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SuperSpeed Golf C-Club

The premise of the SuperSpeed Golf Training system is simple.

Kinda.

“OverSpeed Training”: the body moves faster than usual during any given motor program. Swinging a golf club, tennis racket or baseball/softball bat – that sort of thing. In doing so, SuperSpeed’s growing body of evidence suggests the body is able to permanently increase its neuromuscular reaction speed.

Basically, you make a faster-than-normal motion, which tells your brain it should remember and expect to perform at or near this level. Over time and with repeated exposure to various protocols, the increases in performance become relatively permanent.

As opposed to sport-specific strength or cardiovascular training, SuperSpeed Golf doesn’t directly target muscle mass or the circulatory system. SuperSpeed works to take the governor off our neurological engine to access the potential of each golfer. Absent copious amounts of supporting data and tour-player acceptance, it would be easy to cast SuperSpeed as another questionable training aid. If anything, the converse appears to be more accurate.

SuperSpeed Basics

The standard SuperSpeed training system uses a base set of three clubs and five protocols. Each training phase lasts roughly six to eight weeks. Future MyGolfSpy articles will delve into each protocol and the applications of the SuperSpeed training regimen.

In addition to the standard three-club system, SuperSpeed has added a counter-weighted training club, the SuperSpeed-C, for use in addition to or separate from the standard methodology.

Counter-Weighting

Conceptually, counter-weighting is simple. It alters the weight distribution of the club, shifting the balance point closer to the player’s hands. That said, the application of counter-weighting is specific to the type of club.

With putters, products such as Balance Certified and SuperStroke CounterCore add weight at the butt end of the grip. This increases the weight of the club and often promotes a stroke where the hands are less involved.

Counter-weighting is often used in driver shaft designs. In this case, by shifting weight above the traditional fulcrum point, counter-balanced shafts allow for over-length builds that maintain a reasonable swing-weight. For example, let’s say a driver with a 200-gram head and 45” playing length has a swing weight of D2 – D4 (pretty standard). If that driver were extended to 46”, without any adjustments to the shaft or head, it would be closer to D8 – E0 (borderline telephone pole). To get the same club back to D2, it would require reducing the head weight by roughly 12 grams. However, counter-balanced shafts effectively do this without requiring further modification.

SuperSpeed-C

The same physics behind counter-weighting exist with the SuperSpeed-C but, as with all SuperSpeed Golf training devices, the objective is increased swing speed. With the C-Club, more mass sits behind your hands forcing a faster release of the club during the downswing, according to SuperSpeed. Because of the weight distribution, the hands and arms are forced to work faster which, again, serves to help rewrite the brain’s neuromuscular understanding of this motor system.

SuperSpeed recommends training three days per week with a day of rest between for optimal results. C-Club-specific training protocols can replace one of the three typical sessions or exist as a stand-alone training platform.

The C-Club targets players who struggle to allow the club to release during the downswing and can benefit from more active hands’/arm use during the swing. It also provides an option for existing SuperSpeed users to change things up a bit, if desired.

The SuperSpeed-C Club is currently available at a retail price of $99.99.

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      golfraven

      3 years ago

      I might be late to the prth but I recently came across this stick and I might be soldnon it. I find the original set of three nit too expensive and don’t want to go into the overspeed too much. I want to gain however 5-15 mph and especially get my hands faster. Think that the SUPERSPEED C club might be a good balance and the price is still acceptable. This might end up on my Christmas list and plan to do the plan over the winter season… Hope to SMASH it come spring ??️‍♂️

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      Tommy Esparza

      4 years ago

      I just completed the first 2 weeks of the level 1 protocol using the original SuperSpeed training system. On my first day, the max speed for the green club was 89; as of completing my second week, my max speed was 103. I find the different exercises of the SuperSpeed warmup to be overkill for me, so I warm up using the Orange Whip 5-minute drill before I start my training protocols. I’m 68 years old and also use Joey Diovisalvi’s training from his book, “Fix Your Body, Fix Your Swing”, as a workout. I have also been exercising on a rowing machine & treadmill and so light lifting with dumbbells and kettlebells for strength training. I just purchased this C product and will add it to my golf training adventure!

