LIV Golf: Rival Leagues, Legacies and The Color of Money
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LIV Golf: Rival Leagues, Legacies and The Color of Money

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LIV Golf: Rival Leagues, Legacies and The Color of Money

An awful lot has happened since our last installment on LIV Golf and the Saudis. For starters, the PGA Tour has fired back with a new compensation package for its players, including a guaranteed half million dollars for all players. Cam Smith, the world’s number two-ranked player, jumped ship to the new league.

Official World Golf Ranking points is the new battleground. LIV Golf is trying to use the minor, and largely inoperative, MENA (Middle East North Africa) Tour as a proxy to score OWGR points for its players. We’ll see how that turns out. If it doesn’t, we have Golf Saudi’s Majed Al Sorour threatening to create his own “majors.”

Oh, and we can’t forget one boffo No Putts Given episode featuring the always candid Hank Haney.

In our first installment, we investigated behind-the-scenes connections between Saudi Golf, a high-powered Golf PR firm in the UK and some of the internet’s most successful influencers. In this installment, we talk with legendary sports agent Leigh Steinberg and examine just what Saudi Arabia is looking for from its LIV investment.

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Leigh Steinberg – the Original Uber Agent

Leigh Steinberg’s very first client was his college classmate, Steve Bartkowski, who just so happened to be the number one pick in the 1975 NFL draft. Over the years, Steinberg has represented over 60 NFL first-round picks, including the likes of Patrick Mahomes, Steve Young and Troy Aikman. He’s represented athletes from all sports, negotiating contracts in excess of $4 billion for his clients.

He’s also considered to be the inspiration behind the Tom Cruise character in Jerry Maguire.

In an exclusive interview with MyGolfSpy, Steinberg says it’s important to separate LIV the rival golf league from LIV the Saudi-sponsored sports initiative.

Leigh Steinberg

“History is filled with examples of new sports leagues. Some survived, and some didn’t. But they all had the right to do it,” he says. “Every incumbent league acted in the way the PGA is acting towards its competition. ‘The new group is phony,’ or ‘It’s not professional,’ or ‘It’s not the same quality.’

“The new leagues were always denigrated.”

What makes LIV different from the original AFL, ABA, WFL or WHA, however, is the Saudi money.

“Every feeling person abhors the Khashoggi killing, the involvement of Saudi-educated terrorists in 9/11 and the human rights record of Saudi Arabia,” says Steinberg. “What gets difficult is when you see the president of the United States fist-bumping the prince to refresh diplomatic relationships.”

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LIV Golf Money: Green or Red?

In MyGolfSpy’s recent No Putts Given podcast, Hank Haney made it very plain. Yes, it is about the money. After all, for most of them, golf is a job.

“They can tell you they play for titles, but I sure didn’t see that,” Haney said on No Putts Given. “I saw guys playing for money. That’s what they cared about.”

Hank Haney

You’d think an agent who inspired a character who shouted, “Show me the money,” would be all about getting his client top dollar. But Steinberg says he wouldn’t present it quite that way.

“What you do is sit down with them and do a values check,” he tells MyGolfSpy. “How important are short-term economic gain and long-term economic security? And how important is making a difference in the world and being associated with businesses and causes that you believe in?

“For some golfers, they won’t want the association (with Saudi). But my guess is increasing numbers of golfers will succumb to the economic bonanza this league represents.”

A quick history check shows a couple of things about rival leagues. Looking back at the AFL, ABA. World Football League, USFL, and in particular the World Hockey Association, each new league opened up new opportunities for more players. And pay scales increased dramatically as the rival and established leagues would engage in bidding wars for top talent.

World Hockey Association

“Competition between leagues is always good for players,” says Steinberg. “It’s the only time they get their true value.”

A Different Point of View

At the LIV Golf event outside of Boston, I had the opportunity to chat with Anriban Lahiri who, along with Cam Smith, Harold Varner and others, jumped to LIV just that week. Lahiri is a talented, thoughtful and eloquent young man. And being from India, he has perhaps a slightly different view of Saudi than many Americans.

“India has a very different relationship with Saudi Arabia,” he tells MyGolfSpy. “As a country that has been plagued by wars, plagued by terrorism, we are very clear in understanding how some of these things work. It’s not black and white.

Anriban Lahiri

“I understand the angst. I understand the emotional aspect, and I respect that. But for us, it’s a different perspective. We look at Saudi Arabia as a strategic partner and as a country that’s going to help in the development of our country.”

