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Is “PUREing” A Shaft Worth It?

To pure or not to pure? That is the question. Or the less esoteric version: Should I get my shafts pured?

I’d bet a nice steak dinner that many of you are thinking, “I don’t even know what that means.”  I hear you. Hang tight.

Is a reasonable expense? That’s a common query from our readers. Particularly if the discussion leans towards boutique clubfitters or the differences between buying clubs off the rack or having a set custom fitted.

But before we can answer the question, let’s start with a common definition.

SST PURE – What is it?

The textbook definition might read something like this: A process by which a specialized machine locates the optimal (most stable) orientation of a shaft.

The premise is that every shaft is neither perfectly round nor perfectly straight. As such, the SST PURE system can analyze a shaft to find the neutral axis, the most stable bending plane. From there, the thinking is that once installed in its optimal orientation, a more stable shaft leads to improved distance and consistency.

You might have also heard terms such as “spine-ing” or “FLO-ing”. Without getting too far into the weeds, both terms are related but not necessarily the same as SST PURE. Spine-ing deals with locating the spine in the shaft and installing the shaft so the most consistent bending position is pointing directly toward or away from the target line.

FLO-ing is similar but the process is a bit different. The goal is to orient the shaft in the head such that it achieves flat-line oscillation (FLO). To accomplish this, clubmakers use a vice, +/- 200-gram drill chuck and possibly a laser. In fact, Golfworks has specific FLO tracer devices designed for this process. From there, a horizontal load is placed on the shaft and, when released, the shaft oscillates back and forth. If the movement creates an oval pattern, the shaft isn’t in an ideal position. Once it oscillates on a single plane (flat line), the shaft is ready for final installation.

Pros

SST PURE proponents will cite internal and several third-party studies that show clear evidence of improved accuracy (dispersion) and distance. There’s also plenty of anecdotal evidence from golfers who testify to better performance after switching to PURE’d shafts. Hearsay isn’t exactly statistically significant data but plenty of golfers make purchasing decisions on far less.

Moreover, the concept is entirely believable. It makes sense that even the most advanced shaft manufacturers can’t make a perfectly concentric shaft. And if every shaft exhibits some level of inconsistency (even the uber-expensive ones), then it might also make sense to invest a bit more to ensure you’re getting optimum performance.

And while it’s an additional cost (typically $25 to $40 per shaft), the extra couple of hundred dollars might not have the same sting if you’re already investing several thousand in a new set.

Though less compelling, SST PURE would also point out that “almost $2 billion” has been won on the PGA TOUR by players “who have had SST PURE their shafts.”  That said, it isn’t clear how much money has been won by players who haven’t had SST PURE their shafts over the same period.

Cons

When golfers buy a dozen balls or a new wedge, they know exactly what they’re getting for a given price. With a service like SST PURE, the deliverable isn’t as clear. And that additional bit of mystery leaves plenty of room for criticism.

Additionally, fitting institutions such as Club Champion, which purchased SST PURE in 2019, likely won’t disclose the exceptionally friendly profit margins of what amounts to a rather minimal “per use” licensing fee. From a business standpoint, high-margin products/services that are easy to up-sell tend to find favor with C-suite executives.

It’s unlikely golfers will find many (if any) premium shaft brands promoting a third-party service such as SST PURE. To that end, I get that it’s uncomfortable for Fujikura, Mitsubishi or Graphite Design to tell golfers that even though they just spent $350-plus on a new shaft, that to really get the most out of industry-leading technology, you should invest another $40. That’s a tough sell. The message seems to be that leading companies feel that SST PURE doesn’t improve the performance of a premium golf shaft. At least not in a quantifiably significant manner.

It’s not as though major shaft manufacturers don’t know about SST PURE or the basic methodologies involved. To that end, shaft companies can (and do) provide instructions as to what they feel is the optimal installation orientation (i.e., logo down/logo up). Anecdotally, I’ve had several industry sources confirm that the difference between what the SST PURE machine recommends and a “stock” logo-down installation is essentially the difference between the hour-hand reading 11 o’clock and 1 o’clock.

A final point to consider is that some adjustable hosels alter the shaft orientation when you increase/decrease loft. So, hypothetically, let’s say you had an SST PURE’d shaft installed at “standard” and increased the loft by one degree. Because the shaft has rotated, it’s no longer in an optimal orientation.

Left To Ponder

In situations where grey area far exceeds black and white, we’re left with more questions than answers. Is SST PURE worth an extra $35 or so per club?

It depends.

Testing the validity of claims made by SST PURE proponents is feasible. However, the most recent work done by Gene Parente (Golf Labs) is based entirely on robot data. Not player data. That’s problematic. Humans play golf. Robots don’t.

Robots are great for R&D purposes. But if we really want to assess how golf equipment behaves on the course under typical playing conditions, human testing is still the best approach. Given that, I can understand why both shaft companies and SST PURE proponents would be reticent to go down that path.

Moreover, manufacturing processes and materials will likely continue to improve. As such it’s reasonable to think that shaft companies are capable of solving any potential issues internally. If that’s true, then what?

You tell us.

 

 

 

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      Rocky

      1 year ago

      The mobile club maker on youtube did some testing of shafts, and found there is no difference in pure shafts vs non-pured shafts in the first shaft flex release. And since the shaft only flexes once in the golf swing, you are getting no benefit in puring your shafts..

