Mizuno JPX921 Irons and JPX Fli-Hi Hybrids
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Mizuno JPX921 Irons and JPX Fli-Hi Hybrids

Mizuno JPX921 Irons and JPX Fli-Hi Hybrids

This is it, people. The Mizuno JPX921 Iron is here, or at least coming soon. As a man who appreciates the beauty of MP but leans heavily towards JPX, I’m here for all of it. This is the one I’m always waiting for.

Fans of any one brand or even product families have stories, milestones … something you can point to on a timeline to explain why a product resonates with you. Maybe it’s a club you played back in the day. Maybe a brand rep liked your tweet. It can be any reason at all but for many in Mizuno’s camp, because it’s a Mizuno has always been reason enough.

Mizuno JPX921 Models

For me, it started with the JPX850. It remains one of my favorite irons of all time and I kick myself (several times a year) for ever letting them go. Within the broader Mizuno ecosystem, JPX850 was the iron that began reshaping and redefining JPX as something other than Mizuno’s game-improvement offering.

JPXEZ undid some of that but we won’t talk about that.

With the addition of a major-winning model, the 900 series cemented JPX’s new position as Mizuno’s modern-leaning technology line. The evolutionary JPX919 Tour can also claim whatever share of a major championship the equipment deserves – and witnessing it being made when I visited Mizuno in Japan – it will always be a special iron for me.

Mizuno JPX921 Hot Metal Pro

My Mizuno

To a degree, JPX is my Mizuno iron. It’s the one to which I’m most attached, whose development and iteration I’m most invested (even if they don’t let me help out with the design). So let me level with your right now. There’s plenty I’m excited about but I’d be lying if I told you I was without concern.

We’ll get to that.

Every iron release brings with it a tagline. Rather than step through all of them, I’m giving you two words that encompass everything Mizuno is doing with JPX921.

Spec Recalibration.

Not exactly Nothing Feels Like a Mizuno-grade stuff, but it’s important just the same.

MIzuno JPX921 Models

Mizuno JPX921 – Recalibrating those Specs

In a world of jacked lofts, over-emphasized speed and everything thing else that comes with modern irons, Mizuno needed to make some adjustments to remain competitive in the battle for yards and, ultimately, dollars.

At the risk of spoiling the plot, one of the most notable changes to the JPX lineup with the 921 release is that, save the Tour model, most lofts are one-degree stronger than JPX919s. That puts the JPX921 Forged 7-iron at 31 degrees and the Hot Metal and Hot Metal Pro pitching wedge at 44.

Jacked lofts? Et tu, Mizuno?

Frankly, they had to. You can take the pragmatic approach and adapt or you can be the guy clinging to tradition with one hand while holding a demonstrably shorter iron in the other.

That may not sit well with some traditionalists but let’s not lose track of the fact that JPX is modern by nature and JPX Forged wasn’t really competitive in the distance category, so some spec recalibration had to happen.

To give everyone time to come to terms with that, we’ll start our deep dive with the un-jacked JPX 921 Tour.

Mizuno JPX921 Tour

Mizuno JPX921 Tour

As I’ve hinted, the JPX921 Tour is the most unchanged of Mizuno’s JPX921 models. That makes sense given that, by comparison, the Tour model is light on technology and significantly increasing speed wasn’t on the to-do list.

Filed under “if it’s not broken, don’t fix it,” 921 Tour updates are subtle. The shape is already well-accepted on the PGA TOUR  (Brooks is happy. Enough said.) and the performance meets every expectation for the category.

Mizuno JPX921 Tour

A good bit of what’s changed with JPX921 Tour boils down to a re-engineered stability frame which is perhaps an overly technical way of saying Mizuno shaped things a little bit differently and put weight in different places. Fair warning: you’re going to be reading quite a bit about re-engineered Stability Frames as we work through this.

The JPX919 was toe weighted and while that remains true for the 921, it’s not as toe weighted. Pulling some weight out of the toe provided an opportunity to thicken the area behind the impact area. That should improve feel.

