The Two-Person Golf Cart Needs to Die
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The Two-Person Golf Cart Needs to Die

The Two-Person Golf Cart Needs to Die

America’s traditional 2-person cart isn’t going to be around much longer.

Perhaps that’s a bold proclamation, but two people riding in the same cart, crisscrossing and bumbling all over the course is inherently inefficient. For a game with a pace-of-play problem, a solution can’t come soon enough.  This isn’t to suggest some variation of a single-rider vehicle will be a panacea, but speeding up the game won’t happen without literally speeding up the game.

Walking the floor at this year’s PGA Merchandise show, it’s clear companies sense change is coming and see an opportunity to get ahead of the competition. A year ago, one company (Ellwee) had an entire booth dedicated to a single-rider cart. This year, it seemed nearly every electric vehicle company offered a fresh take on something other than the basic 2-person golf cart.

It takes money and resources to develop products to showcase and eventually bring to market. My hunch is this is less a shot-in-the-dark and more a collective admission of where the market is headed.

What’s the ultimate solution?

That depends on how early adopters fare and whether any can catch some sustainable buzz. It also depends on how seamlessly companies can integrate certain solutions into the current environment while still allowing for an authentic golf experience. Some products (Club Car Tempo Walk) look to give walking golfers another pedestrian option, but the bigger challenge is to covert walkers into (at least) part-time riders and twosome cart buddies to more efficient single-riders. 

There’s also a financial reality which companies will have to navigate with prospective courses. It’s unlikely the bulk of courses will be eager to purchase a large fleet of single-rider carts outright, but this leaves plenty of room for creative revenue-sharing or leasing models.

With that, here’s a brief look at the single rider options available now.

Sun Mountain Motor Sports Finn Cycle

The MyGolfSpy staff demoed the Finn Cycle. As advertised, two-wheels and decent speed results in plenty of fun, but also some difficulty navigating hills and wet cart paths. Two-wheeled solutions offer a nimbler ride, but the lack of stability is an issue for some – arguably many. There’s also the repetitive nature of using the kickstand every time the player mounts/dismounts the vehicle, which is one more step the golfer needs to complete between shots.

Because there’s no barrier between rider and the elements, popularity will likely be linked to weather conditions. If it’s wet or muddy, your pants don’t stand much of a chance of making it through the round unscathed.

The Finn Cycle comes in six different colors, and Sun Mountain promotes an “attractive revenue sharing model” which should make it easier on courses which might not be ready to go all in on the single-rider revolution.

ELLWEE

The Trollhättan Sweeden-based company introduced several prototypes in 2018. What came to market is a 4-wheel, ATV inspired single-rider vehicle. With its Scandinavian design and upscale componentry (Ellwee sources wiring harnesses and electronic parts from the same company which supplies similar parts for Volvo, Porsche, and Mercedes-Benz ) Ellwee is more of a trimmed-back automobile than a beefed up bike or skateboard.

As a multi-purpose vehicle, Ellwee has a range of modular components which allow the basic unit to serve as a beverage cart, range-picker or as a multi-purpose vehicle. With top speeds in the 20 MPH range (course operators can dial-it down), Ellwee offers a fun and fast experience, but knowing golfers and our penchant for risky behavior, Ellwee was wise to include safety features like downhill engine breaking and a gyroscope to prevent it from tipping over.

While Ellwee’s offering is the most robust of the current crop, it could be more vehicle than courses actually want, and because it’s not much smaller than a standard 2-person cart, storage space could become an issue. Additionally, though its design may offer better ride quality and safety, some golfers might miss the ease of sliding in and out of a cart rather than mounting a single, raised seat. 

Like competitors, Ellwee is available in multiple colors, but the company feels it offers a more robust solution with better design and functionality. As a vote of confidence, Ellwee sold 30 of its 100 available units during the first of the 2019 PGA Merchandise show.

CARUCA

It’s not often we talk about CG locations relative to golf carts, but in the case of the Caruca, it’s a viable talking point. With a wheelbase specifically engineered for stability and a low, centralized weight distribution, Caruca offers riders a safe, if unspectacular, single-rider option.

At a top speed of 10 MPH, it lacks some pizzazz; however, the option to stand or sit is a bonus. It may not be replete with added features, but less of a learning curve means a wider range of golfers can hop on and go without needing to sign any waivers or watch instructional videos.

The Caruca might not win many awards for curb appeal, but intuitive design always has a seat at the table.

CHEETA

Sometimes names can be deceiving. The cheetah is the fastest animal in the world, but it’s also a single-rider cart which looks like it might have more in common with a mall scooter than its feline namesake. That said, it offers riders a simple solution with sufficient storage and an integrated speaker system. An optional chair allows riders to sit or stand and removable Lithium batteries can be charged separately, which limits downtime between rounds.

PHAT

Phat Golf (headquartered in Tempe, AZ) debuted its Phatty HD scooter at the PGA show in 2018. This model has a top end speed of 20 MPH (though the company recommends 13 MPH for golf) and according to PGA Tour professional Pat Perez, “It’s like riding a couch.” Similar to the Finn Cycle (and most two-wheeled options) it’s best suited for arid climates, and insomuch as vehicles reflect the geography of its origin, the Phat scooter has a decidedly laid-back desert cruiser SoCal vibe.

The 10” wide tires and lower seat height (28”) coupled with independent front and rear suspension give the Phatty HD features designed specifically for comfort and balance. Like other models, it includes requisite golf accessories (beverage cooler and basic storage) and because I have a soft spot for 90s slang, the name gets two bonus points.

GOLFGLIDE

In development for the past two years, Ramon Fierro believes he has a solution which will be the first patent-protected two-wheel, single-rider solution. There’s always plenty of nuance with legal conversations and because GolfGlide is still in development (Fierro hopes to have some working prototypes ready in March), we’ll focus on its features and purported benefits.

According to Fierro, GolfGlide is a golf specific design which offers riders all the amenities of a traditional cart (storage, drink holders, USB ports, club cleaner, seed dispenser) in a stable, two-wheeled design which gives golfers the option to stand (glide) or sit (ride). At face value, it doesn’t appear significantly different from other two-wheeled golf-cycles, which may become a problem. Should multiple versions with similar designs hit the market at essentially the same time – with roughly the same list of pros and cons and without a serious spike in demand – it’s unlikely all brands would survive.

RAPTOR/FAIRWAY RIDER G3

DSG Global is a multifaceted organization dedicated to creating fleet management services for commercial, governmental and recreational applications.  Its dedicated “Tag Golf” system will likely play a role in any meaningful pace-of-play initiatives moving forward but DGS also offers a single-rider vehicle.

Where the Raptor differs is as a three-wheeled solution, it alleviates any need for kickstands and protects the rider from wet or muddy course conditions. It might not be the sleekest looking option, but this is a battleground where function probably wins out over form. Rather than interchangeable or retractable seats, a single seat gives riders the option to sit, stand or something in between. Basic storage comes via the wire mesh basket attached to the handlebars though there doesn’t appear to be an obvious drink holder/cooler.

WHERE DO WE GO?

It’s a contest without an obvious winner– for now. That said, it’s only a matter of time before one of the major brands (EZGO, Yamaha, Club Car) enters the conversation, which as it evolves will likely call for a composite solution, borrowing technologies from across the industry.

As is often the case, complex problems find clarity in simple solutions and gaining industry-wide acceptance will be a tough ask for any product. What’s given is the standard two-person cart and improving pace of play are incompatible bedfellows.

So why not take the existing two-person cart and just cut it in half?  Could it be that simple?

Sound off and let us know what solution you’d propose.

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Chris is a self-diagnosed equipment and golf junkie with a penchant for top-shelf ice cream. When he's not coaching the local high school team, he's probably on the range or trying to keep up with his wife and seven beautiful daughters. Chris is based out of Fort Collins, CO and his neighbors believe long brown boxes are simply part of his porch decor. "Isn't it funny? The truth just sounds different."

