years ago

      There are only four shaft properties that matter. Weight. Bend profile. Torque, and for fitting purposes, Consistency. My favorite Tom Wishon quote regarding shafts: “There are only 2 kinds of shafts. Those that fit you and those that don’t.” Cost doesn’t determine what shaft is best for you. Your swing makes that determination.

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      SPYZINGER

      5 years ago

      Also, I’ve heard PX EvenFlow handcrafted is breaking at a decent rate too would be curious to see the numbers there…

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      Richard Branson

      5 years ago

      I caved the face in on two (2) TaylorMade Original One’s which were replaced at no charge. My playing companions laughed at me for trying the new technology. Now metal woods and graphite shafts are ubiquitous. Hopefully TPT will get this worked out and the shafts will become less expensive with incremental volume and competition.

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      Doug

      5 years ago

      Breakage at the tips along the hosel, yeah, I can understand, but the fact they’re breaking at the butt is harder to understand. I’ve never broken a shaft of my own, and the few I’ve seen were at the hosel or physically broken across the striker’s back on a bad follow-through.

      I’ve never seen these as shafts for the non-professional golfer, and whatever fringe benefits this shaft has over others is realistically only valuable to a Jason Day, who can also afford to rotate them on lifespan like extremely expensive hockey sticks.

      I hope that TPT figures their situation out, and that this doesn’t cost them their golf endeavors. These shafts will never be for a player of my caliber at their prices, but the R&D surely has value that will one day hopefully become more mainstream relevant.

      I’m glad to see that the company is doing right by owner’s to replace the broken shafts, but where this happens to a pro in play, I don’t know how you make that up them them short of offering them a projected payout for the lost potential earnings.

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      SPYZINGER

      5 years ago

      Great article Chris. They’re prototyping iron shafts on tour in 2019, it’ll be interesting to see how the durability hold up there.

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      Chris Nickel

      5 years ago

      From what I understand early performance indications on the iron shafts is very positive. Then again, the driver shafts have/had a similar story.

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      Rick Sanders

      5 years ago

      I hit this shaft and it feels awesome, wasn’t aware of the breaking issue, still will never drop 500.00 for a shaft.

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      Greg

      5 years ago

      I’ve been using the TPT shaft for over a year and it’s been everything that was advertised. Longer , straighter and more consistent. It’s not BS as one reviewer said above

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      Mark in LOL

      5 years ago

      I’d probably spend $500 for a shaft if it meant I’d no longer shank, chunk, or top my shots. Otherwise, I don’t think so.

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      Roger Nicol

      5 years ago

      Excellent article! New forms of product production can become wide spread with manufacturers. Costs will reduce with sales AND competition which will benefit the game of golf.

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      Daemon

      5 years ago

      As a recreational mid handicapper (13), it would be tough for me to drop $500 on a shaft. I have Aldila Tour Green nxt in my driver. About $90. I get about 260 yds and my 18 birdies app says I hit the fairway 68.4%. Is $400 difference worth improving on my driver stats? If the shaft broke, the Aldila goes back in the driver. Would that money be better spent elsewhere?

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      Realist

      5 years ago

      I’d spend your money somewhere else, and here’s why. You’ll only use your driver an average of 14x a round. About half as much as good golfers use a putter for instance. If you really want to spend that money somewhere, I’d spend it on a true fitting OR take some lessons to strengthen your weakness. I am a firm believer of keeping what works for you in the back. Most 13’ers would sell a body part to hit the FW 68% of the time and get 260 carry. I play an older Matrix Ozik that I paid $35 for. Does exactly what I think it will do and allows me to be repeatable. I dont care about distance when I’m hitting second shot from fairways or first cut.

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      Daemon

      5 years ago

      Realist, Thanks for the reply. I agree that money would be better spent elsewhere. I know that my biggest weakness is 60 yds in. My 18 birdies apps says I avg. 2.2 putts per hole. If my proximity to the hole was better on approach, I know putting avg would get better. That is going to be my focus next season. Thanks again

      Steve S

      5 years ago

      Keep pushing the limits of technology, I say. I may never buy a TPT shaft but their manufacturing tech may eventually transform an industry.