Mizuno JPX921 Tour

Mizuno JPX921 Tour – Increased Forgiveness

The Sweet Area – Mizuno’s preferred measurement of forgiveness – is a bit larger, too. Most of that comes from increased MOI in the up-down direction. That should give you what’s called “spin robustness.” It’s going to help keep spin numbers more consistent as impact moves up and down the face.

If you’re looking for a point of comparison, JPX921 Tour’s Sweet Area is about the same size as the Mizuno’s MP-20 MMC. It’s not game-improvement-level forgiveness but it’s more forgiveness than you might expect from a legitimate Tour iron.

Mizuno JPX921 Tour

Also evolutionary, Mizuno engineers narrowed the soles in the short irons for better turf interaction and a bit more workability. Long-iron soles are a bit wider to promote higher launch.

As you would expect from a Mizuno player’s iron, the JPX921 is Grain Flow Forged HD from 1025E mild carbon steel. That’s the magic that makes the soft feel happen.

Mizuno JPX921 Tour Address View

Mizuno JPX 921 Tour – Meister-Crafted

The JPX921 Tour is the first JPX iron to be hand-shaped by Mizuno’s Meister Craftsman in Japan. I’ve described the process before:

Every Mizuno MP golf club must pass through Yoro before going into production. As one of the final steps in Mizuno’s MP iron development process, the raw iron shapes created in CAD software are handed off to the craftsman. Their role is to further hand shape the product, grinding away any harsh lines and edges remaining from the CAD process, leaving behind Mizuno’s signature flowing shapes. Once the handwork is done, the Mizuno digitally re-scans the head to create the master mold. It’s an extra step that’s not common in the industry but it’s an absolutely integral step in the Mizuno process.

Finally, the JPX921 Tour leverages the same Pearl Brush finish as the JPX919.

JPX921 Tour Specs and Pricing

Mizuno JPX 921 Tour Spcs

 

Mizuno will offer the JPX 921 Tour in 4-GW. The stock shaft is KBS $-Taper. As usual, there’s no up-charge for the overwhelming majority of shafts in Mizuno’s catalog. Golf Pride’s Z-Grip full cord is the stock grip.

The retail price is $1,300 or $162.50 per iron. Available in RH only.

Mizuno JPX921 Forged

Mizuno JPX921 Forged

As you would expect, there’s some overlap in the evolution of the JPX921 Tour and JPX921 Forged. With the forged model, Mizuno also re-engineered. With the forged model, however, Mizuno didn’t increase MOI. Instead, it was able to maintain the MOI of the JPX919 while making the heads more compact.

As a guy who habitually gravitates toward blended sets, this is a big deal. As much as I love the 919, to my eye the 919 Forged always looked a little too big next to the Tour. A smaller Forged model should make for a smoother, more natural flow from Forged to Tour.

Along with the shrinking of the head, the 921 Forged’s topline is beveled to give a thinner appearance. Trailing-edge relief was added to the sole as well.

The sum of the changes creates what Mizuno describes as a slightly more player’s shape which makes the other updates all the more compelling.

Mizuno JPX921 Face

No 1025E

The remainder of the JPX921 Forged story presents a significant departure from Mizuno’s status quo.

Mizuno fans know the company’s forgings are made from soft 1025E carbon steel. That’s the rule – so much so that Mizuno stamps it into the hosel. Yes, I know Mizuno sometimes sprinkles in a bit of boron into the mix but we’re still talking about boron added to 1025E.

JPX920 Forged is different and, frankly, I’m a little concerned about how this is going to play out.

Mizuno JPX921 Forged

What the Hell is a Forged Iron?

Before we get into metallurgy, let’s start with a little background on what it means to be forged. Here’s the short answer: nothing.

The industry is excessively full of crap with how it throws around the word “forged.”

Cast body, forged face. Go ahead and stamp Forged on it because some golfers believe it’s better.

