What A Difference a Shaft Makes!
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What A Difference a Shaft Makes!

What A Difference a Shaft Makes!

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Golf Gear Head’s Paradise

(Written By: GolfSpy Matt) – Recently, I had the opportunity to return to the gear head’s paradise that is Club Champion.  Fujikura offered to have me fit for any shaft in their line up, so I brought a driver that I liked, but no longer fit me, to see if we could breathe new life into it.  The results that I saw, and will share with you, prove once again how important it is to be fit and what a vital role the shaft plays in the golf club.

As usual, Nick Sherburne, Club Champion’s Master Club Fitter, was more than accommodating.  He allowed me to hit virtually every Fujikura shaft that he had, including his own personal X-Flex Tour Spec model (way too much shaft for my swing).  Getting to hit that many different shafts, all with the exact same head, really helps you to appreciate how much difference the shaft makes.  From one to the next, the balance may be totally different.  The bend profile, stiffness, weight, and torque make a huge difference as well.  Even though virtually everything I hit was in the 60 gram range in a stiff flex, there were dramatic differences in feel and performance.

Stiff Flex – Not All “S” Are Created Equal

One thing that many people don’t understand is that the shaft can influence not just the launch numbers, but how you swing the club.  I was recently testing a shaft that was a little too stiff for me, and the results were…ugly.  I could feel myself going after the ball 110% to try to load the shaft, and, as a result, I was peppering the OB stakes left and right.  Later in that test session, I tried another shaft that was meant for a smoother swinger.  While I’d love to be smooth, I’m just not.  Again, the results were nothing short of tragic: no distance, no control, no fun.  To wrap up the test, I brought back my current gamer, just to restore my faith in my own ability to swing the club.  I’m not going to say that I hit nothing but 300 yard lasers, but being in a shaft that worked with my swing made a world of difference.  The crazy part is that they are all labeled “stiff flex.”

So How Much Difference Did Custom Fitting Do For Me?

Alright, enough preaching, let’s cut to the chase: what did a custom fit Fujikura shaft do for me?  Nick ended up fitting me into a Fujikura Motore Speeder VC 7.0.  Compared to the shaft that was in the driver to begin with, I gained: 3.2 MPH of clubhead speed, 6.7 MPH of ballspeed, dropped my launch angle by 1.9*, dropped 900 RPMs of backspin, and lowered my descent angle 7*.  Some of you may be reading this and saying, “So what?”

Here’s the so what: I GAINED 18.5 YARDS OF CARRY AND 25 YARDS TOTAL.

Please Print This Out & Keep It In Your Pocket

Please print this out and keep it in your pocket.  The next time you have the urge to buy a club off the rack, take this out, and re-read the capitalized portion.  Then ask yourself, “Do I want to leave 25 yards or more on the table?”

Being fit for the right shaft is about SO MUCH MORE than “stiff or regular.”  I have been very lucky to have the opportunity to test many shafts for MyGolfSpy.com and also to go to places like Club Champion.  I’ve also been lucky enough to talk to knowledgeable people like Nick who have helped to educate me.  Having been given these opportunities, I feel that it’s my responsibility to share with you, the MGS readers, what I have learned about the value of true custom fitting.  I hope to hear many stories of MGS readers making similar gains.

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      Mark

      4 years ago

      Regarding driver heads: I have a R7 Taylor made 9.5 super quad driver with 32 grams of weight in the rear (16 gram weights on each side) and 28 grams of weight in the front (14 grams of weight on each side). I have a 65 gram Tour AD YSQ x-stiff shaft that I hit on average 270-280 yards. Seventy percent to eighty percent of my shots are in the fair way. I:m six feet three, 56 years in age.

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      russell foster

      12 years ago

      interesting article, I am interested in buying a Wishon 919thi 10.5 degree RH Head only.
      Do you mail to New Zealand?.

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      Hi Russell,
      Do not know if your question is directed at me or not but I’ll throw my 2 cents in anyway. Tom Wishon does not permit the sale of his equipment in component form by his dealers for a handful of reasons. I personally choose to honor his request to his dealers as I have so much respect for the man and his knowledge. There is a Wishon dealer in New Zealand.