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      KM

      4 years ago

      A swing weight range of D8-E0 in comparison to a club built to D2-D4 using the exact same Specs for length Utilizing the same head/shaft/grips will not make the shaft play stiffer as you eluded to (referencing rebar) but will actually make it play softer. What that does in regards to performance nobody knows until testing. You don’t know if D8 is better for you than D2 unless you try it.

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      Gusanders

      4 years ago

      There is a reason why you swing at the speed you do and that’s because your body already subconsciously compensates (usually slows down) the club to help it make contact with the ball.

      I have a swing sensor (phigolf) that attaches to the butt end of the club and my driver swing speed is 100 to 105mph. I have a spare driver shaft and if I swing that without the head on i get 108 to 112mph.

      If I tried to apply the same faster swing onto my regular club with a ball I did get a bit faster CHS at 106 to 109mph but the smash went down from 1.45 to 1.39 and now i have a pull instead of a push draw. The carry distances didn’t improve much and accuracy was not acceptable on my home course as it’s very tight so I’m just going to stick to my swing.

      When i get older and lose CHS naturally I will just select different equipment to help me maintain or regain the distance or just move up a tee. Accuracy and short game still accounts for low scores. If you have to hit driver on almost every tee shot you need to look at how efficiently youbare transferring speed to the ball based on your current mechanics and fix that first, and if its already efficient and still find yourself hitting long approaches to hit GIR then move up a tee.

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      Steve

      4 years ago

      I started the Super Speed protocol about 8 weeks ago. I am doing on my own with overview by a TPI certified coach. Not quite done with level 1 as life keeps getting in the way. I have several injuries, both new and old as I am 65. I have gained about 3 mph on a 93 mph swing. But more importantly, by following the dynamic warm up protocol I am feeling much stronger and swinging with less pain. I believe the protocol not only builds speed, but if followed correctly may lead to less pain while playing.

      I tried a counter balanced driver years ago while experimenting with a club maker. I did not find any swing speed benefit that time around. Should I expect any difference this time around if I gave this try?

      Thanks,
      Steve

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      SuperSpeed Golf

      4 years ago

      Hi Steve, a counterbalanced driver isn’t necessarily the same as our club. Typically they are too heavy to induce the speed gains desired.
      That is why we moved a significant amount of weight from the head and put it into the end of the grip to not alter the overall weight of the club. Doing this has gotten the speed results we were seeking for golfers.

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      SCOTTYD

      4 years ago

      I purchased the Superspeed Golf Training System and just finished the 1st Protocol training. Over those 8 weeks, I have increased my club head speed and my ability to maintain it over the full round.

      On Trackman, my driver club head speed before training was 102 mph, resulting in an average carry of 236 yards. After 8 weeks, my Trackman session consistently measured 109-110 MPH (without overs swinging) and 264 yard carry.. For me, I have found an “extra gear” when needed with my driver. My playing partners have noticed, and several have ordered the Superspeed product. HIGHLY recommend!

      I am starting protocol 2 this week and am interested in the counter balanced product down the road based on your testing.

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      Russty

      4 years ago

      It never ceases to amaze my why golfers have this never ending need for a bit more speed and a few more yards. I don’t have a problem with the product, I’m sure its good for the pro”s and younger people, but not so much for us older folk. I don’t see the point in busting your ass, or anything else for that matter, for 10 more yards. What does it matter if you use a 7 iron coming in instead of 8 or 9. I think most older players would see more benefit from working on their short game on and around the greens, no speed required. I sometimes play with guys in their late 70s to mid 80s who can’t hit the green on a par 3, But they wont move up a tee or 2 because thats the ladies. we need to use the top 2 inches more and forget about trying to muscle up all the time

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      SuperSpeed Golf

      4 years ago

      Hi Rusty, we think a lot of this motivation for increased distance comes from the golf statisticians out there such as Mark Broadie, Scott Fawcett, and Lou Stagner showing what increased distance does to scoring etc. This goes for all populations you spoke of. Also many seniors are just looking to regain lost distance or maintain losing more.

