PING G710 Irons (2020)
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PING G710 Irons (2020)

Amidst the cacophony of equipment releases during the past several weeks, we haven’t heard much from PING. No, you didn’t miss anything. It’s simply that PING’s release cadence tends to be more measured than some other OEMs and its flagship G410 metal woods are less than a year old.

For the most part, PING’s modus operandi doesn’t involve rushing products to market or trying to overwhelm consumers with a bunch of bright colors (Bubba’s driver excluded) or questionable marketing claims.

A typical PING release story features a discussion around progressive improvements, each of which has a specific purpose.

It’s actually a little boring. And I mean that in the nicest way possible.

During our annual “Brand Perception Survey,” readers consistently give PING high marks for the following terms: performance, engineering, quality, integrity, trustworthy, and humble.

Your words, not mine – though I’m inclined to agree.

G710

In July 2018, PING replaced the i200 with the i210 in an effort to produce its best-feeling players’ iron in a more visually appealing, crisper package. Six months later, the G410 launched and the objective was to give players the performance of a larger club but in a visually smaller package.

Taking a macro-view of PING’s iron line up, the i500 and G710 are the hollow-body versions of the i210 and G410, respectively. Now, the PING G710 replaces the G700 in PING’s iron line-up and remains the largest, most forgiving on the menu.

The primary task with the G710 was to address two fatal flaws in the G700. OK, “fatal” is a bit too macabre, but while the G700 met performance expectations, golfers were far less than thrilled with its feel and cosmetic durability.

The way PING looks at improving any design is, while steps can be small, they have to be forward. That is, any increased performance in one area (ball speed, forgiveness, aesthetics) can’t come at the cost of decreased performance in another.

LOOKS

How long should a new club reasonably retain that just out of the plastic look? Whatever the answer, the G700 didn’t pass the test. The bottom line is the satin hydropearl finish on the G700 didn’t fare as well as consumers expected, nor as PING intended. Call them smudges, creases, rub marks or whatever, the unsightly blemishes started showing up prematurely on the G700.

Generally, because forged irons are made from softer metals, golfers expect bag chatter and wear marks to show up sooner. But, excluding Blueprint, PING’s irons are cast, not forged, which makes this situation a bit more confusing.

Ultimately, what matters at this point is what PING did to remedy the issue. The answer? A double-layered hydropearl stealth finish. The first layer is a standard chrome plating. The next layer is a thin black PVD coating and the hydrophobic elements help repel water and offer better performance in wet conditions.

Two layers should prove to be more durable than one. However, the choice of PVD is a bit curious. Dark colors allow large items to appear somewhat smaller which comes in handy on bigger irons such as the G710. (Note to self: check closet and replace all non-black ¼-zips)

However, PVD (physical vapor deposition) is the equivalent of your basic white undershirt. It serves an intended short-term purpose but no one expects it to last forever.  Other black finishes such as DLC (Diamond-Like Carbon) are more durable but also significantly more expensive. Generally, golfers who buy black clubs want them to remain black for as long as possible. The reality is all dark finishes show wear over time and PVD is, at best, a middle-of-the-road option.

PING redoubled testing efforts, putting the new finish through a series of “wear” tests. Keep in mind, this is the same company that had an intern test head-cover durability with a high-powered leaf-blower. As such, I’ll take PING at its word when it says this finish is a noticeable improvement. As always, time will tell.

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FEEL

As with most anything, the first version of anything isn’t as good as the next one. The G700 was PING’s first entirely hollow-body set of irons. As a distance-first model, it was also a small step outside PING’s comfort zone.

An unfortunate reality of hollow irons is, absent goo, foam, glue or something, the sound can be thin and high-pitched. I guess rocks rumbling around in a tin can is another fair analogy.

So, PING engineers did a little digging using modal analysis to figure out exactly which portions of the design were causing the unwanted vibrations. The quick version of how this works: vibrations generate certain frequencies which in turn create feel. In simple terms, sound=feel. So to change how a club feels to golfers, you have to change the sound it makes at impact.

If you look at a frequency chart of an iron that golfers describe as “solid” or “buttery”, chances are the frequency range is pretty compact. That is, most frequencies form a pretty tight grouping.  Problems occur when there are frequency spikes. Each spike is like a musical note and, when misaligned, produce serious dissonance.

GILOO

Once PING figured out where the problem was, it needed to come up with a way to dampen the vibrations without losing any ball speed. After considering a plethora of possible materials, it landed on giloo.

That’s not a misspelling. It’s PING’s colloquialism for the common product “hot melt”. Yes, hot melt. Basically, PING injects hot-melt into specific locations in each iron to moderate the range of frequencies produced. There really isn’t a more complex version of this story. Again, PING tested it thoroughly and determined it was the best solution.

