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A 273-Yard Par-3 Is A Crock Of Horseshit

Riviera Country Club is among my favorite golf courses in the world. I just ranked it as my No. 1 course among annual PGA Tour stops.

But I truly don’t understand what is happening with the par-3 fourth hole.

Architect George Thomas’ Redan-style hole was recently lengthened nearly 40 yards from 236 to 273 yards ahead of this week’s Genesis Invitational.

Nope. I hate this.

I know par is just a human construct—more on this in a moment—but I don’t really understand the point of this change.

A hard hole gets even longer for no reason

A Redan is a classic template hole born at North Berwick in Scotland. The point, generally speaking, is to challenge players by asking them to hit a longer club into a 45-degree-angled green with a large slope that funnels the ball toward the middle of the green.

Any Redan makes more sense when conditions are firm but that can be a tough ask in February where rainy days are more likely in Southern California.

This hole has been among the harder par-3s on the PGA Tour for a long time. It was the third-hardest hole on the course the last time the Genesis was played at Riviera.

There’s a good reason why that’s the case. If players carry their tee shots to the green, it’s likely they will find themselves over the green. If players carry their tee shots a little too short, the sticky kikuyu surrounds tend to stop balls in their tracks.

On a great golf course, this is not a particularly great hole. You could successfully argue it’s the worst at Riv. Ben Hogan once called it “the greatest par-3 in America.” I named my dog after Hogan but he might have missed the mark on this one.

Players were hitting the green just 15 percent of the time when the tee was at 236 yards, an insanely low rate for Tour pros coming into the green with long irons.

Difficulty is great. I love difficulty. But this is a hole that has been difficult in a boring, kind-of-a-crapshoot way for many years. When you have 15 percent of Tour players hitting the green, that feels like a signal that something is off from a design perspective.

Now let’s push the tee back about 40 yards? What?

“I actually think it’s a horrible change,” Rory McIlroy said. “Well, like 15 percent of the field hit the green last time when it was played at its original yardage at 230. Like, if you want it to be a 275-yard par-3, you have to change the apron leading up onto the green.

“It can’t be kikuyu. It has to be another type of grass that can help you run it onto the green because again, in the right conditions, you try to fly that ball on the green with a 3-iron, it’s going to land, it’s going to finish up on the fifth tee box. That’s sort of what I mean by why it’s not a great change.”

OK, they aren’t playing it all the way back every round—but you are inevitably asking more guys to hit fairway wood (or maybe a mini driver) into this green.

The rationale is that players will be coming in with lower trajectories so they can run the ball up to the green easier. There is a bigger shoulder on the right side of the green that is supposed to push balls down toward the green more.

But the theory of it is different than the reality.

“It’s too soft, unfortunately, to have a lot of control to say, ‘Man, I’m going to play a tight 5-iron and run it up,'” Collin Morikawa said. “I think a lot of us play it left to chip uphill, but with a 3-wood in hand, that cart path on the left, honestly, comes into play because the dispersion just gets that much bigger.

“I think it’s just a very long par-3. There’s not a lot of thought to it other than just kind of hitting the green and moving on, unfortunately.”

Bingo.

As I’ve talked about in the past, lengthening golf courses is the most brain-dead form of challenging elite golfers, a decision that can have consequences on recreational golfers. It’s like baseball reconfiguring its stadiums to push the home-run fence back.

And lengthening an already difficult par-3 is even worse.

But isn’t par just a number?

The counter argument here is that par is just a concept.

A golfer’s job is to get the ball in the hole in the least number of shots as possible. Whether it’s a par-2 or a par-7 doesn’t matter. Everyone plays the same hole.

If you made the fourth hole at Riviera a par-4, wouldn’t it be the same thing?

Yes and no.

Yes, it wouldn’t change the hole. The lowest score still wins.

But when you have a par-3 that was designed as a par-3 and is this long, you are basically just asking guys to slap something up near the green and try to get up and down.

There is virtually no strategy involved and there is almost no hope of getting the ball close.

There also isn’t really any danger involved with the hole. It was designed as a par-3 with a ton of space around the green. The primary hazard is that it’s a long hole and controlling distance on that long a shot is difficult. We’re left with a chipping contest to see who makes par.

Now let’s contrast that with the famous par-4 10th at Riviera.

You could, in theory, call that a par-3 given how every player in the field can reach the green with their tee shot.

The thing is, there is strategy to the hole. There is danger to the hole.

