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👍 Is Pro Golf Facing a Crisis?

In this addition of Ask Alan, our Alan Shipnuck takes reader questions about the golf world.

What DEFCON is pro golf at right now? That the top two tours can’t get over 100K viewers on a Sunday seems disastrous even for football season. Combined with the lackluster ratings for the playoffs, it really does seem like this sport is in a fast downward spiral! @SarrMaclean

I’m going to say DEFCON 2: a raging crisis that is threatening to turn into mutually assured destruction. The PGA Tour has been badly devalued by the loss of so many key protagonists, and the TV ratings you cite reflect that. The Tour’s new benefactors can’t be happy, either, as the first billion dollars of private equity money was shoveled to players without a dollar going toward upgrading the product. After three seasons and countless billions of dollars, LIV still has only a modest audience and now faces numerous big-ticket personnel decisions as the first wave of signees age out and/or need to be put out to pasture.

A deal to (sort of) reunify the sport is not a magic cure-all, as many former fans have realized that they’re okay not watching golf… and Bryson DeChambeau teeing it up at the Byron Nelson is not going to change that. The tour wars couldn’t have come at a worse time because the pro game was already suffering a glaring personality deficit. Greg Norman, Payne Stewart, Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson, Ernie Els, Vijay Singh…golf enjoyed a quarter century run of charismatic stars, badasses and transcendent talent. Now the PGA Tour is dominated by low-key nice guys who barely make the needle twitch. LIV has all the antiheroes and spicy personalities but they remain mostly out of sight and out of mind. We’ll see how things shake out in the off-season but DEFCON 1 could be coming.

Is Rory’s inability to win physical or mental? Or metaphysical? @Kevinp613

All of the above. With the Senior Tour in Pebble Beach last week, I sought out Ernie Els, who has many parallels with McIlroy: a massive talent who tasted whirlwind success at a young age and then came to be haunted by various near-misses. Els is friends with McIlroy—he sold his old house in South Florida to Rory—but he doesn’t mince words. “It’s not going to get easier, that’s for sure,” Els said. “Pinehurst, that is going to sting for a long time. Mentally, we’re going to have to see. When that little bit of doubt creeps in, it’s hard to get it out. I’ve been there many times. You beat yourself up.”

Els couldn’t hide his frustration when thinking back on the final holes of this year’s U.S. Open, at which McIlroy blew a 2-stroke lead. “He hit the wrong club at 15,” Els said. “Driver was the wrong play on 18. He could have hit a 2-iron off the tee. And then to hit his pitch too hard and be above the hole, that was a terrible leave.”  

Els has tried to be a confidant and advisor to McIlroy; after the 2022 Open Championship, at which Rory got run over by Cam Smith on the back nine, the Big Easy invited his friend over for dinner to give him a pep talk. “I wanted to help him get his head in the right place,” Els says. But he is vexed by McIlroy’s  reluctance to address some of the holes in his game. “He has to hit softer cut shots with his short irons,” Els say. “I’m sure I’ve said that to him. Get absolute control. There’s a reason Tiger played his best with a little soft cut. When you have that much power, you need to get control of the ball with a little cut spin.”

So there you have it: course management, wedge play, self-belief… there are a lot of explanations as to why McIlroy keeps getting his heart broken.

What would Lydia need to do the rest of the year to beat out Nelly and win the Golf Writers of America player of the year voting? @DREAMWeaver2784

It’s pretty much a dead heat right now. Ko has the two crown jewels of this season, the Open at the Old Course and Olympic gold medal, along with two other LPGA wins. Korda had an incredible run this spring, with six victories including a major championship, but her play ever since has been disappointing and occasionally catastrophic. If I had to vote today I’d go Ko. But there are eight more tournaments on the LPGA schedule; either of these mega-talents can go on a run and create a little daylight in a very spirited POY race.

Nelly Korda and Lydia Ko have both enjoyed tremendous seasons. (GETTY IMAGES/Ross Kinnaird)

Billy Horschel should be on every team competition for the next five years. He has more heart than most of the recent captain’s picks. The guy just doesn’t give up. Furyk will win the Prez Cup, but isn’t his mission to strengthen the bench for the Ryder Cup? @david_troyan

It is somewhat amazing that U.S. captains have an army of experts and vice captains to weigh in and yet they consistently fail to recognize the single most important quality for the Cups: the fight in the dawg. Like Keegan Bradley and Kevin Kisner and Lucas Glover, Horschel has been snubbed for an American team when it is plainly obvious he would add a much needed dimension. Your point about the Ryder Cup is well taken. Horschel is exactly the kind of personality who could shine amidst the rowdiness at Bethpage and this Presidents Cup would have been a valuable dress rehearsal. Instead we got safe, uninspired picks of players whose primary qualifications appear to be belonging to the right clique.