Forged body, cast face…screw it. We’ll call that Forged, too.

Form Forged (cast, then pressed). Yeah…also Forged.

Mizuno JPX921 Forged Address View

Much like “soft” in the golf ball world, within the iron world, “forged” has come to mean just about whatever a given manufacturer wants it to which unfortunately means it’s a word almost devoid of meaning.

If you’re willing to overlook the finer points, damned near everything is forged.

What JPX921 Forged’s cohort of competitors who offer semi-faux forgings have in common (other than playing fast and loose with the definition of “forged”) is that they leverage multi-piece and, often, multi-material construction to allow for thinner faces which create more speed.

Mizuno is holding to the belief that if you’re going to stamp Forged on something, the whole damned clubhead should be forged. That presents a challenge because Mizuno had maxed out what it could do with 1025E from a speed perspective. That left JPX919 as one of the shortest irons in its category.

I suppose super-jacking lofts was an option. Can I get a 39-degree PW? Instead, Mizuno looked to the materials.

JPX 921 – Forged Chromoly

Mizuno JPX921 Forged Chromoly

Borrowing from what it learned from two generations of Hot Metal, Mizuno is, for the first time, leveraging Chromoly steel in a forged model. The specific Chromoly Alloy (4120) used in the JPX921 Forged is well suited for Mizuno’s Grain Flow Forging HD process. It’s a multi-step process that involves taking a raw billet of steel and stretching it to align the grains in the steel before putting it into the forging molds and banging on it with an industrial-strength hammer.

Apart from the material, the Chromoly forging processes is nearly identical to what Mizuno does with its other irons. The only notable difference is that it takes four strikes (and four distinct molds) to forge Chromoly, whereas 1025E only takes three.

The point of emphasis here is that, unlike much of the competition in the distance space, the JPX921 is a true 100-percent forged, single-piece iron.

Milling for Speed

Mizuno JPX921 Milled Back Design

Once the head is formed, Mizuno creates a rebound area for the face by milling material from behind it. Back milling creates space for the face to flex. It’s where the speed comes from. Mizuno says it’s accomplishing the same function as its competitors without multi-piece construction, where welding a separate facepiece to the body can wreck the feel.

With a 31-degree 7-iron, the JPX921 Forged is still slightly weak for the category. Because of a significantly thinner and faster multi-thickness face and larger sweet area (compared to JPX919), Mizuno believes the new irons will more than hold their own for distance without paying a feel penalty.

Mizuno JPX921 Forged

Nothing Feels Like a Mizuno?

My concern – and I’m sure many Mizuno loyalists share it – is that Chromoly isn’t going to feel quite as buttery as 1025E – and what will that ultimately mean for combo set players?

Club engineers will tell you that feel is driven primarily by geometry and that materials and construction methods (forged versus cast) are, at best, secondary. Still, golfers continue to swear that Mizuno’s boron-infused offerings don’t feel as good as the other stuff.

Will that be the case with JPX921?

Mizuno has frequency charts that say JPX921 Forged should feel every bit like a Mizuno but, ultimately, golfers will decide.

Prove me wrong, Mizuno.

Mizuno JPX921 Forged Specs and Pricing

Mizuno JPX 921 Forged Specs

Stock shafts for the JPX921 Forged are the Nippon Modus 120 in stiff and the Modus 105 in regular. The stock grip is Golf Pride’s MCC+4 Grey. Retail Price is $1,400 or $175 per iron. Available in RH only.

Mizuno JPX921 SEL (Special Edition Lefty)

Mizuno JPX921 SEL

As it did with the MP-20 line, Mizuno has created a pre-bundled combo set for lefties. It’s not everything lefties want (what they want is everything that righties get) but it does provide a better option than Mizuno has offered in previous JPX lines.

The SEL set is comprised of JPX921 Forged in the 4- and 5-irons and JPX921 Tour irons in the 6-iron through gap wedge.

