Never Mind The Mini. Do You Need A Macro Driver?
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Never Mind The Mini. Do You Need A Macro Driver?

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Never Mind The Mini. Do You Need A Macro Driver?

Not long ago, I wrote a story about the rise in Mini driver offerings and hopefully provided some insights into whether a mini might be right for you.

Along the way, I suggested that perhaps that, while intriguing, the mini approach might not be ideal for average golfers. Most of us might be better served with a full-sized driver cut down to more playable (fairway wood) lengths.

Having tried a similar build, I can tell you that if straighter tee shots are your goal, it works as advertised (insomuch as shorter driver builds have ever been advertised).

The general thinking behind these type of builds is that, contrary to what many believe, a 3-wood isn’t likely to be more accurate off the tee than a driver and while better off the tee than a fairway wood, a mini driver is going to be harder to hit off the deck.

It’s why one reader called the mini driver a worst of both worlds solution. Harsh, but if you want to read that mini drivers have a limited audience, that’s likely fair.

Macro > Mini

Within this context, it’s at least interesting that you won’t find PING among the list of brands rumored to have a mini driver in the short-term pipeline. That’s not to say PING doesn’t think there’s value in a more controllable driver but it appears the company thinks that if you need to hit shots off the deck with any regularity, keep your 3-wood. If you don’t, you might want to consider what is sometimes referred to as a “thriver.”

Simply, a thriver or what PING’s VP Fitting and Performance, Marty Jertson, suggests could also be called a “macro driver”, is a full-sized driver head with a shaft cut down to 3-wood (43.5 inches), 5-wood (43) or even 7-wood (42.5) length.

Jertson posted the graphic below. It provides some key insights into who should consider a thriver/macro driver as well as some data from PING’s Proving Grounds showing comparisons between a shorter driver build and a conventional 3-wood.

The summary version is that the … let’s call it a “macro driver”, I really like that … hit 10 percent more fairways and produced 40 percent tighter dispersion than a PING LST  3-Wood.

Unlike mini drivers, there’s no suggestion that the macro driver (I’m sticking with that) is going to work off the deck. At 3-wood length, it’s going to fly about as far as 3-wood but you’re getting added control.

As the graphic suggests, that makes the macro driver a great option for golfers who already have plenty of distance, need something more controllable than a driver and if you’re going to pull your 3-wood, aren’t generally inclined to hit 3-wood off the deck anyway.

Where to start

The recommended starting point for a macro driver build is a 12-degree G440 head. PING has a number of supported shafts that allow you to build to 3-, 5- or 7-wood length. Presumably, control increases as shaft length decreases.

As with mini drivers, you may not have a spot in your bag for a macro driver but if you think it might be a good fit for your game, it’s probably worth spending some time with a PING fitter.

Have your say

Do you think a macro driver makes more sense than a mini driver? Let us know.

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      Julius

      3 weeks ago

      I actually did this. I was in the market for a new drivera as my driver was about 8-10 years old. So I went to see our local PING fitter, from who I had purchased G425 irons a few years ago. Anyway, we tried a variety of drivers. We settled on the G440 Max 12 degree with the 3 wood shaft. I was consistently able to hit my 3 wood, off the deck, almost as far as my driver, even more sometimes. The new setup I have gained both yards and constistency. I was previously about 190 yards average with my driver. Now I am about 210 or so and maybe 2 times a round I am 220-225. Which for me it totally fine as my 3 wood is pretty solid and now, with an upgraded 5 wood, I find that this club I can also deliver on a regular basis say 180 and keep it in play. I am 60 now and have some mobility issues in my left hip so I cannot turn hard on the driver, this holds me back and I accept that, but this has been a good discovery for me. If I look at my Garmin golf data over the last 94 rounds, I am 47% FIR, 26% left and 27% right (BTW I have to say that I have tamed the slice, usually at worse it is now a solid fade that is highly playable). The center of my shot dispersion is on the center line. So don’t worry that you will give up significant distance by going to the shorter shaft, in my view you will probably even gain distance while at the same time getting more accurate.

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      B Ericsen

      4 weeks ago

      This *is* really the correct idea for most golfers. I’ll double down on current mini-drivers being the worst of both worlds for the non-tour player. We’ve all seen most players try to hit a 3w off the deck – it’s usually not pretty. The mini just makes that worse, so why not just accept that and optimize for the tee shot?

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      Wayne Kivi

      1 month ago

      I’m a senior golfer (84 y/o) who has lost lots of distance over the years and needs some help. I switched to a 43″ driver with a ladies’ shaft but the swing weight dropped so much that it raised the flex about one level per inch of shaft. The fix is to bring the SW up with lead tape (lots of it) or weights which can be a little tricky. I must say that since switching to a cut-down L shaft, I’ve regained some distance along with more control and now shoot my age 2-3 times a month (81 two wks ago)

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      ctg44

      1 month ago

      My wife was fitted for new woods last week. This exact scenario of a 3W length shaft being great for a driver is why she ended up going with the Ping G440HL series woods (Driver, 3W, and 7W). She was hitting the ball farther out on the range than most 7 handicap men her age (51), so that’s pretty exciting to see…other than the fact that I’d better figure out how to get my scores down this summer, or I’ll always finish in 3rd place in the family game behind her and my son, who rarely shoots above 80…

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      Dean D

      1 month ago

      Lead tape is a lost art form. I caddied a tour event back then Alan Tapie had tape on most of his clubs as was common with better players who liked to tinker. I’ve used it for years – still have it on my sand wedge. Putting it on drivers & fairway woods does exactLy what adjustable weights do on modern clubs. From experience it’s easy to overdue it but also easy to correct.