Almost every player goes for it—but what line they take is a differentiator. It’s basically impossible to get the ball close off the tee. You have to hit your tee shot into the proper section and then get up and down. If you don’t, you might end up in one of the death spots around the green. You have a real opportunity to make a bogey (or higher). That’s how it was designed.

If you made the fourth hole a par-4, nobody would ever make a bogey.

If you made the 10th hole a par-3, nobody would ever make a birdie.

That doesn’t really make sense, right?

It’s not so much the par as it is the intention of the design.

Par-3s this long don’t make sense

Name every great par-3 in the world.

The 12th at Augusta. The eighth at Royal Troon. The 11th at St Andrews. The seventh at Pebble.

The majority of them are shorter than average. They are great because of their design features, not their length.

Of course, there are some really strong long par-3s in the world. I’m thinking of the 16th at Royal Portrush or the 16th at Carnoustie.

But even those par-3s are capped at around 245 yards. And, as we saw during the Open Championship last year at Portrush, plenty of players could still make birdie around Calamity Corner.

I just think that when you back up a par-3 into that fairway wood range—some pros need to hit driver on Oakmont’s 289-yard sixth hole—you are basically saying that the hole’s main defense is length. And it’s just not very entertaining.

Great short par-4s are built to provide a razor-thin dividing line between taking three, four or five strokes.

We see that each year at TPC Scottsdale’s 17th. It provides that dividing line.

A long, boring par-3 built on length alone doesn’t provide that.

This is not even mentioning that brutally long par-3s have to be played by mere mortals the other 51 weeks per year. They are even less fun and interesting when you’re asking a 15-handicapper to chop a driver up near the green and figure it out.

In closing, extremely long par-3s like what we are seeing at Riviera are a crock of horseshit.

Agree? Disagree? Let me know below in the comments.

Top Photo Caption: The fourth hole at Riviera was lengthened for no good reason. (GETTY IMAGES/Paul Mounce)

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      Hervé

      4 months ago

      Is Par really the point here? I think there are three ways to look at it, whether from a Pro, amateur or a viewer stand-point. From a Pro, tournament, stand-point, PAR has close to no meaning, and the only thing that matters is whether you played better or worse than your competitors. When most tournaments end up at -10 to -20 under par, it is clear that par is just an arbitrary number. Much more relevant is the fact that many tournaments end up with too many players within one or two strokes. Does this yield the best player as the winner? Not sure. So back to the point, which is that you want to make the holes more selective between players. In this case, it is interesting that the longer hole does not necessarily favor the long hitters, for a change, but probably more the accurate hitter that will hit the right spot for his second shot, and then delivers on his second shot. I am not arguing whether this is the right way to do it or not, but if it helps separate the players, I think it has some value. I am sure there are plenty of ways to achieve the same goal, but I don’t think that whether or not the length is right for a par 3 really matters in this case.

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      mg

      4 months ago

      Today’s golf architects are all for show, a cancer has taken over the design game. These dolts have made golf slower and more expensive. They should be in a crow bar hotel.

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      Rollin

      4 months ago

      #4 par 3 at Rivi played 3.153 average through 2 rounds. Sounds fair.

      Reply

      Scott

      4 months ago

      It played 232 yards today

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      Ernie NOT Els

      4 months ago

      I track every round I play each year, the entire season. My par-3 performance is pretty decent but I make the fewest birdies on them. My approach is always to make par and move on, which means I strive for GIR and NO 3 PUTTS. Of course it doesn’t always work out that way, but I get par 65% of the time. When I’m on the par-3 tee boxes scoring 2 is never on my mind.

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      Glenn H

      4 months ago

      I agree completely. I’ve thought for a long time that par 3’s are just getting stupid. Some of the best I’ve watched are short holes where players have to be precise. The thought of having to play long shots in to par 3’s is just boring. surely there is a method of making a par 3interesting without just adding 40 yards to it. Slopes and swailes in the green, more and deeper bunkers give a challenge

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      Turtlehacker

      4 months ago

      Well, in the future if Rory gets his way on the golf ball rollback issue, then maybe they can shorten this hole to a 40-yard par 3 in which most pros are hitting their five irons to try and reach the green.

      Reply

      Archie Shipp

      4 months ago

      I am torn. On one hand, I agree that a hole should be defined by traits other than length. However, a worthy pros should be good enough with their long irons, hybrids, and woods to play a longer par three. Amateurs must play those clubs into greens constantly. My home course, Wild Wing Avocet, has a 180- 210 (from the whites!) par 3 12th hole with an immense bunker fronting most of the green and Forest immediately behind it. To par it, one must fly the bunker and land softly on the green with hybrids or fairway woods. Any other club choice or landing zone inevitably leads to bogey or worse. If we can make the occasional par or even birdie with a wood in hand, the pros should be able to as well.