Lahiri says friends and family back home have been very supportive of his decision to join LIV Golf.

“Over the past few months, a lot of my friends and a lot of the golf community in India have been asking me if I was going to go,” he says. “One of the gripes I heard from back home is that even when I played well, they didn’t get to see me play or hit enough shots. I think they’re happy about that now.

“I also think they’re happy that one of their golfers, who’s homegrown and home-bred, is being recognized on this platform. And it’s an elite platform, let’s be honest.”

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 “Whatabout-ism”

At this point in the LIV-PGA war, the battle lines are clear. The Saudi connection either bothers you or it doesn’t.

And if it doesn’t bother you, there are two additional sub-camps. One says since golfers chose LIV, they shouldn’t whine about not being able to play both tours. After all, you can’t play for the Yankees and the Red Sox at the same time.  The other side basically says, “Screw the PGA. Let ‘em play wherever they want.”

I did ask Lahiri about “blood money.” He gave me an honest if somewhat inconsequential reply.

Anriban Lahiri

“It’s a very one-sided question and the less I get into it the better,” he says. “There are a lot of facts going around that I don’t want to talk about because if I do it becomes ‘whatabout-ism.’ But when it comes to what about blood money, that’s not whatabout-ism. So, it’s a bit hypocritical in my mind.”

“Whatabout-ism” is a catchy but often shallow way of pointing out the hypocrisy of any opposing viewpoint. You’re okay with Saudi oil but not LIV? What about Starbucks, Disney, Boeing, Uber and all the other companies that Saudi’s Public Investment Fund has invested in?

And what about China?

“Sportswashing is the term,” says Steinberg. “Saudi and LIV are no different than China using the Olympics while they’re killing Uighur Muslims. There’s a long tradition of countries and corporations using sports to present a more positive image. It’s why they invest in the first place. It’s a smart strategy by a cruel country.

“Let’s face it. If it was just up to the ratings, there wouldn’t be all that much golf on TV. But it’s there because wealthy people like the association. They put their corporations in that position so they can go hang out at the Masters.”

Selective Outrage

In 2019, Saudi Arabia hosted a heavyweight title bout between champion Andy Ruiz and challenger Anthony Joshua. This was only months after the murder of Jamal Khashoggi.

“The plan is to make this (Saudi Arabia) the home of mega-boxing,” Eddie Hearn, Joshua’s promoter said at the time. “All due respect to Las Vegas, but this place has the ability to bring any fight they want here.

“And I also believe that no one has the right to tell a fighter how and where they can earn their money.”

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At the same time, Amnesty International called out the practice of sportswashing.

“All over the world, countries are using sport to promote a welcoming picture on the international stage, which often masks a very different reality for ordinary people living in those countries. And when the media circus rolls out of town, things go back to being as bad as they ever were.”

In regards to Saudi, the sportswashing message is to show that Saudi Arabia is no worse than China. Since everyone is “okay” with China, everyone should be “okay” with Saudi Arabia. When that equivalency is achieved, sportswashing has done its job.

Of course, that doesn’t fly with everyone. On No Putts Given, Hank Haney called it “selective outrage.”

“Saudi money is everywhere,” he says. “It’s even mingled with the sponsors of the PGA Tour.”

“I’m personally horrified by the behavior that country has shown,” says Steinberg. “I’d have a hard time in my own life aligning with that. But at the same time, I don’t think it plays that way in most of the decision-making that will happen.

“In other words, nobody looks into the background of NFL owners for the most egregious things they did. Are they all wonderful people? Maybe. But the point is are you not going to watch football because of whatever Daniel Snyder did?”

LIV Golf: Legacy, Schmegacy

To varying degrees, both Haney and Steinberg are in agreement over the issue of whether LIV will impact the legacy of any of the players. Haney believes players, for the most part, don’t care.

“People just make more out of it than it is,” he says. “(A player) is worried about paying his mortgage. He’s worried about making money for himself, for his family.

“Tiger – is he worried about his legacy? Well yeah, but it’s easier to say when you’re a billionaire.”

Hank Haney

“If this is the difference between complete economic security or not, playing the sport they love to play, they’re going to make that choice,” adds Steinberg. “Tiger Woods is an anomaly. The PGA stood by Tiger through all his problems, and he already has a billion dollars.”

The thing about legacy is that it’s a moving target. Kobe Bryant is a prime example. In July 2003, he was arrested and charged with raping a 19-year-old hotel employee in Colorado. It was a sordid case that was eventually dismissed when Bryant’s accuser chose not to testify. The tarnish eventually wore off. At the time of his death, Bryant was an icon and a proud #girldad.