Because hot melt can degrade at 170°F, PING subjected the G710 to the most extreme conditions it felt a golfer would reasonably encounter: in a black car with no window tinting and a dark interior. In Arizona. In summer.

Even so, 140° was the hottest temperature PING recorded, and that was on the front dashboard – and I probably don’t need to point this out – but that isn’t where people should store clubs. The trunk, however, is a much better option and generally didn’t get much above 120°F.

PERFORMANCE ETC

PING is sticking with a 17-4 stainless-steel body plasma-welded to a maraging steel face. The variable-thickness face design helps “increase ball speeds for more distance and higher trajectories,” according to John K. Solheim, PING President. More importantly, this face architecture promotes consistent distance which “is a very rare combination for an iron of this type.” Additionally, PING tweaked the tungsten heel and toe weights to boost MOI by 5% compared to the G700.

Our testing continues to show irons that produced the best strokes-gained values were not typically the longest. Winning launch-monitor battles based on a limited number of shots might be good for generating sales in the big-box retail environment but it’s one of the reasons golfers struggle to improve. More distance may lead to better iron performance but not at the expense of accuracy.

The G710 is also PING’s first iron to come standard with Arccos Caddie Smart Grips and a free trial of the Arccos Caddie app.  For those unfamiliar with Arccos, it’s a full-fledged, shot-tracking and performance-management platform.

For golfers, Arccos is capable of generating tour-level analytics and A.I.-powered club recommendations.

From an OEM perspective, Arccos presents an ideal field-testing scenario.  Each time a player uses a PING club with Arccos, it adds information to a growing database. PING can then leverage this information to better understand how its clubs perform under real conditions.

The stock shafts available on the G700 (PING AWT 2.0-steel and Alta CB Red-graphite) remain, but PING is adding the Alta Distance Black 40 graphite shaft as a no-upcharge option. This shaft, co-designed with Mitsubishi Chemical, weighs a feathery 43 grams and is the highest-launching shaft in PING’s fitting matrix.

The G700 was a significant step for PING, and if the class was pass/fail it probably eeked out a B-.

What grade do you think the G710 would get this time?

MSRP $175 per iron w/steel shaft; $190 per iron w/graphite shaft.

For more information, visit Ping.com.

 

 

 

 

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      Marv

      3 years ago

      I have a set I love them I got fitted and tried every club (7 iron) by every company some have several models reg OS Etc and they won, feel, distance, forgiveness,

      Reply

      Jim Fitzroy

      3 years ago

      I received my Ping G 710 irons about 4 weeks after I had hip replacement surgery. So I haven’t had much on course time with them. However after 5 range sessions with my PRGR launch monitor, I am thrilled with the distance and dispersion I’m getting with these irons. I’m 73 and finished last season in August (hip issues) with a 7..1 index. I had lost much yardage with age, even using the G 700 irons. The data from the launch monitor indicates I’ve gained 10-12 yards with every club. I managed to play 10 holes earlier this month and was 2 over! I sure am hoping for a mild New England winter and an early spring!!

      Reply

      Bob Miller

      4 years ago

      The G710 7 iron is @ 5 to 8 yards longer than my Karstan 7 iron. My Karstan seems to hold its line better. ( graphite shaft )

      Reply

      Dave C

      4 years ago

      I have been a committed PING player for the last 15 years. I am an avid golfer playing 100- 150 rounds per year and replace my clubs whenever I feel changes in technology justify it. I had been playing the i500 irons since they came out and liked them. I hit the G700 and did not like the sound and feel. I decided to buy the G710s on the advice of a PING fitter I trust without ever hitting them. The sound and feel of the 710 is dramatically improved. I have been playing them since mid July. I have picked up 5 to 7 yards of carry distance with the 7 and 8 irons with no loss of accuracy. The only aspect of a club’s appearance that I care about is how it looks at address. Do I feel confident when I look down at the club and ball? With the G710 the answer is yes. I play half my rounds in the desert of Arizona and any club that gets used in the desert will get scratched. It may not look great but it has no impact on performance.. I am sure these will get scratched too. I am happy to say that at age 66 I achieved my lowest USGA handicap index of 1..5 this summer after switching to the G710. Needless to say, I love them!

      Reply

      Gary Gupton

      4 years ago

      I have had a set for about a month and have about five 9 hole rounds with them. Love the looks, the performance, and the data that Arccos gives me. Love the standard steel shafts.

      Reply

      Oweno2

      4 years ago

      How has the back finish held up any scuffs or scratching?

      Reply

      wbn

      4 years ago

      Had the G 700’s for about 4 months. Nothing bad to say about them but there was something that just wasn’t there. Would like to try the 710’s to see if there is really a difference. Til then the G400’s are ok but the G700 price tag is a little steep.