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      PC1980

      3 years ago

      I am so ready for this. I hear a lot of people saying the appreciate the small talk, etc. I am cool with that when playing with friends, but when playing with strangers…trying to make small talk during a tournament or something is a complete distraction. I would absolutely love to have a single rider so I don’t have to make stuff up to talk about with a stranger while I am playing competitive golf. Sorry that sounds anti-social; but its the truth. I would happily pay extra for one of these on the golf course.

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      STEVE DIVNICK

      3 years ago

      Fat tire ebikes are the ideal single-rider device…equipped with the “Auto-Pivot Golf Bag Carrier” that doubles as a kick stand. Check it out on http://www.DivnickGolf.com/ebikes

      There are already over 1 million ebikes in America with that number expected to double this year alone, then explode another 10 million over the next few years. So NO COST TO GOLF COURSES.

      They are fun to ride, provide as much exercise as you want with 5 levels of pedal assist, and fold up and fit in your trunk. Or, you can ride them to the course. Prices are coming down as the competition heats up.

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      Tanisha

      3 years ago

      The individual cart system is not going to last long. A year ago, an entire booth of a company (LOE) was dedicated to a single-rider cart. As far as I know, <a href="https://vantage-tag.com/"Ventage Tag is such a company.

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      Blake Chartrau

      3 years ago

      The ADA has had profound influence on the single rider market. In essence, it is advised that all golf courses offer a way for disabled veterans and anyone with disabilities to play golf. Single rider cart design should meet this need for both left and right hand players, be light weight have even weight distribution, both green edge and even green surface friendly. I am seeing offerings out there that do not address this at all! How would any golf course operation benefit from adding any single rider cart that was not capable of accommodating handicapped players?: While I do see an emerging market with regard to Single Rider Golf Carts, I do not see the standard 2 seat golf cart being replaced by twice as many single rider carts. I think we will see golf courses adding an appropriate number for their particular players/members. I think we will see a coinciding explosion of the LSV (Low Speed Vehicle) market, which is another conversation, but in some cases companies in or entering one will be able to be a player in both.

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      Dave

      4 years ago

      While I did the idea of a golf scooter vs a cart, my wife wants to ride with me when we play. But I usually get my own cart depending on who I am playing with, but I’m usually not too far off the fairway.

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      Petteri

      4 years ago

      You missed the Golfboard!

      Defenately the ride, if you’ve been surfing, wondsurfing, snowboarding or skateboarding. Really goon for your game too. You steer it with your body leaning left to right, use your legs for suspension kerping your big muscles warm throughout the round. And when it is time to step down and swing a club, you’re ready physically to execute!

      Got my board late July and have been riding since. Two rounds a day and you don’t feel fatique on the cource, but in the evening, you’r body tells you’d been excercising.

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      Gary L

      4 years ago

      Not a chance

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      Tony Duran

      4 years ago

      Single rider golf carts are going to explode in the golf market, so this may be a good time for an update on this movement. We are leading the way as a sales firm building this emerging category, so let me know if you want input from the trenches.

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      Craig Shaw

      4 years ago

      I’m looking for a cart system that will let you ride or walk. Best of both worlds

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      michael

      5 years ago

      We have been making the Turf Chopper single rider cart and walk behind power caddie product line for over 10 years and I can honestly say that the golf industry is limited in ways to generate new revenue.. It has all been done one way or another. Courses have slowly starting offering their clientele single rider cart options with amazing success. Not only is a single rider cart perfect for us golfers who can’t always round up 3 friends on short notice to join and then are forced into a traditional 2 man cart with a stranger but it also can speed up the game by 20 to 30% thus creating more and much needed green fee revenue. In this economic climate courses need to be more creative when trying to differentiate themselves from the competition and target a wider demographic.
      Single rider carts are a perfect and fresh way to evolve.
      Check out our answer
      Turf Chopper by Bridgeburg Golf

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      Leftright

      5 years ago

      This may take off with the millennials and public or semi-private venues but not with older or private courses. I am fortunate the course I belong to allows private carts do I can put everything but the kitchen sink in that thing and not worry where everything is at. This is particularly true for those who play a lot of golf or at the same course mostly. I see this being a small bump in golf progression and some will be available for use, mostly at resorts or public courses. Personally, I enjoy the friendship and camaraderie in my golf games.
      All this stuff won’t happen if the game is not grown and our elite people who are the movers in the industry better do that or it will all go away. This is especially true with the political climate, especially from the left who wants everyone to be the same.

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      Andrew Han

      5 years ago

      I think the this warrants a golfbusters type of testing. You already alluded to this in 2017, and now this article. Sprinkle in some weekend hacks in front, middle, and back group.

      http://mygolfspy.com/while-were-young/

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      Steve

      5 years ago

      I (at age 62) much prefer to walk with my push cart and usually do, but occasionally ride a cart when a friend needs to (maybe health problems prevent walking). I enjoy the occasional 2-person cart round because of the chance to chat with my buddy between shots. The 1-person alternatives that would take that away are entirely unappealing, plus there’s the likelihood of more tire marks and damage to the fairways.

      I’m all for progress (the idea of electric push carts that automatically follow you is a nice one, for example), but the idea of transitioning to 1-person carts is flawed.

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      Mike

      5 years ago

      Steve, couldn’t disagree more. I have owned a golf skate caddy, GolfBoard and Phat Golf Scooter. I can tell you firsthand playing in a foursome with these single rider units is not only more fun, but it speeds up the pace of play. It also does not take away from conversations. More tire marks? Not at all. Leave less marks than a walker pushing a cart. Just because it doesn’t appeal to you doesn’t mean others would prefer this way to play golf.

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      Rich Freeland

      5 years ago

      That’s a misleading statement to say a walker with a push cart would leave more tire marks than a golf board. The weight, force, and friction that a golf board will have on grass is far more damaging than anything a walker with a push cart will do. The difference increases even more when the ground is moist. There is a huge difference between visible tire marks and the damage a heavy, motorized unit that drags a person around the course will cause.

      Bourne

      4 years ago

      I agree , I have been trying to find a good single rider golf cart for years, why they haven’t been 8mp,emended is ridiculous, I play golf to GOLF I can socialize after the round, Or waiting on tee box, too much wasted time chatting when u shud be golfing, !, I have seen some Chinese 3 wheeler models for under $1000 us , why wouldn’t they work here. . ? Gotta keep costs down to make it viable”…

      scott

      5 years ago

      I love the idea, I know I’d shoot better golf when it’s just me and my ball. No small talk or hearing the if’s and but’s of every crappy shot your ride hit’s,, bring them on

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      Kevin

      5 years ago

      You must not like member-guests very much.

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      golfinnut

      5 years ago

      I really don’t see this taking hold. The Pro’s really don’t outweigh the Con’s at this point for many reasons as a lot of people have already stated.

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      Keith Martin

      5 years ago

      Biggest pace of play issues relate to golfers themselves not equipment. First issue is not playing “ready golf.” Too many people are not prepared to play their shot when the player before them hits. They wait for other player to hit to to get distance, choose a club, get prepared to hit. The second issue is not paying attention and playing from inappropriate tees and on inappropriate courses for their skill level. They hit a bad shot and look away. Play courses too difficult for their skill level which results in time spent looking for balls they have no clue where they hit and double bogeying every hole.
      Course developers also to blame. Too many courses are designed as real estate developments with 1/4 mile or more rides between holes. Discourage walking and just takes longer. Course superintendents set up courses at difficulty level above most country club player abilities. Leads to three putts and “million dollar” putting times.

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      Bob

      5 years ago

      How about a 4-seater golf cart? That would save a bit of money!

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      JamesG

      5 years ago

      While individual carts might happen, how much more wear and tear does a foursome with four carts do to a course than two carts? The issue I see with two person carts in terms of pace of play is they both drive to one shot then to next without dropping player closest first. Drive on over to second player’s ball after dropping off the first player. Pick them back up after shots completed.

