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AskMyGolfSpy Vol. 28

Welcome back to another edition of #AskMyGolfSpy where readers like you submit your top questions to our experts here at MGS. You can pass along your questions to the team on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram or right here in the comments section below!

Here’s what you asked us this week.

What one change (rule, etiquette, etc.) would do the most to speed up the pace of normal, amateur, hobbyist play? – Bobby Norwood

I’ve always felt the onus should be on the golf course to enforce pace of play and yet so few do. Isn’t that what rangers are for? Maybe the rule should be that any course that can’t maintain a sensible pace of play has to refund your money.

I’m also a fan of shot clocks and punishing infractions with electroshocks but if we’re limited to the rule book, short of capping the score at double-bogey, I think doing away with white stakes (out of bounds) and playing OB as a red-staked penalty area would simplify things quite a bit and help to speed up play as well.

What companies give you the hardest time about testing their gear or just won’t play along? -@29TimKing

I love these “inside baseball” type questions.

At one time or another, we’ve fought battles with nearly every larger manufacturer (though PING and COBRA have been easy to work with through the years). These days, we don’t have any issues with anyone. Sometimes a larger company may not want something tested but that’s usually the really niche-y stuff that doesn’t fit within our testing protocols.

Along similar lines, not everyone agrees with all our testing protocols but most understand why we do things the way we do and the challenges that come with testing the volume of products we do.

All of that said, sometimes a smaller company declines to participate and we have to decide whether they’ll be missed if we don’t include them.

Are you surprised that TaylorMade is still the only manufacturer to use a carbon driver face, that they’re still only using it for the driver, and do you think other manufacturers will follow suit next year? -@jodrell

The red carbon face of the TaylorMade Stealth 2 driver

Nope. TaylorMade says it took 20 years to make the technology viable and I’m guessing most others weren’t even looking at it. We’ve seen good results from the Stealth lineup but it’s certainly not a case where TaylorMade drivers are inarguably better for everyone. They’re not blowing away the competition.

It’s also important to understand that carbon fiber faces don’t scale well. That is to say, size is what allows them to work. With that, it’s unlikely you’ll see them on fairway woods, hybrids or even mini drivers.

The bottom line is that I think most everyone is comfortable with what they’re using right now and while you might see changes here and there, I still think it’s going to be a while before anyone else make a carbon driver face.

Do you think premium ball prices are getting out of hand? – @ChuckyLav

At this point, I’d say it’s something to watch. As long as lower-priced alternatives are available (and there are plenty of them), I don’t think it’s too much of an issue.

2024 should provide a clearer picture of where things stand. Bridgestone, Callaway and Taylormade are all expected to launch new premium balls next year. Will those companies raise prices to match Titleist or are they content where they are? I’d bet at least two of the three bump their prices. 

Ultimately, the consumer decides. As long as $55 golf balls sell, companies will continue to sell $55 golf balls.

Why isn’t Noodle the #1 used golf ball on the PGA tour? -@bogey_golfer

I think it’s been all downhill for the Noodle brand since Gary McCord got kicked out of the Masters broadcast booth. That said, with a rollback in the works, perhaps the Noodle is poised for a comeback.

Do the pros play a different spec ball than what is available to the public? -ChezDerek

The Tour-only Titleist Pro V1 Left Dot golf ball

This one pops up once or twice a year. The answer is sometimes yes, sometimes no.

Most, if not every, brand would prefer its staffers use the retail ball but it doesn’t always work out that way.

Titleist, for example, still offers Left Dot (a lower-flying, lower-spinning version of the Pro V1). Pro V1 Star (a higher-spinning Pro V1) and few prior-gen balls that are no longer on shelves to PGA TOUR staff.

TaylorMade had a few different variants of TP5/TP5x and Callaway has some different versions of Chrome Soft X in play as well.

The thing to keep in mind is that these balls aren’t better. They’re just different.

The professionals want to see a golf ball fly through a specific and tight window so it’s not uncommon for brands to tweak a stock design to deliver the trajectory a given staffer is looking for.

What’s the benefit of replacing a stock PW with a Vokey/Cleveland etc? – @klusterphluff

specialty wedges, like these from Vokey, provide an alternative to set matched pitching wedges.

The short answer is that specialty (non set-matched) wedges tend to be more versatile and in many cases have better grooves. If you want to dig deeper, we’ve got an entire post dedicated to the subject.