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      Cale

      4 years ago

      Rustty I feel yah. I’ve been doing SS for 56 weeks three days a week and It’ has been getting old. I started off with a 106 swing speed, but I thought I was much faster (just like everyone else). I went to 110 pretty quickly, but kept with the program. I jumped up to about 116 and that’s where I saw my significant gain (~25 yards). This is a huge jump. Then, 5-6 months of additional training I kind of flatlined. I still thought I had some more juice in me. I’m now at around 118-121 swing speed and yes, I mishit a crap load, but I noticed a lot of misses could still get to 290. I am happy with this. My only goal was to hit par fives in two and now I can hit most of them with a driver and mid iron. The only downside is that I get sore from swinging so hard. Ha.

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      "Mr. 72"

      4 years ago

      So does the Suoersoeed C make the original product obsolete/no longer necessary? Will this one club give the same results as the other three?

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      Chris Nickel

      4 years ago

      No, it doesn’t make the original product obsolete. As SuperSpeed advances its protocols, I’d imagine there will be more options, but for now, the C-Club can be used as a replacement for one of the three days of training/week or as a standalone protocol.

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      Brian Morrissey

      4 years ago

      Speed training three days per week is over doing it imho. Before starting that read Body By Science. This is especially true for seniors but the author’s research says once per week is enough at any age. If you are training three days per week when do you have time to recover so you can play and/or practice your golf skills?

      Chris Nickel

      4 years ago

      Brian – For me, the training takes 15-20 minutes, which I don’t feel is excessive. It’s basically one hour/week with at least one day in between sessions to recover.

      There are plenty of things I do where I waste 15-20 minutes (I.e. doing laundry) each day and this training really has little/no impact on what else I would do during the week in terms of practice/play.

      Brian Morrissey

      4 years ago

      CHRIS FYI Body by Science protocols is one day per week on seven or eight machines for 12-15 minutes and when you are done there is nothing left for any other activity that requires big muscles. Swinging a driver once has been shown to require the same work output by the body as lifting your peak weight 4 times. Golf is explosive and ballistic and harder on the body than most realize. Every 3.7 years a tour pro is sidelining by an injury on average. Overtraining leads to chronic inflammation. As I suggested read Body by science for some training advice. It is not the only system but it is revolutionary and safe.

      SuperSpeed Golf

      4 years ago

      Hey Brian, our protocols start out at very low volume. A total of 39 swings each session with only 21 of those being on the dominant side. From the thousands of golfers we’ve worked with and tested this few reps has not lead to permanent gains. We recommend 3x per week with a day off in between. That seems to work well for most golfers as they report feeling fresh neurologically and physically while generally able to increase speeds. The MGS testers showed some good data on this in the article written on them last spring.

      TR1PTIK

      4 years ago

      @SuperspeedGolf, would you say that the C-Club is beneficial for all players or a smaller subset of golfers? The biggest downside I can see with this type of training is that it could get the hands too involved in some cases. Thoughts?

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      SuperSpeed Golf

      4 years ago

      It would be beneficial to all golfers in the sense of creating more hand and arm speed in the golf swing. Additional skill training is always a good thing in being able to take advantage of that speed on the course. Trying to create more hand and arm speed consciously could have more of those effects than using something that promotes that better for you.

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      Bobarino

      4 years ago

      MGS – I think it’s a mistake to allow a manufacturer to come on and comment within the review itself in support of its product. Let them go hawk their product in a forum if they’d like. After sending a very well regarded product to the golfing public on their first go, having Superspeed Golf comment here to support their swizzlestick and washer contraption smacks of a snakeoil salesman trying to sell turpintine as a follow-up to asprin.

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      Chris Nickel

      4 years ago

      We generally appreciate and support it when OEMs are willing to come on to the site/forum and engage with our readers.

      Most often people enjoy this opportunity to engage directly with a company and get questions answered and/or just dialogue.

      Everyone is welcome to an opinion, but our testing indicates SuperSpeed has a product with a lot of fidelity and I’d think 600+ (unpaid) tour pros serve as evidence of the same.