      Reply

      Mark T.

      4 months ago

      I agree with the message of this article, but you lose credibility as a professional writer with your word choice.

      Reply

      Scott

      4 months ago

      Agree completely. Time to start calling folks on their language choices.

      Reply

      Ben

      4 months ago

      Are you actually offended by the language choice? If you don’t like it go elsewhere for your golf content. All I know is that you’ll be missing the most comprehensive and relevant views in golf today. It’s your choice.

      BR549

      4 months ago

      Coarse language does not make me squeamish in the least, nor do I view MGS as a high-brow golf publication, so I am certainly not disappointed. However, is it really necessary to use such rough language to make your point? If your readership demo is the group throwing up behind the tent on #16 at the WM then carry on. BTW, I do agree with your point.

      Reply

      John

      4 months ago

      I’m still looking for the “course” language? Your writing is mild compared to that heard on the golf “course”.
      Keep the straight up opinions and great writing coming!

      Reply

      Tim B

      4 months ago

      Lengthening this par 3 is almost as stupid as supporting the proposed ‘golf ball rollback’ changes. The ‘high profile’ rollback supporters all have a financial ‘dog in the race’ so it is not surprising they are vocal – but this does not mean they are correct. The best par 3s on the Tours are mostly short, where there is significant risk/return and where amateurs (= 99.9999999999% of the audience) can identify with the (short) distances and applaud precise shot quality …. whilst also being disappointed with the misses (more relatable for most of us) ….

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      Hopp Man

      4 months ago

      I hate long ass par 3s, over 180 from the whites, and this hole is stupid, it makes no sense, better design and leave the length where it was at, that is all that was needed not this dumbass 270+ yard tee box.

      Reply

      John I.

      4 months ago

      Is there some reason why my comment wasn’t published? I would like to know.

      Reply

      M. Collins

      4 months ago

      Yes, similar to the par-3 4th hole at Riviera, your comment exceeded the standard 250-yard… err… -letter limit.
      Horseshit, indeed!

      Reply

      Terfra

      4 months ago

      Not only do I not have a problem with it, I applaud the change. Pros play a different game and I much more enjoy a course where par is a challenge. It’s unfortunate that these changes need to made as opposed to limiting the professional ball, but as long as bifurcation doesn’t gain traction, keep making them longer and harder!

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      Adam

      4 months ago

      Let’s just make every par 3 350yds by that logic. Idiot.

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      Ted

      4 months ago

      I think you spoke too soon, idiot! I fully agree with Terfra and make some par 3’s under 300 yards in length and watch how the big boys play the hole.

      Kyle

      4 months ago

      The reason it’s lengthened is because they are hitting 7irons 200+ yards!!!!
      I have no problem with the change….

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      Gerald Foley

      4 months ago

      I was fortunate to play Myopia Hunt Club in Massachusetts a year ago. It’s a classic track that is hard to describe but up there with Riviera. The members refuse to change it’s character so it’s too short to host a modern tournament but did host the US Open 3 times in the 1800’s and early 1900’s. Two of their holes are on America’s Top 100 Golf Holes. I thought I would shoot a respectable score on such a short course with my 6 handicap but it ate me alive. I suspect if I played Riv even from the “up” tees I would struggle. I am friends with a well known tour caddy who tells me Riviera is beloved by tour players as probably in everyone’s top 3 with Augusta and Pebble. They literally don’t make courses even close to those 3.

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      mg

      4 months ago

      Myopia is one of the most underrated courses in the World. And to think most members Fox hunt or play Polo instead of golf.

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      Sonoma Valley Tom

      4 months ago

      My old home course located in a senior community had a par 3 where the back tee was 230 yards. The forward tee was still 182 yards. The ladies absolutely hated that hole. The groups of 70 year old women never have a chance to make par. Despite their complaints over the years course management has not moved the forward tees closer to the putting green.

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      John I.

      4 months ago

      What is missing from the article is the “why”, as in “why” was the hole lengthened in the first place? From what we are told, at 236 the hole wasn’t exactly a birdie opportunity, so what was the thinking (if any) behind the yardage increase?
      Before we start ripping Riviera for the decision it would be nice to know the rationale that prompted the change so, in our infinite golf wisdom, we can reach an informed conclusion. Without that information, we are just stirring the “crock”.