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      john Smith

      1 year ago

      Tough question for the following reasons- There is clear visible evidence that when you flo a shaft the oscillation pattern demonstrates clear differences when the shart is clamped in different positions. There is a visible difference, the question is does this change the shaft performance to a quantifiable degree?? The fact Club Champion purchased SST would make me bet that every fitting at Club Champion would include a strong recommendation on the benefits of Pureing the shafts. Major shaft manufacturers that do not offer SST options would probably downplay the value of this service. Until there is a true and accurate method to quantify dispersion and distance numbers from shafts that are pured vs not pured this will remain a subjective evaluation and open question. I tend to lean towards the “assumption” that the variations observed in the FLO process “could very well” impact dispersion and possibly kick dynamics of the shaft based on oscillation. This is an opinion as there is no data I can point to that supports this assumption.

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      pineneedlespro

      2 years ago

      Yes I spine golf shafts. I do not charge extra for this service. If a customer wants to hit the golf ball straight (even on miss hits) and get it closer to the hole and lower scores he should not have to pay extra.. I also check the CPM of every shaft that comes out of the box. Also gram weight every shaft also, so when I build custom golf clubs all the info is written on the shaft to save time to build.

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      Andrew the Great!

      2 years ago

      Hope to provide anecdotal information soon. I was fitted for a driver (first time ever for me) by Club Champion on Feb. 18, the club is in the mail and on its way to me today. Puring was part of the process. IIRC, I could’ve opted-out and saved, I don’t know what, maybe sixty bucks. But if I’m spending $475 on a fitted driver, it would seem penny wise and pound foolish to save sixty bucks by skipping the puring.

      Now that I think of it, the $475 *included* the puring cost (and was after a $100 discount for spending more than $500). So it was a $415 club ($575 minus $100 disc minus $60 puring). Anyway, the penny wise principle still applies. The cost of a round of golf. The physics principle seems sound, too. So whether I’ve wasted sixty bucks because I’m a human and not a robot, well, it’s a small cost to risk.

      As for “So, hypothetically, let’s say you had an SST PURE’d shaft installed at “standard” and increased the loft by one degree. Because the shaft has rotated, it’s no longer in an optimal orientation.”, I’ve just paid several hundred dollars to have a driver custom-fitted to me, during a 90-minute comprehensive (and exhausting – I’m 60) session. I have no inclination to tinker with the club’s setup and orientation.

      And if the club doesn’t quite work for me the way the fitting session said it would, CC will make adjustments for free for the lifetime of the club (or of me, or of CC…), including the puring.

      IMO, the puring process and its cost were worth risking.

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      Mark Bresky

      2 years ago

      I’ve only pured two shafts. My Sim2 Max and TM Mini Driver 300. I don’t mess with the lofts. The number on the club is what I keep it at. Not sure if it helped, but took out another thought about questioning the shaft.

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      birdie dancer

      2 years ago

      if you’re in the top .02% of golfers, i’m sure (following the science lol) there is a minute dispersion difference it could make in your A game, over the course of a competitive season…and maybe extra cash…. it’s never going to transform the chunk and bump crowd. into a bomber throwing darts birdie machine..

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      Andrew the Great!

      2 years ago

      “it’s never going to transform the chunk and bump crowd. into a bomber throwing darts birdie machine”

      False dichotomy logical fallacy. Two, in fact.

      There’s a whole spectrum of potential improvement between the two ends you referenced.

      There’s also a whole spectrum of amateurs between “the chunk and bump crowd” and the “top .02%” you referenced who could see game improvement with greater accuracy off the tee and/or from the fairway.

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      Jc Todd

      2 years ago

      I had my first fitting at club champion yesterday and I purchased a set 6-w with softer graphite shafts. I had them pured and I am interested to see if I can tell a difference. The fitter was a cool guy and told me not to pure my driver and 3 hybrids because I had tour ad’s. I’m not sure if it is worth it or not but I am interested to find out when they come in. Could be a lesson learned one way or the other.

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      Ned

      2 years ago

      In my opinion there is no way this would help the average mid-handicap golfer. Club fitting maybe but this is way overboard.

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      Steve C

      2 years ago

      So the shaft is “pured” with no head on it to get a certain ideal orientation. Then you put on a driver or fairway head (with maybe adapters also attached) and assemble. I can’t help but think that has to foul up something. I recall Ping several years ago doing research on this very topic and their conclusion was it was not worth the cost.

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      Steve C

      2 years ago

      So the shaft is “pured” with no head on it to get a certain ideal orientation. Then you put on a driver or fairway head (with maybe adapters also attached) and assemble. I can’t help but think that has to foul up something. I recall Ping several years ago doing research on this very topic and their conclusion was it was not worth the cost. And what effect do the sliding weights on many heads have?

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      Golfjam

      2 years ago

      In the old days there was some benefit but manufacturing quality control got so much better that puring is an unnecessary cost.

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      Fifteenclubs

      2 years ago

      If it was free, would anyone say no to Puring a shaft? I doubt it. As with so many things, this seems to be about perceived value. I don’t know anyone who has had their clubs pured that regretted it. Is the difference massive in a quality shaft? Probably not. But it is one less variable to worry about if you can afford to have your clubs pured. Value is in the eye of the beholder I guess…

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      Joel Nimmons

      2 years ago

      The article states, “…almost $2 Billion” dollars have been won on the PGA Tour by players “who have had SST PURE their shafts.” That said, it isn’t clear how much money has been won by players who haven’t had SST PURE their shafts over the same period.”

      It is easy to figure out how much was won without SST PURING the shafts. Total Prize money over the same period less $2Billion.

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      funk

      1 year ago

      and none of those pros paid for it. if it was free, everyone would do it. how it isn’t already is the problem

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      Pointer

      2 years ago

      If you open or close the face at any point for any of your shots – you’ve moved the spine already. So what’s the point? To be more accurate in hitting it away from where you want, because now your spine is pointed away from where you intended, so you’re locked into that direction? LOL
      No, seriously, that was a joke – but truly – if you open or close the face – you’ve moved it around – so really, what’s the point of it?