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      SuperSpeed Golf

      4 years ago

      @bobarino we’ve had several of the readers thank us for the time we took to actually answer questions in these comments. Simply trying to help clarify about the product. Far more goes into this counterweight club that one might consider. We’ve had a great response to the new product thus far .

      Bobarino

      4 years ago

      Perhaps they can simply publish a pamphlet about how to turn a driver upside down and swing it?

      Oliver Yurface

      4 years ago

      I hear what you are saying but the title does not state that this was a review of the product. I guess you would call it more of an intro. Just my thoughts.

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      TR1PTIK

      4 years ago

      Someone seems to have a “swizzlestick” up their a**!

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      Bobarino

      4 years ago

      The point is that this product with a snappy name, nice design and well written instruction manual does not revolutionize golf training and is not particularly worthy of conumer dollars any more than a branch cut from the trunk of a tree would be.. I love smart golf training aids. This is not one of them. This is just a smart way for SuperSpeed to cash in on their past success. Isn’t this the very golf-industry cynicism we rail against? MGS is supposed to function on the “Consumer First” premise. If that’s the case, the first question we, as consumers, should ask is “What is the value of this product to my game and could I reproduce the alleged benefit of this product at a lower (or no) cost.” My position is that this product SuperSpeed is trying to sell the golfing public is not worth the asking price for what they allege the results will be. If MGS does do testing with this product I suggest they test it against, at least (1) an old fishing rod; (2) a tree branch (both green and dried); (3) a dowel purchased from your local hardware store with some washers taped together at one end with your favotire duct tape; and (4) Roger Mapplethorpe’s bull whip.

      SuperSpeed Golf

      4 years ago

      @bobarino maybe the best way to look at this would be similar to our original system. Overspeed training has been around since the ancient Olympic Games. It is nothing new but in the golf world it had been not really studied or well done in the past. We took that concept and really fined tuned it for golfers using many pieces of technology to dial in the proper design as well as training protocols. This is what gets the results players are seeing and most likely why you like the original system.
      Counterweight training is also not new. In fact. Jack Nicklaus had his clubs counterweighted for much of his career.
      We took the concept and applied this further to our speed training by building a more specific club and protocols. As before we used technology to validate what was happening to get the weight and length correct.
      So could you get some results with a stick, a stack of washers, and fishing pole? Maybe but is it going to produce the best results for the time you put in? Based on all the data we collect and technology we use to see what is happening mechanically we would say no.

      Brian Morrissey

      4 years ago

      I also suggest the test include other speed products. e.g. the Speed Whoosh used properly convinced me to switch to it from my home made overspeed under speed trainers. I have affiliation with Momentus but recommend that product which when used once has shown average improvement for my clients of 7 mph. of chs. Someone also mentioned and old trick of swinging the driver upside down which is also effective.

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      Bobarino

      4 years ago

      Riddle me this: Why doesn’t SuperSpeed simply sell a weight which can be threaded into the butt end of their already existing training aids? Answer: they couldn’t charge you $99.99. For an outlay of probably less than $20, anyone who knew how to use a decent two part epoxy can reproduce this training aid in toto. And if you buy into the hogwash that they have hacked the perfect weight for these training aids and assembled a set of three (and now four) for every golfer golfer on the planet, I have a bridge to sell you. What’s the next step? Trying to sell custom fitted training aids through Club Champion? It’s great that SS can put out a product and have the golfing public (including me) buy a set (at least second hand off eBay) and have it be useful to marginally incease swig speed, but let’s use our brains and listen to what they are selling us. A perfectly bio-engineered swing speed trainer? I don’t think so. What is it really doing absent supporting improvements in our underlying swings? It’s helping us hit the ball further off-line.

      RT

      4 years ago

      I have counterweighted my driver shaft a year ago , it’s a time consuming job to get it right but it’s well worth it ..

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      David

      4 years ago

      Yes , I am sure many would like to see someone test it out.
      I don’t see really any use for buying one ,as it is easy to make
      your own, if you think it will work. The bottom line is if you don’t
      know what it is your doing to advance your golf swing , nothing is going
      to help. There is more to these over weighted trainers that can do harm.
      One only needs the weight of a headcover on end of a club to gain more
      then these trainers. I would like you to check out the Twitchtrainer which will do more. Test this as well as the swing sticks. Then decide .