      Reply

      Dan Zonk

      4 years ago

      Tried these in a fitting last week. I liked the look all around. Profile was sweet. The ball exploded off the face, highest launch, increased spin, a bit shorter than the Tour Edges Exotics EXS irons with the same shaft.. The Pings Had a bit of a clicky sound. I tested about 6 or 7 manufacturers all 7 irons.The Pings came in second..mainly because of price. I have been gaming Mizuno JPX-EZ forged. Love the club, not the price. I play off 8-10. I don’t have consistency with blades so staying with a GI design is for me. Not getting any younger at 58.

      Reply

      will

      4 years ago

      I been using ping eye 2 plus beryllium copper irons for 25 years.Cost me about 300 bucks for the set. I break 80 every time I play. 175 per club FOR WHAT!!!!!!

      Reply

      Mike gordon

      4 years ago

      Gaming i.500 love them . Are you going to have them black .

      Reply

      Jeff

      4 years ago

      Too much offset! Nothing special here.

      Reply

      John Grant

      4 years ago

      Was really looking forward to these irons Long time Ping customer (since early 80’s) but the comments about the physical looks have made me think I’ll have to wait until the next model NON BLACK

      Reply

      Richard

      4 years ago

      Looking forward to try these as I have the i210 and finding them hard to use planning to go more forgiving irons
      Richard in the UK

      Reply

      Simms

      4 years ago

      Like Ping clubs, but buying anyone’s black irons is like setting yourself up for wanting new irons in 2 years or less. Had black Cleveland irons and being one that kept his clubs looking good, was sick of them (looks wise) in less then a year. If you play 3 times a week or more consider looking past black irons.

      Reply

      Tony

      4 years ago

      No matter what brand of golf set you own it’s all about you, your attitude, course management in actual play…remember that golf is like a box of chocolate you’ll never know what you gonna get. ?

      Reply

      NH Golfer

      4 years ago

      It crazy how these things look smaller than the 700s. Great looking too. Well done Ping!

      Reply

      John

      4 years ago

      Playing G700s with senior graphite shafts. Great clubs. Long and accurate. Don’t see how theses improvements would help my game.

      Reply

      Al guippone

      4 years ago

      Good

      Reply

      Ellis

      4 years ago

      I have not hit the G-710 irons yet; however, the black finish does NOT appeal to me and the top line is a little too thick. I would “test” them at a Demo Day but probably would not buy them with that finish.
      The G-210 irons with a Nippon NS Pro Modus 105 Stiff steel shaft still is a hard combination to beat.

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      Oweno2

      4 years ago

      It seems the there’s a number of Hollow body clubs in the mix this year. Call them what ever you like GI, SUPER GI or CRAZY GI IRONS, or just clubs for us mere mortals. How about a comparison test or even a road map of this segment. Cleveland, Cobra, Tour Edge, Wilson……… I’m in the market but mighty confused!

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      Regis

      4 years ago

      So based upon the prior model there may be concerns about the finish , the sound may be off-putting and this “players iron” ( that’s priced the same as Mizuno, or TMAG) isn’t forged. If this was anyone but PING (say TMAG) the villagers would be raising pitchforks in the square

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      TC

      4 years ago

      This is the most detailed look yet on the G710s. I’m a G700 owner that was frustrated with the poor finish. I’m disappointed that PING didn’t go with a QPQ process for the finish.

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      Randy

      4 years ago

      Q: Can you elaborate on the weight screws (?)

      Reply

      Steve S

      4 years ago

      I’m beginning to think that iron technology doesn’t make much difference to me, anyway. Last summer I broke 80 on a local course 4 times…with three different sets of irons. Mizuno Mx25’s with graphite stiff shafts, Talormade Burner Plus w/stiff graphite and Taylormade 2016 M2 w/stiff steel shafts. All four rounds were all within 2 putts of each other so it wasn’t the short game that helped me score.

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      Brandon

      4 years ago

      How many greens did you hit on each of those rounds?

      Reply

      Brandon

      4 years ago

      I’d tend to agree. Over the last 15 years or so I’ve played every thing from blades to super game improvement. The only thing that effects my score either way is keeping my driver in bounds and not chunking chips.

      Reply

      Bob

      4 years ago

      Steve, does it make a difference at all if you’re using graphite or steel shafts?

      Reply

      Tess

      4 years ago

      My old Ping G15’s still look like the day I bought them. I liked that “sandblasted” look and still do. I don’t like shiny and I don’t like these new black coatings either.
      I will hit these new G710’s but I wouldn’t buy until a different finish is offered.
      BTW, I like the design very much. Ping seems to be going for the “less busy” look and it’s welcomed.

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      John Charbonneau

      4 years ago

      Agree with Tess. Still using my G15 irons and wouldn’t mind hitting the G710s however not with the black finish especially from the sand. They do look great and no doubt would perform quite well but not in their current finish.

      Reply

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