Is the Milled Putter Going Extinct?
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Is the Milled Putter Going Extinct?

Is the Milled Putter Going Extinct?

By Dave Wolfe

About a week or so ago, I put together a little piece about the first putter from the new company, Bellum Winmore, writing about how I thought that entering the milled putter market was risky. One of the byproducts of that article was that it started a discussion here at MyGolfSpy HQ about the future of milled putters in general. To put it simply (queue the ominous music),

 

Are we witnessing the decline and fall of the milled putter?

 

It’s tough to deny that we are in a period of decline. Are 100% milled putters still available? Of course they are. However, what was once a staple of putter corrals everywhere, is now becoming harder and harder to find. It we extrapolate out the trend, it’s not a huge leap to a day when the milled putter is no longer present.

Could we really see a milled-free market in the future? Maybe, but first let’s take a look at the current realities of the milled putter landscape.

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Evidence of Extinction

Large companies have dropped milled lines.

Take a look at the big players in the market first. I can’t begin to imagine the planning and piloting it takes for a big golf company develop and launch new gear from season to season. In my simplistic view, it seems like products that sell, persist, and those that don’t go away. Obviously, it’s more complicated than that, but no one can afford to keep throwing money into sinking product lines. Companies cut the chaff, especially in the tight times, and it’s been very tight for everyone recently.

Bottom line, milled putter lines have slowly disappeared from major product lines.

Evidence you say? OK, how about we start with the biggest golf player, TaylorMade?

Many putter aficionados (and non-aficionados for that fact) believed that that TaylorMade’s TP (what they’d now call Tour Preferred) by Kia Mia line of milled putters was one of the nicest in any big OEM lineup. They were 100% milled, insert-free, and despite the fact that Kia Ma remains on the TaylorMade payroll, are now totally absent from the TaylorMade catalog. Actually, if you check out the TaylorMade site, you will not find one milled putter.

What about Never Compromise?

Just a couple of seasons ago, Never Compromise offered the Gambler, Dinero, and Connoisseur lines of 100% milled putters. I vividly remember how cool it was that you could goof around with the paint scheme on the putters to make them more custom. Are they still for sale? I don’t know. The website is still working, and it looks like you can still order one, but good luck finding one in your local pro shop. LOTS of fanfare about these putters, and then silence. As quickly as they came, the went. It would appear that Never Compromise, and maybe Cleveland Golf, are out of the milled putter business as well.

What about the Cleveland Classic you ask? Isn’t that a milled putter by Cleveland?

Well…no…not really. The Classic series is actually cast first, and then the faces are milled. That’s what they have “FACE MILLED” stamped into their faces. I’m not saying that they are not sound putters, but they are not 100% milled. I believe the last fully milled line under the Cleveland name was the VP Milled line, and they were excellent putters. My first expensive, milled putter was a VP Milled #2, and it was a joy to roll.

Those are just two examples. I’m willing to bet that you could find a few more to add to that list. The simple fact is that companies that once offered great milled putter lines are not making them any more. Keep in mind, these guys weren’t making poor product, the market simple shifted in a  different direction. 100% milled putters are not fiscally viable (at least not for the big guys).

Smaller milled putter companies are downsizing or disappearing as well. As recently as a few years ago you could order a custom milled putter from a fairly large number of small shops.

Where did they go?

I don’t know all of the stories, but many of those shops are just are not around any more. Was the product inferior? Of course not!

The only person who asks that question is the person who has never had a custom putter made for them by a small shop. It’s a different putter experience. Small shops can add customizations to the milled head that large shops reserve for tour players. Fully milled putters, to your specs, could be obtained from dozens of small shops. Not any more.

Edel

Why Has this Happened?

Expensive for the Company

I don’t make putters for a living; I only covet them. That being said, it’s fairly obvious even to the non-putter crafter that milling putters is a more expensive undertaking. Forgings are expensive, much more so than castings. Do I know what the numbers are? No, I’m basing this assumption on the forged vs. cast iron set math. Forged, then milled irons are more expensive than cast irons. So too then should forged, then milled putters be more expensive than cast putters. If you can decrease your production costs by going with a cheaper to make product, especially if the consumer isn’t interested in the higher-end product in any significant numbers, why not go the less expensive route? Low costs coupled with more demand is a recipe for higher profits.