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      Bens197

      5 years ago

      Exactly.

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      Ben s

      5 years ago

      Sounds like some major bull shit. 700 dollar shafts shouldn’t snap under use….ever. I’d expect a complete replacement plus a new custom fitting session an wherever the shaft was fitted and purchased. I’d be so fing mad I don’t know what I’d do. An entire weeks pay for a shaft that breaks at a rate that is unacceptable. They’re selling point is the manufacturing technology and tolerances. LOL They’re claiming in this story they’re changing the process so shafts don’t break. Repeat all that back – process, material and tolerance sets them apart and to fix the shafts breaking they’re changing the process! Hahaha. So you ain’t got shit. You got the same material as everyone else and tolerances that are obviously off because shafts don’t break. To stop them from breaking they’re changing the only thing that allows them to charge so much damn money. Send them out of business. Bs

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      RJL

      5 years ago

      Look at the advancements in America’s cup the last 15 years, the “boats” are going faster than wind speed. Look at formula one, the long standing lap records with V10 and 12’s are falling all over the world. TPT is involved in both. And look at failures in both, pushing the limits leads to advancement. You don’t have to be an early adopter as you’ve made clear, but you will reap the benefits down the road.

      Also, in the article, their build process is different that any other shaft maker, so legacy shaft makers can’t copy them.

      I don’t own one or have anything to do with the company, but I do applaud and follow those that advance and push limits and are not afraid to fail and get back up and improve.

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      Regis

      5 years ago

      I own a number of premium shafts. Years ago I was an avid fly fisherman. High end fly rods especially light weight rods are expensive but also prone to breakage especially the tips. But it was a known risk in the sport (And forget handcafted bamboo rods). But after a while rod companies were forced to offer generous warranties. But it was eventually built into the price and expensive fly rods became even more expensive

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      Dave B

      5 years ago

      Outstanding, well-researched and well-written article. To me $500 shafts are a joke, but it’s a great tech story at any rate

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      Vas

      5 years ago

      Fantastic article. Very insightful. The manufacturers are having to think more and more out-of-the-box in order to get incremental gains within the rules, so it’ll be interesting to see where this goes. My last Senden snap was 25 years ago when most graphite driver shafts were garbage with swings over 110 mph. I personally would never invest in this product now… but add 2 years of double-digit tour wins and an industry-average fail rate… eh… never know.

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      Dave Richards

      5 years ago

      To be honest, I don’t give a rip about the pros, their needs or their comments. Not to be negative, but amateurs don’t have the same needs as pros. A $500 shaft is a joke, because no amateur needs it or can get the benefits from it that the pros claim to.

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      Chris Nickel

      5 years ago

      Dave – I’m not sure dismissing an entire segment of golfers is the most prudent approach. Some amateurs most certainly have the same/similar needs as tour pros and terms like “benefit” and “need” can be highly subjective and player dependent. If a shaft could provide you better accuracy and more distance than what’s currently in your bag, does skill level still matter?

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      TR1PTIK

      5 years ago

      I second this terrific reply! I don’t understand the thinking that ALL amateurs are the same and therefore have the same “needs”.

      Socal golfer

      5 years ago

      We have a member at our club with more money than sense who swears by TPT shafts. However, he has already broken one and when he heard about what Jason Day does with his shafts, he now only plays rounds with them. When he practices he pops in his old Mitsubishi shaft. Crazy, but thank God for adjustable drivers.

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      Doug

      5 years ago

      Socal,

      I’m guessing this guy either just has plenty of money and/or he’s a legit player, and I’m not judging either way.

      Just curious how changing shafts around like that gives him a proper workout or practice session. For me as a mid/highcapper, I can’t just change up shafts one day to the next and get the same results. I suppose the Mitsubishi is similar in profile, but then why not just use that if it gets the same results and there’s such a concern of breakage?

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      DL

      5 years ago

      Will we see the MGS testing on this soon?

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      10shot

      5 years ago

      Really, can you write about affordable golf products. This company takes golf in the wrong direction and should be shunned/

      Reply

      Chris Nickel

      5 years ago

      I have a feeling I’m going to end up repeating myself fairly often with this one, but the existence of more expensive products doesn’t preclude the availability of cheaper alternatives.