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      scott

      5 years ago

      It’s not the cart that does the damage , it’s the beer they sell that turns a golfer into a dumbass with bad driving habits

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      wbn

      5 years ago

      This is a joke. As stated in many other posts the cost of single carts doubles. The maintenance doubles. Seniors using kickstands will slow pace of play. Kickstands in damp conditions most likely won’t work. I don’t want to play a course that looks like a motocross in front of me. Throw in alcohol and more problems begin. Vision and weather problems are also apparent with some models. If you want to speed up the pace of play use effective marshalls to monitor groups. Most marshalls I see just ride around to get their time in for free play and don’t truly contribute to speeding up play. They are usually afraid of confrontation if they have to tell a group to speed it up.

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      Bill

      5 years ago

      Perhaps a niche market but only suitable for southern climates. Much of the year up north standard carts protect you from the elements. None of these do.

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      Odie

      5 years ago

      As a former golf course owner in Texas, I do not disagree that pace of play can be an issue at peak times (Friday,Saturday, Sunday) but replacing all the 2 rider carts with 1 rider carts has multiple fails:
      1. Most 18 hole courses in Texas have fleets of 50-65 two person carts. Now you would have 100-130 single person carts to utilize the same storage facility and charging power system.
      2. Economically, if the course rents their carts from the dealer (ie EZGO) for $70 per month per cart for 2 rider carts, what would the cost for single rider carts be? Your total expenditure for 100-130 single carts would most likely be more than 50-60 two rider carts = less revenue for the course.
      3. I get it that today’s younger society is multi tasking, short attention spans, and wants it done quick. Most of the rounds played on a yearly basis are by folks 50+, who for the most part play during the week (non peak days) and the weekends (peak days). Younger folks work during the week and can only play on peak days. Peak days Friday Saturday Sunday get a lot of play and give the illusion of a pace of play issue ALL the time. Most golf courses make the majority of their revenue off peak days, and lose money on non peak days.

      Unless you show golf course owners they will make more money off single rider carts VS two rider carts ( when you add up total revenue vs total expenses on a monthly basis) then the two rider cart will stay.

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      Brandon

      5 years ago

      The golf board is pretty fun during the summer. A couple of courses have them out here in the Bay Area. It’s more of a novelty than something I would want to do every time I play though. I enjoy shooting the shit with my buddies in the cart too much to want to ride solo exclusively. Just get to your ball, get a distance, and hit the ball. No reason anyone should need to spend more than about 30 seconds when it’s their turn to hit.

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      James

      5 years ago

      This is all “preaching to the choir” stuff. The people that are concerned about the pace of play are reading this. The people that need to see this aren’t reading it.

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      James

      5 years ago

      Any successful one-person cart is going to need to be self-standing (some folks can’t even ride a bike and a kickstand will be a failure), covered for rain/sun, and like the last cart featured (stupid) cannot have your clubs blocking your vision as you drive over cliffs.

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      art

      5 years ago

      Take a close look at that last cart. The seat is almost as high as the top of the golf bag. Sitting on the seat would have you looking over the bag–unless you have your head up your ass.

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      James

      5 years ago

      Art… that bag has no clubs in it. Add an arm-lock putter and a 46″ driver and you won’t see the sprinkler head in front of you. I don’t want to be leaning to the left and right to see where I’m going. Though it looks like they could lower the bag holder a bit.

      mackdaddy

      5 years ago

      As the general manager of a country club this is something I have put a large amount of time into this year. Here are the main things that need to be resolved. Consider that most clubs were designed with traditional cart in mind so going single rider means twice as many carts to store. The majority of the daily play golfers are seniors. They are not going to be willing to stand. They are not happy in the elements. This time of year here in Virginia most of the carts have both covers and heaters. We do not save money on these carts they are about the same cost as the current fleets and we would need two double the number of charging units which doubles the electric bills to charge them and we would need to double the amount of outlets in the cart barn. We are considering getting 10 Raptors for handicapped players that need access during cart path only days.

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      Ron Lunsford

      5 years ago

      I’m going to go a different route and say that courses will continue to rent their “two-seat carts” till the end of time. They get $15-25 a head (that’s $50 a round for two seats) vs. having to have 2 single users rent. I normally walk, but sometimes jump in a cart if the rest of the group I am playing with is in them. I pay my $16 extra for that round just so I don’t slow them down too much between holes.

      That said, my local courses also stack players in carts – which means if there are four singles riding, they will issue two carts for the group – not give each one of the players a cart. It’s a total money maker for them and really doesn’t affect play one way or another. I don’t see that many courses wanting to assume the risk of single rider carts or bikes – not only to the bike/player but also the damage to the course. Look at the cart that has a kickstand to keep it up – imagine that around a green making kickstand marks where people are chipping the ball?

      Now, all of that said, I do think there is a huge market for these, but not as a course rental. I think we will see a very large number of these go to private individuals that don’t want to pay $25 a round for a cart but don’t want to drag a 2 seat cart to the course. They also require about 1/4 the space of a traditional cart to store, which is also a huge consideration for private users. I do think there is a larger market for electric push carts than these, but there will be some that love the idea of powering around the course on a scooter of their own rather than paying extra every time they play a round.

      Just my two cents for what they are worth on this one…

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      Brin Paulson

      5 years ago

      I’m not sure that 2 person golf carts will be going anywhere anytime soon and I kinda hope they don’t. Playing a round while sitting with your friend is almost always a good time. ? Many of those scooter type carts have tiny kickstands and I don’t see that ending up very well during a rainy day or just in a soft course in general. What are you supposed to do with those two wheelers on a hillside? Those three wheel options seem to be the smarter play but I think the most fun option is still the Golf Skate Caddy or the GolfBoard. My two cents ??⛳️????️‍♂️

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      Jeremy Sibley

      5 years ago

      I for one sincerely hope that the two person cart has a place I the game for the forseeable future. I an avid golfer 34 years in age and one of the things I look forward to must in playing with my buddies, and wife, is the time together on the cart in between swings. I feel that if you play ready golf, and don’t wait for the cart to drive you absolutely everywhere, then 2 people in a single cart does not slow the game down whatsoever (albeit most of the guys I play with are also long ball hitters, which makes it even nicer to kick back and enjoy a beer with the feet up while you wait to hit!). Jeremy, Saskatoon, Canada.

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      Brin Paulson

      5 years ago

      I totally agree! ??

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      Bob

      5 years ago

      What a RUSH to drive one of these carts. I think people will pay just to drive one of these carts.
      Unfortunately, I think these carts will make cart path only on most courses.
      Drunken obstacle driving being the blame.
      Still can’t wait to try one.

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      Doug

      5 years ago

      Chris,

      I’m not a super seasoned and worldly golfer, but I’ve seen absolutely nothing suggesting that current carts are in any sort of danger of going away as a result of slow or antiquated game play. Now, there may be something to the fact that there is a O&M cost associated with them that continues to increase, but I don’t think that single-rider options will improve this is any practical way, nor will they save room in the motor pool.

      As many have noted, the more prevalent issue for slow game play tends to be slow party movement (or two, or three parties) in front of me that are usually weak hitters, or slow movers, and just overall take more time to traverse any given hole.

      However, if there is some true need to make a change, I see poor viability in a two-wheeled option, as you have to consider who your playing audience is. Unfortunately, anything that I think is easily adaptable for all players isn’t saving much space or money, but I suppose if these are money matters, every saved penny helps.

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      Andrew Han

      5 years ago

      Whether a single rider or dual, they should all come with a trackman or doppler radar to show you trajectory and path. What’s the point if you can’t find your ball and you have to call your buddy or partner over for help.

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      Bruce

      5 years ago

      Part of golf is the fellowship of playing. Society is moving away from personal one on one discussions. Going to single carts isolates players and prevents the business interaction or personal interaction which is a big part of the game.
      Moving to the single cart will also be harder on the course – more traffic for the same number of players. Sups will not like the wear on fairways etc.
      As for time savings, perhaps but minimal. Will still be yelling back and forth to see who is going to play, and if a ball is in the rough, 2 people looking out of one cart is far faster than individuals.
      Finally, I see no mention about cost – my guess is the single cart options cost roughly the same as a 2 person thereby raising the cost to play and further decreasing the game.
      Good for some, but not in general.