“I don’t think any of these athletes will be permanently tarnished,” says Steinberg. “Forget how it looks right now because it’s all heated up. I think over time people forgive and forget.

“Do these younger golfers view it as a moral/ethical issue? Have they chosen to forsake their ideals for more money? I guarantee you for many they’re not even sensitive to the issue.”

Leigh Steinberg

A Bottomless Barrel of Cash

The AFL ultimately merged with the NFL, but at the time of the merger, the AFL was a healthy entity. The merger was a rare case of both sides agreeing that a single league would be stronger than two rivals. Both the ABA and WHA, however, were teetering on collapse when the NBA and NHL made peace. In both cases, the merger was on the established league’s terms. Only four teams from each league were brought into the fold and each team had to pay an expansion fee. The USFL and WFL, however, didn’t make it that far.

“What killed those leagues was they ran out of money,” says Steinberg. “The Saudis will never run out of money.”

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Does LIV have to make money for the Saudis to keep funding it? It’s easy to say yes. PIF is in the business of investing money and expecting a return. So far, LIV has earned virtually no income to offset the more than $2 billion invested. Aside from the cash paid to its players, LIV is also making hefty charitable donations in the communities that have hosted their tournaments. Ticket sales and Pro-Am fees, which we’ve learned are in the $10,000 to $15,000 range, are a drop in the bucket.

And despite what Norman has said, no big TV deal appears imminent. Whether the whole team idea becomes something the wealthy will invest in remains to be seen, but it’s possible. After all, Tom Brady just bought a pickleball team.

However, consider LIV as one small cog in Saudi Arabia’s grand Vision 2030 plan. Vision 2020 is a long-range plan to modernize and diversify the Saudi economy away from being solely oil-based. It includes promoting industry, manufacturing, service and tourism in the Kingdom. The goal is for PIF to have more than $2 trillion in assets by 2030.

If you need money for something, you’d go to the Saudis.

Saudi Arabia

LIV Golf = Overhead?

When viewed through the Vision 2030 lens, one can make a case that LIV Golf is, quite simply, overhead. No doubt the Saudis would love for LIV to make money. But if LIV furthers the goals of Vision 2030, the money invested will have an indirect return but will have done its job.

LIV Golf puts Saudi Arabia front and center on a very prestigious global stage. As mentioned in our previous article, the Kingdom, with help from Performance54, hosted a Golf Saudi Summit. More than 350 delegates from 24 countries attended, each described as “captains of industry and national leaders.”

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Golf and business go hand-in-hand. If you want outside interests to build factories or other businesses in your country, they’re going to want things to do. The Saudis have built several destination cities in the desert, with modern sports arenas, shopping and historical districts, and even a Formula 1 racetrack.

The pièce de resistance, however, is Neom, a futuristic megacity project which will be roughly the size of Massachusetts. Central to Neom will be something called the Mirror Line – two parallel 1,600-foot-tall skyscrapers that will be 75 miles long each. The project is expected to cost upwards of $1 trillion.

LIV, by comparison, is pocket change.

Against that backdrop, it’s easy to envision that LIV is part of the larger plan to make Saudi Arabia more attractive to investors. Golf, sports arenas, entertainment, modern cities and attractions are all part of the package. LIV simply has to remain viable long enough to follow in the footsteps of the AFL.

“Golfers want to play golf,” says Steinberg. “If they can do it for an incredible premium, I would say it’s inevitable. There will be an accommodation between the LIV and the PGA.

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      Andrew

      2 years ago

      I personally don’t care. about the entire situation, although I do find some humor in the fact a good ole boys club like the PGA feels threatened by LIV.

      I love to play golf, not watch others do it on television. While this was a well-written article, why are we even reading it here? I thought Mygolfspy was a website dedicated to helping us amateur players improve our own games with testing and product reviews?

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      Mike

      2 years ago

      This article was interesting & I guess everyone feels like they have to write something about LIV. But my sentiments are similar to yours. Other than the majors & the Ryder cup, I watch very little men’s golf. I will “tape” & then watch most LPGA events; hey, some attractive women hitting the ball distances that are more in line with my game allows me to sort of “play along” when I watch. But again, I’m taping those because the commercials have gotten absurd.

      I don’t begrudge any players for joining LIV, but I do see how it could lead to a watering down of PGA events. Having said that, I’ll still watch the majors, the Ryder cup & the LPGA, but I’d much rather be playing golf.