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      Emery

      2 years ago

      Makes sense as I “true” bicycle wheels sometimes. I would also, then, say that “truing” each golf ball thru some device or water spinning would be an added benefit.

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      Art

      2 years ago

      Absolutely, there is documented benefit.

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      Rob V.

      2 years ago

      Why not do the Robot and Human test at a driving range ? Much like the golf ball data, except use ProV1 have the robot go fast and slow, with both Pure’d and non-Pure’d Shafts. Then have two humans do the same.
      I’d also love to see, High HCP human vs Low HCP human.

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      Don

      2 years ago

      This type of test was done some 20 years ago by Golfsmith, They hit balls with 3 of the top OEM drivers off the rack and one driver with a SST Pured shaft using a Robot swing machine. With all 3 of the OEM drivers the impact of the ball was NOT consistent. Impact was off center by as much as 5/8th of an inch. Some toward the toe, some towadn the heel. and some high or low. With the SST Pured shaft driver ALL impacts were within 1/8 in of dead center on the club. As you should know, a Robot swing machine makes a nearly perfectly consistent swing .so any off center hits was due to the “Club” NOT the machine. So the fact is that off center hits with your driver “Might” NOT be your fault but the shaft in your club. I have been building golf clubs for 19 years and I can tell you for a fact that Spine and FLO alignment of a shaft is “Very Important” to how well the club performs, be it using a Robot or a live person. The work to do the alignment process only takes less than 10 minutes so I don’t charge anywhere near $40 to do the work. Fact is I do it for FREE when I re-shaft a club as part of my standard practice to do the best work I can and NOT cut corners so I know what goes out my door is as good as it can be.

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      Greg

      2 years ago

      Good workmanship is always appreciated Don.
      Have you ever spined tested again wihen the tip is fitted .
      i.e. include the tip adaptor and see if it repeats to that without the selected position of the adaptor . I always wonder what this adaptor does to purring should it be purred with the adaptor on ?

      Don

      2 years ago

      Hi Greg: When I re-shaft a driver with a tip adapter, I do the spine and FLO alignment on the shaft. Then I install the tip adapter in the head the way it will be used, and then I install the shaft into the tip adatpor. That way the shaft in aligned properly when the shaft is in the head “WHEM” the shaft is set the way I want it, or the customer asks me to set it.

      The alignment does NOT change when a tip adatpor is installed on the shaft. So adding an adaptor is NOT an issue. Personally I don’t play a driver that required me to rotate the shaft to make adjustments. For this reason I don’t use a driver that is adjusted by rotateing the shaft, like with a TM or Ping. Callaway Optia Fit tip adaptors is the only way to go .

      Austin

      2 years ago

      Don, would Titleist adapters be good for nonrotational adjustments? I like the fact they have more open/closed face variation options than Callaway.

      Don

      2 years ago

      Hi Austin; I don’t have a Titleist driver so I can NOT be positive about it but looking at the tip adapter it is NOT a one piece adaptor and it appears to allow for adjustment with OUT rotating the shaft. You would want to contact Titleist directly and ask them if ALL adjustments or just some can be made without rotating the shaft. OR you could go to a golf shop and try it yourself with the driver model you are interested in. That would me what I would do first.

      On a different note. WHY would you or anyone care about being able to adjust the face angle? IF you tell me why you want to I’ll be glad to tell you why you DON”T need to.

      Brad

      1 year ago

      Hi Don! I know I am replying to an old thread. You really seem to know what you are doing, when it comes to club-building. I have been searching for a year to find someone to build a great set of irons, custom to my body, swing, etc. I visited the Club Champion here in Buffalo, but was not impressed with the staff – the seemed to just follow the company process and didn’t really seem knowledgeable when I asked questions. Any advice on how to find a master club-builder who has the capability you seem to possess? Thank you!

      Ronald_D

      10 months ago

      Agree, When you test a custom driver shaft … you will find a strong and weak plane. There is a minimum difference between both strong- and between both weak planes. I noticed that there are different views about where to put the most strongest plane. 12 – 3 – 6 or 9 o’clock for a right handed player. Some prefer the weakest plane (NBP) to target … but others prefer the strongest plane to target because the weakest plane has too much variation. When testing the FLO the test should be 1 cycle because in the golfswing the shaft only load and release 1 time. It’s not interesting what the shaft does after impact.

      Heyweb

      2 years ago

      Herein lies the value of a custom club fitting vs. off the rack, or even big box “fittings”. I spent the time and money to get fit @Cool Clubs, and not only do they fit you for shaft and head, but they build each club to those specs. People think only better golfers “need” a fitting. Simply put better golfers reveal the value of any player being fit to their equipment.

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      David

      2 years ago

      If the pro’s are playing Pured shafts why are all the iron shaft labels perfectly down as you see their swing and with the OEM’s not believing in puring?

      Have you seen a pure machine in a tour workshop truck?

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      Tim

      2 years ago

      The shaft labels are removed, pure is completed and then the labels are installed at the bottom of shafts to ensure the label do not show in address position. I did the exact same thing.

      I am a firm believer in the pure’ing of the shaft since I absolutely love my 3 wood and hybrid. Dead straight shots consistently – i have tried the same combo of head and shaft that was not pured and was definitely losing shots left and right. I seen it and it is definitely worth it.

      Lastly, i cannot believe people will pay $50 for balls but wont spend the money of the equipment that they will be using for years (unlike balls that will not last 3 rounds of golf (either lost or scuffed up). Just makes zero sense.

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      Don Brown

      2 years ago

      For shafts with heat transfer decals ( DG TI, PX LZ, AMT,…) or silk screens (Modus line) this is not the case as the equipment to apply those cosmetics is not present on tour.

