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The Par-5 Lay-Up Debate Is Over. We Have The Data.

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The Par-5 Lay-Up Debate Is Over. We Have The Data.

This article is part of a new Smarter Golf series powered by Arccos data.

Every golfer has a lay-up number. Mine used to be 100 yards, full sand wedge, because a coach told me two decades ago that a full swing beats a partial one and I never questioned it.

Ask any golfer about the “right” number to leave yourself on a par-5 and you’ll get a different answer every time, anywhere from 80 to 100 yards. Some swear by leaving a full 9-iron in. The bottom line is that how you lay up on a par-5 is a real course management decision and having the data behind it helps.

Arccos pulled 1.34 million par-5 holes from 18,285 USGA-handicapped golfers over a full year and tested that decision directly: lay up to a favorite number or get as close to the green as you can. So if you’ve ever wondered whether you should go for it or lay up, here’s what the data says.

There is no lay-up sweet spot

If a sweet spot existed, strokes-to-hole-out would improve at some ideal distance and get worse on either side of it. It doesn’t. It gets worse in a straight line the farther back you lay up, at every distance in the data. The table below shows the strokes to finish from each of these layup locations.

There’s no distance where that trend turns around. Laying back from 60 to 100 yards costs about 0.22 strokes and it only gets more expensive from there. The one thing that does move the number is lie. Fairway beats rough by 0.09 to 0.18 strokes at every yardage.

So here’s the clean answer.Don’t lay up to a number. Lay up to the fairway as close to the green as you can get without bringing trouble into play.

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Going for it beats laying back, at every handicap

Another important way to look at this data is based on handicap ranges. It might be easy to think of a scratch golfer attempting to go for the green and having success with it compared to a 20-plus handicap. Arccos isolated second shots hit from the fairway from 180 to 260 yards out. They compared golfers who finished on the green or within 40 yards of it against golfers who laid back.

To me, the most interesting stat here is the 20-handicap row. Going for it more than doubled the birdie-or-better rate and cut the bogey-or-worse rate by nearly a third, compared to laying back. Every band shows the same pattern. Going for it doesn’t trade birdies for blow-ups. It improves both ends of the scorecard at once.

Par-5s are where strokes are sitting on the table

Zoom out for a second on why this matters.

Par-5s spread the field more than any other hole type on the course. A scratch golfer plays them in just +0.12 on average and makes birdie or better one out of every five times. A 20-plus handicapper plays the same hole type in +1.51, makes double bogey or worse almost half the time, and sees birdie or better less than one time in 30.

The good news for higher-handicap players is that this is not another swing flaw to fix. It’s simply a different decision about what club to put in your hands.

What should you do?

  • Advance your second shot as far as the trouble in front of you allows, not to a number you like.
  • Stop laying up to a distance. Lay up to a spot in the fairway.
  • If you’re in the fairway with a real look, go for it. The data says both your birdie chances and your blow-up risk improve when you do, at every handicap level.

To find out how far you hit every club in your bag instead of guessing, you need to be tracking your own game. Arccos Air allows you to gather valuable information about your game without having to input every shot. Simply play your game and get insights so you can play smarter golf.

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Britt Olizarowicz is a scratch golfer, former teaching professional and one of MyGolfSpy’s leading voices on equipment testing and golf performance. She has spent more than 15 years working at private clubs in New York and Florida and now specializes in translating test data and swing mechanics into practical advice for everyday golfers. Britt began playing at age 7 and has never left the game. When she’s not writing, you’ll find her on the course, playing pickleball, cooking, running or out on the boat with her family.

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      Andrew the Great!

      3 weeks ago

      The issue isn’t whether there’s a lay up “sweet spot”, IMO. The issue is the fact that most amateur golfers CAN’T hit to their alleged lay up “sweet spot”. We’re not good enough to be that precise. Our lay up shots will be 5 yards (or whatever) longer or shorter than we intended, most of the time. So we’re almost never actually hitting from our “sweet spot”. If we’re almost never actually hitting from our sweet spot, there’s no point in even trying to get there. Just hit the ball as far as you can.

      To wit: Say I’m 230 yards from the green. My “sweet spot” is 93 yards for my 52-degree wedge. So I need to “lay up” by hitting my next shot 137 yards, which happens to be my 8-iron. What is the likelihood that I hit my 8-iron exactly 137 yards (including roll or bounce that I cannot possibly predict), as opposed to the likelihood that I hit it anywhere from 131 yards to 143 yards, but not exactly 137? I’d say it’s far likelier that I hit it some number between 131 and 143 other than 136-138. So now I’m not at 93, and it’s not my “sweet spot” swing with my 52.

      Instead, I could’ve hit my 3W 190-220 and been just 10-40 yards away, rather than 90-something yards away and without being in my “sweet spot”.

      THIS analysis, not the Arccos chart, is the argument against laying up.

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      Sean

      3 weeks ago

      Getting within 5 yards IS the sweetspot.
      If you’re best layup is say 67 yards and you lay up to 72 or 62 you’re still in good shape.
      Pro’s are hardly brilliant at laying up to any closer than that.
      I’m certainly not grumbling if I’m hitting a 7 iron on a par 5 to leave 72 when I aimed for 67. That’s a tremendous result.