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      Will

      2 years ago

      Very good article and told without all the vitriol. Just an explanation of what is and how it all works. I think in the end Monahan has to go. He and the PGA Tour have handled this terribly. The changes they’ve made are so obviously in response to LIV Golf and it’s a bad look on them. It makes them look weak.
      Monahan has boxed himself into a corner. If they lose the lawsuit it will be disastrous. When LIV eventually gets OWGR points there will be a rush to the door. When it comes time to negotiate a truce and a deal, Monahan has made it impossible for him to be part of such an arrangement.

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      Spanky

      2 years ago

      I’m a fan of watching skilled golfers hitting the golf ball. I love watching Scheffler, Koepka, Cam Smith and Morikawa. I didn’t really care either way until Monahan started to threaten small business owners against working with LIV and doing everything he can to keep LIV players from participating in Majors.. I see no resolution with Jay in that position. That being said, I don’t see a resolution with the Shark spearheading things for LIV. They’ll both have to go before any resolution is made.

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      jonny

      2 years ago

      SA has also blown up the long overdue for overhaul AMA supercross scene with the new World Supercross Series. Guess who else Suddenly found more money for it’s players, aka riders….not nearly the weeping wimps the PGA.

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      Fozcycle

      2 years ago

      Very nice update JB. The money will always be there, I just hope the team concept stays in play. It adds a new dimension to golf as a game.

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      craiger

      2 years ago

      why is nobody talking about China and the NBA?

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      Mike

      2 years ago

      That relationship is so embedded in the fabric of the NBA that talking about it will only fallen deaf ears. Plus, in some way shape or form, the “woke” crowd will come after you if you bring it up.

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      Ned

      2 years ago

      The LPGA is working with the Saudis without any fanfare and seems to be working fine. Several of the players have commented it is elevating the the tour. The PGA approach is Jay Monahan being a dictator that he is is forcing the players to make a choice us or them. Has it been good for golf? Yes look at all the changes the PGA has made so far all because of the LIV. LIV and let LIV. For me it’s fun to watch much more relaxed and fun. PGA is getting dull and boring.

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      James

      2 years ago

      Saudi money is merely a straw-man! PGA Tour, in protecting its monopoly, would have come up with other attacks had LIV not been funded by Saudi money. For argument sake, it is much better spending Saudi money (diverting it from other purposes) than giving Saudi money, (such as pumping the Saudi imported gas into your car)! Smoking screen removed, the core issue is about competition. For players and fans, competition is almost always benefits consumers, except those those fat-paid bureaucrats and the likes associated with PGA Tour.

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      Tim

      2 years ago

      Everyone has their opinion so here’s mine, I favor the PGA product.

      And while we talk about human rights violations & there are too many, I don’t remember China backing a terrorist group that attacked the US on US soil..

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      Mike

      2 years ago

      The Saudi government backed 9/11, is that what you’re saying?

      “The 2004 Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States “found no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded Al Qaeda” to conspire in the attacks, or that it funded the attackers.”

      Let me guess, you don’t believe this, it’s all a big conspiracy.

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      MGoBlue100

      1 year ago

      You’re right. China attacks the U.S. directly every day. Electronically thru Internet warfare, stealing intellectual property, ignoring international patents and that’s just for starters. Saudi Arabia isn’t an innocent version of OZ, but they’re not close to the threat of China.

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      whitey

      2 years ago

      all going to hell in a hand basket , we cant buy anything , even just to survive, that isn’t tainted in some fashion….

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      John Paton

      2 years ago

      Great article and I’m a real fan of MyGolfSpy – I would suggest there wouldn’t be many countries on the planet that didn’t have a less than favourable “human rights” record – the real argument is actually about Jay Monahan’s dictatorial hold on things being challenged – all the rest is smoke and mirrors

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      Rob

      2 years ago

      Here’s the problem, this is all faux outrage. Where’s all the outrage for the LPGA? They have the Aramco Saudi Ladies Invitational and the Aramco Saudi Ladies Series, all funded by the same money as LIV Golf, the Public Investment Fund.

      Now the PGA Tour basically has done everything LIV is doing. What a joke!

      Another issue I have with all this faux outrage is every time Justin, Rory, Rahm, and any other superstar fill up their fancy Italian sportscars or luxury vehicles with you guessed it, gasoline, they’re supporting Saudi Arabia.

      Now onto the human rights issue, where’s all the outrage about the PGA Tour’s partnership with China? You want to talk about sportswashing, there it is.