Expensive for the Consumer

OK get ready for some more Daveconomics™. A $300 milled putter is more expensive to buy than a $150 cast, or polymer putter. Woah…I just blew your mind, didn’t I?

Money is tight these days, and the cost vs. benefit analysis of the milled purchase suggests going high-end doesn’t make fiscal sense for the majority of golf consumers. Granted, some are still buying them . Visit the Table Rock booth at the PGA show and you’ll see an abundance of milled putters moving off the shelves for ridiculous prices, but that is the exception not the rule. If there truly was widespread demand for milled products, you’d absolutely find more players in the market.

I mentioned in the Bellum Winmore review that the putter market is especially tough because most people stick with putters for a while. That “a while” gets longer when income is less disposable. Many people who paid the premium for a milled putter a few years ago are going to stick with that one for another season or two rather than shell out another $300. If you are wearing out your putters every season like your wedges, you probably really need a putting lesson.

A putter typically doesn’t need to be replaced, unless you have emptied all of the birdies out of it.

Odyssey Insert

Milled is not Magic

This one hurts me to even consider, but could it be that inserts make for better performing putters? I don’t have tour stats memorized (and you’re a big boy, you know how to use Google), but I believe that Odyssey is still the most winning brand on the pro tours. While there are some milled offerings in the Odyssey stable, their big winner last year was the Versa line, featuring the much-loved White Hot Pro insert. Proponents of the milled putter believe that the precise machining of the head allows the craftsman to create a geometry and face that puts the best roll on the ball. It’s a nice story, but what if an insert is just better?

Titleist ran (is still running?) ProV1 ads talking about their ball being the #1 ball on tour. Why don’t they run the same ads for Cameron putters?

I am a genuine fan of Scotty Cameron putters. The milled Futura X was a true 2013 stand out. Adam Scott putted lights out with the long version of the Futura X, but the reality is that Odyssey’s inserts still won more tournaments.

Phil Mickelson, the king of club tinkerers, won The Open Championship with the Versa. Justin Rose, hardly the tour’s best putter, won the US Open with TaylorMade’s SpiderBlade. That has an insert as well.

What we are seeing in the consumer market reflects what’s happening on tour. Pros are winning with cast insert putters, and consumers are buying them in bulk. I think they call that the pyramid of influence.

SpiderBlade Face

 

Evidence of Milled Survival

Golf Marketing Cycles

For the sake of calming down my alarmism, what if what we are seeing is just a dip in the natural market cycle rather than a plunge toward milled extinction?

In all fairness, I swiped the gist of that idea from one of the comments on the MyGolfSpy Facebook page. Honesty aside, I think it raises a truism about the golf market: it’s beholden to trends . We see things get hot, and then cool off. It happens all the time. Have we seen the last square driver? I bet one will surface again at some point.

Something will be the new hot thing in the future. That thing could be a return to milling.

Small Shops are Still Making Milled Putters

I believe what we are seeing is a shrinking of the milled putter market as opposed to its demise. Smaller companies like Bettinardi, Byron Morgan, Edel, Machine, Nead, and other will continue to produce high quality, limited run milled putters for the golfers who want them. There will always be some level of milled demand. Hopefully it’s enough to keep these companies and others in business. New companies, like Bellum Winmore and Low Tide, will take their shots at the market too; perhaps carving enough out of the diminished pie to keep their dreams alive while still making their mortgage payments.

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Big Companies are Still Making Milled Putters

It may actually prove to be the big companies that keep the milled putter alive. While Odyssey does focus a great deal on their insert lines, like the Versa, their milled lines persist. The 2014 Metal X Milled line is all milled, as are is the ProType series. That’s something, but even with a significant number of new Metal X Milled models in the offering, insert Odysseys outnumber milled ones by at least two to one.

 

Futura X

Scotty Cameron Makes Milled Putters

Have you asked your screen “What about Scotty Cameron?” yet? I’m not ignoring Mr. Cameron’s creations one bit. I think that in many ways Cameron putters are both the savior and the potential nemesis of the current milled market.