What can be done to give the Presidents Cup some juice?  Even with an International win, I don’t think it moves the needle. Please don’t tell me to go f*ck myself. @ricksterps

I would never! But go to your room, you’re in timeout… because there is simply no way to add juice to the Presidents Cup. It is a Tour product so the suits in Ponte Vedra will never allow the stage to be shared by LPGA interlopers, which of course would make the whole thing so much more interesting. And they’ll never embrace a non-traditional format like a worst-balls scramble that would be zany fun. The Presidents Cup just is. It will never have the intensity or history of the Ryder Cup, and it’s foolhardy to pine for that. Just enjoy the Prez Cup as low-level. It could be worse: at least you’re not watching football.

How much of a ricochet shot did the Presidents Cup take with LIV removing key players from the International team? The 2019 PCup seemed to be a sign of great competitions to come, but it’s now ruined with Cam, Niemann, etc. not being able to participate. @Twooters1

It’s definitely a bummer for the Internationals not to have Joaquin Niemann and Cam Smith, who would arguably be their two best players. LIV’s effect on the Cups can’t be overstated. At the last Ryder, the U.S. was weakened by not having Bryson DeChambeau or Dustin Johnson and Europe strengthened by not being forced to give aging warriors Ian Poulter, Lee Westwood, Henrik Stenson or Sergio Garcia a last stand, opening up spots for young studs like Ludvig Aberg and Nicolai Højgaard. If Jon Rahm fails to retain his eligibility for the ‘25 Ryder Cup, it will be a huge blow to Team Europe. So, yes, the International Team at this Presidents Cup has been wounded but that is now part of the cost of doing business in the new golf landscape.

The Presidents Cup could use players like Cameron Smith and Joaquin Niemann. (GETTY IMAGES/Lintao Zhang)

If Rory never wins the Masters does he still become a normal member at ANGC post playing career? @HoselBombs

Highly doubtful, when you consider that even a beloved figure and two-time Masters champ like Ben Crenshaw hasn’t been made a dues-paying member.

Alan, I fear we will never see a Ryder Cup on a links course. It’s just not what the Europeans want to do apparently. Do you think we will ever see a Ryder Cup on a links? @bobbytrunole

The problem with just about every links course is that they are bordered by the sea, wild terrain and often quaint little towns; there is precious little space for the corporate villages, parking and other infrastructure needs of golf’s Super Bowl. The courses in the Open Championship rota have solved these issues to a large degree but they are old, proud clubs disinclined to put up the tens of millions of dollars required to host the modern Ryder Cup. So, I am dubious that we’ll ever get the Cup on a proper links. The good news is that the course’s bona fides are less important in match play, where you’re competing against the other man, not par.

Which major will be the first to invite the top 5 from the LIV points list? @glennmcspadden

Neither the Masters or PGA Championship has to make such a commitment, as they are both invitationals and can already cherrypick the occasional LIV player, as each tournament has already done. Mike Whan, who runs the USGA, fancies himself a maverick and strategic thinker and is clearly more likely to buck tradition than the tweedy gents at the R & A. So the answer is the U.S. Open, but top 5 seems ambitious; I think the top LIV player not otherwise exempt makes sense and is justified. Maybe the top 2. I doubt any major will make a commitment beyond that.

I hate hypotheticals, except this one, which has two parts: What do you think Adam Scott’s career would look like if 1) he was an average putter 2) He was a top 10 putter? @caia437

  1. Three major championship victories, 25 PGA Tour wins.
  2. Mickelsonian.

If Keegan automatically qualifies for the ‘25 Ryder cup team, then what do you think the odds are of him both playing and captaining at the same time? @Not311Drummer

100%. First of all, Keegan has made it quite clear how much he is dying to play in another Ryder Cup and why should he penalize himself and not do so if he has earned his way onto the team? Beyond that, the Ryder Cup is an entertainment product. It would be great theater for Bradley to wear both hats, his every twitch chronicled by the NBC, USA, Golf Channel (and Netflix!) cameras. 

Is Tom Brady the Notah Begay of Tony Romos? @FakePoulter

No, he is the Smylie Kaufman of Terry Bradshaws.

Top Photo Caption: Rory McIlroy will have to fight through heartbreak to reach a fifth major. (GETTY IMAGES/Richard Heathcote)

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      Scott Smith

      6 months ago

      It would help the PGA to stop shoving rory down our throats. Why does the pga insist on this? What does the PGA stand for? Professional Golfers’ Association of America. Maybe try making an American the pga spokesman. rory won’t play for the Americans in Ryder Cup, so why should the pga make him out for this guy that is the future of the game. He’s not. How about Scheffler, Schauffele, or Morikawa to name a few. And the golf channel & nbc are way over the top with this rory sh!t, much like their political views.