      GOLF LAB

      MANUKAU CITY, NEW ZEALAND 2023
      Phone: 64092504237
      Email: [email protected]

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      KFlare

      12 years ago

      Have you hit PING’s stock TFC707 X (i20) or their TFC169 X Tour (G20)? They are pretty stout shafts. I’m sure some other companies must have options as well, but i picked out the equipment i follow the most…

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      Chris

      12 years ago

      I have hit both. The 707 feels much stiffer to me than the 169. I felt the 169 to be a little weaker than expected but I did like the 707. Niether of them give me the feel and stiffness that the Proforce V2 does. My only complaint about my V2 is that in the 86 gram weight I am exhausted after swinging it 100 times at the range.

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      shannon odom

      12 years ago

      I enjoyed reading the article as I am one of those people who can not hit anything they offer edwin watts or any other retail store. It took me spending alot of money and getting alot of bad advise to finally realize this. i am just a little upset at having to buy the 399 driver and then having to spend an extra 150 on an upgraded shaft. I am wondering why there isnt a company out there that tends to cater to people that dont swing at it like girls. I am punished because I have a swing speed that averages between 112 and 118. It seems all major oems care about is the weekend hack that goes at it at 85 mph. I just demoed the RBZ 3 wood and the fitter told me it would be best for me to wait on the tour X flex which the way they wont have in stock. He said the shaft would still be a little whippy but it would be better thean the regular X flex. This way I would only have to spend 329.99 instead of the upcharge for non stock.

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      Danie

      8 years ago

      This weekend hack swinging at 85mph will kick your butt any day and .
      Does a slow swinger make you a hack?
      Remember the woods are full of long drivers

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      EK

      7 years ago

      And I guarantee there are plenty of ladies who “swing at it like girls” who can beat you like a drum.

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      Chris

      12 years ago

      I wish I would have had a place like this close to me when I was shaft shopping. I was looking for a low torque and very stiff shaft to help with dispersion but would not cause sky balls or steal all of my distance. Being new to golf, everyone told me, “swing slower and you will be more consistent.” That is probably true, but I like swinging out of my shoes. I like seeing everyone in the group or at the range drop their jaws when I connect on one. My solution to the shaft shopping issue was to call or e-mail every shaft manufacturer that made a shaft that I thought would be close to what I need. After talking to many pro’s, tech’s, local good players, and some random people that had big swings, I decided to go with the Proforce V2 in 86 gram X-Flex. It is installed in a Geek Dot Com This head at full 46″ length so plays 47.5″ +/- and this thing is a bomber. I have never hit balls the way this thing hits. The way it sounds I got a little lucky with the shaft selection and I did spend a lot of time researching it but now I know I have a better, proven option next time. I do feel I am poitentially losing some distance because of the ultra low torque (1.8) but it is long enough for now as I continue to refine my swing and gain more swing speed. Does anyone know who near St. Louis would do this shaft fitting service? Thanks

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      Nick Sherburne / Club Champion

      12 years ago

      To answer a main question on this thread about indoor and outdoor fittings. We do now 90% of our fittings indoor. We like the sterile environment to work in, outdoors has many aspects that tinker with the results. A good fitter can interpret a players swings and numbers inside and translate it to outside playability. That being said many of my scratch and touring players will take the club for a test run outside before we build the actual product. For me it is a formality, but I understand at the end of the day you must feel comfortable with what you are buying and playing so if taking it out after the fitting is needed, we have no problem with that. Also at Club Champion we have a 100% satisfaction guarantee, so if something does not perform the way we said it would, we will work with you till it is right. All good fitters should do that. If you can prove it during the fitting, then it should play like that after the club is built.

      Thanks – Nick

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      Mainuh

      12 years ago

      Matt – I read your post and like everyone here am astonished by the results and would obviously like to experience the same though.
      I’ve read through the posts but can’t find answers to the following.
      1. You brought in your own driver but what driver ?
      The reason I am asking is that mine (Powerbilt Air Force) does not have the ability to switch out shafts – Am I correct in assuming that yours did ?

      2. Say you want to keep your current driver.
      Can you still go through a similar fitting with a completely different driver and expect the same results with that best performing shaft switched out to your own driver ?

      Thanks – rob

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      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      Rob,

      Thanks for reading, and for the questions. Here are the answers:

      1) The driver in question was a Ping, so it did not have the ability to change out shafts. Club Champion uses the Club Connex system so that they can put any shaft that they carry into any head that they have.

      2) Tough (and good!) question. If I wanted to put this new shaft into a different head, there are definitely some things I would still like: balance, weight, the way it flexes/loads, etc. Whether or not it would give me the same performance benefits…hard to say. I will send this question over to the guys at Club Champion and see if they can post an answer for you and explain how they would handle that situation.