Scotty Cameron is the name in milled putters for the golf masses. Why would you spend $300+ for a putter that doesn’t have Cameron’s name on it?

Calm down small putter shop lovers. I’m coming from the land of regular golf shopper. I know that a golfer can get a Byron Morgan, Bettinardi, or a Machine putter for around $300, but the average consumer doesn’t likely know those names.

Some of those guys may not even know Scotty Cameron’s name, but they know Titleist. Titleist has brilliantly marketed themselves as “the best” in the market. People like to buy “the best”, and many will pay to get “the best”.

If you like milled putters, Titleist being “the best” is a good thing. It’s a HUGE GOOD THING actually. Cameron/Titleist putter sales perpetuate the perception of 100% milled putters being the best you can buy. Knowing that 100% milled is the best will drive people to ask “Who else makes 100% milled putters?”

That simple question makes the market bigger. Titleist and Cameron putter sales will keep the milled putter market going, assuming they don’t destroy it first.

What’s the danger?

Cameron putters set the price point. I was not pleased (and you probably weren’t either) when the price of a Cameron putter jumped from $299 to $349. $349 really turns me off, and I love many of Scotty’s putters.

I can almost see an impulse $299 purchase, but at $349, I say no. I assume that operating costs at the Cameron/Titleist shop went up, and that Titleist had to pass these costs along to the consumer to maintain profit margins. Maybe $349 is still a viable price for a milled putter, but the next bump…$399, or even $449; that could be fatal.

There is a point where even the most die hard Scotty fanboy will say “that’s too expensive”. That’s not a good thing for the milled market  overall .

As I said, the milled putter will carry on in the market. Titleist and Odyssey, along with the small shops will keep them alive. However, I reserve the right to change my mind should we ever see a new line of Scotty Cameron putters featuring plastic inserts.

That, my milled loving friends, would be horseman number four.

 

Scotty Cameron

Will the Milled Putter Make it?

What do you think?

Am I way off the mark here? Is the milled putter alive and well and I’m just seeing things?

If so, what do you think the putter market will look like in 5 years? In 10 years?

The only constant in golf equipment is change. For all we know, some new technology, like 3D printing, could emerge and change the putter market completely? How can any putter, especially an expensive milled one, compete against a putter that is printed to spec right in the pro shop? Maybe I’m just being overly concerned, and seeing the sky falling, but I for one would miss the milled.

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      Barry

      10 years ago

      I believe the new milled putter from oddassy specifically Metal X Versa milled putter may be the exception. I can honestly say the putting is a joy with that putter

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      Chris Downing

      10 years ago

      I think it unlikely that the milled putter will fade into obscurity, but there is no doubt cheaper costing putters are on the up. Probably because of marketing – i.e. big names using cast putters to win events – after all if you convince/pay the big names to use enough cast putters on the tour you are going to get wins.

      I guess the inside issue is margins. Getting cast putters made and assembled in Asia doesn’t take much accuracy and /or skill in production. Which in turn translates into a very low cost factory gate price – then you can chose to spend whatever your target price allows on marketing. Machining a forged putter head (even on a CNC machine) is always going to cost more – Mizuno talk in their descriptions of irons, that forged heads cost double that of cast heads and that’s why they cost more at retail. So if you wanted to maintain the same margins, then the retail price should be also double.