Mizuno JPX921 SEL

Note the length and loft progressions. There’s an even half-inch and four degrees between each club (until you reach the gap wedge). If you’re a right-handed golfer planning on ordering a combo set, I’d suggest you order to SEL specs.

Mizuno JPX921 SEL Specs and Pricing

 

Mizuno JPX 921 SEL Specs

The stock shaft for the JPX921 SEL is the KBS $-Taper. The stock grip is Golf Pride’s Z-Grip Full Cord. The retail price for the set is $1,325. Per iron pricing is $175 for the 4- and 5-irons and $162.50 for the 6-iron through gap wedge. Available in LH only.

Mizuno JPX921 Hot Metal and Hot Metal Pro

Mizuno JPX921 Hot Metal

Here is, to me, the wildest Mizuno sales stat. Despite being known and loved for its forged player’s irons, Mizuno’s two cast models (JPX Hot Metal and JPX Hot Metal Pro) outsell all of its other models combined. Together, they account for roughly five percent of the iron market.

Sure, game-improvement is where the money is but it’s nevertheless mind-boggling to me that Mizuno’s biggest needle movers are cast GI sticks.

Mizuno JPX921 Hot Metal

With that in mind, it’s reasonable to assume that part of Mizuno’s design strategy with the 921 Hot Metal was to not screw anything up. The rest of it was about creating even more speed.

Guess what Mizuno did to make that happen? You guessed it (maybe). It re-engineered the Stability Frame. Nothing in JPX921 Hot Metal represents reinventing the wheel. Instead, Mizuno took what it learned over the first two generations of what’s proven to be its most popular product ever and looked for opportunities to optimize the design.

Mizuno JPX921 Hot Metal Address View

Cast Chromoly

The material is the same. Mizuno is still using Chromoly 4140M. It’s similar to the material used in the JPX Forged but it’s been modified for better flow in casting molds.

To create more speed, it tweaked Hot Metal’s CORTECH face making it thinner, faster and more consistent. The thinner face works in conjunction with refinements to the seamless face cup to allow for more flex. Flex almost always equals speed.

With JPX921, Mizuno was able to push the sweet spot significantly lower. That allowed for stronger lofts (one degree across the board). Mizuno’s promise isn’t just more distance; it’s more distance without sacrificing launch angle, height or landing conditions.

Mizuno JPX921 Hot Metal Pro

As part of those mass property changes, Mizuno made both Hot Metal and Hot Metal Pro heads a bit larger on average – though blade lengths in scoring irons are shorter. With JPX921 Forged smaller than its predecessor, Mizuno saw an opportunity to create further separation between models.

As a point of reference for Mizuno JPX921 Hot Metal blade lengths, they’re similar to Mavrik, T300 and SIM Max. Hot Metal Pro remains one of the most compact game-improvement irons.

Mizuno JPX921 Hot Metal Pro Address View

The size boost is one of the reasons why the sweet area of both irons is larger than JPX919’s. The combination of sweet area, conventional MOI and launch conditions provided by the low and deep center of gravity is why Mizuno continues to believe Hot Metal is the best game-improvement iron on the market.

Finally, Mizuno has improved Hot Metal’s sound ribs. That gave Mizuno a little bit of weight to put towards forgiveness and should also improve feel.

Mizuno JPX921 Hot Metal Pro

Mizuno JPX921 Hot Metal and Hot Metal Pro Specifications

Mizuno JPX 921 Hot Metal Specs

The stock shaft for the Mizuno JPX921 Hot Metal is the Nippon NS Pro 950 NEO in steel and UST Recoil ESX in graphite. The stock grip is Golf Pride’s MCC+4.

Retail price for the Mizuno JPX921 Hot Metal is $125 per iron ($1,000 for the eight-club set)

Available in both RH and LH.

Mizuno JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro Specs

 

The stock shaft for the JPX921 Hot Metal Pro is the Project LZ Black. The stock grip is Golf Pride’s ST Hybrid.