      Alan

      1 year ago

      So how do you remove and reattache the labels? I just picked up a pured Stealth 2 with Fuji Ventus and the logo for the shaft is at about 10:00. Setup and it’s a distraction. Maybe I’ll get used to it but would like to see if the label can be moved.

      Thanks

      Niels Chr. Pedersen

      2 years ago

      I have been building clubs for more than 20 years, not huge quantities, but more than just on a hobby basis.

      When I get asked to build a club/set of iron I always ask the buyer if he would like to have the shaft(s) FLO-ed. By far the largest portion of my customers goes for the performance than looks.

      (I had one customer who after a week of playing with spined/flo-ed shafts contacted me and asked me to reseat the shafts as he was distracted by the different settings of the graphics.)

      As a standard procedure, I measure each shaft that I get into stock on the following parameters: static weight (uncut), register manufacturer’s CPM from the shaft, register my own reading of CPM, register graphics placement relative to manufacturer’s point of reference (if any). Relative to spine: graphics placement in degrees, FLO placement in degrees (readings based on visual inspection).

      This has given the following data from shafts recently installed in a set of irons:

      #4 #5 #6 #7 #8 #9 PW
      Weight g 95,3 95,6 96,4 95,7 96,5 96,1 96,2
      CPM 310 308 307 311 311 313 312
      CPM2 309 309 309 311 311 312 313
      Graphics 110* 87* 120* 90* 80* 95* 110*
      Spine 225* 5* 290’ 125* 305* 285* 245*
      FLO 212* 15* 260* 85* 250* 195* 175*
      CPM finished 298 298 302 308 311 319 315

      I am a true believer in the fact that spinning/FLO-ing does improve dispersion and consistency.

      As far as shafts in woods are concerned, as long as you don’t fiddle around with the settings the adapter gives, but leave the shaft in the position that has found to be the right one, you’ll be better off.

      If you combine this with my working thesis: lightest shaft as well as softest flex you as a player can control you may gain longer strokes due to (potentially) increased swing speed and more mass at the club head.

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      John A

      2 years ago

      You’re wasting your time doing all that work, it’s arbitrarily changing the orientation of the shaft

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      Kevin K

      2 years ago

      Interesting rebuttal, I’ll take the guy with the data over the guy that stands up and says “fake news” Show me the data or I’ve got something to validate against in the very least with OP.

      Niels Chr. Pedersen

      2 years ago

      Hi John A
      You appear to have a different opinion..
      To the best of my knowledge the data that I colloct from the shafts indicate to me that the inconsistancy somewhere along the line make it necessary to compensate for – one way or another.. Therefore I start with the shaft.

      WBN

      2 years ago

      I’ve used the Floing or spine alignment method for the last few years and found that many “stock” shafts have a fair amount of ovaling. By using these methods, I found the club gave a better response on finding the center of the clubface and also consistency. The biggest problem is with adjustable drivers if you decide to change loft.

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      Todd

      2 years ago

      I would never pay for Pureing.

      My shaft might not be exactly round or uniform, but I’m long and can hit it from behind the ladies tees without any artificial help.

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      Tim

      2 years ago

      Great reply – (can you feel my sarcasm)

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      Regit

      2 years ago

      I must say… If there was ever a product that increased accuracy – dispersion it is the ShotMaker. Sadly, they are not available any longer. I have been using the ShotMaker in my driver and fairway wood for years. If anyone knows where to find them again let us know..
      http://mygolfspy.com/harrison-shotmaker-review/

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      Really?

      2 years ago

      Wait, if this worked, wouldn’t it have either been picked up by another company or banned?

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      NC

      2 years ago

      The big difference is understanding that “stiff” does not mean anything. There is no standard. Every manufacturer’s version of a shaft, I.e. “stiff” is different. That may not be the crux of this article but worth mentioning. In the end, just go play golf and have fun.

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      Chris Nickel

      2 years ago

      Perhaps a topic for a different article, but the concept of shaft flex is certainly worth exploring.

      After all, what actually is “flex” given that no standard exists. And then you toss in EI profiles and how companies should/do report measurements such as torque, and no we’re on to something…

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      NC

      2 years ago

      I like it! I’d like to see your thoughts/tests on “flex.” and what does that mean and what impacts flex, etc. Lot of opinions about who should use various flexes, but I’ve always wondered do people and fitters really know what they are recommending across all the shaft options.

      BRUCE NAHORNY

      2 years ago

      I had a club business for 15 years and used Flo,ing with a laser extensively during builds.I also distributed GD and Fuji ; ALDILA. truth is it does work to minimize shaft deflection.Heres the proof I USED for the non believers. Observe face impacts before the adjustment ; then after the shaft as re oriented and installed. In all cases the impact marks are closer together on the face after the reorientation. these clubs ahem been used on CDN tour ; Australian tour ; walker cup etc .

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      Kenneth E Agbanobi

      2 years ago

      Is there a study out there that compares a pured or flo’d shaft against one or the same shaft deliberately placed/installed in its most unstable position? If not that’s one that should be tried and tested to see what the results are.

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      Brandon

      2 years ago

      This was an article from back in 2016 from PIG that compared PURED vs non PURED in identical shafts/clubheads. Very interesting results.

      https://pluggedingolf.com/does-pureing-a-shaft-improve-performance-golf-myths-unplugged/

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      Dan

      2 years ago

      I’ve built clubs in the past and built my own puring device that anyone can make. I use a 1 1/4″ x 12″ pvc pipe and glue a sleeve bearing into each end. The inside diameter of the bearings should be just slightly larger than a shaft. The key is to use high quality aircraft bearings – almost friction free. Clamp the pipe in a vice, insert the shaft and give it a twirl. Now with a hand held bearing slipped over the tip end of the shaft, pull down lightly until the shaft stops spinning. It will ‘snap’ to a stop. Mark the top of the shaft and repeat this process a couple more times for verification. This is the weak axis. I always insert the shaft with the strong axis perpendicular to the club face so the weak axis is parallel to the face.
      My service for doing this was free as should the laser occilation method. It takes so little time to do and the cost of the machine is a one-time thing. I made my clients aware that the paint logo orientation for each club would be different. They would usually opt out of the puring for that reason.
      In my opinion, puring makes no difference in consistency because every time you swing a club the plane is a little different. Then you have the perfectionists who would disagree.