      Reply

      Sean

      3 weeks ago

      The question that hasn’t been considered is “how thick and how long is the rough”.
      “Going for it” also doesn’t include the tariff for going long, right, left etc.

      It’s all completely relative to the hole in question and how it is designed, what your bad shot is, how thick the rough is etc.

      The answer should be, get as close to the green as you can without putting yourself in danger of a lost ball, OB, blocked out by trees, water etc.

      Reply

      Flyboy

      3 weeks ago

      That is mostly true but not the absolute truth. Bunkers left, right and deep. I’m not a bunker player almost always 3-4 strokes, But laying up 10 yards shorter of the bunkers is good alway 2-3. And no stress!
      There are no absolutes in golf.

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      MikeB

      3 weeks ago

      Good article. I’m 78, and I no longer have the distance to go for the green in two. I still try to get as close as I can. I discovered long ago that the closer I got to the green the better chance I had of making birdie or even an eagle on the par 5s. Before I took this approach, I went with the conventional practice of trying to lay up to a distance. Still, I found that the closer I got the better I scored. Even when I had the distance to go for it in 2 and came up short, I frequently made birdies because I was left with a chip or a short pitch. There was the occasional chip-in eagle. Not as many birdies or eagles these days, but golf is still fun.

      Reply

      Ed Windham

      3 weeks ago

      I am 75 and my driver distance and 5W are similar. Many times I will use the 5W off the tee. That being said I can get within 80-90yds with a good drive, a 5W and a 54* wedge then 3 putt from there.😳🤣

      Reply

      Ty34er

      3 weeks ago

      So in other words… I should keep going for it and when I hit short, I should pretend it was a layup on purpose. Got it, no change.

      Reply

      Dr Tee

      3 weeks ago

      “The farther back you lay up, the more strokes it takes to finish”
      “Fairway beats rough at any distance”
      DUH. Doesn’t take analysis of a zillion shots with Arccos to figure that one out…

      Reply

      Stephen G

      3 weeks ago

      Unfair comment because many people think they are better from 80 yards (for example) versus 35-50 yards and lay back because of that. The data shows the closer, the better.

      Reply

      Grant Davis

      3 weeks ago

      Well said, a breakdown like was shown gives tools to many of where best to play from. Some people object to rational thought no matter what the point.

      Andrew the Great!

      3 weeks ago

      No, it’s not a DUH. If it were, you wouldn’t see pros sometimes laying up “to a number”. There are, what, 40 million golfers in America? What’s “DUH” is to assume all 40 million have the same characteristics regarding laying up or not. The data strongly suggest to get as close as possible, but it’s not an absolute. The data don’t take into account the particulars of a par-5 and what kind of trouble awaits an errant 3W. Maybe an errant 3W second shot on a par-5 costs MORE than laying up to 93 yards.

      The data are not absolute. They are a guide, for each golfer to use as necessary in each circumstance. Overall, sure. But absolutely? Absolutely not.

      Reply

      Don

      3 weeks ago

      Exactly!

      Joe

      3 weeks ago

      Agree. OF COURSE the data is going to show that when averaged over 1.34 million golf shots. And for most golfers – myself included – closer IS better. But not for all, and there’s no way to see that in the data unless you asked “what was your goal?” and compare results of those whose goal was to lay up vs. those whose goal was to hit it as close to the green as possible. Table 2 implies that, but it’s not clear if that’s based on results of the 2nd shot or intent of the 2nd shot.

      KJC

      3 weeks ago

      Very useful. My caveat is that bunker is another way to spell bogey. If there are greenside bunkers I lay up short of them.

      Reply

      Philly Ray in MN

      3 weeks ago

      I agree. My course’s par 5s are protected by deep bunkers and unless you’re very good at getting a bunker shot close (I’m not), the research looks like you’re better off laying up.

      Reply

      Andrew the Great!

      3 weeks ago

      The second hole at Grand Reserve in Puerto Rico (where the Tour plays) has a few bunkers fronting the green, with a narrow opening to the green and water left if you yank your 2nd shot. The last 2 times I played it, I hit 3W to get as close as possible (following the conventional wisdom), and hit them both solid (one 200, one 229). Both of them found a bunker, and that likely cost me more than if I had “laid up” with a hybrid.

      So the data are important, but they’re not absolute. Next time I play that hole (it’s the 11th hole when the Tour plays the course; they flip the 9s), I’ll “lay up” with a hybrid and then see whether the outcome is better than it’s been the last two times.

      Don

      3 weeks ago

      Well, yeah, obviously hazards around/in front of the green change the calculus here.

      Reply

      Andrew the Great!

      3 weeks ago

      Right, but a bunker’s not a hazard. There’s no penalty stroke for going into a bunker. So it’s not quite as obvious as you say. To wit: We don’t know whether the data show that being in a bunker is better or worse than being in the fairway 20 yards farther back. Maybe it’s still better to hit it as far as you can, even if it means being in a greenside bunker, rather than being 20 yards farther back even if it’s in the fairway. In KJC’s case, perhaps the bunker is in fact worse. But then that implies that whether to lay up is an individual-level analysis, not merely relying on the combined results of the entire population.

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