Retail price for the Mizuno JPX921 Hot Metal Pro is also $125 per iron.

Mizuno JPX Fli-Hi Hybrid

JPX Fli-Hi

Rounding out the new Mizuno JPX lineup is the third generation of JPX Fli-Hi Hybrids. Billed as The Precision Hybrid, it’s one of the more sensible offerings I’ve seen, especially for those who view hybrids a continuation of their irons.

The most visible change is the elimination of Mizuno’s swooping drop-down crown. It created some limitations around what Mizuno could do with the face. It’s also safe to assume that not everyone loved the way it looked.

JPX Fli-Hi

Leveraging a traditional crown design allowed Mizuno to use a much thinner 17-4 steel face. That’s part of your speed story. The rest of the distance boost comes from the stronger lofts needed to keep up with increasingly stronger iron lofts.

Compared to JPX irons, the deeper center of gravity and extreme back weighting of the FLi-Hi should make it easier to launch while producing more spin and a steeper, softer-landing descent angle. To level the numbers, the hybrids don’t follow the same length and loft progression as the irons (they’re longer and weaker). That might sound a little scary but the Fli-Hi hybrid is engineered to go the same distance as the irons. The difference is in how you get there.

JPX Fli-Hi: Two More Things

JPX Fli-Hi

There are two other things about the JPX Fli-Hi that are worth pointing out. First, it’s bendable. Mizuno can adjust the Fli-Hi to match the lie angle of your irons. That’s not a small thing for someone whose irons are two degrees upright.

Second, it’s only $125. That’s the same price as a Hot Metal iron. It’s half the price of Mizuno’s CLK and pretty much every other hybrid on the market. The objective is to get golfers into the clubs that will best help their game, period. No up-charge.

Specs, Pricing and Availability

The 2021 JPX Fli-Hi is available in #4 (20 degrees), #5 (22.5 degrees), #6 (25 degrees), and #7 (29 degrees). The price again is $125 with any of Mizuno’s no up-charge shafts and grips.

Available in RH only.

The Mizuno JPX921 family of irons and hybrids is available for pre-sale beginning Aug. 31 Full retail availability starts Sept. 12.

For more information, visit MizunoUSA.com.

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      Joe

      2 years ago

      Cautionary tale: Starting my 3rd season with Mizuno JPX-919 Hot Metal Pro. I have no complaints about performance. However, I noticed that the back cavity in multiple places on multiple clubs are starting to RUST. (These clubs are cleaned after every round and pampered.). Mizuno’s response to me is that this is to be expected since golf courses using various fertilizers etc etc. The most astonishing part of this is that they created a club that they expect to rust if you use it on a golf course. So, I guess, I am just warning any considering purchasing these clubs to be aware. I could go on about Mizuno’s lack of customer service but I’ll stop here.

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      Jay

      2 years ago

      Are the bounces correct on these irons? It seems that the bounce on these irons are so much less than other brands’ irons.

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      Okii Mike

      4 years ago

      Good stuff as usual, Tony. I’ve been playing JPX 850 Forged for more than a few years and still love them even though my swing has evolved substantially over that time. I’ve liked the size/profile of these much more than newer iterations. I went for a custom fitting yesterday (MP 20 MMC) and ended up just ordering new shafts (n.s. MODUS3 Tour 105 X) and grips (ST+2 Hybrid Calibrate midsize) to fit where my swing is now (wish I has done this a year ago). I’m still interested in the MMCs (which I personally found to be fine for distance, workability, and forgiving enough) but with the new 921 Tour arriving soon I’m (happily) kicking the full upgrade down the road. I’ll be looking at some graphite shafts for the new set, but couldn’t justify it for my old 850 Forged set.

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      Moo

      4 years ago

      These will be the 4th generation JPX Fli-Hi hybrids. I play the 919 3rd gen version and also had the 2nd gen JPX EZ version. The 1st gen came out 2011-12?. Ask Chris.