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      Ric

      5 years ago

      I agree 200% !!!!! the amount to have on hand would increase cost ,more to repair from abuse not to mention those that walk could be injured from some hot dogs showing off. I love the cart ,the companionship whether with a spouse, pal ,business deals etc. somemuch is there vs riding solo could then be about the stunts and personal injury lawsuits!!!

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      Plaidjacket

      5 years ago

      I didn’t take the time to read the entire article or all the feedback posted. I’m 64 in a couple of days and in great shape. So no Senior fear. I’d probably try one. Especially (and perhaps only) the Ellwee I suppose. I’m pretty sure it’d speed up play. I say this because occasionally two of us will play and drive our own carts. We play much faster but still without rushing. I also enjoy the two per person system we all know as it allows for lots of discussion and shooting the breeze.

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      Tony Blunt

      4 years ago

      Pace of play is the big benefit for golf courses. Currently our course is allowing four regular carts to ensure social distancing. The time per round has come down from 4-4.5 hours to 3-3.5 hours since everyone is at their ball much quicker. The superintendent says, to his surprise, that he is not seeing any more damage to the course.

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      Steve

      5 years ago

      2-person carts aren’t going away en-masse, nor are they the problem. The problem as I see it are too many players who can only hit the ball 200 yards at max will wait for the green to clear from 210 before duffing the ball 80 yards. Additionally, many courses now are designed with interesting features (tight fairways and long rough) that suck up $4 golf balls that we all spend a lot of time searching for.

      I get that people are trying to find solutions, but there really aren’t any, unless someone comes up with tracking chips in golf balls that we can use to locate lost balls right away without everyone else in the foursome coming over to help.

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      James

      5 years ago

      Steve… but remember, the new rules specify you can only look for a lost ball for 3 minutes. Unless it’s a new Pro V1… then you get 10 minutes.

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      Jeff

      5 years ago

      I do not understand why electronic caddies have not made more of an impact, for about a grand you can get a cart that hauls your clubs while you walk, for many the best of both worlds, and courses can provide these at lower rates than carts with a small investment. Walking the course is better and in many ways faster than riding in a two person cart, throw in cart path only and you the walker are way ahead. Having said that, you missed one, Segway already has a one person unit, and while we did not get to try it, Kierland in Scottsdale had them, I would think that having the wheels beside you would help with the mud issue that other two wheeled carts you mentioned may have. But in the end, the investment in single rider carts have to be significantly lower than 2 person carts to make them viable.

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      Al

      5 years ago

      The investment in single rider carts have to be significantly lower than 2 person carts, but if you need to buy twice as many, I doubt it would be cost effective. Does that mean they still need two person carts along with the singles? Or do we send a foursome out with four single person carts? If so, that will be tough for a golf course to stay in business,

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      James

      5 years ago

      Like a quad chairlift at a ski resort how about a 4 person cart! Now that would be fun to see.

      Lynyrd

      5 years ago

      If course rules or conditions are such that you can’t drive the fairway, it is quicker for me to just carry. Prices would be helpful to include and info if they will sell to individuals.

      I believe two wheel “cycles” in the wrong hands will tear up a course and lead to injuries of the driver and others.

      I think easy on and off, three or four wheels is the way to go; i.e. a three/four wheel scooter. The four wheel carts such as the CHEETA looks too much like a retail Senior Citizens cart – no cool factor.

      If I had to pick, the CARUCA is the one. Easy on-off, standing (optional seat), and four wheels. Bag on the front for quick selection, and a spot behind for a cooler. Way cool!

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      Doug Fisher

      5 years ago

      The club I play has been sold twice in the last 10 years. Both times the new owners spent some $$$ to clean up the spots where golfers lost balls.

      My main beef is the golfer in front of me drives the ball 150 yds off the tee deck and then at 200 yds from the green….waits for the green to clear…and then takes 3 shots to get on the green. Drives me crazy.

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      Lynyrd

      5 years ago

      I hear ya, but keep in mind, if you’re on the green you don’t know what the person behind is capable of, and when you see a person at 200 yards taking a swing towards you, it can be disconcerting.

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      Steve

      4 years ago

      Yeah, but then If that person catches one and the ball rolls up to the green, the people on the green flip out and start screaming, although they were never in any danger. It’s the ATTITUDES in golf that have to change

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      tony@CIC

      5 years ago

      I think Chris drank the manufacturers cool aid! There is no way that a 2 person cart is going away. Virtually all of our carts have 2 people in them. All of the singles I see are using either hand or remote controlled electric carts.

      Will there be some of these types of carts on fairways? Of Course! We’ll see them here and there but like the Segway, it’s going to be a novelty vs a primary form of transportation.

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      Chris Nickel

      5 years ago

      I’d contend the contents of the kool-aid (I’m all about the original) is what convinces people that change isn’t necessary. It’s not about how many people are in your carts – It’s about efficiency and if what you suggest is true – that your carts are generally spoken for with two riders – there’s a large opportunity there

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      Ryan

      5 years ago

      I like the idea of the one person cart. I think it would speed up play and would be fun to buzz around the course. I am surprised Golf Boards were not included. (http://www.golfboard.com/coursenetwork/) They are already at a bunch of courses. I haven’t used them yet but they are at a few places near me and I want to try them out. I’d prefer walking but there are some places where walking just isn’t possible. (Very hilly, 5 min walks between tee boxes, retired folks who can’t, etc)

      I think the biggest reason behind slow play is having one person sitting in the cart watching while the other hits their shot. An extra 10 seconds of someone’s pre-shot routine isn’t going to make a huge difference but sitting and waiting for your cartmate to punch out of the woods while you could be getting ready to hit your ball will add up. Everyone should be moving and getting ready to hit your next shot and I think the single person cart will help with that. People will be less inclined to follow each other if they have their own mode of transportation.

      People complaining about the “social ” aspect of a round are probably the ones sitting and chit chatting with their playing partner rather than going to hit their next shot. There will always be time to talk and if you can save 30 mins on the course, spend that in the clubhouse “closing your deal”. I get that it is a social game but I don’t think that people just aren’t going to talk because they have their own cart. Do you never talk to the people in the other cart in a foursome?

      Carts aren’t going away, but I like that places are taking a risk and trying something new. It isn’t going to appeal to everyone but as golf keeps changing and, I could see the traditional 2 person cart becoming less of a mainstay in the future especially at new places that are less geared towards the traditional old guy golfer.

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      Lynyrd

      5 years ago

      The Golf Board is way Cool. I like the Golf Board Pro but at 6500.00, um, that’s an investment.

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      Steve

      5 years ago

      $7,495 now for the Pro….ouch.

      Tim Birk

      5 years ago

      Problem with the golf board is that it is very tricky to drive, easy to have an accident. I own a three wheel single rider cart called the turf chopper, it is a blast to drive. And you do play much much quicker.

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      Steve

      4 years ago

      No, the real problem with the Golf board is the quality. The courses up here in the Northeast that have been running them or having nothing but problems with maintenance and parts breaking. They are starting to refuse using them because they can’t handle anything other than a dry southern course, put any kind of moisture in the picture and the tires start falling off or the electronics don’t work

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      Thomas Brokl

      5 years ago

      I am all in for personal carts. I have played at courses (Palm Desert, CA) where 4 carts go off with single riders and, with no one in front of you, you can play in 2 hours & 15 minutes or less. The key is to send the 4 cart groups out first, 3 cart groups next and then the regular 2 cart groups. The obvious gap between groups proves that One Player/Cart works to speed up play.

      Of the carts show here, the ELLWEE looks fabulous.

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      RICHARD MAZRIN

      5 years ago

      Green keepers would cringe st the thought of more wheels on coarse.
      Women couldn’t talk.