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      SuperSpeed Golf

      4 years ago

      Hi David, we would not recommend a headcover on the end of a club for speed training. That would make it too heavy and change the mechanics of the swing.

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      Brian Pickton

      4 years ago

      Checkout the members forum where they have tested SS if you would like to hear from those who have given them a try. I am an old guy with a slow club head speed I am also in excellent physical condition. I increased my 6i clubhead speed by 8.8% in 8 weeks and have started the second level protocol. I have also just added the SS “C” to the routine once a week. And just because I can, I do 3x the number of reps called for in the protocols. No doubt I am injury free. because I am protected from injuries by my slow swing speed!

      So yeah, I am all in. Let’s get these bad boys tested with real testing protocols and see what we get from the guys who know how to do this kind of test.

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      don

      4 years ago

      Yes test please but I already know it works. The real question is for how long. Do you have to keep doing it to keep the results?

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      G Money

      4 years ago

      How is different from the Orange Whip?

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      Chris Nickel

      4 years ago

      From what I understand, the OW is built to help players primarily with tempo, balance, and rhythm, though it looks like they might have a new product more dedicated to speed training.

      SuperSpeed is built entirely around neuromuscular patterns and using those pathways to unlock more speed in your swing.

      Having both products, I use SuperSpeed 3x/week as my primarily swing training and I use the OW as a warm-up prior to rounds.

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      Brian Morrissey

      4 years ago

      Chris I would like to know if you have been monitoring other critical stats than just chs? e.g has your path and face to path changed? Are you seeing any improvement in centre face contact? What changes have you seen in smash factor? If a swing trainer is working those numbers should improve no? 10 mph of chs is of little value if your path goes wonky and if you are missing the center of the club face. If the practice sticks don’t match your clubs how can you swing them the same without compensations? That is a test I would like to see over a wide array of golfers.

      Chris Nickel

      4 years ago

      Brian – The questions you ask are reasonable and important. I’m still working on Level 1 and haven’t been afforded weather conducive to getting some good on-course testing.

      With that, I’m not sure that any increases in swing speed have to be accompanied by positive changes in face/path, smash factor, etc. At a minimum, you don’t want to see a large regression where it could have a negative impact on scoring, but if someone can gain 10 MPH swing speed and 10-15 MPH ball speed (25+ yards), then a minimal decrease in smash factor is probably okay.

      Also, depending on the player/course, accuracy may or may not be something a player is willing to minimally sacrifice. Again, I’m not suggesting that hitting the ball further offline is what we want to encourage but it’s all relative.

      For the vast majority of amateurs, more clubhead speed = more distance = lower scores.

      Art

      4 years ago

      Yes. Please test it.

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      Jeremy

      4 years ago

      Test it! Thanks MGS…

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      daviddvm

      4 years ago

      Yes I would like to see test results from MGS testing. If it works it sounds perfect for my non-releasing hands.

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      Tom O

      4 years ago

      i am tempted to order speed sticks but the price just seems too high for three weighted shafts

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      Steve S

      4 years ago

      You can build your own. (https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/24879-my-diy-superspeed-project/) Or buy Diamond Tour golf’s version. (out of stock right now. (https://www.diamondtour.com/accelerator-swing-speed-training-system.html)

      Bottom line is that the science is all over the map on this subject. There are papers published that show training with LIGHTER clubs helps increase speed and heavier clubs increase strength but not speed. And papers that show the opposite.

      The other issue is that training with heavy clubs without working on flexibility and lengthening rotation will cause injuries.

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      Mike T

      4 years ago

      Yes test it. I’m 70 and in very good physical shape but sort of around 90 mph. I’m ready to buy this to see if I can get to 95 mph

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      don

      4 years ago

      This new speed trainer is for an early release swing. It’s important to understand there are 2 accepted ways to release the club. Mike Austin and Jack Nicklaus both said they wanted to release it as early as possible to build momentum they could accelerate, extending both arms through impact. The current LPGA teaching model.. Then there is the hold onto the lag and release through impact like a whip so the right arm doesn’t extend until it’s at the target which is the current PGA teaching model. If you push off the back foot using the PGA model you will come over the top, if you pull to your left while releasing early your going to hit alot of thin toppers.