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      Nick Sherburne

      12 years ago

      Rob,

      We carry all the major branded drivers to test shafts on. In most cases it is a head and shaft combination that makes the whole thing work. If you were only interested in the shaft we would have to do take your driver and install a connex in to it to truely get the right fit.

      Thanks – Nick

      R. P. Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Rob, obviously Matt has the professional experience & is much better qualified to answer your question than I, who has none..What caught my attention is that you mentioned the Powerbilt AFO as your driver..I play the Powerbilt N7 AFO Air Foil 2 Tour, with the N7 AFO Air Foil 1 Tour as my back-up..If you play the tour model, they come stock with two very nice shafts(Air Foil 1 w/Fujikura E350 & AF2 w/Fujikura Motore F3), though my shaft preference is the Aldila RIP Alpha S..The head that I tested the shaft with was the Adams 9064LS w/DFS(the adjustable model)…It’s not an apples to apples comparison, & as I’ve stated, my fitting was a “no-numbers” fitting, so I was looking @ feel & ball flight..Matt stated some important numbers that you’ll want along w/frequency, torque & launch properties..I used the 9064LS because that’s the driver that the AFO Tour was replacing..When I had the PB head fit to the shaft, I was very happy..Another important number is tip diameter..If they’re are not the same size, you can size up (from 0.335 to 0.350), though you can’t go the other way.I hope that this was of some assistance…Fairtways & Greens 4ever…

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      R. P. Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      To take the “fudge factor” out of it, if the fitter had access to a connex device, they could install that..As mine was a “no-numbers” fitting, I didn’t have access to that…Fairways & Greens 4ever…

      Jason

      12 years ago

      Was this an outdoor fitting where you could see real ball flight, or just on a machine of some sort?

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      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      Club Champion does do some outdoor fittings when the weather is better, but primarily they are indoor fittings with Trackman

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      KFlare

      12 years ago

      For my latest driver shaft, I was assessed by an experienced fitter on an open range with no launch monitor. Just by watching my swing/ballflight he put me in a shaft that feels great and I think it performs great for me on the course, but I’ve never been sure that it’s 100% optimized without seeing the numbers. Has anyone else gone through a “no-numbers” fitting and have results/opinions to share? Did you feel it worked out well?

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      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      I haven’t been through a “no-numbers” fitting, but I have done a few. The major difference is how precise the fit can be. For example, without numbers, I can tell someone that they are launching it too high/low or spinning it too much/not enough, but only if the problem is visible. If it’s within a certain acceptable range, it’s impossible to know. 2600 RPMs of spin looks pretty much indistinguishable from 3000. 14* of launch looks darned close to 16*. At some point my eye just isn’t good enough to see the difference.

      One good thing about getting rid of numbers is that the player is more apt to focus on the feel of the shaft, which is important.

      Ultimately, if you’re getting the performance that you want on the course (where it matters), then it was a good fit.

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      R. P. Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      The only fittings that I’ve ever had have been “no-numbers” fittings..I used an experienced Pro/Fitter who was very familiar with my swing from a teaching/playing perspective & he would basically have me hit 3-4 shafts & I would pick the one that felt/flew the best…I’m not going to get into my distance numbers, though I had complete faith in him..He was my teacher/fitter when I got to a +2, & while I obviously didn’t have the numbers to compare against, in my mind I had complete confidence that I was getting everything I could out of every club in my bag…Could I have squeeked out a few more yards if I’d have had a “numbers-fitting”?..I don’t know, though I’m probably not the best person to answer that..Also, all of my fittings have taken place either on the practice tee(outdoors) or on the course..Matt had a great comment about not focusing on the numbers…That was this pro’s biggest point..He felt that you would know, with his assistance, when you had the correct club/shaft, because it would “feel” right & the ball flight “would tell the story”..He used to joke that the only numbers that he cared about were the ones that went in the box on the card…His students ran the gamut from tour pros & Walker Cuppers to beginers & chops…Unfortunately, he passed away last year, and he & his type are a dying breed(no pun intended) so I’m sure that my next fitting will be “by the numbers”…Fairways & Greens 4ever….