      I am a guitarist and you know what – we’ve seen the same happening with quality guitars and the dislocation of price points and manufacturing methods. In expensive Asian product coming in arguing they are the same as the well-known traditional build products. Cutting corners rarely produces the same product – but the pressure tells on the traditional product as new players get bamboozled by marketing hype and lack of understanding. Players like me have gravitated to quality guitars that do the best job at the right price – unlike top golfers, most players still buy their own equipment. Good stuff is an investment and once acquired, you leave the acquisition marketplace.
      There are surely some parallels with guitars. Surely a player who once has a great, quality putter (or two or three) leaves the market and sticks with that putter forever. The current usage of varieties of Ping Ansers under all the brands, surely is an indicator of that? The problem for a manufacturer is they haven’t developed their companies in a marketplace that searches for the best then sticks with that. They have developed a market that is always in search mode – new irons every two years – new Drivers every year – I know players who change all their clubs at least every two years. For the manufacturer that’s good marketing, that’s good profit. If 80% of those players behaved like musicians and said fairly early on, “You know what. These clubs are great; I won’t be changing these until the grooves stop functioning!” Hell, that’s a nightmare for the big brands.
      The Milled Putter I truly believe is a product bought by those who search and stick. It doesn’t have redundancy built in like cast putters that look like trash in one season because all the paint is chipped and it’s covered in dings. I’m sure the brands have calculated a price point where we are happier to replace with new rather than buy a lifetime putter. Over ten years the average cast putter customer probably buys five putters at a cost of say $700 (and maybe he gets $200 in trade-ins), the Scotty customer buys one at a cost of $300. Getting golfers to buy a series of putters is where the money is.
      This is a High Quality Car v. a Ford or General Motors Car comparison. Machined Putters are for the long term and Cast Putters are a low cost compromise that works in the short term.

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      Larry

      10 years ago

      End of milled putters? Right! Desperate for something to write about?

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      Dave S

      10 years ago

      Everything in the golf industry (and most industries actually) is dominated by cost and demand. If the demand is high enough, manufactueres can off-set some of the higher costs by charging the consumer more. I think the issue with milled puttes is that they are a victim of the current trend in the industry as a whole: “New technology!” With the number of people playing golf declining, there are fewere people buying golf equipment. In order to stay afloat, companies have to offset this by getting existing players to buy MORE stuff than they typcially would. How do you do this? You come out with 15 (sorry, exaggeration) new clubs a season, touting each one as having newer technology that make it better (straighter, longer, higher-launch, lower-spin, etc…) than the last rendition. And which clubs are the most commonly replaced by golfers? Drivers and PUTTERS… this is why you see many many different version from the same OEMs in the same season, but only one or two iron/wedge offerings. So, to get the existing, but diminishing number of players switch putters more often, OEMs have to sell the new model as somehow being technologically better than the last… and this is where the problem lies for milled putters… it’s a very difficult sell to the educated consumer that the mid-season milled putter and OEM just released is somehow better and more technologically advanced than the one you just bought 6 months ago – or for that matter, 6 years ago! The milling process my change some and be different from OEM to OEM, but the reality is that milling is an old-school method and it’s quite likely that the Scotty you just bought is very close to identical to the Ping Karsten your dad has. Face inserts, grips (i.e. Superstroke), weighting, MOI, COG are the only ways to distinguish putters nowadays and removing the face insert from that equation (arguably the most important with consumers), makes selling milled putters very difficult. There will always be a place for very high end milled putters (Scotty, BM…), but it’s just better business for OEMs to crank out lower price point putters as that’s where the bulk of $$ in the market is.

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      Mark VanTress

      10 years ago

      I think the market will contract and we will still see or maintain access to small boutique brands.
      The large manufacturers can invest in one or two multi-axis CNC milling machines and make milled putters in the hundreds per day.
      I do not know this for certain, but as a tool & die / “machinist” for many years, most small shops perform other jobs as well. They are not necessarily a club manufacturer. One would be surprised what even the major companies manufacture for other industries. Not necessarily golf equipment.
      Milled putters will be around. Right now it is the ebb and flow of the economy.

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      Jason Judd

      10 years ago

      Milled putters just a better feel but nothing worth paying 300 plus for.

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      wakit300

      10 years ago

      Interesting article Dave. I can see that the big companies value profitability and will do what they can to hold that line, whether it’s not offering a milled putter line or forged irons or whatever. Personally I can’t see milled putters going away, but I wouldn’t play with anything else at this point.

      Is the average golfer incapable of differentiating the feel of a high quality putter from the run of the mill (aar, aar) that are offered by all the big golf manufacturers? I don’t know. But I can tell you, from my perspective, that it only took 4 demo putts with a Piretti putter for me to order one and I haven’t regretted the cost or even looked at my old SC putter since. In fact my clubs were stolen in the fall of 2012 and the first thing I did after calling the insurance company was order another Piretti.