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      Ronald_D

      10 months ago

      Fully agree Dan, This way you can find the weakest plane … at least in the weakest part of the shaft. I’ve done this for a long time but noticed it was not accurate enough. A golfshaft is never 100% straight so this way might give not 100% accuracy. So i used good quality bearings at both ends (- 2 inches) and placed a weight at different locations of the shaft. Then digital measure the pressure at every 10 degrees while rotating the shaft at every location of the weight. Then take the measurements of all 3 weight-positions and calculate the average results and it’s giving a pretty good result of the exact stiffest plane. People might think that the opposite (180 degrees) of the stiffest plane is the same but that’s not true. FLO should be measured only for the first cycle because in the golfswing the shaft only loads and release 1 time. It’s not interesting what the shaft does after impact.
      There are different views about where to put the strongest plane … 12 – 3 – 6 or 9 o’clock. The weakest plane to target might have too much variations compairing the strongest plane to target. I prefer the last.

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      mackdaddy9

      2 years ago

      Back when I was a plus handicap in the 90’s I played KZG ZO blades. I loved those clubs soft as butter and a pure joy to hit. That is except for the 8 iron??? I just struggled with the 8 iron. I was playing in a pro-am at our club and the pro I was playing with noticed I was avoiding hitting an 8 iron where it had to be the right club. He asked me why and I told him I just struggle with the 8. He had me hit his and it was a great shot. He then hit mine and it hooked 30 yards. He then hit his own dead at the flag. He told me my shaft must be badly aligned in the club and that I should re-shaft it and have the shaft Pured he said he had a guy who could do it. I went and saw the guy that week and he pured all my shafts for me. I was amazed at how predictable my yardages became. I played those clubs until my eyes and knee surgeries forced me to play a more forgiving set of clubs at 60. I always play pured shafts now. It is worth the money for the consistency and it helps with twisting on off center strikes.

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      Reality Rob

      2 years ago

      Lol.

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      DaddyO

      2 years ago

      But – you’re not on Tour. And – for the casual hobby golfer, who never competes in anything serious – it’s NOT needed. It’s only for the guys who are on the high-enthusiast end, who may play the occasional serious Am event, who may play in a local big money Skins and/or for those who do really want to try to take big leap into competitions.
      Otherwise it’s just a money grab, weekend golfers and beer-slugging yahoo golfers don’t need this

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      Don

      2 years ago

      This is for DaddyO You could NOT be more wrong on this issue. Here is some proof of how wrong you are. I purchased a driver and when I hit it on a launch monitor I hit “SLICE’ after sliice with it . I renamed it the ” Vegamatic” as it could SLICE anything. I went home, pulled the shaft, did a spine and FLO alignment on the shaft, re-installed it and went back and hit more balls on the launch monitor. Same factory shaft mind you.. And this time the big SLICE was “Gone”. I hit every ball straight and down the center every time. NO sigh of a “Slice” after doing the spine and FLO alignment on the factory shaft. The club went from a slice machine to a fairway finder with less than 10 minutes of spine and FLO work on the shaft.

      SO I ask YOU> Would be pay $500 plus for a new driver with NO way of knowing if the shaft will perform as needed? Or would you rather pay a small amount to have the shaft in your current driver spine and FLO aligned and get much more for your money? YOU are free to decide what you would do. ME? I chose spine and FLO alignment every time.

      Bill

      2 years ago

      I’m just a home hobbyist that has fun building my clubs. I use the Golfworks laser device to flow all the shafts I install. Does it help? IDK, but it’s easy to do and it is remarkable how slightly turning a shaft changes the oscillation pattern, circle, oval, or flat line. Maybe I’m just getting “cheap” shafts.
      I’ll epoxy the shafts to the flat line orientation. I figure it’s one less variable in my amateur swing and it can’t hurt.

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      Chris Nickel

      2 years ago

      I had a similar takeaway in that the tools required to spine/FLO a shaft are actually pretty basic. It might take an extra 5 minutes/club during the build process.

      If that’s the case, what’s a reasonable price to charge someone for this service?

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      Don

      2 years ago

      Someone hare posted that they had clubs built by Club Champion and they paid and extra $60 to have the shaft SST Pured. That amount is an insult to the customer in my opinion. When I re-shaft a club, I do the Spine and FLO alignment on the shaft for FREE, It’s part of the $40 I charge to install the shaft. Doing the Spine and FLO work on a shaft takes about 5-10 minutes depending on the shaft, so it’s NOT reasonable to charge a high price for the job. The reason I don’t charge extra for the work is that doing the work is the ONLY way to build the BEST club I can, and building the best club I can is the ONLY way to build a club. Either do the job the best way possible, or don’t build the club. Pretty simple idea really.
      Since I line in Aurora Colo I’d be happy to show you how much spine and FLO alignment effects a shafts performance if you have the time. Let me know if you are interested in learning the truth about this issue.