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      Art

      5 years ago

      It’s not about the number of wheels, but the amount of weight. These options may be better for the golf course, not worse.

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      James

      5 years ago

      Yes, the PSI per tire… not overall weight.

      Mike Reed

      5 years ago

      Any individual cart will have to be 3 or 4 wheels in order to be usable by the majority of players. A 2 wheel vehicle would be difficult for many to drive and, in some states, may require helmets (can you imagine a Golf Helmet?)

      In order to speed up play, I would like to see 6 hole courses and people carrying 10 clubs or less. Therefore, you could play 6, 12, or 18 holes. The holes could have a variety of hole lengths and tee boxes so you could play the course from different lengths for each round. Additionally, I would charge based on how long it takes a player to play. This, to me, would solve the slow play problem and make golf more appealing to new golfers.

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      Kevin

      5 years ago

      I don’t agree with the “charge based on how long it takes a player to play” concept.
      What if my foursome wants to keep the cost down and is playing much faster than the group in front of us who doesnt care about the cost and wants to take their time? That’d be unfair that I would have to pay more for my round as a result of the group in front of me playing slower than I would if they weren’t in front of me.

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      Anthiny

      5 years ago

      What if you are behind a slow group.

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      Paul Markowski

      5 years ago

      Golf for years has been an excellent way to get a customer out and spend the afternoon. The idea of a one person cart does away with the business round of golf. Carts are not the problem it’s the golfers,

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      Todd Aldridge

      5 years ago

      I agree with you 100%. Sharing a cart with someone may take more time, but it helps the social part of the game. More time is wasted looking for $1 balls that will never be found, lining up and re-lining up putts that have no chance of going in and dawdling. Play “ready golf” and 4 people should be able to complete a round in 4 hours

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      Chris Nickel

      5 years ago

      I’d contend it could make it better. Single-rider carts don’t eliminate conversation during a round, particularly on the tee and around the greens. I’d imagine customers will still enjoy an afternoon of golf and if the point is to drive business, then an extra 30+ minutes in the grill room or bar after the round could be quite beneficial

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      Andrew

      5 years ago

      Shouldn’t we be getting ready to hit around the greens and on the tee boxes? Riding (or walking) to your ball seems like a better (readier?) time to converse.

      James

      5 years ago

      There is always the opportunity for chit-chatting and deal-making on the greens and tee boxes. And in the grill room afterwards.

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      James

      5 years ago

      Oops… Chris beat me to it.

      Joel Halprin

      5 years ago

      The answer can be the Segway, with already available tires. Just need the bag holder and off you go. Old solution whose time has come. Just another log on the funeral pyre of the two wheeler.
      Cheers,
      Joel

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      Kenny B

      5 years ago

      Not going to happen any time soon; maybe at some resorts but certainly not at munis. Too much liability. Our course has a lot of slopes and mounds in the rough. I suspect these single rider carts would not be able to travel off the fairway without the risk of roll-overs. Our course leases carts, and I can’t begin to tell you how many carts have had to be repaired this last year alone. Thankfully, we get new carts in the spring.

      I live in the desert. In the summer it’s 100º+ every day; carts provide shade. In the winter it’s 20’s and 30’s and the carts provide a windshield; I have a cover to throw on a cart that provides added warmth and wind/rain protection for my wife and I. Single rider carts don’t have that protection.

      No mention has been made of how many rounds a single rider cart will make in a day. At our muni in the summer, a cart has to carry two people for three 18 hole rounds.

      It’s a great idea, but the pace of play would ultimately be determined by the slowest walking group on the course. Hop on your scooter… zoom to your ball… then spend more time waiting for your next shot. That is my worst nightmare as a golfer.

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      Charlez

      5 years ago

      Thank you for excellent response Kenny B. You touched on some key issues/problems of single rider ‘golf scooters’. Increased liability alone pretty much makes them unsuitable for commercial operations.

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      Steve

      5 years ago

      Most of the courses in northeastern Indiana that aren’t completely private were built for cart use; miles of cart paths and extended distances between holes. Two person carts are not the cause of slow play, it’s how they are used. Drive to the first ball, drop player off and move to the second and play golf. This business of both players driving to both balls is just stupid.

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      Kevin

      5 years ago

      Slow play is the result of GOLFERS, not carts. Slow people will always play slow regardless if they are walking, riding or flying.

      This wont solve the problems of :

      Golfers not watching where there ball ends up
      Taking forever over a shot
      Not being ready to hit your shot
      Forever lining up their mark on the ball for putting alignment
      Taking more time with score card and apps than playing

      Having four single golf carts will NOT make slow players any faster.

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      T

      5 years ago

      100% with you about that! Here in Europe we don’t like too much carts we’d rather walk so I’m not convince by this new “things”. We had a try with Segways which was serious enough but with no success…

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      Dan

      5 years ago

      Once the liability lawsuits hit courses, the insurance costs will all but eliminate two wheeled carts. Reality is that the industry has enough issues with alcohol and
      cart issues now . Hold on to your hats when two wheelers get on the courses. Don’t forget the simple balance factor with uneven terrain and two wheels. Add in a slick surface (grass) and kaboom. As an accident reconstructionist, and testifying expert witness in the general liability law field—two wheel carts are a DISASTER.

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      Blake

      5 years ago

      In our League we identify the slow players & give them their own cart, it works.
      All of a sudden they don’t want to be left behind and everybody is arriving at the green at the same time, we also play ready golf, whether on the tee, fairway or green. We have a senior league,ages between 65 to 85 and everyone is in within
      5hours, that’s good for our ages.

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      John

      5 years ago

      Kind of defeats the social side of golf. I enjoy riding with a partner and discussing how bad I’m playing.

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      Tony

      5 years ago

      Did anyone else notice a HUGE issue with most of these?…..WHERE DO I PUT MY BEER….I mean soda?! No cup-holders on most of these.

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      Robert

      5 years ago

      If people used two person carts intelligently, it wouldn’t be a problem. Drive to the first ball. While that person is getting ready, the 2nd person looks at his ball, takes a stab at the distance and grabs 3 clubs just in case. While the first person is getting ready/hitting, walk to your ball. Then you’ll be ready to hit your shot faster than having to wait in the cart for the first person to complain about how bad he hit the shot, fix his divot, clean his club and then get in the cart. If you are the first person and the 2nd person waited for you in the cart, hit your shot and just hop in the cart with your club and drive to the other ball. When you reach the 2nd ball, get out and clean your club, complain about your shot, etc.

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      Julian

      5 years ago

      When I retired, my wife bought me a Electronic Cart. Wonderful, had a remote on my belt and I could direct it anywhere. Walked all courses. Then I started to go south for the winter, Calif, Az, Texas, enjoyed the golf. Only one problem, all the green fees included a cart, no walking. Carts are the money makers,you buy a seat,half of the cart,double the profit. Do you think the retired,who are the majority during the week day, while the rest of you are working will pay for a single seat cart because the courses will not drop the price from a double seat. Course’s only care about slow play when it affects the amount of people they can jam onto the course. And also, do you notice it’s only on the weekends and early evenings when you are not working.If the amount of time you spend on a golf course bothers you,it’s time for you to walk away.

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      Kevin

      5 years ago

      I’d rather stay home than play a five hour round. Sucks all the enjoyment out of a round. Infuriates ,e when a club allows a few slow groups to ruin the day for all other groups.

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      RC

      5 years ago

      Everyone that plays is not able to walk, so carts are needed. For courses that want to try it, they can have the single cart as an option for those that want to go directly to their ball. Maybe that speeds up play a little, but my idea is to have a mandatory etiquette test at public courses. You get a lifetime certificate to play once you pass it. But seriously, I have seen people sit in a cart and watch their cart partner hit while their ball was just across the fairway.

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      Oweno

      5 years ago

      MGI has had a single person traditional style out for a few yeas.

      I think the best solution is a remote control electric trolley, very popular in the UK very small usage here in North America.