      Beijing-based Shankai Sports signed a 20-year contract with the PGA Tour Series-China in 2018.

      Not only does Shankai have connections with the Chinese government, but the deal was financed by Yao Capital, a company whose principal is also a member of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference, a political advisory group to the Communist Chinese government.

      The CCP have murdered hundreds of thousands Uygers, in an attempt to eradicate ethnic minorities. This has also led to the forceful detention of over 2 million Uyghurs, used for slave labor. How do you think your precious crap from China is so cheap? Don’t believe me, go to https://uyghurnextgen.org/ to see what our own politicians and athletes are saying about the genocide.

      In the end, why is everyone so upset over an upstart league? If it fails then it fails, but if it succeeds it gives the fans more options. And no one has said anything about choice or what’s good for the fans, only boohoo for poor Rory or Justin.

      The sad part is Tiger had a meeting with the players to discuss loyalty. Really? A multiple affair drug abuser discussing loyalty? Now that’s something someone should feign outrage about.

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      Gord

      2 years ago

      It’s not about sportswashing or business dealings with the Saudis. It is simply poaching. The Saudis with unlimited funds have just swooped in and grabbed some top players from a firmly established league that invests a lot in developing players. And don’t tell me that PGA Tour players don’t make enough money. It’s greed and the ability to make a lot of money without putting the time in to get it. The other thing is, no matter how professional the Saudis make their entities look, it all comes down to the whims of one person and that could be the determining factor of success or failure.

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      Rob

      2 years ago

      It’s all greed! I want more, you want more, we all want a little or a lot more, that’s greed. What about the greed of NBA, NFL or MLB players when they sign max contracts only to decimate the rest of their teams because there’s not enough money to go around.

      Patrick Mahomes signed a 10 year, $450,000,000 contract with the Kansas City Chiefs, including a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $141,481,905 guaranteed.

      That’s not greed?

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      Javier

      2 years ago

      Great article John, like it or not LIV is going to be an agent for change on the PGA tour, or they’ll die. In fact there already has been stone change, allowing players to participate on the PGA board came around because Phil called them out, the only way he was able to really do that is because he had a bargaining chip, due to LIV.

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      Larry

      2 years ago

      Take away the purchase $$$$ to players and LIV does not exist , if this is still there in 3/4 years will they still pay players the kind of $$$$ to move to LIV…?

      Nice job…

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      Mike

      2 years ago

      It is ironic though, the PGA implementing a first tier and second tier event structure with tons of more money going out the door for seemingly all events.

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      indyvic

      2 years ago

      Very good article dealing with logic and common sense not emotion.
      I have yet to hear one professional Golf organization canceling their business dealings with S. A. either though the complaints continue as do the checks.
      What I consider a total hypocrisy of these ‘professional sports’ teams and
      individuals including the PGA, to have no concern taking millions from
      Chinese Nike Corp. and dressing like walking billboards considering their horrid human rights record. that no one ever mentions.

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      Mike B

      2 years ago

      Good article.

      It is, however, disappointing that My Golf Spy approved a reply to the story from a clueless, racist moron.

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      Joey5Picks

      2 years ago

      Did Trump reply?

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      Buckner23

      2 years ago

      No, but you did!

      Lance

      2 years ago

      Thanks for this article. I like the different perspectives. It does seem inevitable that LIV stays around for a long time. If this a PR campaign that has unlimited funds, then I can see it existing for a long time. For me, LIV is unwatchable. I’ve given it a go a few times and it’s just not that exciting. From a political POV, Trump is enough to turn me off to LIV permanently. No thanks to the MAGA rally in the stands.

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      Bob

      2 years ago

      The PGA should be careful. LIV was careful initially to schedule tournaments around PGA events. If I wee the money behind LIV at this point all future events would go head to head with PGA on dates and I would offer double the money or better to play LIV. If the PGA were smart they would allow players to play any event that did not interfere with a PGA event. There is absolutely no reason both leagues shouldn’t be able to coexist. People involved with the game of golf are still making the same mistakes they made 200 years ago. Trying to dictate where and when a player can play. It’s all about control and it is embarrassing.

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      Dick

      2 years ago

      I personally enjoy watching LIV golf on YouTube. The absence of mindless commentating while show very few players and their shots over up to 6 hours of broadcasting by media like GOLF channel is BORING. And the endless interviews with tournament sponsors has me reaching for the “fast-forward” button on my remote every time. Mu first recollection of televised golf was the bladed sand shot by Arnold Palmer on the 18th hole at the Masters when Gary Player won. In those years only 3-5 holes were televised and it was brilliant.
      I hope that LIV secures a major television deal soon and we can have McCord and Feherty together on a telecast. BRAVO LIV!