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      JL

      10 months ago

      A lot of courses, especially around me here in Northern VA could do pace of play a big favor by cutting the rough down a little bit. My playing partners and I this time of year have spent too much time trying to find balls that are simply in the rough, not even OB… Cut the dang grass guys and help everyone out.

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      Rob Thompson

      9 months ago

      Agreed. Foot tall grass just off the fairway is taking the piss. Especially those that surround a tee box on a public course

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      p dunkelbarger

      11 months ago

      Pace of Play – Fix #1 putting, putt until you hole-out, unless you’d be standing on someone else’s line. Fix #2 Play ready golf. Fix #3 be realistic with your own game, Your N yards out on a par 5, can you get your fairway wood all the way? do you really need to wait for the green to clear.

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      RC

      1 year ago

      The Muni’s could require an etiquette “test” before issuing a Player’s Card – that could help, but I have a different way of looking at POP issues. I’m not in agreement that playing from the “wrong” set of tees is the problem, because I’ve seen short STRAIGHT hitters play from the back tees and play much faster than the guy who’s spraying from the “correct” tees. Look at your pedometer after a round – the better you play, the less steps you take…period. To the guy’s I play with, ready golf means always being aware of where the group behind you is, and if they’re getting close, after you make your putt, go tee off – you aren’t required to stand around and watch everybody putt out – say something like “I’m going to go get us started”, and take off. Even if you’re playing for money, if you ask your friend “did you make your putt?”, and you’re afraid he or she’s going to lie about it, you’re not playing with the right kind of golfers!

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      jjgolf65

      12 months ago

      I played with a guy once who did a year in Sweden for work. He says everyone there has to take a class to get certified before they can go play golf. Maybe there is some kind of quicker video version of that courses could offer?

      I find the slow golfers usually are the newbies that don’t know any better. Occasionally it’s the guy who thinks he’s in a US Open qualifier but it’s mostly that one group that doesn’t know any better.

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      Larry

      8 months ago

      So true. Completely agree

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      David Bishop

      1 year ago

      Bring back the 1st gen ProV1 with that seam that made them take off like a rocket. Inadvertently hit a 260 yd 3 iron with one!

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      mackdaddy9

      1 year ago

      I think that people need to start on the front tees until they can break 80 from there and then they can play back a box until they hit the tips. It drives me crazy when I join a group of young men playing the back men’s tees and they hit it 220 and 50 right all day and shoot 110 in a 5 plus hour round.

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      David BishopRFi

      1 year ago

      And put the ball in your pocket when you are out of a hole. Mark down a triple bogey and move on.

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      Mitch Kornfeld

      1 year ago

      I play munies and in my neck of the woods (Queens County, NYC) golfers playing from the back tees, and even some women playing from the whites, is endemic. I guess it’s a macho thing. Once one guy goes back to the blues they all go ahead and do it. It’s exasperating as I don’t have to tell you.
      I was a caddie at a country club at ages 16 to 21 many moons ago and at “my,” country club there was a practice done on par 3’s that helped the POP. When everyone was on the green the players would walk just behind the green and wave up to the following group to hit. After their tee shots the players on the green would putt out while the following group walked up. I always thought it was some old English-Scottish thing but I don’t really know but oddly I have never seen it anywhere else. I think if this practice was widespread it could help the POP all over.

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      Travis

      12 months ago

      Love the par three hitting up before the group putts out.
      Also there needs to be a cap on score or stroke that says bogie or double bogie is the limit .
      Most of the scrambles here in TN are playing a Par limit. Worst score is a par . This has helped the pace on events greatly .

      Yaaqob

      1 year ago

      8 minute tee times for the average 15 minutes it takes to play a hole start to finish in a foursome. Want to know why playtimes are so slow? There it is. The immediately create a backlog on the course. Add in any kind of cart restriction in the US and now you have longer play times as we have to walk to wherever the ball is either from the cart with a club or from our last shot without a club. An average round should take 4.5 hours give or take a little if you need 5-10 minutes at the turn to use the restroom or grab a snack. By the time the 10am or even noon tee times come up they’ve had a backlog on the course since 8am. I consistently have tee times where I show up early, am in the cart ready 5 minutes before the tee time, and they send me out on the back 9 over 30 minutes after my tee time.