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      TailWagger

      1 month ago

      Not Maxi, too short. Not Mini, too big… ergo Midi-driver.

      Reply

      Sparkee

      1 month ago

      So can I take a 3wood shaft from one of my three woods and put it in a driver head , and voila , instant slice gone and more fairways hit !!! Okay maybe not a slice killer but a little more accuracy . Sounds like an experiment to try this summer . Although I am really enjoying my Epic Speed 10.5 head with a red Ascent reg flex 50 gram shaft . Virtually it is very nice but I still have 6 weeks for golf !!!!! Can’t wait .

      Reply

      Brian

      1 month ago

      I did this experiment with a Cobra Darkspeed Max 12° turned up to 13.5° on a 43.5″ 80 gram range shaft.

      After using it for two months, it is definitely a fairway finder for me carrying 235-250 depending on strike. I can definitely still get stuck and block it into the trees. However, it happens less often, and I am not an entire hole over like I am with my driver at times.

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      Killer Carton

      1 month ago

      I cant get behind the “macro driver” term as it makes me think it will be larger then a standard driver, when in actuality it’s shorter… confusing. Thriver roles off the tongue better anyways.

      Reply

      Fake

      1 month ago

      I initially thought this was going to be about those oversized 520 CC drivers.

      Reply

      RoFlo

      1 month ago

      I have been playing a shorter driver shaft for years. (44in) I grew up playing and am the same height now as I was when I was 12 dammit! I have never been long off the tee. I was never really able to get consistent. I believed it was my swing. I went in looking at clubs one day and the sales guy told me all these standard clubs are WAY to long for you. So I went home and cut all my clubs down an inch. The next time I played I hit better but lost A LOT of distance. So I gave up on the Idea but kept my driver shaft short. A couple years ago I found my fathers clubs. They were a wilson Sam Snead junior set. My Dad was 5’1″. I swung the seven. WOW, felt perfect. My irons are now 2 inches short and I have never hit better. All this to say, when I went back to my driver I realized even 44 was too long for me. So I put a 3 wood shaft in and boom. I get 270-280 out of it. Ultra light stiff shaft some weight added to the head. Not bad for a 55 year old I think. The new ventus white is the real deal! I’ve been tinkering a lot over the years. My clubs are not typical. Curious about thoughts! And questions, if your a smaller golfer. I’ll tell you what I learned.

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      Ken Alterwitz

      1 month ago

      Well into the early 80’s, the average length of a Driver was 43”. Marketing has driven (no pun intended) the lengths to todays ridiculous 45-46” lengths (much akin to jacking iron lofts).

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      Fake

      1 month ago

      Just like everything else, what’s old becomes new again.

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      JSper

      1 month ago

      Couldn’t you get the same results by choking down on the club? If you watch the pros tee off they almost always choke down farther than we amateur’s. Almost always 2 inches of club visible above there top hand.

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      MG

      1 month ago

      Yup. I’ve been doing this for at least 5 years. I play a course with a number of holes that driver goes too far on and I hate using a 3 wood. So I bought the callaway mini 1.5. It worked okay but my bad shots seemed worse than with my driver. So I bought a Big Bertha fusion 9 degree head (added 1 degree lift to get to 10) and put it on the Mini shaft (44 inches ). Works great!

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      Ada,

      1 month ago

      The macro driver is my driver. 43.75 inches, a 75g shaft, and some lead tape added to the head. Regarding lead tape, I wouldn’t assume you need to get all of the swing weight back because it can get very heavy. Getting half of the swingweight back and testing/adding lead tape as needed from there is a good option. Mine is normal 10.5* loft but if this is a second driver, I think the 12* makes sense.

      I think most average golfers would see minimal average distance loss (key word average) when compared to a normal driver of the same loft. Smash factor can be improved with better contact on the face and a small contribution from the heavier head weight. This should largely offset the small loss in swing speed.

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      Bagger Vince

      1 month ago

      As a rapid club building hobbiest during my younger days back in the “nineteens” and early aughts we called these “thrivers”. The forums, groups, and list serves discussed shorter drivers frequently.

      Built several for me and friends. Biggest issue the lie angle, at that length a driver head played flatter.

      What’s old is new again… time is a flat circle

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      Bagger Vince

      1 month ago

      Oh I forgot to mention the lead tape! It’s roughly 12gms worth added to the diver head for every inch you reduce the shaft length.

      Drivers didn’t have adjustable weight ports back then

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      geohogan

      1 month ago

      IMO, lead tape to compensate for 2 +inch shorter will play havoc with COG. Better to drill a small hole (ca 1/8 inch) and fill cavity with required grams of “poly fill” (buy at Walmart, used to stuff pillows). Poly fibre wont absorb moisture and will expand equally within the driver head to maintain COG.

      Fake

      1 month ago

      I’ve started choking down on my driver, made an immediate difference in improved dispersion.

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      vito

      1 month ago

      Exactly. When I have a need to hit less than 200 yards, t hen I tee the ball up, move it off my front toe and choke done 2 inches. As long as you practice that shot, why buy another club?

      Reply

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