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      Mike

      2 years ago

      I use my on-demand to record all golf broadcasts so I can fast forward through the commercials and other luck. That 3 hours Sunday final round telecast comes in at maybe an hour and a half now. As a side note, I do this with football games also; that three and a half hour slog is now also about only 90 minutes.

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      Rob

      2 years ago

      Another great piece of journalism Barbs.

      Two takeaways, It’s nice to see someone in national media mention the wretched ownership of Dan Snyder. And trust me, there are plenty in the DC market who no longer go to or even watch the games because of him. They have honestly told me they are done with the NFL until he’s gone.

      As for the subject of the piece, I’m in the camp that I’m not smart enought to know about the sports washing or the companies that the Saudi invests in. But I’m like the goru8p you mentioned, if they want to go for the mney, all the power to htem, but don’t complain about not beingn able to play PGA Events or no World Ranking Points, you knew that wehn you chose to go.

      All the cliches about making your bd, and eating your cake apply. You can’t have it both ways.

      Great acess to and insgiht from Steinberg as well.

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      RK

      2 years ago

      I agree with the one point that if you go LIV your access to PGA will be limited as they are rivals, like the AFL and NFL were. However, I disagree on the World Ranking Points. While PGA makes up a part of the seven organizations that runs the OWGR entity that runs the World Ranking, it’s not the only tour on the board. World Rankings shouldn’t be selective, and the players have the right to dispute that, regardless of which tour they play for.

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      Mike E

      2 years ago

      My 2 cents on the topic:
      OWGR points should be available to every one, but everyone has to follow the rules, I believe if LIV gets everything straight they will get ranking points, right now they are just throwing a tantrum because they got good players and should be awarded points.

      And on the same lines, my problem with LIV and LIV golfers is simple, you wanted more money, you wanted less tournaments, different formats, etc., good for them go and stay there, and even it would be ok if they want to come an play other tours, but let players from other tours play in LIV, of course they don’t want to share those 25 millions pursues, and actually one of the things that need to be done for them to get ranking points is having a Q school and local qualifying for tournaments.

      Douglas Alger

      2 years ago

      Interesting article, but It doesn’t detract from the fact that Saudi Arabia subjugates its female population under the guise of religion.

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      Bill

      2 years ago

      That doesn’t seem to bother the LPGA, they are ready for a deal with LIV……..

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      Joe

      2 years ago

      “Two wrongs don’t make a right…

      Samuel Rainey

      2 years ago

      Good article John and I listened to the No Putts Given podcast with Hank about LIV. I went to the event in the Chicago area and loved it. I’ve been to PGA events in Chicago area many times and LIV was much more fun atmosphere not as stuffy.

      I look forward to seeing more LIV in Chicago. PGA. Your has abandoned the area. Took away regular events that used to be there annually.

      Anyway I like what MyGolfSpy does and very glad you guys are around to give an unbiased perspective

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      Douglas

      2 years ago

      While I agree with the logic of what Mr. Barra has to say, I guess what stands out is that Saudi is being picked on for its transgressions and other countries are not. They all do it, so the logic of this is why blame Saudi. So the bigger picture is then why does the world back these regimes like China and Saudi by holding major events in their countries. Easy answer, ‘money rules’ The Olympics should have been canceled in China and moved. The players supporting LIV are pariahs who have sold their soul to the devil for money and I sincerely hope the PGA Tour, the Masters, The Open, The U. S. Open and the PGA ban them. and we never see them again. Gotta start to fix the world sometime.

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      Glenn

      2 years ago

      It is really rich when any American calls out any other countries human rights record. How many African Americans have police officers murdered with impunity?

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      D Michael Bailey

      2 years ago

      The fist bumping assumptions are greatly stretched by the media and others. What’s the difference between fist bumping and hand shaking. Black’s have been doing it for years and more so after covid!!!!
      Fist bumping is less personal than a handshake but still a sign of salutation.
      Stay in the tee box

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      Mike

      2 years ago

      And now the idiotic “woke” mob checks in.

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      Adam

      2 years ago

      Do you not think that, regardless of Saudi money, and the furore around switching allegiances etc, that the LIV golf concept is just a bit ‘crap’…?!

      Reply

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