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      Brian Morrissey

      4 years ago

      If club head speed is the goal the grip has to slow down through impact meaning the hands slow down. 3D biomechanical studies prove that the best players slow the hands to speed up the club head. Physics and biomechanics have proven both of the above theories incorrect. Science has outdated a lot of old school theories.

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      Brian Morrissey

      4 years ago

      Baseball coaches have used this concept for decades and it does work under certain conditions. Namely you need to be fit and healthy. I would not start this without a physician’s approval. It takes a long time and discipline to follow the program properly. From my experience there are other programs like TPI which are safer and quicker and better for your overall game and health. .

      Proper technique can add lots of distance without increasing club head speed. Increasing center face contact with proper club fitting and increasing your smash factor with proper club fitting can get distance much safer faster and easier. At our studio we get PGA tour smash factors for golfers at all levels.

      In short there is no magic bullet, get a professional opinion instead of trying to do it yourself with band aid fixes.

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      don

      4 years ago

      Agreed whole heartily. We are seeing injuries do to this type of training. Swinging too hard too fast from a poor platform. Not enough warm up and stretching being done, or short cutting the steps and jumping ahead.

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      Andy

      4 years ago

      I agree with you 100%. Swinging faster and Righty/Lefty will have demands on your body that people need to be ready for. I injured myself 2 different times doing the overspeed programs. I do believe in the superspeed program, but will be working on my back, shoulders, legs, and wrists this offseason before jumping into the pool again. I also would recommend warming up before doing the swinging. It is a must. I screwed up and tore my shoulder/triceps muscles last year.

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      SuperSpeed Golf

      4 years ago

      Hi Brian, some good points made for sure. You’ll see most commonly lighter and heavier balls used by pitchers which carries a much greater injury risk than swinging. We have been breaking into the MLB teams the last few years with our baseball version and seeing some great success.
      We work very closely with TPI and are at all the Level 1 seminars so definitely a great combo if you have a fitness program as well.
      Our program is pretty simple and quick to follow. We start people with low volume reps to get their body acclimated to this type of training.

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      Frank Wiater

      4 years ago

      It would be great to see if this works on us medium swing speed guys. I believe the idea behind it is plausible enough for people with high swing speeds to retrain their muscles to swing even faster, as it is not a physical limitation. But will it help those who struggle to get over 1100 mph?

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      Andrew

      4 years ago

      Mark Crossfield gained 4-5MPH and about 10 yards of carry distance when he was doing it. He was at 104-108 and was more like 108-112 when he peaked using the training.

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      don

      4 years ago

      Mark is currently nursing an injury. Coincidence?

      SuperSpeed Golf

      4 years ago

      Hi Don, just wanted to clarify that Mark is not doing our program.

      Bobarino

      4 years ago

      I own a set of the SuperSpeed ovespeed training system. That said, I will NOT buy a stack of nickels duct-taped to the butt of a driver shaft…

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      Nick

      4 years ago

      Seriously. They sell cheap counterweights on the Internet. Someone tell me how much weight and into which training club yo screw then into.

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      SuperSpeed Golf

      4 years ago

      @bobarino we hope you’re seeing good gains from our original 3 club set. For the new club just like the three clubs a lot goes into getting the weighting correct. The weight is actually built into the grip. Just throwing some weight into a shaft would be far too light and into a normal club would be far too heavy. Hope that helps!

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      Bobarino

      4 years ago

      Hey Superspeed Golf, go tout your product somewhere else. If you feel the need to chime in at MGS to support this DOA/money-grab product I suspect you know you have a loser on your hands. Just because your first product is getting decent reviews doesn’t entitle you fake the public with a shiney swizle stick and a stack of washers.

      B.Boston

      4 years ago

      As someone who does not consider themselves to have active hands in the swing I’d like to give this a shot and see if there’s any potential speed there!

      I’d definitely like to see you guys do a test on this.

      Reply

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