      What I find most odd about this whole discussion is why the aversion to $300 or more for a high quality putter? It’s the one club everyone uses on every hole and will be the one club MOST people will play with the longest. But those same guys won’t think twice about dropping $400 or more (economy be damned) on the latest and greatest driver that will hit, at most, 14 shots a round.
      Maybe it’s time for more people to think about paying more to get a higher quality putter. Then when your putting starts going sour (but it worked GREAT 2 months ago), instead of looking for a new putter, maybe you should practice or even (gasp!) take a putting lesson.
      Just my opinion :)

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      DG

      10 years ago

      Interesting article that covers a lot of ground. As noted market economics play a huge roll in product development and new putter designs that integrate unique performance features build demand and turnover with the consumer. Not much new in putters at the PGA Show but Dead Aim Putters introduced a new milled blade that allows their patented laser alignment that’s proven so popular with their mallet. This is innovation that combines feel and game improvement technology with a great look.

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      Regis

      10 years ago

      I have several milled putters including 2 or 3 that were crafted by Bettinardi when he was affiliiated with Mizuno. Love them to death especially on fast greens.. But truth be known I get better feedback and have more confidence with insert putters (TM Rosa and Odessey). for my usual round. My guess is that my stroke is probably not consistent enough to game a milled putterin unless I really want to spend more time refining my putting stroke.

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      pooch1964

      10 years ago

      I think the people who can play a milled putter are becoming extinct. All I know with my milled putter I can feel the ball on contact and through release better than any cast insert putter. Learn how to putt then try a milled putter and you will see the difference.

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      Gordon Steen

      10 years ago

      What is the importance of milling. If a putter can be manufactured by other means and still perform to the standards then surely it must have a place in the market.
      I have always said that first it must be pleasing to the eye, just like your driver. After that it’s how the ball reacts off the face. Many insert putters reduce backspin on the ball so getting it to roll out quicker. A putt that is rolling properly will not deviate from its line.
      It really then comes down to cost, and exactly how much a company can justifiably charge for their putters. Scotty Cameron play on their name and you pay a premium for owning one. Are they any better than their rivals I don’t believe so.

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      RAT

      10 years ago

      I have the Never Compromise Limited Dinero blade 34″ and I love it. The blade has better feel and control plus the looks are outstanding. I have many putters mostly mallets but this club has saved my putting game. Will only play a milled product from now on. The style and looks says craftsmanship..

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      Antonio

      10 years ago

      Dear Dave,
      I read your article and appreciated very much the accuracy of your analysis, but, of course I can’t fully agree with all the aspects. The first assumption is that the world is going through the biggest economic crisis since 1929 and this implies a considerable drop on expenses and investments. Markets, during these periods, use to react by giving very poor signs of growth, especially on sports and leisure sectors, but this situation won’t last forever. I also think that some of the episodes you mentioned (discounts and large quantity of milled putters in excess) are mainly the result of wrong strategies that many companies are now paying back. It’s important to recall that the milled putter niche is still unexplored in many European and Asian countries and this should convince many companies to look at the global market and not only nationwide for the future.
      Technically, there is no doubt that corps are investing on high margin products (casting vs milling) , but I believe that craftsmanship , uniqueness and precision with which milled putters are created could not be reproduced in series. I see growing sales opportunities within US and even more outside national boundaries but only if small companies will be able to look strategically to other markets with potential.
      Regards

      Antonio .

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      Dave Wolfe

      10 years ago

      Thanks for the reply Antonio. I hope the global market keeps the milled putter alive!

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      Foz

      10 years ago

      I agree with the downsizing of the milled putter lines…..many who used to game a milled putter are now perusing the market for less expensive alternatives. I applaud Nike as they converted their Method line to the less expensive Method Core line. The article above failed to mention the Nike line of milled putters and their conversion to the Core insert.

      I acquired a Method Core Drone six months ago and have developed a terrifically smooth stroke. I believe that Nike’s efforts to make a more affordable putter should be included in this type of article.