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      KeithHan79

      4 months ago

      Contrast the Par 3 4th hole at Riviera with the Par 3 6th. It’s a medium length Par 3 with a pot bunker smack dab in the middle. Hit it to the wrong side of the bunker from the flag and watch the fun begin. I look forward to 6 and 10 at Riviera, as a fan. The 4th is merely tolerated.

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      john rogers

      4 months ago

      Wow, that’s a par 4 by all standards – ridiculous!

      Reply

      Dave T

      4 months ago

      Love this very direct and blunt analysis. And I agree with it!

      Reply

      Jeff Taverna

      4 months ago

      I completely agree. At our club we have an ugly 205-220 yard par 3 which I am continually lobbying to change. For a 15 handicapper to be expected to hit a green from over 200 it will always require a fairway wood and will rarely be able to hit it. Par 3s should be reachable with a long iron. These pros are not able to hit this green with an iron and that indeed makes it a croc.

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      Brad

      4 months ago

      I agree that simply lengthening a par 3 is not going to challenge players strategically. They would do better to redesign the green complex to add some real challenges, like sand and/or vegetation and then shorten the hole to a distance that even mere mortals can play. As a golfer and a fan of professional golf I like to see the pros play holes that I would enjoy playing, even if my skills wouldn’t allow me to play as they do.

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      Dean D

      4 months ago

      Adding a Pro Tee box is an easy fix without tricking up the hole for members & guests. Welcome to golf for shorter hitters on 210 yard par 3’s where good players are often hitting hybrids or 7 woods.

      Torrey Pines has several tees only used for pro tournaments – fun to play once a year to see how much better the pros are but impractical for normal play.

      And as an editorial comment I prefer using the term Horse Manure in print that gets widely published or read.

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      REC911

      4 months ago

      Is it down hill and plays more like 240? In my league, we played a course multiple times with a 212 par 3. (elevated green) Pretty much a bogie + hole for most of us but the real good players got a nice par most of the time. Pro’s can play a 273. It is called a challenge. Unlike the par 5s that they all reach in 2 now. Not a challenge. I think the pros are forgetting it is the final score that matters, so not that big a deal that you cant get an automatic birdie on this hole every time. Should be fun to watch!

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      Larry

      4 months ago

      1000% correct. & let’s rollback the ball while we’re at it, say another 20 yards? Horsepoop.

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      Dave Cope

      4 months ago

      Totally agree on a 273 yard par three. Don’t care about the ball roll back either. We all play by the same rules, if they all shot very low scores then mission accomplished course playing equal to all. What tour needs to look at to make driving accuracy harder to accomplish. If pros are carrying it over. 300 yard bunker put a second one just ahead of it and pinch it into the fairway. My home course keeps taking out traps to save money but they are making courses easier.

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      robert stout

      4 months ago

      Well as Rory told Grayson Murray… “play better”… they are pro’s… they need to adapt… don’t like the setup? don’t play

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      Jeff. Webb

      4 months ago

      It’s like me playing a 190 yard Par 3.

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      Nick

      4 months ago

      Thankfully no-one tried changing the Pistage Stamp at Troon. The Open competitors found it hard enough without lengthening

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      greg

      4 months ago

      This hole plays basically the same as it did fifty years ago. It is meant to challenge the player to make par. The professionals today hit equipment way longer than they did years ago. The holes need to adjusted to compensate for this.

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      Jp

      4 months ago

      They hit the 5 iron 225 yards so i dont see a problem with this.

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      Andrew the Great!

      4 months ago

      But it’s not 225. It’s 50 yards longer. So the reference to a 5I is meaningless. As Rory said (it’s right there in the column), “you try to fly that ball on the green with a 3-iron, it’s going to land, it’s going to finish up on the fifth tee box”.

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      RC

      4 months ago

      Boo Hoo! The pro’s have a lot of nerve complaining about not being able to figure out how to dominate a hole. They practice so much, and are so good, we NEED to see situations that make them struggle. In my opinion, this article is horseshit – and I really respect this writer, but in this case…boo hoo!

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      Marcos

      4 months ago

      You’re not playing it so don’t worry about it.
      There .. I saved you and MGS time you could better spend on something besides your opinion,

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      Divot4224

      4 months ago

      Agree with DD. Rory makes $100 million every year and complains about one hole. Get real. I face the same problem with every par-3 over 160 yards that I play. It’s golf, it’s supposed to be hard. Get up and down and go to the next hole. And for the record screw the USGA and their ball rollback. They screwed up the long putter and now they would like to screw up the ball. God knows what they will do about slow play. Shorten the courses to 15 holes like TGL?