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      Da Slammer

      1 year ago

      They can do 10 minute or 12 minute tee times; the price per tee time would need to increase, and when that happens, people don’t show up. That’s how stingy people are, even though their smooth flowing pace of play experience would dramatically improve. That’s why many clubs keep it at 8 minutes still, because they see other places at 10minutes with less people means they also sell less beer and snacks and therefore hurts the bottom line overall.
      We need way more golf courses in large metro areas around the country so that courses aren’t swamped during the high seasons. Otherwise the ones existing will have to increase their green fees

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      CRMMM

      1 year ago

      In today’s email, yardage increase/decrease was mentioned for temperature change for people traveling to play golf. Chris has mentioned that he plays a higher spinning ball at altitude but what is the distance change for every 1000 feet of altitude gained/lost?
      (Asking for a friend who lives at 6600 feet.) Thanks.

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      Dave Tutelman

      1 year ago

      Two points about slow play and how to fix it:

      (1) Treating OB like a lateral hazard on public courses is already being done, and has been for decades. Just because it isn’t in the rules nor marked that way doesn’t mean it isn’t being done. In fact, that is how the vast majority of public course golfers I see play it. And it is the local rule for EVERY LEAGUE I know around here (the NJ shore). So it won’t make any difference in pace of play because we already do it that way.

      (2) I don’t think any of the public course problem will be helped until the rules change for the pros, and are enforced strictly. Public course players watch the pros on TV take forever to line up their putt, or talk for minutes with their caddies then wait for the wind to do what they selected the club for — and assume that is the right way to do it. “Hey, these guys are good. If they do it that way, then so will I.”

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      ring o fire

      1 year ago

      I agree – especially at the muni’s. Marshall’s at the muni’s in my area are really just trash picker-uppers and a guy looking for lost balls. Sadly, these days if a marshall tells a group to speed up, let a group behind play through, or informs them of another infraction they will cuss and confront the marshall – basically become threatening. But, that’s a reflection of society generally, and so-called golfers not knowing anything about rules – etiquette – civility, etc. Sad.

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      Da Slammer

      1 year ago

      Beginner golfers being given lessons while they play out on a real, big course in their first few rounds while they play, and them also playing by themselves after those couple lessons, and then taking 5, 6 shots out of every bunker, then taking 5, 6 putts on every green, and then taking their proper 3 minutes for every ball hey hit sideways, and then riding the cart around everywhere, and then not getting out to be ready to hit their ball when their partner’s ball is only 10 yards away and waiting for that shot to finish before getting out and THEN getting ready to hit their own ball – you can just add an hour to a normal round from these actions, can’t you? And they don’t know the other etiquette of getting out of the way and letting other players through, but when the course is packed from sunrise to sunset, where can players go, anyway? And if that bad player is grouped with decent players – the decent players don’t want to move aside and let yet more hackers through its own group now, would they? No.
      NOBODY, including the course marshals or course owners or pro shop people will say anything to those players because the courses are too afraid to lose customer dollars from that specific customer never coming back (if it’s a public course), and worried that a bad review online will also reduce business – such is the modern world of businesses reliant on internet traffic.

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      LeRoy Hurd

      1 year ago

      I am 88 and have shot my age since 79. I play the senior tees except on my course the three holes I can’t reach in regulation with my best two shots are played from the ladies tees. My group play 18 holes in 3 hours unless we are held up.

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      Jjgolf

      1 year ago

      Played with a guy who did a year in Sweden. Before you play golf, you are required to take a short class and get certified. I think some of slow play is bad/rookie golf but a lot is far too many not understanding ready golf.. why it’s important.. and how to do it.

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      Bob Grrenop

      1 year ago

      I agree but who is going to teach them ? Comes back to the Ranger or Marshal telling people to pick up their pace and then remove those who don’t. It isnt the responsability of other golfers.

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      Doug Mael

      1 year ago

      Absolutely 100% true!

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      Barry Muller

      1 year ago

      Two years ago I played the Tour Response ball. It was pricey and not greatly durable, but it felt good and performed well. I didn’t play it last year because it went up a lot. Then it went up again this year for a total of $12.00 higher in two years. I’m trying lower priced balls this. Last year I used Bridgestone e6. It’s not urethane but it performed well. I am trying Vice this year. I got a deal on 3 dozen.

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      Simo

      1 year ago

      I just played the Vice ball in Myrtle Beach because I got a deal and think it performed very well.