      I have the MGI Zip Navigator, I’m 60+ have asthma and overweight. And I’m now able to walk again after 10 years.. we can play in 3 1/2 hours, battery is lite(1 hand easy lift) and is rated for 36 + holes.

      How about doing a review on electric trolleys

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      JasonA

      5 years ago

      Real men use “onewheel” and a carry bag https://onewheel.com

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      TR1PTIK

      5 years ago

      This may be the best response and not because of the “real men” statement, but because the Onewheel makes a lot of sense for those who (a) feel comfortable riding one with a golf bag, (b) are able to afford it, and (c) golf courses allow them. You definitely got me curious. Onewheel XR added to my birthday wishlist!

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      Steve S

      5 years ago

      As long as you don’t exceed the 275lb limit!

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      KM

      5 years ago

      Get my putter!

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      Stan

      5 years ago

      I agree with many on safety and perhaps 3 and 4 wheel versions of single rider is best. Being a very long time golfer from days of caddies and no golf cars to today, speed of play has been a problem and many reasons have caused it. Back in the day when everyone walked play was faster and I have even timed it, as I managed golf courses for the past 30 years. Socializing is as important to some golfers as faster play but being ready to play your next shot instead of what happen on last nights TV, etc makes play faster.
      Also until golf cars who carried the beer and that is definitely a revenue stream for may facilities. As I mentioned in another thread the car manage screens or GPS as some said can speed up play and manage the flow. Also the new Shark Experience can draw more younger players perhaps but again will they be ready for their next shot and not have to go through the preset etc to make the play longer.

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      Sam

      5 years ago

      You won’t ever see the 2 person cart go away. There will always be a need for them whether is for a couple who wants to golf with each other(I see women ride with their guys all time even if they aren’t playing), those who can’t operate a 2 wheeled units, when I take my son to play(who is only 8) we take a cart because inevitably he gets tired or bored. Could you imagine all the single rider carts they would need for a 4 man team scramble tourney with 36 teams 2 teams per hole. Sounds like a disaster to me, then if these units are the 2 wheeled variety all I can imagine in my head is the El Riad Shriners in a parade weaving in and out of each other, not that this doesn’t happen from time to time with carts now. Its defiantly a good thought to try and speed up the game but I honestly believe having the Marshall do their job would speed up the weekend rounds. I know the ones around here are too afraid to make someone upset so they do much.

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      frank cruthers

      5 years ago

      A great way to double the cart fee revenue.
      What is it that makes you think that the foursome that travels together to every ball will change by doubling the number of vehicles. There will just be twice as many carts going together to every ball.

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      Mike

      5 years ago

      I don’t see this happening- especially in northern areas where carts must stay on the path during fall, winter and spring since many courses have soft ground. Two riders can easily walk out separately while bringing the cart forward on the path and play easily in under 4 hours. One person riding alone cannot maintain pace of play when you must keep on the cart path. While this might work in some climates most of the contraptions look uncomfortable to ride and courses will be maintaining two vehicles instead of one. Faster play results from ready golf, fewer practice swings and being ready to play when it is your turn.

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      Shawn

      5 years ago

      Bingo

      Now if I was in the Carolina’s , FL, AZ, etc. I would accept that riding one of these contraptions would be faster than walking. But it isn’t necessarily faster than the way we ride now.

      In the colder climates these make little to sense at all for roughly half of the actual season.

      Be ready to play when it’s your turn, and if your playing with some stickler that always wants to play honors…. and is never ready, find someone else to play with, because that person is the problem.

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      dlygrisse

      5 years ago

      For all of you who say “walk” I don’t think you are playing the same courses I play. 90% of the courses I play were designed to be played with a cart. LIke it or not, the modern fit golfer uses golf for fun and relaxation, they get their fitness at the gym.

      I too grew up walking public courses and carrying my bag, but times have changed in most locations.

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      Robert Dwyer

      5 years ago

      If it ain’t broke don’t fix it !

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      Chris Nickel

      5 years ago

      Agreed – but pace of play is “broken” – and how people transport themselves around the course is a necessary part of the solution.

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      10shot

      5 years ago

      So when will the industry start the “NO WALKERS” campaign ?

      talk about slow play, 4 fifty year old’s walking on hilly courses here in the NE.

      Yeah Yeah I know those who will complain about my comment can walk Smuggler’s Notch CC, Jefferson, VT in 2 hours…… /sarc

      I need to get more popcorn :)

      Shawn

      5 years ago

      It all sounds good in theory, but let’s just say courses start to semi-adopt new riding options aimed at improving pace of play. There won;t be a time where a course just goes full ham and sells off it;s entire fleet of traditional carts to adopt single rider options. So the pace of play issues will still be present. Traditional riding is faster than walking, single riding is faster traditional riding. You’ll always have a group (or groups) playing more slowly than the others causing delays.

      I don;t really believe the pace of play issues can be linked to having two person vs 1 person carts. They’re linked to people not playing to their skill level and not playing with a sense of purpose.

      If a person who plays slowly, without regard to anyone else on the course, they will play slowly whether they double or single ride, walk, or teleport.

      Pace of a play is a individual problem that can not be fixed. It would be like telling someone with a smug disposition to not be smug… it just is who they are.

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      Jerry Noble

      5 years ago

      We play all winter with a two door cover and heater. No way these contraptions can replace what I have.

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      Stephen Pearcy

      5 years ago

      So many who rail over slow play do so because fast play seems to be their badge of golfing prowess – Is 4:15 equate to 100 and 3:45 equate to 80? I think not. The one-person golf carts are fine but make sure you have sufficient ambulance carts to pick up the victims. Also, I think I’d rather have a roof when the rain comes.

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      KC

      5 years ago

      I would love to see the traditional cart go in favor of a 1 person transport, but I doubt that will happen any time soon. I don’t think many people want to use a 2-wheeler unless it’s some sort of self balancing Segway type, so 3-4 wheels will be needed. I prefer to walk and my worst days are using a cart in a tournament when it’s cart path only. As others have said, golf is shrinking and it’s probably not worth a company’s R&D time to develop a good low cost single person golf cart.

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      Jerry Noble

      5 years ago

      You are not going to grow golf by requiring people to walk. If I wish to get my walking in I go walk. I go to the golf course to play golf.

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      Divot

      5 years ago

      The slow play comment is very subjective – Two of my buddies constantly complain about slow play and yet my Arrcos shows we are finishing rounds in 4 hours, a long round is 4h 15.

      I think we all forget that we are playing golf and need to enjoy ourselves, if you want to race – Pick another sport

      Everybody complains about the group ahead of them being slow, yet they are entitled to enjoy themselves, if they are finishing a round in 4 hours to even 4.5 hours, then ease up, its not worth the stress

      Mark

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      THOMAS

      5 years ago

      Excess / waisted time when playing is either looking for balls in the rough
      or not playing ready golf and mostly is on and around the green – Play ready golf . especially when chipping and putting. Can save 30 to 40 minutes per round.
      Two player carts = Comradery ship

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      Shawn

      5 years ago

      Totally agree, but you;ll have people argue that they’re entitled to enjoy themselves, which I don’t disagree with, but there’s got to be a happy medium, where you can enjoy yourself, but play with purpose.

      Too many people that mid-high handicappers (of which I am one) are trying to play like they’re local qualifying for the US Open. Honors, looking for a lost ball, waiting until you have honors to read your putt or get into your pre-shot routine, not moving with a purpose… these are all the major contributors to pace of play, not the # of people per cart.

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      Jerry Noble

      5 years ago

      It depends on the skill of the players how long it should take and the course. But for those who are fairly proficient, there will not be a lot of lost balls and the round can usually be played in less than 4 hours. Our foursome usually plays 18 in 3 hours and that includes waiting until you are out to hit and reading putts. However, if someone is out of the hole, and hits it in a spot that will take too much time to play they pick it up and record a double bogey

      Jerry Noble

      5 years ago

      I forgot one thing that is probably the main reason we play a round in 3 hours. We all have our own cart. If you are speaking of two to a cart, then yes, 4 hours is to be expected.