      Camden Heck

      2 years ago

      Great, timely article. Just got fitted at Club Champion and they of course are all about puring with their purchase of SST. If pured shafts made a significant difference, you’d think the shaft companies would have every interest to do this themselves before selling. With the amount of different forces and torque applied to the shaft in the swing, it’s hard for me to imagine puring has an absolute benefit. Fun to ponder

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      CLock

      2 years ago

      Exactly.
      I’ve always said that, unless the Pure-ing takes into account the actual head the shafts are being built into, as well as the exact lie-angle and the Angle of Attack and swing-arc of the person swinging the club – what the heck does it know? It only knows the spine position at 90 degrees perpendicular. It doesn’t take into account those other “diagonal angle” factors that go into the actual swing, nor does it take into account the deflection of the shaft at impact with the club head twisting the head with the ground interaction friction.

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      LouM

      2 years ago

      Two years ago I thoroughly researched pureing my new set of iron shafts. It made sense and I went ahead with it. No regrets., subtle improvements in accuracy and distance. Subsequently I had my Driver pure’d as well.

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      MIGregB

      2 years ago

      Dr. Sasho MacKenzie, a leading researcher in the field of swing mechanics, says that there is little benefit to aligning golf shafts. I suppose that given how incredibly fine tuned a professional golfers senses are to his/her clubs, there could be more benefit. But for us mere golfing mortals, it appears to be an unnecessary expense providing no actual benefit.

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      Woodman

      2 years ago

      I have knowledge of a 5-shaft blind test with Puring. On two occasions., 5 shafts were Pured and then done again the next day. Was done with the Puring labels removed and replaced by a simple Sharpie mark producing a “blind” test. The results were not good as only two shafts were measured in the same location! A year later 3 out of 5 were able to repeat. With such poor results, buying Pured shafts is a crap shoot. If I owned the process I would work to get repeatability over 95% and use the data as a marketing tool.

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      cksurfdude

      2 years ago

      Yeah, another sceptic here – especially given the adjustable hosel conundrum .. UNLESS you’re getting custom fitted and the shaft is Pure’ed to *your* fitting _and_ then not changed after that ….

      Myself – I’ll get way waaaay more benefit from more lessons and practice!

      IMHO the process is best suited to those Tour pros who believe they’re giving up an “edge” if they don’t do it.

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      Chris Nickel

      2 years ago

      Regardless of where anyone falls on this particular issues, the “adjustable hosel conundrum” as you state, is absolutely an issue.

      That said, some manufacturers use adapters that don’t change the orientation of the shaft when you alter loft/lie.

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      Dog Faced Pony Soldier

      2 years ago

      I think everyone agrees the only reason to NOT Pure shafts is to avoid the expense. So, if the expense isn’t an issue, then there’s zero drawbacks and only potential advantage to having your shafts Pured; especially on fixed-hozel clubs.

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      Don

      2 years ago

      I agree 199 % with that statement. NO reason NOT to Pure a shaft is cost. And that is why EVERY shaft in every club in my bag is both Spine and FLO aligned. It’s the ONLY way to build the best club I can and get the most out of my clubs and my game.

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      Stephen Pearcy

      2 years ago

      I can certainly understand why a shaft manufacturer would claim their shafts don’t need to be “pured”- even if the shafts would benefit.. For most people – the ones without $400 preselected shafts – determining preferred orientation would be of benefit. Fortunately, that can be done very inexpensively – not the $30-$40/shaft kind.

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      Terry Leahey

      2 years ago

      I have been building clubs for many years. When I first used Pureiing in shafts, I was skeptical. Four years ago I received a set of Tommy Armor clubs. I didn’t like the feel of the club’s so took them apart and had them Pure.d.. The next 3 rounds I played with my regular fouls, they thought I had new clubs each time. Dispersion and distance control were remarkable. Now if I could be a better putter, I could capitalize on the improvement. With this set, I would say remarkable improvement..

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      Bob

      2 years ago

      I’d like to point out that tour ad graphite design shafts do not need puring because they are perfectly made, and puring won’t do anything, just for chuckles a few years ago I tried to pure di shaft ( puring is not difficult you just need a vice, know how and patience) no matter how I positioned the head on the shaft it was pured, I have it in an adjustible driver and because the shaft is perfect the club is pured no matter how it’s set up. That’s why they are expensive every shaft in a certain model is identical to every other shaft in that model right down to flexing in identical points no variance. These shafts are not oem manufactured crap a lot of them are at least partially hand made

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      J.B.

      2 years ago

      I just don’t understand the argument I keep reading that “Robots don’t play golf, people do”. That this is the reason we shouldn’t use robotic testing to find out if “pureing” is legitimate or not. If this is true, why use robots in testing golf balls, just use people. After all, “People play golf, not robots”.

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      Chris Nickel

      2 years ago

      J.B. – The whole robot conversation is fascinating. In discussing our testing methodologies with the major industry manufacturers, it was unanimously agreed to that when testing equipment for performance, human testing is the appropriate way to go.

      Robots are great for R&D processes and/or tests when it’s absolutely critical to control certain variables (I.e. our ball test). Beyond that, the variable you generally want to leave alone is the golfer.

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      fore59

      2 years ago

      Chris, now that we have gone down this (Rabbit Hole).
      How about looking into cryogenically treated.
      fairways & greens

      Skip Perrey

      2 years ago

      I’ve been building clubs since 1985, for my self and many customers amateur to Professionals. Puring is more noticable in more flexible shafts then in stiff (some) and extra stiff 9very little). Finding the Spine and where you locate it in the club does change the playablity.

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      Nick Costanzo

      2 years ago

      I’m a paying member of Russ’s website. Golfshaftinfo and I find his shaft reviews highly informative. In particular, almost all of the high end shafts he analyzes he finds that’s they are mostly perfect and require no puring. I’m guessing that the high end manufacturer’s do their own set of tests and throw out shafts that do not meet their quality standards. For mass produced Chinese shafts that you find in all oem clubs, they do not have the same level of quality control and probably wouldn’t hurt to be poured.