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      Matt

      1 year ago

      Try the Top Flite Bomb. I’m not kidding. I tried it as a joke and now I’m a convert. Is it a pro v1? No. But I promise it has as much stopping power as the tour response and E6 and is a half club longer.

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      Dennis Beach

      1 year ago

      Took the field 3.5 hours to play the remaining 11 holes of the 3rd round at the Masters. Is that slow play, or what? Too much time discussing what club to play. Caddie should offer his opinion once, no questions from the player, pick a damn club. It is not like they have not played here before. Move on…

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      albatrossx3

      1 year ago

      The rules already allow you to drop a ball in the fairway when out of bounds, with a 2 stroke penalty, no need to go back to the tee if you dont hit a provisional, so your suggestion has no merit. If you red stake your boundaries people will be hitting from neighbors yards.

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      Da Slammer

      1 year ago

      They don’t play by the Rules so they don’t care what stakes there are there are no boundaries for them lol

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      Frizzante63

      1 year ago

      😂😂😂😂😂😂
      What Rules are you reading? The lost ball penalty is called “stroke AND distance”. That means 1 shot for the errant shot and 1 more for returning to the spot you played your PREVIOUS shot from.
      Dropping your ball where you THINK it should be (but ISNT) is NOT in the rules of golf!

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      Da Slammer

      1 year ago

      The new OB Amateur rules (not for competition) state that you may drop the ball in the fairway where you believe the ball crossed into OB, and add 2 strokes penalty, allowed to be counted for handicap recording purposes. So you would be playing your 4th shot from there, as if you had hit a 3rd shot from the tee. It was created to save time to help people from having to go back and re-hit during casual play, to help with POP

      Da Slammer

      1 year ago

      So when China decides to go to war over Taiwan and cut off exports to the world as the US and its allies may be compelled to get sucked into it, how do you think our supplies chains will be impacted for all things made in ROC or made in Taiwan, and where would manufacturers then move their cheap labor production? And how long will that shift take for raw materials and supplies and then equipping the new country or countries’ labor and training them to deliver goods as cheaply, on time, and in the same quality???

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      Mark Harr

      1 year ago

      The problem with replacing OOB (white stakes) with Penalty Area (red stakes) is that you can play out if penalty areas, but not OOB. That could be handled by designating those areas as No Play Zones, but now you need another way to designate those areas (perhaps red and white candy striped stakes 😉?).

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      Frizzante63

      1 year ago

      Drop zones?

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      Butch

      1 year ago

      So many courses in the US run through housing developments. This creates a lot of OB. Let’s create a new stake color for ‘private property unplayable’. Use the rule for unplayable lies for these stakes.
      Man we are always talking about slow play. Seems like course managers would come up with a creative solution by now. It’s a difficult problem. One simple solution is a larger gap between tee times but this cuts into profitability. From a practical standpoint players need to be realistic in their expectations. If you see a full parking lot, it’s gonna be slow.

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      Doug Mael

      1 year ago

      If someone is a slow player, they are 99.999% to remain a slow player, based on my experience. You can talk to them about it forever, but the vast majority of these slow players fall into one of these two categories:
      1.) They actually think that they are not slow players, in spite of the 6 to 8 practice swings that they take before every shot, the pacing off of every distance because they don’t trust their distance apps, GPS devices and rangefinders, and the rest of their time-wasting nonsense.
      2.) They just don’t care, usually with the attitude that goes something like, “I paid my money, so I will take as much time as I want”.

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      Will Rowland

      1 year ago

      In my mind there is one primary reason that slows down golf and it will never be remedied! And that is the high cost of many of the golf balls available to the public. How many of us are going to drop a $5.00 dollar bill on the ground and walk away from it? Zero is the answer. And when that $5.00 dollar bill is a ball of the same general cost and it’ somewhere in the weeds what do you think will be the result? It’ll be just another two or three minutes till I find that damn thing. Now multiply those two or three minute searches times let say 10 holes. There is 30 minutes right there. Or more likely $$$ in his mind that he saved.

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      WiTerp50

      1 year ago

      I see golfers searching for a ball they found (free). Local rule can play white like a red, but come with rule that any ball not visible and within 1 club length is lost and can’t be searched. Way too much time is spent climbing into deep brush on what is only looking for a ball that will be a drop anyway. If a Pro-V is too expensive, buy a DTC or Kirkland. Or a Pinnacle.