      Jeff

      5 years ago

      Not a fan of carts on general. I think people would be healthier if they can walk. What I am not seeing, aside.from one company, are healthy walking alternatives like gold bikes. I built my first one two years ago. Can ride it.to. My local course, play 18 riding then ride it home. Generation 2 last year I used a burley trailer for my full bag. Stop designing generation 3 for the upcoming season. Played 18 holes in 1 hour 45 minutes last summer. I can go faster than the cats because no speed limiter. My game had improved as well over walking with a push cart, less tight in my shoulders.and hips.

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      Shawn

      5 years ago

      If there was a way to get everyone off the carts, at least everyone physically capable, I would be all for it. Walking, using a push/ pull cart, etc. is the way the game should be played.

      I walk all the time alongside my friends who ride, and I am never the cause of delays in game play.

      The casual stroll with no sense of purpose, and no consideration for people who do like to get on & off the course in 4 hours or less is the problem.

      it doesn’t need it be rushed, it’s not a race, but it can be enjoyed at a decent pace.

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      James

      5 years ago

      Everyone off carts who is physically capable. Bandon Dunes and Chambers Bay. You need a doctor’s written note to use a power cart.

      Jeff

      5 years ago

      Why not include the golf board? Haven’t used it but a buddy has, said it was a blast. Right size for starage, low cg, efficient…may not work for everyone but seems like a viable option to include

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      John

      5 years ago

      In the NW, some of the resorts have golf boards, but charge more than for a two person cart. Every one has tried them once for the novelty factor. but for the resorts, most have deemed them to be not a profitable option due low repeat demand and resulting low overall revenue production vis-à-vis the two person carts..

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      Jim Farrell

      5 years ago

      Totally ridiculous. You have had hair brained ideas in the past but you have truly outdone yourself today.

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      Spitfisher

      5 years ago

      Like many, I just don’t see the “single cart” happening. Pace of play really needs to be addressed. I vote Speith and Deschambeau to be scape goats of knocking off all the BS preshot routine crap. Make it 20 seconds and enforce it. Rant over.

      At my semi private home course its very hilly, paved cart paths, with some steep pitches in fairways and distance between tee boxes. A 4some of riders in two carts, middle handicapers can easily play in 3:15-3:30 and still settle world hunger, peace in the middle east and all political problems in this country. This too me is enjoyment. A nice flow of arriving, warm up, play and having a drink or a bite after in well under 5 hours.

      Walkers on the other hand are usually 1:15 to 1:30 hours behind, ironically not because they are walking but not moving along when they can.

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      Chris Nickel

      5 years ago

      If pace of play needs to be addressed, so to does the manner in which people move about the course. If a 4-some can play in 3:30 or so, how much quicker could they play comfortably in individual carts?

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      10shot

      5 years ago

      Chris,

      How long in you mind should a round of golf take?
      I play for fun, relaxation and family/friend time.

      10shot

      Chris Nickel

      5 years ago

      It sounds like you’re suggesting that a more efficient pace of play works against social time/relaxation. If so, I don’t necessarily agree. The common complaints around playing golf are two-fold – it takes too long and can be cost prohibitive.

      I think there’s a very reasonable middle ground – which is still going to be course dependent – but still quite a bit less than they 4+ hours/round so many see as typical now.

      Sonny Barger

      5 years ago

      Whatever happened to the golf segue’s? I rode a demo on our course and it was perfect. The low impact the cart had on the course plus the fact you actually had to have some core muscles to enjoy the ride.

      These all look cool but the majority of the members at my course are 65+. Never touch it. Plus they get soaked for $1900 a year for trail fees so they will drive whatever they. Not unusual to see 5 golf carts on 1 hole.

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      Dr Tee

      5 years ago

      I think 2 person carts will be around for a long long time. The one person devices pictured look unconfortable, don’t offer any windshield or shade protection and most don’t have any back support. I suspect that there will be a limited market and use for these, but I don’t see them taking over the market any more than the golf board! They are a novelty which will enjoy limited use. For the record–I walk and carry a lightweight bag whenever and wherever possible.

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      David

      5 years ago

      I am retired and work at a course here where I live. We have 8 courses in our gated community and most residents are retired. This may be the future but it will take a generation to change. The older guys are resistant to change and physical capabilities limit their ability. Then you have the courses that would rather clean 75 two person carts daily instead of 150 single seaters. I see the cost being a major capital expenditure, do the single seat carts generate the same or more amount of revenue? I have used the single person cart that is like a skateboard with a handle (forget the name). I loved it but just too expensive and hard to haul around. My wife would need one too and no way could she load it in her car when she plays. Interesting topic, will be following to see what transpires.

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      HDTVMAN

      5 years ago

      Quickest way to speed up the game… chipped balls linked to your smart phone. Yes, distance would be slightly less, but finding the ball would be fast. Pair each ball to your phone and go.

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      David

      5 years ago

      As stated:
      -Course condition is a major factor: well managed roughs is important. A course can be difficult. But you have to know immediately if your ball is lost or not. When in doubt, you search and start losing time.
      -Start pins: Be clever, do not start from pins that are way too hard for you.

      I’m playing 30 over par (started april 2017), but play as fast players around 10 or less. Only because I quickly assess wether it’s useful or not to search for my ball when it does not go in the direction I wanted :D

      I’m marginally faster with a cart, but last 4 holes are easier on hilly courses so you tend to play better as you do not need as much stamina, even when only in your early 40s and fit.

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      John

      5 years ago

      As far as the 2 wheel options I can see drunken daredevils being a real hazard on the course. Idiots trying to jump sand traps etc. I think the course would have to much liability with 2 wheel models.

      Part of the reason I like to play golf is for the social interaction. Having 4 guys with their own personal transportation would eliminate a lot of the social aspect. Also take into consideration that golf is played through the week mainly by older retired folks who don’t really embrace change.

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      dave

      5 years ago

      When I’m playing lousy golf, having nice conversations with my cart mate is the only saving grace of being out there! Having four carts whiz around a hole would seemingly make it somewhat anti-social.

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      HDTVMAN

      5 years ago

      When I’m playing lousy I move directly to the 19th hole…beer, snacks, big screens, air conditioning, & good conversations.

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      Clay Nicolsen

      5 years ago

      As both an avid golfer and a trained, experienced motorcycle rider, I’ll toss in my thoughts on the two-wheeled carts.

      For everyone who has played a large variety of courses, including hilly courses with steep uphill and downhill cart paths, a single-track golf cart is a non-starter, unless they’re not allowed on the course when the cart paths are wet. The crashes would be unavoidable.

      Most importantly, you can’t use a kickstand of any type when the ground is soft or wet, because it will sink into the ground and the cart will go over, unless there is a large, flat, bottom piece attached to the end of the kickstand.

      On the other hand, I am a huge fan of the concept of a one-person golf cart. I think it absolutely has a future, and I think it will indeed speed up play since it will eliminate the zig-zagging back and forth to get two players in one cart to two different balls in two different locations.

      However, the cost, which is not mentioned in this article, is going to be very, very important.

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      Chris Nickel

      5 years ago

      Clay – For some of the reasons you suggest, I don’t believe the final solution will be one with 2-wheels – but I can see it becoming a niche offering in certain parts of the country. (Phat is big at La Costa and several other courses) –

      We didn’t want to get too deep in cost for a couple reasons -Readers can be easily distracted and begin debating a part of the conversation which is admittedly quite fluid. Some companies are still figuring out purchasing/leasing/revenue sharing platforms, but as you suggest, this will be an important part of any conversation moving forward.

      My belief is if courses want to figure out a solution and companies want to sell vehicles, they’ll find some common ground

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      Clay Nicolsen

      5 years ago

      Thanks for the reply, Chris.

      I agree that a 2-wheel cart definitely will be a good fit at some courses. The first that came to mind were relatively flat courses in the southwest, where there isn’t a lot of rain. Honestly, I’d love a 2-wheeler, but I know how to ride one.