      With that, we do write about products at all different price points and one might argue that if/when TPT can sufficiently address the current issues, it might bolster the conversation around shaft manufacturing techniques. As such, what happens should this – or similar – technology lead to less expensive alternatives in the shaft market? Seems like that might be a long-term benefit, but you’re only reacting to what’s 6 inches in front of you.

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      Hunter

      5 years ago

      How is TPT handling returns on breakage? Are they standing behind their product and replacing it if/when it breaks?

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      Rob

      5 years ago

      All of the shafts that have broken on the GolfWRX testing thread were replaced by TPT and they did a fantastic job taking care of those people. These shafts really are pretty special and I hope they can get this durability issue worked out soon. I’d hate to see the problem of replacing all the broken shafts cause the company to go under before they can get it all worked out.

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      Jon

      5 years ago

      It seems a backwards approach to business to launch something to a market BEFORE sorting out its durability. If you charge a premium, it needs to be a premium product. And that means one that does not break. Selling a shaft that may be better but which is more likely to break is bad business and will ultimately destroy this business.

      Chris Nickel

      5 years ago

      Thus far all I’ve heard is that TPT has treated customers as expected given the situation.

      Casino Man

      5 years ago

      Please stop using the word “Indian” when referring to my people. We are “Native Americans”

      Reply

      Mike Hook

      5 years ago

      Casino Man, you are not Native Americans, that belittles your race, you are the True Indigenous Natives of America

      Reply

      Steven Lam

      5 years ago

      TPT shafts which my friend is playing seems good. Which shaft suits a slower swing speed say 83mph for driver?

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      Chris Nickel

      5 years ago

      TPT is adamant all players get fit to find the optimal shaft – The website does have guidelines and my hunch would be either 17 or 18 series, depending on load, release and what the player is looking to optimize.

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      TxGolfJunkie

      5 years ago

      This is a fantastic article about these high-end shafts. I see them more and more on TV, but rarely out on the course due to the high price tag. I don’t know if I’ve ever had a shaft break from a swing (might have struck a rock out of anger a few years ago but I digress…) but that Senden incident probably didn’t help TPT’s popularity. It’s one thing to have a pro break the shaft and go get a new one, it’s another when an amatuer has to fork over that much money only to have it break a few swings later.

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      10shot

      5 years ago

      Well said

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      dbj

      5 years ago

      I have had several shafts break in the same way as Senden’s, always very light, extra stiff shafts with low torque. My swing speed is much slower (102-105) but with lighter weight very stiff shafts the materials become brittle and a quick transition player causes stress in the shaft as the driver head changes direction quickly. This may be a case of asking the materials to do more than is physically possible, in other words there may be a limit to how light and stiff a shaft can be made and still support the forces created on a 200 gm driver head.

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      Brian Cass

      5 years ago

      Meh,

      Bobby Jones, Jack Nicklaus, Tiger at his best etc……..Indian more than arrow me says.

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      Bens197

      5 years ago

      Ahh, the good old days where Jack shunned the Fujikura Speeder in favor of TT X-100’s.

      Who could forget Tiger leaving at least a dozen strokes on the course at Augusta in 1997 when he was averaging 323 yards off the tee hitting a steel headed Cobra driver and didn’t hit more than a 7 iron into any par 4.

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      Danielle

      5 years ago

      Then why don’t you use persimmons and Balata balls? Technology improving is a good thing, and most of us aren’t Tiger Woods. I like what TPT is doing a lot – I tried their offerings at a recent Club Champion fitting but ultimately I hit a different shaft better. I appreciate innovation though and the approach is promising. Competition is always a good thing.

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      Gunter Eisenberg

      5 years ago

      Jones used Hickory to win majors, Jack and Tiger used steel shafts to win majors and last time I checked, those are a heck of a lot more durable and waaaay cheaper than those TPT shafts.

      Reply

      Vas

      5 years ago

      Gunther… give KBS some time. Maybe the $$++$$ iron shaft will retail at $99 a pop! ;-)

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