      Justin

      12 years ago

      Just another point: when you’re out on the course and you only have one shot at hitting the fairway with the best swing possible at that time, are you really going to realize “Oh, dang… that was only 13* LA and 3,000rpms instead of 14* and 3,500rpms… that wasn’t an optimized drive even though it was straight and sitting pretty”. There’s a reason people like former USGA Technical Director Frank Thomas calls them “Launch Monsters”.

      R. P. Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Justin, I can only speak for myself regarding testing shafts on the course w/my pro/fitter, though I never did this during a comptetative(or any round with partners) round…We would grab a cart & jump from hole to hole, depending on play traffic & what type of shot(distance, lie, etc..) I wanted to hit & see how the shaft/club reacted..The great thing is that the club that I play out of is hilly & there’s usually a breeze/wind, so across 18 holes I’m going to be able to see the shaft/club’s reaction to this wind, from every direction.. .I realize that not everyone will have this kind of environment in which to test their shafts/clubs, & you bring up an excellent point regarding playing for score & also evaluating shafts/clubs..It wouldn’t work..I realize now just how forunate/lucky that I was to have a teacher/fitter like I had for the past 32 years..The cliche, “You never realize & appreciate what you had until it’s gone” is so true..I’m really not looking forward to my next fitting…Fairways & Greens 4ever…

      Bob

      12 years ago

      On the other end of the spectrum, I also think putter fitting is just as important, as a driver fitting, and definitely the most overlooked club in terms of fittings. Today you can usually get people to be fit for their driver, and MAYBE their irons, but rarely do you even hear of people getting fit for their putter. I would probably put a putter fitting one line above the driver on the list of which order to be fit for your tools.

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      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      Excellent point. The problem with putter fitting is that there is much less (or at least less known) science behind putting. There are a million philosophies, but there are not a lot of people with the research to back up their claims. As a result, putter fitting can be hit or miss. A driver fitting is pretty darned easy: find the combination that makes ball go far. Putter fitting…less so.

      If you do want to talk to a guy who has the facts and research to back up his words, I would strongly recommend my putting coach, Bruce Rearick. You can read his blog at: http://www.bargolfinstruction.blogspot.com/

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      Bob

      12 years ago

      True, there are many philosophies on putting. But I think the most indisputable aspect of putter fitting is AIM. If you cant aim your putter, it’s going to be hard to hole one!

      I have good luck with my putter, by have a fitting planned out with an Edel fitter in Denver this spring. I truly think they are the force to be reckoned with when it comes to putter fitting.

      Kyle

      12 years ago

      I actually just got fit for a new driver last night and here’s my story. My fitter first took the specs of my current ‘off-the-rack’ driver (Ping G15, 10.5*, stiff flex). The first thing that shocked me was that my 10.5* driver was actually a 13*-13.5* driver with a .25* closed clubface. This was not news to my fitter, he’s seen it over and over. He also noted the club weight, swing weight, tip flex, butt flex and mid flex, and then on the launch monitor; swing speed, ball speed, launch angle, descent angle, carry, roll, smash factor. After having all that input into his computer, he had a excel sheet that had over 600 shafts in there and all their specs, aldila, graphite design, TFC, graffalloy…all of them. What he did was take the tip flex, mid flex and butt flex and manually input what he wanted those to be and it narrowed it down to about 4-5 shafts that were within that search. He put me in a Wishon 919TH driver head with a 70g Accra Dymatch RT S2 Stiff. The results? My smash factor was up from 1.37 to 1.46, huge. Lowered my backspin by about 700 rpm, gained an avg. of 15 yards in carry and 10 yards in roll. And really increased my overall accuracy. He’s now ordering me a handpicked 11* driver head that is 1* closed from Wishon. This means that an employee at Wishon will manually find a clubhead with those exact specs. Also, now that he has my driver specs, he can fit me for any other wood now or in the future.

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      Bob

      12 years ago

      Kyle – I play an 11° 919THI driver myself and LOVE it! There are a couple theories out there as to the discrepancy in advertised versus real loft on driver heads….

      One is the normal manufacturing tolerances are usually +/- 1°, which means your 10.5° Ping could naturally be measured anywhere from 9.5° to 11.5° and still be “in spec”. Although in your case, your head was +3° from spec, which leads to…..

      Other says that the manufacturers know that people, especially men, won’t let their ego play a driver that has 11°, 12° or so stamped on the sole. As well as knowing that a very large majority of players would benefit from more driver loft. So they purposefully label the head with a lower loft than what it really is. I’m not saying this is so, but there are MANY out there who believe this.