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      Darren Fahlbusch

      4 months ago

      There are soooo many ways to challenge golfers on Par 3’s that don’t require adding length. Green size, shape and contour create challenges. Bunkers and runoff areas create challenges. Hazards and trees are visually challenging to the golfers eye. Adding length is just lazy.

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      Sam Ramos

      4 months ago

      It’s dumb beyond belief. It’s not even fun to watch

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      peter rose

      4 months ago

      This take is fine for us mere mortals, but for the pampered fucks on the PGA Tour this hole isn’t really hard. They haven’t even played it at 273 yards. It’s playing at par this week. If anything the hole is boring. The course is actually boring like most PGA Tour venues. Driver wedge. Driver wedge. Driver wedge. Roll back the ball. Limit driver head size to 380cc and bring back skill to the professional game. Bomb and gouge isn’t really skill.

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      albatrossx4

      4 months ago

      Oakmont 8 is 300 plus, this is what you get with the hot ball. And until everyone accepts that a roll back in necessary it will continue to happen, sure it is horseshit, this was one of the toughest holes on tour at 240. The game is not sustainable until we do something to protect courses from better and better athletes, of course better stronger players no matter what ball will still shine, but can we afford the optics of more and more land, more water, more chemicals more fuel and of course more expense to play.

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      O-heyguys

      4 months ago

      They’re the best in the world. Chill the F out.

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      Scott

      4 months ago

      Agree. Courses on tour don’t need to get longer, they need to get tighter. Narrow the fairways and make greens smaller. Basically the opposite of what they’ve been doing at Augusta National.

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      albatrossx4

      4 months ago

      Really and how do you do that, do you know what it takes to grow the rough etc to accomplish you goal? MONTHS and tons of water, guess what, nobody in the real world could play those courses many are resorts in the weeks before a tournament, losing 20 balls a round in the rough is no fun and 7 hour rounds looking for balls. I played a 9 hole course in Kent Oh, great little course but the rough around the greens was around 4 inches deep, just miss a green and take 2 or 3 minutes just to find it.

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      Bob

      4 months ago

      You make the fairway right at pinch points say 300 yards
      Won’t affect is mere mortals driving 220 yards that can still be a wider part of the fairway

      Tim

      4 months ago

      It was said in the article that there is no strategy involved but if you read Morikawa’s words it sounds like there are multiple options, but they are just scary options. Much more strategy than a short par 3 where everyone hits a wedge into the green. With that being said, I think a par 3 that long is just plain dumb.

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      Colin Montgomerie Fan Club president

      4 months ago

      This is a GREAT TAKE. I bet your dog knows the difference between pronation and supination when holds a bone.

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      Stephen

      4 months ago

      I totally agree. Broadening out the discussion, it’s clear that making a golf course longer is not how you challenge professional golfers. Want to make it hard on them? Grow the fairway and water it so drives don’t run out as much. Grow the rough so it’s an actual penalty, especially around the greens. Go to golf courses with trees, so made tee shots are penalized. Those sorts of agronomy choices challenge the best players far more than adding another 300 yards to the overall course.

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      Brian

      4 months ago

      Agree 100%. Adding length is lazy design. The one thing that always seems left out is pro golf is a spectator sport and that is what drives the money. Watching the top players play for bogey with no chance of a risk/reward shot is also boring from a fan standpoint. Number 10 is great because we as fans are treated to all kinds of heroics…or flops, it makes for great drama and TV.

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      Ryan

      4 months ago

      I would much rather see some type of mid to short iron, with a green that is difficult surrounded by trouble. Where a good shot is rewarded and a bad shot is a true test of the short game. There was a par 3 at the 2023 US Open that the players had like 85 yards, that was fun.

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      Fake

      4 months ago

      Our local executive course has a 60 yard par 3. Sand in front, water in the back. If you don’t stick it, you are in trouble.

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      Carm

      4 months ago

      A course by my parents has a 85 yard par 3 that’s onto a small green with a 20 foot drop off 3 sides. Sounds like it should be a simple shot but the nerves start flowing every time i step on the tee box.

      Will

      4 months ago

      I’m convinced the people making these “lengthen everything” decisions don’t actually play the game, and also have a length problem of their own, if you know what I mean.

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      Fake

      4 months ago

      I don’t know what you mean.

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      Fake

      4 months ago

      It’s one hole. Leave it alone.