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      john Smith

      2 years ago

      I would suggest that identifying the spine. and optimal flex should be a goal but not considered a process that will deliver measurable benefits . By testing the flo ( oscillation) of a shaft in a vice you can get a “general” idea of how the shaft flexes naturally and you can easily reduce oscillation by marking and installing the shaft based on this visual test. This is very inexpensive equipment ( laser and a vice) and an easy process to learn. It can not hurt installing the shaft taking this into consideration but I would not expect statistically significant improvements. Keep in mind that the swing has a lot to do with how the shaft loads and releases so players can easily introduce opposing forces that will cause oscillation simply from swing flaws. That is a far greater source of oscillation than the impact of shaft design flaws. Hypothetically if a person comes over the top and releases early I can assure you the shaft will oscillate at impact regardless of how it is installed. High level players may benefit to some degree so treating this as something that should be done and can not hurt is probably better than promising consistent measurable gains.

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      Bob

      2 years ago

      I’ve used high end Graphite design shafts for years, so I will address that brand because I have some knowledge of it and first of all they do not need puring your paying $400 for a reason their top shafts are perfectly round and balanced and no matter how they are positioned at installation they swing as if they were pured, and I’m pretty sure this is also true for other high quality shafts, a check off the manufacturers website would let you know. And any fitter that tries to sell you unneeded puring for one of these shafts should be avoided

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      Rod CLEMMONS

      2 years ago

      PUREing often reveals several weak and strong points along the length of a driver shaft. The best orientation of strong points is enhanced with a multi-function launch monitor that tracks both the shaft and the driver head. This also permits an orientation that takes into account a specific golfer’s swing release point.. Typically, more than one measurement-adjustment session is necessary arrive at a best build for an individual’s “normal” swing sequence.. Golfers are, however, addicted to constant equipment experimentation. Thus, it is not unusual to find that a customer seeking to cure his latest swing flaw completely disorients a proven build by self-adjusting the hosel adapter and driver head weights. The search for the perfect driver. Lol. Rod Clemmons CCCGOLFUSA LLC.

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      Don R.

      2 years ago

      The statement that it’s not a valid test to perform with a robot seems to be a dodge in my opinion. Why are any of the test MSG perform that involve robot testing not invalidated on that basis? I’ve paid for the little “P” stickers to be added to my shafts and can’t tell any difference in performance. It would be useful to see what robot testing findings show. It seems the process is a way to lift a little more cash out of peoples wallets. I believe that this test would be exactly the kind of thing MSG thrives on performing.

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      Carl Garrett, PGA

      2 years ago

      I installed my first set of SST Pured shafts (Nippon Modus 3) for a customer a few months ago. One shaft in the entire set was “perfect”, meaning the installation line determined by SST Puring was only slightly off from the manufacturers logo (5 Degrees & 8% improved stabilization). Other than this one shaft, all the other labels were all over the place. Some even rotated 200+ Degrees and achieved an improved stabilization of 70-80% on average. I’m sure Nippon produces thousands of these at a time and I believe it’s worth it when buying these but I could see ultra-premium shafts having much tighter tolerances due to being produced in smaller batches and the manufacturing process being much more controllable.

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      Roger Emory

      2 years ago

      I have had my new Club Champion clubs SST pured.
      Not sure if its the custom clubs, the puring or combination but I love my clubs, certainly longer with my driver and woods, improved accuracy with iron. I guess no way of telling unless I had a second set with same specs, unpured but as much as my new set cost, I figured I was going all in.

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      James Shepard

      2 years ago

      I’ve found that high end shafts are more concentric. Stock shafts tend to have one or more spines, hard areas that go down shafts. Point is, if you rotate the shaft in your head you may have problems. Like going from drawing the ball to fading, or low flight to high.

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      Joseph Frietze

      2 years ago

      I have seen the process done. And while I’m sure the machine itself isn’t cheap. 40 dollars per iron shaft for something that is difficult to quantify gains in either dispersion or distance seems a bit outlandish. I love the idea but for 7 irons that already cost me 1000 dollars. I’m suspicious

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      OldGuyGolf

      2 years ago

      As an Engineer the process is totally feasible and believable. One, as Chris states, when you adjust the hosel that changes the orientation completely. Two, where is the data that supports the improvement in dispersion and distance ?? Only a robot is consistent enough to be used to collect that data ! Then, how do you replicate the conditions eliminating any variance in balls and atmosphere conditions so each shot has minimal variation affecting ball flight.??
      Interesting concept but $40 per club ?

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      Dave Tutelman

      2 years ago

      It is worth noting that the adjustable hosels on most drivers today render alignment as pretty useless. The second you adjust for loft, lie, or face angle, you change the alignment anyway. It is better to get a shaft that is not defective in the first place.

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      bunnyman

      2 years ago

      As a former composites fabricator, there are variances, but not like one would think. Where the differences are found is when rotating the hosel to adjust for loft. This service would be good for those who found the non-default loft setting. Frankly, the likely reason why the bend point would be off would be a person putting on the label before or after a long weekend, and frankly, with such a small diameter item like a golf shaft, the variance would be a princess and the pea sort of thing. I do believe that few hands are actually involved after the fabric is laid in the mould or around the tool. I am not totally poo pooing the service, but frankly, it should be done from the factory if it is that much of a factor. The prod, where everything is pretty well matched as far as ability, of course would benefit. Cool stuff. Thanks for the great article.

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      Dave Tutelman

      2 years ago

      I have done an analysis (see my article on spines on my web site) that concluded that a small enough spine will not make a difference. That is certainly credible. But how big is “small enough”. My analysis says a spine less than 4cpm frequency difference between the stiff side and soft side will not make a difference. You don’t have to FLO these.