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      Tom T.

      1 year ago

      At the API at Bay Hill their stock leaderboard shot (NBC’s) feature one and sometimes two obvious Canadian Geese decoys floating in the lake. Is this NBC’s idea or Bay Hill’s?

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      Frizzante63

      1 year ago

      It is designed to keep the geese together and away from the Green; if they arrived.

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      CB

      1 year ago

      Amen to playing the right tees. Too long of a course relative to player ability just compounds problems where people are trying to hit shots to greens with long clubs that are harder to control and just lead to more bad shots that lead to a greater number of shots taken.

      Agreed on the comment about doing away with OB and count it as a lateral, or just make the local rule about taking the two strokes but dropping in the fairway a permanent rule. Honestly, most people I know just play the OB as a lateral anyway, outside of tournaments, and if it’s agreeable to their playing partners.

      Ball searching can also get out of control at times. If you can’t find your ball in a couple of minutes and the course is open in front of you, it’s time to move on!

      The bottom line though is that a lot of people are just inconsiderate and don’t even take the time to look around, assess their situation and take action to pick up the pace. If people would all be more self aware and considerate things would improve. It’s here where rangers can be a big benefit, but not enough courses have them.

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      Da Slammer

      1 year ago

      Getting rid of OB and turning it into lateral is the dumbest idea ever. How do you know precisely where it crossed unless you were there where it crossed? Even if it’s a casual round it still makes no sense, if the ball literally went out-of-bounds over the boundary line of the course, how is that lateral? With courses that have lots of trees and you hit it round the corner of the dog leg but you don’t see where it crossed, wherever you drop it would be an advantage playing by those fake lateral rules, can you live with that? I couldn’t. I’d rather go back to the tee and re-hit and play by the rules. Otherwise your score attested for index would be skewed, as it won’t be the real score, would it now.

      The 3-minute ball-finding rule isn’t the problem for slow-play: it’s the repeated occurrence of it. If an especially bad player happens to repeat the 3-minute routine 10 times during the round that’s adding 30 minutes to the round, right there. THAT’s the problem. That person should not be on the golf course, yet.
      What needs to happen is a LICENSE to play golf as it is in Germany. You should have to pass a general test before you’re allowed to get out to play a course. At the same time they need to be tested for basic rules and etiquette. But that’ll never happen in the US because it’s money-mating machine and decency gets thrown out the window when in pursuit of cash.

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      Ruger

      1 year ago

      Easy, take a breath … “they don’t have the right” Wow that’s not how freedom works in a democracy. They have every right to enjoy golf the same as all of us. That’s next courses for 10 or lower handicaps…crazy stupid! Freedom to all play more golf!

      Dan Zimmerman

      1 year ago

      I smell a golf snob; do it your way and shrink the game, IMO.

      Andy

      1 year ago

      How do you know where a ball crosses any hazard line when you’re not there to see it? No difference to seeing where it crosses into ob.

      Da Slammer

      1 year ago

      Why would it shrink the game?
      The Rules are there and have been there since the basic Rules were written.
      Without those basic rules you might as well not play any sport that has any Rules of any kind. Golf doesn’t need “growing,” it was fine throughout its history. Those who say golf needs growing are the businessmen who want to sell more stuff just to make more bigger moneys in golf for themselves, but golf has been around just fine without any of this extra rigmarole. And it won’t go away, like they make it sound like the game could disappear or something, which is so totally silly. Have you counted how many private courses and PGA Tour and world level, major-level courses there are in the world??? And then those other courses that are almost at those expensive levels, but not quite, but plenty pricey enough??? Those have always existed as well, and they’re not going away. What’s going away are the cheap muni courses because those are easily exposed as being run poorly in prime real estate locations close to busy city areas.
      Plenty of players around the world who want to play just like the Pros do, isn’t that why you want to buy and play their same equipment too????
      So without those Rules it would be a free for all, downright lawless and completely pointless, nobody would care about taking care of anything and wreck the courses you play by driving carts Willy nilly as they do, don’t fix divots don’t take bunkers, don’t fix ball marks, don’t count scores, throw clubs all day, don’t care whether they’re holding anybody u behind them, yell back if they’re even spoken to, and use the golf course outside as a place to get smashing drunk or high because it’s allowed to drink and drive carts and that’s just how it’s going to be.
      Why have rules then? In any game?