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      Bill

      4 years ago

      100% going to schedule a fitting for a right handed set with the SEL specs. The 4 degree gaps are absolutely perfect and I wish OEMs built to those specs. I carry a 19* CLK hybrid turned down to 18*, so the set progression works perfect for me. I don’t understand the loft jacking because unsuspecting consumers are probably carrying hybrids that are the same loft as their low lofted irons. So silly, I’ll never understand it.

      Been playing X100s for years in my MP20s and 825pros, but I think I want to try some different shafts.

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      Cotton Combs

      4 years ago

      Great review Tony! I love MyGolfSpy and get all my equipment news here now – haven’t looked at Golf mag in a long time! I have the JPX 919 Hot Metal irons now. While I don’t be updating to the 921, I would probably update to the 923 perhaps. Two years it too close in a cycle for me. However, the 919 Hot Metal is the best playing, best-looking iron I’ve ever owned. A few months ago I was fooling around at my local PGA Superstore and I put them up against a Ping G410 iron. I found my Mizuno’s to be higher and longer – against a Ping? That says quite a bit in my book. For anyone interested in getting the JPX 921, I can tell you, these irons, in a Recoil shaft, with the grey Golf Pride MCC4 grip, you will own the best looking game improvement club on the market – period! The thing about this line that I like so much is that they hide the GI characteristics a little. I’m really hooked on Mizuno. I saw a previous comment that said their custom ordered was screwed up; my custom order was perfect – they were spot on.

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      The Smogmonster

      4 years ago

      Man I get pissed when major manufacturers like Mizuno freeze out lefties on some of their offerings. I would love to at least try the new Fli_Hi but nope, not happening. That sucks! Especially when the CLK didn’t live up to the hype.

      I played the Mizuno T7 Wedges that were forged with the addition of Boron. They felt as hard as any cast club. I play the 919 Forged irons and they feel way nicer. MMMM…. buttery!

      The 919 Forged irons paired up with the SteelFiber 95 shaft is by far the nicest set I have ever hit. Hope the 921’s feel as good.

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      Jerome

      4 years ago

      is it possible to make a combo with the jpx 921 tour and the jpx921 forged with the loft of the forged series?

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      Jerome

      4 years ago

      is it possible to make a combo with the jpx 921 tour and the jpx921 forged with the loftS of the jpg 921 tour ?

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      Jerome

      4 years ago

      is it possible to make a combo with the jpx 921 tour and the jpx921 forged with the loft of the forged series ?

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      Thilo

      4 years ago

      Great article, in depth as I like it and are used to read here. I am a Mizuno Player and love my old hot metal 900s.

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      Brian Stehle

      4 years ago

      I’m a huge Mizuno honk way back to the 90s. I sent my 25 year old son this article and looks like he’ll be joining dad!

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      mackdaddy9

      4 years ago

      Wow those sound great

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      Mike

      4 years ago

      Good, thorough review of the irons, but why is it such a shock that the hot metal and hot metal pro outsell or there are other irons combined. Folks, for all the talk about players iron this, players irons that, a MAJORITY of golfers should be playing with game improvement irons. (we’re talking the entire golfing population here, not just single digit and better players).

      These clubs are great looking, but I’m not a Mizuno guy. Ordered JPX hot metal irons last year, 3° upright and Mizuno COMPLETELY screwed up the lie angles on ALL the irons. (in some cases they were 4° off!). And they were extremely indignant when the manager of the big box store I bought them from called them to highlight their error (I listened on the call). So to me Mizuno’s will always be like the hottest girl at the strip club. I’ll look, I’ll admire but won’t touch.

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      tscdave

      4 years ago

      Both of today’s posts showed some beautiful clubs! Keep up the good work.