      Enjoy your new driver! I do believe that you will come to love Wishon’s products!

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      Kyle

      12 years ago

      Bob, that’s the EXACT same thing my fitter said. He calls it the ‘testosterone effect’. Guys see tour playing 8.5*-9.5* drivers and think they can play them the same way tour players do, so that’s what they buy. In reality, more loft = more distance. Mfg.’s know this and, like you said, label that head with a lower loft. I was told they prefer these tolerances to be higher loft as opposed to less.

      That’s why I started playing a 10.5*, or what I though was 10.5*. Turns out I was playing a 13* driver and never knew it. I wasn’t hitting a higher than normal trajectory, so I was none the wiser.

      As far as the mfg. tolerances, I don’t think this is a theory. No golf mfg. can be that exact with building every club head. My fitter actually kept track for a while of the Ping drivers that people brought it to him, most were 1*-3* higher than stamped, a few were 1*-1.5* less than stamped and only one or two were right on.

      As far as the Wishon head, I was easily sold on it. I like the look and the feel and the results speak for themselves. I can’t wait to see the results on the course. And the fact that he’s having Wishon hand pick my head to match my me, is even better. My friends will probably make fun of me for playing something they’ve never heard of (in fact, I know they’ll say I’m playing a Wilson knock off), but I’m looking forward to kicking their butts.

      Bob

      12 years ago

      Yeah, the tolerance thing is no theory, just reality. If every club head was built to be right on spec, I don’t think we would be able to afford them! :)

      I play Wishon, Maltby, and Bobby Jones (Jesse Ortiz) clubs for the most part. One day, a guy in our group saw the hybrid I had in my hand and asked “what the hell is a Maltby??” I said “it’s not a what, it’s a who, and he prefers to be called Ralph!”

      I’ve been called cheap more than once (well, almost every weekend) for not playing Ping or TaylorMade or whatever box store clubs. But I sure do love splitting fairways and outdriving those same guys with my “cheap” clubs! :)

      Enjoy!

      KFlare

      12 years ago

      Another note on tolerance is the measurement method. Due to the roll of the face, even measurement variation on the same club can be as high as +/-0.5* depending on the equipment and the skill of the measurer!

      Good Morning Gents!
      I “got wind” of this blog, read it, and thought I ought to clear a few things up quickly. I am the club fitter that fit Kyle. It was a real pleasure working with him. We had a lot of fun as well as being all business.

      The list of heads that he mentioned that have been measured over time in my shop indicating how “off” the lofts were, were NOT Ping only. Ping, like others, makes great equipment! No doubt about it! Whether the club “fits” you though, is another story. My apologies if you misunderstood me Kyle. This loft tracking list I have covered ALL heads measured in my shop, which includes Ping, TaylorMade, Titleist etc. I get OEM heads in from golfers all the time, that are spot on in terms of loft too. It is just a rarity for ANY head coming through the door to be the loft you think it is. Don’t sweat 1* as most Amateurs do not have a consistent enough swing for it to be an issue. Your angle of attack (AOA) and dynamic loft (head loft at impact) are huge factors contributing to your launch angle and spin.

      Most heads made today all have an .830 COR. Nowadays, CT Time is used to measure heads, not COR, but the results are basically the same, just measured differently. Point is …….. if you strike the center of the face EVERY TIME, with the same identical shaft, ASSEMBLED THE SAME WAY, most results will be quite close regardless of the head manufacturer.

      The issue, in my opinion, when fitting the head, is what kind of result do you get when you MISS the center of the face a bit? Optimal loft, face angle, head weight, length, shaft design and flex, etc, are assumed. This is where the Wishon 919THI excels. I have been playing the 919 since they came out and 8 out of 10 wood fittings I perform, the golfer excels with this head, with the right shaft, at their optimal length, weighting, etc, when they miss “on center”. All the forgiveness of a square head without the funky look or sound! When you miss a little, you still get a higher ball speed and smash factor, compared to most any other head on the market, whether it be OEM (original equipment manufacturer, Ping, Nike, etc) or OED (original equipment design, Wishon, Alpha, Infiniti, etc). Stay away from clones and knock offs. You may get lucky once in a while.

      Regardless of the manufacturer’s specs, you will find lofts anywhere from 1/2* lower lofted to 2* higher lofted, sometimes even 3* higher, regardless of what is stamped on the bottom of the head. The tighter the manufacturing specs, the greater the head cost. Remember most of the OEM’s are on the Stock Exchange and have share holders to please and Execs that want to keep their jobs.