      PJ Yakamatsu

      1 year ago

      Da Slammer has multiple points. He forgot to mention the idiots with the overly loud usb speaker where I have to listen to your dumb ars country music. Put your earbuds in and take that crap out of here. Btw, I play a Top Flite Feel and shot 79 Saturday in brown fairways from mid tees 122 Slope. My 8 handicap buddy bombs a 3 wood 275 with a TF Empower. These 15+ handicappers playing ProV’s crack me up.

      Randy Miller

      1 year ago

      My advice to most golfers is play from the correct tees for your age and pick up double bogies. Like the guys said, most people don’t know their handicap.

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      Jerome A. Koncel

      1 year ago

      I think that the PGA Tour pros ae the reason for slow play and there’s no way you are going to get the to lay faster. It’s ridiculous that a round of golf for 3 tour players should last longer than 4 hours, and yet it’s the norm. Golfers watching the pros on TV think they should do the same, and the result is slow play. I have played Cog Hill for more than 40 years and in the 1980s, 1990s, and 200s, our foursome played routinely under four hours, except for courses 2 and 4. The reason for the slow play the latter courses is difficulty, trees, and players losing their golf balls and heading back to the spots to hit again. Golf is meant to be a fun game, although it is quite difficult. You can begin to have fun by playing the correct tees, simply adding one stroke to your score with a lost ball, and not taking as much time as PGA Tour pros do to hit your next shot, especially putts. Apart from these suggestions to reduce slow play, my question is how can you get players to pick up the pace of play when they respond, “I’ve paid my money to play the course, and I’ll take as long as I want!”

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      Casual Golf

      1 year ago

      You should add two strokes for a lost ball. The official penalty is one stroke and distance, but a rule has been added in recent years that allows for quicker play and not having to return to the spot of the previously played shot. The new rule allows the player to add two strokes to their score and drop their new ball at the edge of the fairway at the distance where the lost ball was presumed to be. This rule doesn’t apply to higher level amateur or pro play, but does help to speed up recreational play. But it’s two added strokes, not one.

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      Steve

      1 year ago

      Steve
      Unfortunately, a lot of new players play with other new players. They have no idea of the rules of etiquette and are out there to party and drive around in the carts. I recently played with a twenty something that was new to the game. 1st, he was dressed like he was going to a hip hop show instead of the golf course. He immediately went to the back tees and proceeded to completely whiff on his 1st swing. After nine holes of pain, I politely asked him why he was playing the back tees. His response was that he paid a lot of money and wanted to play the whole course. He certainly did that as well as most of the surrounding area. Courses are aware of the fast groups and slow groups. Most courses use electronic booking. Consistently slow groups should not be allowed to book a time before 11:00am. Slow play is killing the game.

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      Gary

      1 year ago

      Etiquette is GONE. The insiders say covid was great for golf because it brought thousands of new people into the game. I disagree, it brought no etiquette, no respect and turned a 3.5 hour round into 5 hours or more. The number of times we have left the course after 9 holes frustrated due to pace of play and lack of manners is not good for golf.

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      Andy

      1 year ago

      Agreed. One of the indicators of that is how many of those Wingman are sold. And most don’t use the GPS feature of them. I’m already so tired of hearing music 3-4 holes away. Completely inconsiderate.

      Pete W

      1 year ago

      Have you heard of the Apex Aero golf ball (£18 on Amazon UK)? My playing partner is getting good performance out of them. I can’t even find out what the cover material is.

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      Rcontaxes

      1 year ago

      I am a senior player with a 15 handicap from the gold. Do I really need a 7 or $800? Taylor mae driver or can I get by with an arrow jet
      for 5hundred

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      James Symond

      1 year ago

      Why do all the sports teams, golf, NFL, MLB etc have to rub that Nike SWOOSH symbol in our face all the time. Yeah, I get it, Nike gives out free stuff, a la Advertising stuff. It would seem that someone would do their research about one of the most corrupt companies, slave owners, sweat shops, 12 hours of child labor, etc. and take a stand…..just because it’s FREE does not make it RIGHT ! I’ll lump in Bud Light (Annheiser-Busch) and Titleist as the other two most corrupt, over-advertised, over-hyped, overused and over-rated brands out there. Most golfers can’t tell an inch of difference in Bridgestone, Calloway, Srixon or Titleist.