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      golfer4life

      10 years ago

      Great article that I would hate to believe could be true. I 100% agree with you about Scottie’s going from $299 to $349. There is a lot of room between those two numbers to play with. Was a big turn away to me also. Way to big of a jump imo.
      It really has to be tough for a start up company to get off the ground in that market. Lets face it, there isn’t a whole lot that hasn’t been done in the putter world. With that said, I would think finding your niche would be a tall task.
      I believe when TM went away from Kia Mia doing there putters it actually cost them. Seemed they were a bigger player in the market when they were still Rossa.
      As far as I’m concerned, I will always love the milled putter. I’v tried others and always end up back. I have two new Peretti’s on there way and can’t wait to get my hands on them. I want to tackle the FedEx person every time I see them pull in lol
      Make mine milled please with a side of jam everything else… ;)

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      Large chris

      10 years ago

      Good article…. I think the issue for the big 6 is purely financial. We all know that big business demands not just consistent but better returns on capital year on year. If they have a putter milled and assembled in China, it might have a manufacturing cost of 25 dollars, retailing at 300. But the same factory can make a graphite titanium driver for 15 dollars retailing at 350 dollars.

      The finance department will want that 25 dollar manufacturing cost reduced to 23 dollars next year. And year on year cost reductions.

      I think it’s crazy, I can’t see how you the big 6 can fail to make money on milled putters (tiny tooling investment) but because they can’t keep an upward profit trend to appease Wall Street they pull out.

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      Steve P.

      10 years ago

      My desire to own and play with ANY milled putter vanished the day thie article below hit the net in 2012.
      http://blogs.golf.com/equipment/2012/04/president-barack-obamas-golf-clubs.html

      Now that being said… Just got a chance to try out the new metal x milled series by odyssey (in Carlsbad at the Callaway performance center!) a couple days ago and they are SICK!
      Scotty is gonna get a big run for his money. These new putters from odyssey are incredible.

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      jgreen

      10 years ago

      The demise of the milled putter is greatly exaggerated. Milled putters will be around as long as forged irons are still in production. Forging heads, whether it be putters or irons is a very expensive process much more than investment casting. Milling from forgings is still the best way to produce a high quality great feeling putter, as well as iron heads.

      There will always be golfers that purchase the least expensive equipment they can find and there will always be golfers that want the best made, highest quality equipment they can find. There is no mystery to any of that. Economies will always have peaks and valleys, but as long as their are PayPal accounts that wives do not know exist, we are all in the clear!!

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      LeftyBob

      10 years ago

      The only putters I have bought since 1995 are cast pings with no inserts. I have played rounds with a borrowed Cameron Newport. The bottom line is I didn’t make any more putts with a $300 Scotty than with an $70 clearance anser. If a putter saved a stroke a round then the extra money pays for its self. In my experience it makes no difference over 18 holes. Success on the putting green has more to do with the person holding the grip than the head on the other end.

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      Golfer Burnz

      10 years ago

      Interesting you mention 3D printing. It opens the door wide, to any golfer who has an interest in design their own putter. Think back to how desktop publishing opened the door to anyone who had an interest in publishing or graphic design. Come up with a credible design on a computer and take it to someone who has a 3D printer or 3D milling machine, if you prefer a milled putter, you could even specify Damascus steel, 303 stainless steel, brass or aluminum for that matter and try out what material suites your preference on the design you want in a putter.

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      Eric

      10 years ago

      I never pay attention to OEM big market putters, but after spending some time in a golf mart this weekend I was appalled at the cheap looking TM putters. Those white things are absolute garbage. odyssey was slightly better. Ping about the same. The worst we’re the center shafted models, every one looked like the shafts was installed wrong. The forward shaft lean when the head was lined up square to me was horrendous. No wonder no one can putt with the too light too over designed cheap insert bad grips putters on the market. The Cleveland’s are the best for major brands, well made basic less than $125.

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      Marc Kilgore

      10 years ago

      I got tired of picking sand out of the insert on my TM Spider and bought a Futura X because I am tired of having these inserts getting nicked up and picking out grains of sand. Personally, I liked the feel of a insert, but I was replacing putters every year and got tired of it.