      “Loosening” the loft specs a bit generally creates a Win-Win. I cannot say for sure that this is intentional, I am only commenting on actual results with the final products I see in my shop. The result? The company makes more money and most (not all) golfers get better performance as generally, most play too low of a loft anyway. When you do well with your 9* or 10* stamped driver, your ego (testosterone disease) is satisfied, and your club is performing well because you are probably hitting an 11* or 12* ……… everybody wins!

      Where I see an issue is when a golfer goes to a demo day and gets what I call a “Pixie Dust” fitting ……. if you do well with a certain driver … for gosh sakes, buy THAT club! Do expect to receive the identical club if ordered. Oh you might, but do you want to take that chance? At the demo day, you could be hitting a demo that says 10.5* and it’s actually a 12* or 13* with a 1.5* closed face angle, and you do well. You order a 10.5*, and the one that arrives is actually a 10* to 10.5* and has a 1/2* open face angle. On average, every 1* of face angle change equates to moving your ball flight 5 yards left or right, per 200 yards of carry. Your new “ordered” driver is launching 2* too low, costing you carry distance (you cannot control roll due to turf conditions), and your ball flight is 10 yards further right, more often, than the driver you “demo’d”.

      Just some food for thought and I didn’t want anyone to think that all Ping head lofts were out of control. They, and others, make fine equipment! All companies have higher tolerances, I just choose to work with companies that have proven results and can provide me equipment that meets the needs/specs that the golfer requires, to perform optimally most of time. You still need to execute a semi-repeatable swing!

      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      Kyle: Great story, thanks for sharing. Sounds like you found a great club fitter. Care to share who this person is and where he is located, so other MGS readers in your area might benefit?

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      Kyle

      12 years ago

      I’d love to. His name is Bill Weitzel. He owns and operates Conquest Custom Golf in Hamilton, Ohio ( http://www.conquestcustomgolf.com ). He’s a Golf Digest Top 100 Club Fitter (probably in the top 25 or higher, imo), AGCP Level 10 Club Fitter and many other certifications under his belt. His fee is very reasonable compared to other fitters and HE IS GOOD!!! He knows his stuff and to him, fitting is an exact science. I was very fortunate to find him so close to me.

      Vince

      11 years ago

      Just curious, what was the cost involved? I have CB2 Adams Irons (4 – GW) – $800.00, Taylor Made Burner Super Fast 2.0, stock shaft,10.5 degree Titleist Vokey 54 & 58 degree, Adams V4 rescue 3, and a Taylor Made RBZ 3 wood, stock shaft, odyssey white hot putter……Just thinking, maybe wise to just get a new shaft on my Burner. Three kids, mortgage, etc. at some point, regardless how much money I make, you have to draw the line. How much was all this custom fitting?

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      Matt

      11 years ago

      Vince, at Club Champion a Full Bag fitting is $350. After that, obviously purchasing clubs on top of that is your choice after getting a sheet that shows all of the optimal clubs for you.

      What you’re paying for is really 4 things that we feel differentiate us:

      1. Technology: We use Trackman and SAM PuttLab. These are incredibly expensive pieces of equipment but we do it to get the DATA right.
      2. Demo equipment: We have, at last count, 15,000 combinations on the wall to hit. Contrast that with a fitting cart or a staff bag full of demo clubs.
      3. Our Experts: Our fitters average more than 8 years fitting experience. I dare say the other places are a fraction of that. Also, it’s not just reading numbers and saying “you’re spinning it too much, try this”…there is an art to this. Getting someone off the toe…do you add weight or use less weight? These are the things we spend time working through, and by time I mean a driver fitting is an hour and a half – 2 hours.
      4. Precision building: We build it one-by-one…hit the length, lie, loft, swing weights, SST PURE, etc, to make sure that club is what you paid for.

      Now…can you find some places that maybe have one of those things? Or two? Maybe. But if you find someone with some real fitting talent, does he have access to 15,000 clubs or have a SAM Puttlab? Do they just order and have them built elsewhere? If you’re missing any of those four are you sure you are going to have the confidence when you tee it up…that’s the question.