      Agreed on the cost issue as well. Could be an instant off-topic tangent. I am curious, though!

      Great discussion.

      Kevin k

      5 years ago

      I see a release or waiver for half of those not to mention the cost of 4 vehicle’s vs 2 for a foursome

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      Regis

      5 years ago

      Reality is that golf is not a growing sport. Most courses lease their carts . They provide storage and charging capabilities. Very few will spend the money to rebuild their setup unless they become an overwhelming demand. 25 years ago, all courses started installing those on line overhead cart computers. Get your GPS yardage. Order a hit dog at the turn. Now you almost never see them

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      Rick

      5 years ago

      Well if anything, this movement would at least justify two people paying a cart fee.

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      Lynn Dalton

      5 years ago

      Honestly, I don’t think this is the correct route to speed up play. It seems to me that the trouble is searching for their ball. It’s not the speed of the cart. It’s not, not playing “cart golf”…one left rough and one right rough. The times the rough gets high at my course…that’s when play slows down. BTW, do the blue glasses really work??

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      Chris Nickel

      5 years ago

      No doubt slow play is a problem with a variety of causes – some of which are course specific.. With that, if golfers can physically move around the course more efficiently, I have to believe there’s a net gain to pace of play.

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      Terry McDowell

      5 years ago

      I think your prediction of the 2 person golf cart dying is greatly exaggerated. First of all, just because it has 2 seats doesn’t mean that 2 people have to ride in it. At my club most of the guys who own their own carts ride by themselves. Secondly if you cut the cart in half then you essentially make the cart more susceptible to rollover. I don’t see 2 person carts going anywhere.

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      Rob C

      5 years ago

      “t my club most of the guys who own their own carts ride by themselves.”

      Oh boy, I bet the Superintendent there loves you guys. And don’t tell me otherwise, of course he can’t say anything directly if he wants to keep his job. But every super I have worked with groans in agony when he sees two or three carts on the course with 3 single players.

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      Keith

      5 years ago

      Rob I get what you are saying but single riding carts like this article talks about would essentially be the same thing. 4 “vehicles” on one hole for a foursome.

      Rob C

      5 years ago

      Kieth…I guess it depends on which type vehicle, the 4 wheeler yes, the moped/scotter style that only have two wheels, you’d be talking two wheels per golfer not 4 wheels per for the guys taking single carts like Terry mentioned. Plus I believe the reps I’ve spoken to say even the small 3 and 4 wheel provide less PSI than the traditional carts.

      They certainly aren’t a perfect solution. But I don’t see any reason a course should let 2 players going out at the same time take two separate carts. it’s just more costly and less efficient (from the course perspective) all the way around.

      Chris Nickel

      5 years ago

      Make no mistake, the 2-person cart is on the way out. What’s faster, four people in four carts or four people in two carts? In the US there are roughly 3x as many public courses as there are private – and with roughly 24 million golfers, eventually the math will dictate the more cost and time efficient option.

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      Mark

      5 years ago

      Well I can tell you that you I disagree if you say 2 person carts will be gone completely. I live in Montana, we play year round when there is no snow on the ground, if you think our golf courses are going to lose the revenue because somebody has a 2 person cart with a cart cover and heater when it is 35 degrees out, I have to disagree. If you say single person carts will eventually be more of a norm than a novelty, I can agree with that. I like Sun mountains way of splitting revenue with course for 3 years and then its the golf courses cart. A couple of our local courses have booked 4 to test them out, first group out kind of thing. Doesn’t make much sense to have 4 of them mid day behind a bunch of slow walkers. Careful when making statements of fact, they don’t hold up well. The internet doesn’t forget. lol

      MacJazz

      5 years ago

      The PGA model is about profit/loss in all aspects of golf course operations. If there is a profit to be made – it will be done.
      The younger generation want speed and not necessarily learn to play well but have a experience with the time they have (or attention span or sobriety). I don’t think they really care for the 5-star experience on the course or the social aspects considering the singular cell phones, earphones, own music, video games, etc. This is generational. The single rider golf cart is giving the consumer another way to spend his money and allowing someone else to make it.
      Shade protection is an issue for those of us in southern climes. I can walk with my trolley and keep up with any 2 golfers in a cart.

      10shot

      5 years ago

      Cool looking rig. Gona need a canopy for my bald head…..

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      Peter Trivanovich

      5 years ago

      We call those “hats” around here

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      Allan Chandler

      5 years ago

      Hate to see this even being discussed. I will walk the golf course whenever I can for as long as I can. Carts are terrible(though necessary for people with limited fitness/mobility), and one person vehicles would be twice as bad. At least with a two person cart, you are in your partner’s company, but if you have a foursome with four scooters buzzing around the course? You might not say a word to each other for most of the round.

      This appears to be a very disturbing trend. I don’t like it at all.

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      Frank clay

      5 years ago

      Agree 100%.

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      Regis

      5 years ago

      Problem is, like it or not cart fees are the driving income incentive even at private clubs. Secondly, the overwhelming majority of avid golfers would give up the game if they had to walk . Sad but true. Golf is not a growing sport ..Most new people taking up the game are those approaching or already in retirement. Our club is always busy. Walking is always an option and that means no cart fees. Only time one sees a walker is late afternoon and it’s usually teenagers

      SMITTY

      5 years ago

      WALK.

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      Chris Nickel

      5 years ago

      The reality is, some golfers are always going to want to walk – and come hell or high water, that’s exactly what they’ll do. But what that fails to acknowledge is how many courses were/are built with riding as the expectation.

      And while golf is a social game, no type of transportation eliminates downtime on the tee, green, etc. for socializing – and if you play 15-30 minutes faster, that’s more time to grab a burger or beverage too

      Rod

      5 years ago

      Carts aren’t terrible. Walking should always be an option, and I support a golfer’s freedom to decide form him/herself. But there’s no denying it’s part of the problem. There’s a reason some clubs mandate riding.

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      Timothy Williams

      5 years ago

      I disagree with the concept of a foursome “BUZZING around the course”. I believe the foursome behind and in front will keep that foursome together, and yes, it is possible that you may have one “YAHOO” in the group but don’t we see that one person today as well in today’s golf cart? I believe you are using a very broad stroke of the brush putting so many people into the yahoo buzzing. Most golfers today are very courteous (if they have been taught the rules of ready golf) and being able to get to your ball quicker will definitely speed up play which will be good for the game. Look at the statistics of why more people are not interested in playing golf and one of the top reasons is in today’s society very few feel like they have 4 1/2 -5 hours to play a round of golf. I have a 4.5 handicap and I too have many days I would like to play but I can’t manage the time to allow 5 hours of “me time”.

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      Warren

      5 years ago

      From a course perspective do these new models reduce the courses maintenance costs? Support costs? I think there has to be a benefit to them before they buy. Then what is most attractive to golfers? I think the 2 wheel models are good for younger drivers. 3 or 4 wheel will be needed for older players. And the on thing we get from 2 person carts is some protection from cold and rain with windshields and tops. For some regions this will be an important factor impacting adoption.

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      Graham Riley

      5 years ago

      There is another vehicle coming to market mid year called ‘The Moova’ and has all the required ‘goodies’ to make all golfers happy campers and for the golf club space ain’t going to be an issue………. keep an eye out. Oh and designed by yours truly!!!

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      Colin

      5 years ago

      Best of luck with the new project. I personally believe the new rules missed out on an opportunity to speed up play, and I love new transport gadgets.

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      DawgDaddy

      5 years ago

      As a 70+ year old I would eliminate any of the 2 wheel options from consideration, but the 3 and 4 wheelers are intriguing to me. I can see the single rider options speeding up the game, especially compared to when a slicer and a hooker are in the same golf cart.

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      Johnny Cowboy

      5 years ago

      Why would someone bring a hooker to the golf course?

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      Stickburn

      5 years ago

      because Bob Hope is the funniest hooker ever

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