      My friend Russ Ryden, who profiles shafts in more detail that just about anybody for his fitting business, draws a similar conclusion, but not quite the same, based on experience rather than mathematical analysis. He found that less than 4cpm is right for amateurs, but for elite tour-quality players it is down to 2cpm. Again, a credible conclusion.

      That leaves the question of what to do if the spine is larger than this number. Make no mistake, FLOins and PUREing are not so much “tuning” as damage control. Doing either is saying, “We got a defective shaft. Rather than complaining and returning it, let’s see how much we can limit its effect on our results.” Russ doesn’t align shafts — PURE or FLO or otherwise. But he does FLO them to measure the spine defect. If it is out of his tolerance limits (as stated above), he returns them for a replacement. I don’t have that sort of relationship with my shaft suppliers; I limit the damage by FLOing.

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      Steve S

      2 years ago

      This is one of the best comments I’ve seen from anyone on MGS articles. It’s a well thought out and written comment. Basically it’s what I’ve always thought about shafts; if you have to “pure” them then don’t buy them because the manufacturer is selling you crap.

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      John Muir

      2 years ago

      Steve: You’d enjoy Dave’s web site: https://www.tutelman.com/golf/design/

      large chris

      2 years ago

      Great to see Dave T on here, this man knows his stuff

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      John C.

      2 years ago

      SST Pure is probably the biggest waste of money for 99.99% of all golfers. The fact that not every Tour player (the small % left) even incorporates this into their bag is all you need to know. Chris Nickel the Author makes a great point, we all have had buddies show up at the range with a brand-new thousand dollar driver, only to later on adjust the hosel setting after they spent additional money to have the shaft PURE, and you instantly defeated the entire purpose in one second. Spend your money on a trusted PGA pro, get some lessons, and stop giving additional wasted money away to try and buy a golf game, nothing replaces hard work and the proper technique. Did Ben Hogan need SST Pure, I think not.

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      Dr Tee

      2 years ago

      DITTO. What is the value of during?—-answer: whatever the club maker is charging for it LMFAO !

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      Andrew the Great!

      2 years ago

      You contradict yourself when you say “SST Pure is probably the biggest waste of money for 99.99% of all golfers…we all have had buddies show up at the range with a brand-new thousand dollar driver, only to later on adjust the hosel setting after they spent additional money to have the shaft PURE, and you instantly defeated the entire purpose in one second”.

      Unless 99.99% of all golfers do what that “buddy at the range” does – spend a grand on a driver, have the shaft pured, and then adjust the hosel settings – then your point doesn’t stand.

      It’s a waste of money ONLY for the golfers who do what that buddy at the range does. I’d guess that number is FAR less than 99.99%.

      For the percentage who spend whatever $$ on a fitted driver and a pured shaft, and then leave the hosel settings alone, it’s likely far from their biggest waste of money on golf.

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      bill Skelton

      2 years ago

      I had my TM Sim2 driver “aligned” by my long time local club maker. I had played 5 rounds with it and liked what I was experiencing but decided that I should align the shaft as I had had done on my other past drivers going back to a Cleveland Launcher I had in 2009. The Sim 2 responded to the new “alignment” by helping me gain an average of 3 more fairways hit over the following 10 months. I’m a believer.

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      Bri

      2 years ago

      Testing of shafts from multiple manufacturers has indicated that radial consistency has been very high over the last 8 or so years. The shafts consistently test round enough to not matter. The graphite shaft companies had to do this when the adjustable hosels became the standard around 2010ish from memory.

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      albatrossx3

      2 years ago

      You would have to have the shaft pured with a fitting, because it is pointless if you have an adjustable club and then change the settings, So instead of another 40 it is 100 or so plus the 40 plus the club, and still with the adjustable you would need the hosel set exactly, is that even possible at a fitters? And then never change it. In my mind this makes a yard or two not worth the money of the effort.

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      Larry

      2 years ago

      Titleist told me they DO NOT pure their shafts- do not see any advantage

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      Marty

      2 years ago

      Same with Mizuno. When I was on staff with them I was able to ask Chris Voshall about it and he said basically what Dave Tutleman said above., PURing works for bad shafts. The difference between PURed alignment and standard alignment was minimal. Spend your money on good shafts.

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      bob

      2 years ago

      Get a scratch golfer who plays Mizunos and check his results before and after puring the irons. Then put a set of clubs from Wal Mart in his hands and test the same dispersion data.

      If the Mizuno set has little to no benefit from puring but the Wal Mart set is notably improved then we have the answer. Basically, puring a club is best for junk shafts and nobody who has junk shafts will be remotely entertained by the idea of paying $40 a club to improve dispersion.

      Steve (the real one, pithy and insufferable)

      2 years ago

      I’ve posted on this before. A major manufacturer of clubs used from amatur to pro ranks tested for spine alignment and “puring” and found no difference – robot and player. That being said, their shafts were all higher end. Their conclusion was that the better shafts have many more layers and tighter quality control. Not just longitudinal layouts but at various angles to control torque and unwanted deflections. For the good shafts, there is no spine. Base OEM shafts, sure, check for oscillation off axis.

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      Tom54

      2 years ago

      I’ve had clubs pured in the past by Cool Clubs and more recently Club Champion. If I ever go through that type of fitting process again, I won’t pay for puring. While you can say you’re hiding the cost somewhat since you’re already paying thousands for the clubs, the reality is at CC if you’re buying 10 new clubs, that’s $400 extra for nothing really. Also, MGS had an article recently where Fujikura said their shafts do not need to be pured. So consider that when spending $300-$400 on a Ventus.

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      JR THOMAS

      2 years ago

      … I’ve played and built both pured and standard shaft clubs… my take on it is that you should consider them for one of the following reasons… first, that you have a single digit handicap & are looking for that last possible little edge… or that you are simply in a cost is no object situation & enjoy that you have the absolute best… have fun!…????

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