      At the end of the day, your statement of “you have to draw the line” is up to each individual. If it’s worth it to you to put in the time and investment to get the right equipment from everything that is out there, and have it built to the exact spec, then that’s great. If it’s not, then that’s fine too. High end fitting is not for everyone, the only thing we want to try and do is educate people to how we do it vs. how it’s done elsewhere and let the golfer decide.

      Victor

      12 years ago

      Should a high handicap person get fit for clubs? Does practicing with the un-fitted clubs hurt you?

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      Bob

      12 years ago

      Victor – I believe that it is even more important for a high capper and/or newer players to be fit for their equipment to allow them to play their best.

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      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      Short answer: Yes. There’s no reason why anyone, regardless of experience or handicap level, should be playing clubs that don’t fit their body. If your clubs are too long/short or too upright/flat, you could be adjusting your swing to fit the clubs. That is not a recipe for success.

      Now, do beginners need the level of fitting that a Club Champion offers? Perhaps not. They might wish to wait until they have a more consistent/better swing (through LESSONS) to spend the money for a top tier fitting and clubs.

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      Victor

      12 years ago

      Thanks! I was just thinking how would I be able to fit for the right clubs, if I don’t have a consistent swing. I guess as a beginner, I can just go into any pro shop and they should be able to help me to fit clubs.

      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      Victor,

      Yes, definitely get fit. And keep in mind that just because you’re a beginner does not mean you don’t deserve good service and a good fitting. Ask the fitter about his training, experience, etc. Ask him to explain what he’s doing and why. If he doesn’t know or doesn’t want to explain, find another fitter.

      andrew

      11 years ago

      i agree totally. if a guy is treating high handicappers/newbies like dirty laundry, make sure you dont make the arrogant snob “your” guy.

      R. P. Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      One answer for both of your questions: ABSOLUTELY!!…The Best….Fairways & Greens 4ever…..

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      Justin

      12 years ago

      There isn’t a “true” magic shaft out there. There’s this huge misconception about it, like it’s a magic wand. Matt may have gained 25y, but it wasn’t just because of the shaft. His old shaft wasn’t doing it’s job, sounds like it was because of an improved swing. Put one in- built to his specific specs- and he was taking full advantage of the head hitting the ball square. If they took that same shaft and built it too long, or used the wrong flex and/or weight, or made the grip too big he wouldn’t have seen near the same gains- if any. Obviously, if a different head with different specs were used with the same shaft, the results would’ve been different.

      And THAT’S what’s most important: the club as a whole (AKA: getting properly fitted). The shaft’s only job is to allow you to bring the clubhead back to square in a repeatable manner, which allows you to take full advantage of the head’s COR. You HAVE to get the loft, length, flex, grip size, face angle, swing weight and total weight of the club correct, regardless of what shaft is offered. It also goes without saying even the fitting isn’t a magic cure-all: if you have a severe outside-in swing with an open face at impact… a fitted club can help kind of mitigate it (and NO shaft will save it); only lessons will cure it.

      You’re probably wondering: how does this jack@ss know? Personal testing! I’ve been using the Acer XF w/ QuickFit since it debuted. I coupled it with shafts gleaned from a cross-reference between Maltby’s Shaft Playability Factor and Hireko’s Dynamic Shaft Fitting Index, plus a few others that aren’t on either list. These in the “other” category were far-reaching: different flexes, heavier/lighter weights, or shafts that, according to spec data, shared traits with those from the original lineup. The grip was the same: Star Grip’s Sidewinder model (love that grip, and it’s made in the US if you’re into that); all the grips I used were within .6g of each other, +1/64″ over in the top hand, standard in the bottom. The results for those in the cross-reference were the same. I struggled with the off-weighted models and those of the “X” flex… except for the ProLaunch, non-Axis, Platinum in X flex. And yes, I’m still working on this… it’s a struggle finding time, especially the last 6 or so months, to really hash out the details into something truly intelligable and not this late night diatribe. If this were my one and only job, oh yeah I could hammer this out MUCH faster… but it isn’t. HeIL, I’m not even getting PAID for this- I’ve paid for everything out of my own pocket!

      Sorry, but it’s 4:30a where I’m at, but I’ve got to be awake in another 2.5 hours… if this doesn’t make sense, or just upsets you, sorry… I’ll try to come back and clean it up later.

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      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      You make a number of good points: the right shaft is not the only thing involved in the fitting. For the purposes of this fitting, it was the only variable since A) I know my specs and B) the fitting was being offered through Fujikura.