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      tsheaffer23

      4 months ago

      I agree 100% with the determination of this article. Most of you telling the players to shut up and quit whining can’t hold a green from 150 yards out, let alone trying to hit a hybrid or fairway woods to a par 3 over 200 yards. I have no issue with making the pros struggle, but this hole is idotic at best.

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      burke lake pro

      4 months ago

      This is a real problem in the amateur game as well. Once you get past 175 yards or so you’re basically making it a par 4 for the majority of duffers out there, and anything over 190 is just unfair. You’re also creating a huge bottleneck that leads to 2-3 groups standing on the tee waiting…
      Par 3’s don’t have to be long to be challenging–tee-green elevation changes, slopes on greens, good bunkering etc. can make even a short par 3 challenging. Enough of the ego-length par 3s–save that for the par 5s, if you must…

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      Morse

      4 months ago

      You, sir, are 100% correct. There’s a 200 yard par 3 at a course near me, and that’s from the white tees. Always a bottleneck, because most people are just trying to get a 4 or 5 on the hole. You are also correct, in that there can be challenging shorter holes. I’d like to see more done with the greens versus just lengthening the hole.

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      Josh

      4 months ago

      This 1000%. Every time I see a muni or local course that has some stupid 210+ Par3 (from the Mortal Tees even, not the tips!) it inevitably anchors the slowest part of the round. God forbid you have ‘real’ hazards around it that result in people forced to hit driver wandering the wasteland in search of a ball they saw go in…

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      Doug Mael

      4 months ago

      Once you get past 175 yards or so you’re basically making it a par 4 for the majority of duffers out there, and anything over 190 is just unfair …. You are joking, correct?

      Even at age 76, I like to see one par three of 190 yards or so on any 18-hole course that I play. Now, 230 yards+ is crazy for most amateurs and older golfers, but there’s always the forward tees for those people. For the record, I played North Berwick at age 75 and the redan par-3 was playing at 215 yards to the middle of the green, and about 225-230 to the pin, and into the wind. I hit a 5-wood to the front center of the green and it rolled to the back fringe. Should have made my birdie putt, but walked off with par.

      273 yards for the pros? Silly — yes, but the average golfer doesn’t play the hole at that distance, or anywhere near that long.

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      burke lake pro

      4 months ago

      “You’re joking, correct?”
      Nope, not joking. Just because you hit one lucky shot last year has no effect whatsoever to do with what’s going on with 90% of amateur golfers. Pros playing that long–whatever. It’s too long–and takes too long–to play in the muni game.

      DD

      4 months ago

      I know this should probably be viewed from a spectator, and what will it do for people watching the event on TV. Personally I have no problem with it. I am getting so tired of the whining from tour pros. I am about a 12 handicap. Guess how many (long irons +) I have to hit into par 3’s. EVERYTHING that is over 175 yards. That’s 5 iron up to not infrequently having to hit 3 wood for some 210 ish holes if its into the wind.

      I’m going to go on a little rant now!
      NEVER an unraked bunker! REALISTICALLY never a ball lost in play! OH WAIT I can use the grandstand as a backstop, AND get free relief. THE SMALLEST OF imperfections marked off as GUR in fairways (BY THE WAY RORY THATS MY ENTIRE FAIRWAY MANY TIMES). i could go on and on but I’ll spare everyone! “Oh The Humanity”! The pro’s might have to make a “perfect shot” to reach a par 3 in one and have it stay on the green, and if not they might find the rough ACTUALLY HARD TO GET OUT OF. OMG let us not treat them this way.
      It is only my opinion, but someone needs to tell them that whenever things they say, seem like whining, it is driving people away. It’s unfair! No Rory what is unfair about golf, is when my ball lands in the middle of the fairway which is a burned out brown patch, I have some “Rules Dictator” telling me I can’t count that round because I’m moving my ball to a patch of grass in fairway.
      That is why I ONLY watch the majors, the players, and the DP world tour event in Kenya (because I went there and played golf there).

      OK I’m all better now!!

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      Kenny B

      4 months ago

      I agree with you! Pros never play the same course as we find it. With that said, I think they are smart enough and talented enough to figure out how to make the best score on that hole and move on. Sometimes players have to manufacture a shot besides flying the ball onto the green. If a ball bounces off the green long, then play a shorter club. If the shorter club lands short and sticks, then play a different shot with the longer club. They are good enough to figure it out, and maybe we get to see more short game wizardry. What’s the problem? If they make a bogey, so what?

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