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      bob

      4 years ago

      I don’t like the SEL stamping on the back of the left handed model. I like to put my old Mizunos on ebay, advertise them as right handed and by the time the clubs arrive at the buyer’s house I have cashed the check, closed my ebay account and shut down my PO Box. With the SEL on there it makes ebay scamming much harder. Just put the proper right handed club name equivalent on there please.

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      Bob

      4 years ago

      You give left-handed Bobs a bad name.

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      Bob

      4 years ago

      Looking forward to demo these irons. The fli hi 7 iron would be a god send for my buddies.

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      Oweno2

      4 years ago

      The fli hi hybrids sound very interesting the 6 and 7 could be a great addition for us older (60+) golfers!

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      Steven M.

      4 years ago

      My first set of Mizuno’s were the Comp EZ and sold me on the brand. Currently playing the the JPX 850 forged irons for several years- very workable clubs for shot shaping. You peaked my interest, so maybe time to move to the 921’s. As a wrong sided golfer, it’s a bummer the Fli-Hi’s aren’t available.
      as a senior player my hybrids are #4 and #5. Maybe next year?

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      Tim W

      4 years ago

      Playing with the 919 JPX Mizuno Hot Metal Pro now. I have played the 919JPXHot Metal and Ping G410.. I love the 919JPX Hot Metal Pro. The head size is perfect for me. Smaller but not too small. Ball zips off the club nicely. For the first time in years I have a beautiful draw. I feel I have finally found irons that work for me.

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      Shane FitzGerald

      4 years ago

      Bounce Bounce Bounce… would love to hear your thinking on why Mizuno’s irons have such low bounce compared to other leading OEMs. Hot metal 9 iron = 3.5 bounce. Ping G410 9 iron = 11 bounce. Is this a matter of measurement or a deliberate design choice based on different course conditions in Japan vs USA? Have been wondering about this for years!!!

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      OttawaP

      4 years ago

      Wondering the same thing. Must be how the soles interact overall with the ground.

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      OttawaP

      3 years ago

      Just got fitted for the hot metal pro’s. All i can say is wow, what a set of irons. Hopefully it wont be too long a wait to receive them. I’ll be working with them all winter and be dialed in by spring.

      Tim

      3 years ago

      More so than bounce on irons, the sole interaction, IMO, is dictated by the sole design. I.e. sole width tends to play a bigger part in sole interaction vs bounce in irons.

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      X Wedge

      4 years ago

      Solid review and information. An thoughts on a timeline for their next line of wedges to coincide with this iron release? Released the T20s in September of 2019 if I’m not mistaken. Will they release a new line in 2020?

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      Brandon

      4 years ago

      They came out today as well.

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      Matt Blankenship

      4 years ago

      Tony,

      Nice review. I too am a “Mizuno guy” going back to MP 57, JPX 825, MP-H5, JPX 900 forged and JPX 919 forged. It has been interesting to watch and play the transitions in the JPX line. The only one I skipped was the 850, the 825s being very comfortable for me.

      As the loft jacking progressed, Mizuno did jack them in the 900 forged. The 919s backed off a degree in nearly every club.

      What is missing is the club length discussion. The 919s compensated for increasing the loft by lengthening each club by 1/4 inch. My distances didn’t change much, if at all, from the 900s to the 919s. Now I see that Mizuno has not only jacked the lofts back to the 900 lofts but also increased the club lengths by 1/2 inch (assuming they are the same length as the Tours). I can’t find the club lengths for the 921 Forged set but it’s possible that they left them alone and only lengthened the Tours but I doubt it.

      My rule of thumb is choke down an inch to take off 5 yards so for most of us a 1/2″ here or there isn’t going to be noticeable given how purely we hit each shot.

      I’ll probably sit this one out, unless I go to a fitting and then I’m a sucker for shiny and new.

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      Tony Covey

      4 years ago

      It looks like there was a glitch with the specs we received. Everything is listed as 1/2″ over what it actually is. Working on getting that fixed now.