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      Aguy

      10 years ago

      Bespoke or made to measure is a smaller market than mass produced. It has its nuances and markers. When you buy a tailored suit it has functional button holes, perhaps a neopolitan unstructured shoulder, a slighter different color based on the small run of custom cloth. To those who shop at men’s warehouse these details go unnoticed. To those who view clothing as only functional, and don’t allow for aesthetic value, the price and detail seems superfluous and extravagant. But for those who consider the experience holistically, and acknowledge that artistry asks of us a suspension of strictly pragmatic or utilitarian considerations, who acknowledge a broader perspective (although hopefully stripped of preciousness) the milled handcrafted putter is something more. It is an object that helps us participate in an activity that gives us a glimpse of the transcendent. Sport, and golf as its regal embodiment, has this purpose. If it did not, why would I spend my money and time, on a silly ritual striking a tiny dimpled ball about the manicured wilderness? We could, after all drink the sacrament from a plastic cup.

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      flaglfr

      10 years ago

      This one is kind of a dilemma for me. Do I like milled putters; absolutely. Do I like putters with inserts; some. To me, the idea of milling is primarily to have a perfectly flat face. But how flat are the faces on today’s milled putters? With todays milled putters and the enlarged milling marks that are left on the face, how flat is it? We even have some companies (Rife, Taylor Made, and others) actually milling or molding lines into the face whether they are milled or not.

      To me the best benefit of a milled putter would be that no matter where you hit it on the face, It is going to give consistent loft, and roll characteristics from the putter you have in your hands. This would allow for consistent soft putts off the toe or heel as well as solid strokes off the center of the face. I am not totally convinced that this is the case with today’s roughly milled faces.

      That said, I have some great milled putters and some great synthetic faced putters. Both feel great to me on any given day and have produced their shares of birdies, pars and dreaded “others”. If I could just reload some birdies into a few of them….

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      flaglfr

      10 years ago

      By the way, The Edel Damascus putter looks bitchin’.

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      Forged branded

      10 years ago

      There is an interesting article I saw on FB. It’s about the economics of the middle class. Basically high end services and products are increasing while middle class services and products are reducing. The division of wealth is growing, and businesses that cater to high end products are doing better than business that cater to middle class. Olive Gardens are closing while expensive high-end French restaurants are opening up.

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      PAUL

      10 years ago

      Exactly. Unless golf as an industry looks at the larger picture the 1% that is doing well will not be able to support the entire industry. I understand the need to continue to increase profits, but if the disposable cash is limited and it is a choice between paying your kids tuition or a new putter the answer is simple. It might be a better idea to start looking at developing a line that will fit the pocket book of the regular guy. The problem is when a company starts at the lower end example Tour Edge they soon move to the higher end.

      The other factor that comes to play is the large endorsement deal, we are all paying several dollars from each purchase we make to pay the pro endorsing the equipment. Does it really matter to the average Joe or Jean that club is used by a pro. The clubs the pro’s use are nothing like the ones the average person buys.

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      Forged branded

      10 years ago

      From what I’ve heard forging a rough shape and then milling that head is cheaper than just milling from a block. The forging production is not about “grain flow” etc it’s about reducing the wasted material that gets shaved off when you mill from a larger block.
      When you mill a putter the standard is you get two heads from one block of steel. There is a lot of waste. When you start with a rough forged shape you just mill around that shape and create much less waste. Even the block of steel used to create two heads was pounded into shape, so the marketing idea of grain alignment is a little bogus.

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      DB

      10 years ago

      I think the future is cast putters with milled faces or milled inserts. You get all the performance with half the cost.

      And I say that currently owning only milled putters.

      Feel may not be identical to 100% milled, but feel is so subjective anyway. And with a cast head you could do all sorts of things with design… All sorts of polymer slots, cavities within the head, etc. Who knows. But you could try all sorts of things to raise MOI, change feel/sound, etc.

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      Bud Davis

      10 years ago

      Take a precision milled putter made by Titleist and remove the logo/branding. Take a nice cast, non-insert putter with the same shape, no logo. Let’s say they’re both plumber’s neck, 3/4 toe hang. Plug your ears thoroughly. Take a few putts with each. I CHALLENGE you to tell me which one actually helps you get it in the hole the best. If the answer is neither, WHY ARE YOU SPENDING $350+? Is it really for the logo?

      Golf is hard. Use equipment that actually helps you score. Paying $350 for a putter that really does NOTHING to help me score, but rather “sounds good” or is “just so purty” doesn’t cut it for me, especially in this economy.