      That said, for someone who doesn’t know their specs, they should absolutely work with their fitter to find out the best length, lie, face angle, grip size, swing weight, etc for them.

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      Justin

      12 years ago

      Too bad there’s no “thumb’s up” symbol, or I’d give you one!

      R. P. Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Justin, good read..Fairways & Greens 4ever….

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      Blstrong

      12 years ago

      First comprehensive fitting experience for me last Friday. Pretty eye opening. 1.5* flat? Who knew? Had my best results with Pings?! Would never have guessed it. Turns out my trial and error method wasn’t really working all that well. It can be tiring and overwhelming, but is well worth the time and effort.

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      Richard P. Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Matt, nice article..I hope that this piece gets the attention that the TM articles have becaus this is much more critical to everyone’s game..Let’s hope they listen..Excuses are dime/dozen, though if you make the decision that you’re gonna get @ least your driver(it’s a start) fitted, not only will your distance/accuracy improve, as Matt has said in other posts, the game will also be so much more enjoyable..+15-20 yds more distance & more smiles..Good combo..Fairways & Greens 4ever…

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      Richard P. Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      because…I gotta figure out how to activate this friggin spell check…seriously….Fairwyas & Greens 4ever…

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      mike

      12 years ago

      It’s a great message you are promoting and one we endorse here at Midland Golf. The OEM’s are misleading people with some of their marketing. In particular TM and Calaway they promote head technology and ignore the shaft when they should pay more attention to fitting their customers with something other than “R” or “S” flex. The connex connectors can be had from Hireko by the way.

      Reply

      John Barba

      12 years ago

      Going to get fit this Wednesday – it’s a first for me, but after all the $$ I’ve spent on clubs the past few years, it’s way past time! Looking forward to the experience and what they can do for my game…

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      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      pkielwa: I certainly understand that not everyone lives very near a club fitter, but as Bob and Frank said, they are out there.

      Also, based on my experience, most people aren’t aware of the benefits. That’s why I want to share experiences like this one. When more people are aware of what custom fitting can do for their game, there will be more demand for it, and, thus, more custom club fitters.

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      Bob

      12 years ago

      pkielwa – A agree with Frank. Even here in Northern Colorado, I have access to about a dozen well stocked custom fitter/builders that are within a 1-1/2 hour drive of me.
      Even if it’s a full day trip, or make a long weekend of it, it is still well worth your time to find someone close.

      Here are a couple of links that might help you find someone nearby:

      http://www.clubmakersguild.com/index.php/member-directory/member-directory

      http://www.agcpgolf.com/locator/

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      Frank

      12 years ago

      pkielwa

      Note sure where you live but even if it’s a 3 hour drive if you play enough it’s worth the effort. i am lucky that I have one within 45 minutes of me here in philadelphia. the guys ate george Izett have a nakashima fitting system which is a quick change system and they use nakashima heads which are ridiculously expenses but they will gladdly add you preferred (prucahses) head into the shaft and put the numbers to the test again ontheir monitor when you pick up the club. although I liked the nak head I wasn’t dropping 7 and a half bills ona new driver I added the matix X con 7 to my 9064 ls adjsutabele head and i woul dhave to say I gained at least 15 – 20 yards to my previous “fitted” driver

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      pkielwa

      12 years ago

      Only one problem: the majority of golfers don’t have access to fitters like this. “Getting fit” for me is reduced to what the rep has in his stock shaft offerings at demo days. If we all had access, I truly believe it would be more commonly performed!

      Reply

      Justin

      12 years ago

      http://www.agcpgolf.com/locator/

      See if that helps you.

      Reply

      Dustin

      12 years ago

      When they were swapping out different shafts into your driver head, what method were they using? I can’t imagine that they were regluing it each time. Did they have a quick-connect system they were using to go back and forth between shafts?

      I’m asking because I’m planning on doing some of my own experimentation and was curious what systems are out there for quick swaps to look at performance differences.

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      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      I believe the system they use is called Club Connex.

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      Peter Ciambrone

      12 years ago

      So true, amazing how many of my knucklehead friends still buy off the rack or eBay, I always say you would never just buy a pair of prescription glasses or contacts without getting examed by an eye dr, treat your golf game/ equipment the same.

      Reply

      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      Great analogy, Peter!

      Reply

      Bob

      12 years ago

      My analogy has always been “you wouldn’t marry a woman sight-unseen, would you?” I like Peter’s too, a little more PC! :)

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