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      Scott S

      4 years ago

      Personally I think this issue of loft-jacking really has to come to a head. I vaguely recall a discussion not long ago about doing away with club numbers in favor of lofts. It would make a lot more sense to just go ahead and follow the wedge marking process and stamp the loft on all the club heads. I know I hit my 23 degree (5I) 190-195, so with a loft angle stamped in place of a number I know if I pick up the 921 Tour (or my old MP-52s) I’ll need to use the 4-iron for that distance, but if I pull a 921 Select or Mot Metal out of the bag I am good with the “5-iron.” Sure, there will be learning curve for all of us who numbers on our current set, but moving forward there won’t be a bunch of gaping maws on the tee when Bob the town duffer pulls the new Trampoline Face Forged Carbon-fiber hear Ball Smasher “5-iron” (with a 4 degree loft) out of his bag and pounds his tee shot 140 yards by everyone else hitting drivers. It will also keep the marketing hype down and if we find ourselves on travel and needing to rent clubs we can adjust faster for that odd round. Seems like basic good sense to me at this point; but I can see where it will be as hard as moving to the metric system for those of us raised up using inches, feet and yards; I mean have you ever tried to play a course measured in meters?

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      dr. bloor

      4 years ago

      Ben Hogan tried this a few years ago, and people hated that as well. The notion that a 7 iron MUST be 34 degrees and MUST have a “7” stamped on the bottom is a tenet of faith, and simply rejects the idea that changes in club head design allow for (or in some cases, necessitate) shifts in loft.

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      Austin

      4 years ago

      How does this line of clubs compare to the MP 20 line? Are the JPX Hot Metals similar in forgiveness to MP 20 HMB?

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      Christian

      4 years ago

      The JPX line, in general, is more forgiving than the MP line

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      Scott Francis

      4 years ago

      Well this is the first Mizuno JPX forged Model going back before the 850 thats not in LH thanks again Mizuno!! So the SEL goes after the 10% of the 10% of lefties who are golfers.

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      Emil

      4 years ago

      Nice update to a great line of irons!

      Spec? More offset on Tour than Forged?

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      Dennis Farrell

      4 years ago

      Well I’m on my third set of Mizuno irons (JPX919 Hot Metal Pros) the are amazing
      Like the look of the new Irons also quite line on seeing what the JPX Fli-Hi Hybrids. are like especially at the price shown

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      Michael

      4 years ago

      You will probable never know. This is because Mizuno is now only making the 921 forged for lefties in a 4 and 5 iron. Then you have the tour or the large hot metal versions to supplement. I’m a lefty as well and always feel left out by Mizuno. I’m disappointed to say the least. I try to support their company and I like their products (the ones I can actually use) but I’m repeatedly reminded they just don’t want my business. It’s not worth it to them. Im not part of the profit, therefore not part of discussion or final decision.

      I’m interested in upgrading from my hot metal to the pro or the forged and I’m not a tour model player. Oh well, again the option is not there. But I’m sure they want me to try their driver in my upcoming fitting…But sad to say I’m not going to try it. I won’t even take a swing. I’ll look at the other brands that can give me options. Call me petty, but I always feel like I’m getting the hand me down from my older sibling and that Mizuno thinks I should be grateful for getting something. I’m not. It has taken me years and hard work to be able to splurge (and I do feel it’s a splurge) to spend 1-2 thousand dollars on a hobby. Why must I feel disappointed after buying from Mizuno that I couldn’t get even try what I really wanted? Ok, That’s my rant and I’m sticking to it. Good luck if you can use their product. They have lost me.

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      Chris Freitag

      4 years ago

      Tony, as always, an outstanding and insightful overview of the new Mizuno JPX 921 line of irons. Look forward to trying the new forged 921 when they become available for fittings. Well done.

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      Richard Hoalcraft

      4 years ago

      I am a senior and am looking for max-forgiveness clubs. Advice?

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      Jonathan Rowe

      4 years ago

      Cleveland Launcher HB Turbo

      Reply

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