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      Richard Park

      10 years ago

      I will only buy the niche market custom designed putters. I know zero about what is being offered from the OEM companies. Will the market diminish certainly, we’ve seen that. Go away I don’t believe so, more of a select client approach.

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      KFlare

      10 years ago

      Ping still offers a great all-milled option with the Anser putters (and the short-lived Sydney/Nome)…

      And I agree with TheHow, a milled face get’s you most of the feel and performance. The rest is aesthetics, which I love, but can’t justify for $350…

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      Christopher

      10 years ago

      I think it’s just peaks and troughs for milled putters. They’re a luxury item that the average golfer doesn’t really need but still wants. The inserts are more versatile but nothing feels like a milled putter!

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      James

      10 years ago

      Agree on most of the points. I think there is still plenty of room for the milled market. Even people with less discretion in their income know that the putter is the most influential piece of equipment of the game and will be willing to tinker with the putter and have more than one in their arsenal.. I think the big OEM’s have also sold the market on CNC milled putters have the tightest tolerances and because of that have the best feel and reliability as it relates to specs. For the most part, I can agree with that and for one trust a CNC milled putter more than I do a cast model. To me they just feel better and are more solid, not everyone likes that dead sound from a white hot. I hope Milled putters don’t die out, they are an art form and need to stick around.

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      TheHow

      10 years ago

      Also as a side note American golfers seem to be really cheap when it comes to putters. The used putter market FAR OUTDOES the new market as when someone is itching to get a new putter they usually just stop by a shop and walk straight over the the used stuff since all you are really buying is a hitting surface with less than 4 degrees of loft. The real new putter market is Japan where they seem to not care how much clubs are.

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      TheHow

      10 years ago

      The reason companies have stepped away from fully milled putters is because of how much they cost and the only slight performance gain from doing so. Cleveland got it right moving from a fully milled putter to a casted one that is finished off with a milled face. From what I can tell Never Compromise is still around they just act as a custom shop now so use their website. I honestly do not care how my putter is constructed as long at the CG is pretty close to the sightline and that the putter has a lot of the mass towards the front.

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      hckymeyer

      10 years ago

      I don’t see the milled market ever going away, but I do see it contracting. Some of the smaller fringe boutique companies aren’t going to make it. The pie just isn’t big enough to feed everyone. Look at Sunset Beach, they made a great product and had a decent following in the niche forum market, but they still went under. I would have said Piretti was in danger as well, but with Stensons fantastic 2013 season I think we will see more from them.

      The big boys are going to move to cast and inserts to keep cost down, but in theory that should actually help the smaller guys as it makes a little more room at the table.

      Going away? I don’t think so, but I do see it shrinking.

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      Nigel Carter

      10 years ago

      Your point is valid, but just so that you know, Sunset Beach didn`t go bust. LaMont Mann left to set up MannMade putters and Chris Jordan had a family emergency. Chris still intends to get Sunset Beach back on line after the hiatus and LaMont Mann makes some of the very best putters in the world.

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      Barnum

      10 years ago

      I love milled putters ! Would you like an insert on your wedges ???

      I have a Futura X and not because “Scotty Cameron” is written on it. I love this putter because it’s incredibly stable througt impact, very easy to align with and has a great feel and feedback !

      i hope the market will still provide good milled putters ! By the way i am surprised you didn’t mentionned Mizuno putters !

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      JM

      10 years ago

      Great article as usual.

      I think the two main issues are the economy and Scotty Cameron

      The economy sucks, period. Less people can justify shelling out $300-$350 for a putter every couple of years.

      And if you are going to buy a milled putter, Cameron offers the basic models that 90% of golfers gravitate towards. Camerons also hold their value much better than any other model, period. They also dominate the tour and the retail market. Why try to compete with them in a diminishing market? Just rely on lower price point models for the bulk of your business and you can always have a smaller milled line as a flagship line.

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      marty

      10 years ago

      i wouldn’t say that the economy sucks for everyone. for you and me, maybe, but not for the people who could afford to have a few milled putters in their stable. the richies arguably have more money than they had before the recession.

      let’s blame the milled putter’s demise on them.

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