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      Matthew

      1 year ago

      Do the yellow marks from my ball hitting a tree affect its performance?

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      Odie

      1 year ago

      For the golf ball rollback question, is it possible to design a ball that spins in a certain window up to a certain swing speed, but then spins excessively the higher a player’s speed? Example would be 2500 spin at a swing speed of 110, but the same ball spins at 4000 when the player swings at 120. If possible, this would reign in the longer players while not adversely affecting the shorter hitters. Professional golf only, not for amateurs.

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      Mike

      1 year ago

      My slow play suggestions?
      1) Pick up your damn ball after you’ve reached double-par on a hole. Some 80% of golfers don’t keep a handicap so for them, what does it matter? For those that do, you’re generally not supposed to count anything over a triple bogey. So does double-par matter?
      2) Play the correct tees. I played w/ 2 guys the other day who said they hadn’t picked up the club since last July. So naturally they strolled to the back tees (6,800 yds) & proceeded to stink of the place. On one hole, one dude hit at least 5 ground balls & wasn’t even near the green. Swallow your ego & play the right tees!

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      Da Slammer

      1 year ago

      Get rid of CARTS. Make carts for Handicapped people only. That’ll get rid of half the lazy people who don’t want to walk and can’t figure out a way to stash a case of beer in their stand bags lol
      And if the course is way too hilly to be played by walking in a reasonable time without the assistance of a mechanised vehicle of some sort to finish the round in 4.5 hours, then you know it’s not a golf course, it’s a Cart-Ball course.

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      Stan

      1 year ago

      It sounds like this guy should be playing in the hit and run league. I use a cart and play with guys walking all the time . Most of the time I’m waiting for them to catch up and hit. Sorry carts are not just for lazy people. Half the time the walkers are riding with me to keep up

      Bobby Sale

      1 year ago

      This is next level genius.. and it would work

      Steve

      1 year ago

      That’s a ridiculous comment. I’m 65 years old with a 9 handicap from the whites. I have circulation issues in my legs and can’t walk the course. I have not requested handicap status from the government because there are a lot of people worse off than me. My group ALWAYS plays in 3 to 3 1/4 hours.

      CB

      1 year ago

      It’s not the carts, it’s how people use them that can be a problem.

      Mike

      1 year ago

      Sorry “Mr. athletic”, disagree with you on the cart idea. I walk all my rounds but there are MANY people who cannot walk 18 holes. This is not the pro tour & carts themselves are not the problems. Sure, a walking-only course would have much fewer people. It would also go out of business fairly quickly. Remind me again, why we would punish folks who love the game and support the game yet are enough “athletic” like yourself?

      Doug Mael

      1 year ago

      Slammer,

      I am with you 100% regarding the elimination of riding carts for all but handicapped golfers (with proof of it). Golf is a walking game, period!

      Jerry

      1 year ago

      I agree 100% on playing the right tees. I see people all the time who are beginners who can’t even hit the ball playing the blue and sometimes even the tips. It has gotten way worse at my course since Covid began and everyone and their dog took up golf. I occasionally play 1 course that has a sign on the first tee which recommends which type golfer should play which tees; this should be on every public course.

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      Steve

      1 year ago

      I like both of Mike’s suggestions. I also think courses need to emphasis “ready golf”. I often find a lot of back-ups are caused by decent players who take forever on the greens. You can be a bad golfer and still play pretty quickly, but if you spend a minute analyzing each put and figuring out who is further out, the time can add up.
      Also, when making players share carts, there needs to be some guidelines in place. So much time is wasted by people in carts zigzagging across fairways to each other’s balls.

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      Da Slammer

      1 year ago

      It’s not a ridiculous suggestion. If you go to St Andrews, you have to have a disability card to be able to ride one. And that’s the flattest course if you ever saw one.
      In the US most golf is played in sunny, hot climates and therefore when carts were introduced it became a convention to keep the sun off your head while you played, as well as a convenient way for golf courses to make money off them.
      Other than that, it’s become a nuisance on most courses where people become too lazy to walk the 10 yards to their own ball while their partner plays his or hers, and waste time getting for their own shot. Etiquette needs to be educated into people on how to use carts but America is not that kind of place, it’s out there to just make money. Nobody cares if you’re happy

      Tim

      1 year ago

      Practice what you preach? I’ve seen plenty of low handicappers think they own the course and slow play down as well as anyone.

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