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      Kuso

      6 months ago

      PGA is not the same as the PGA Tour. They are separate entities
      The PGA runs the clubs and faculties and has teachers around the country.
      The PGA TOUR is the “league” like all other sports leagues, it’s where professionals compete against each other for prizes trophies and money. So the league, like all other leagues, need “image” athletes and therefore uses their elite players to promote said league. It’s a product hype advertisement thing, it needs star players as heroes

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      Scott Smith

      6 months ago

      Oh so like LIV is doing with pga tour did.

      Marc

      6 months ago

      when the majority of the best and most popular players to watch left for LIV, it killed the interest in pga. no one wants to see the best of ‘the rest’ compete; they want to see ALL of the best competing together. yes there are still some good players left in pga, but not many, and not enough to keep folks interesting in pga.

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      I miss, I miss, I make

      6 months ago

      Would you list the “majority” of the best players in LIV. I count maybe 5.

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      WBN

      6 months ago

      Why doesn’t the PGA eliminate the FedEx cup and put all that money in creating/upgrading other tournaments? I don’t care for a format where a player steps on the first tee and has a 10 stroke advantage. Let them battle it out on an even playing field each tournament like the rest of the season.

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      I miss, I miss, I make

      6 months ago

      The FedEx Cup is the FedEx Cup because FedEX is putting up the money. FedEx calls the shots. If the TOUR were to change the format FedEx could withdraw their financial support.

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      mg

      6 months ago

      We need a Dan Jenkins writing about golf.

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      Delta Charlie

      6 months ago

      It seems pretty straightforward: YouTube and its “creators” are better products for younger generations. 1 million+ are regularly tuning in to see Shiels, GoodGood, or the #1 Lithuanian (Golf Sidekick) play in an engaging product. It beggars belief that the Saudis are paying billions to get the same audience. If they had been a little more strategic, they would have invested in a range of YouTube golfers and built a tournament around them for a mere fraction of the price.

      The PGA seem to have finally realised the need to engage with YouTubers. Takomo and Vice golf know that you don’t need pros, and that YouTubers can give a better ROI on marketing.

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      Mark

      6 months ago

      The announcers on any golf broadcast just can’t shut up, especially the LPGA announcers (see Stupples) I don’t need a has-been tour player who won once to tell me that this putt is going to break left and it goes right 75% of the time. At least with LIV it doesn’t matter because it’s so loud and more relaxed and other than Greg Norman spouting off the announcers are palatable. I do not watch LIV or the PGA very often anymore. As with most pro sports the almighty $$$ has taken over as king. (see LIV …lol) and what a shame it all is. Best watch is the Korn Ferry guys gagging when they are on the bubble….if you can’t make it over the hump you don’t belong! Unfortunately the guy who drops a pass or fumbles the ball away still gets his millions regardless unless he holds out for more…because he can. It starts at the top and Tiger is not in town anymore…..

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      Brad

      6 months ago

      Yep, I still watch the PGA, but it has to be recorded so I can run through all the commercials. That’s what’s killing the audience- commercial after advertising and then again- like these pop-ups in MGS ;-)

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      Mike

      6 months ago

      Bingo! I only watch the men’s majors & Ryder cup but do end up taping most of the broadcast. I watch more LPGA events but usually only the final round or two. Only knock I have vs the LPGA is the lousy TV coverage.

      Michael Penn

      6 months ago

      The past couple of years golf coverage has really declined. The coverage is all over the place trying to follow to many things at once. The tour hasn’t done us any favors either, what happened to the World golf championships?. I miss the full field events, enough of the signature events with limited fields. It’s obvious that it’s all just about money now and not playing for the win. We need new leadership for all of the tours and get everything resolved, leave the DOJ out of the negotiations the Government screws everything up.

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      Denis

      6 months ago

      You’re right. The only thing that matters is HOW MUCH $$$$. Sad. Never watched LIV and I will not watch it in the future. PGA kind of boring. Watch some LPGA event and it is not bad. Can’t beleive that golf is where it is now. Thanks to Greg Norman, the saudis and, of course, the $$$.

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      David

      6 months ago

      All paths in this fiasco lead to Greg Norman. The charismatic golfer and successful businessman eventually showed his true colors. And he is truly a vengeful man with a very “dark side.” The smiles and joyfulness are fake.

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      Denis

      6 months ago

      Spot on. Can’t stand the guy.

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      Kuso

      6 months ago

      No it doesn’t!!!! It’s the prejudiced American such as yourself who can’t handle the other countries getting on equal footing.
      At least with LIV the players actually travel the world and challenge themselves in foreign countries with various cultures and languages

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      Jay horton

      6 months ago

      love the LPGA, very competitive. PGA has killed itself with the selfish power plays. Phil Mickelson was completely correct about how the tour management were screwing the players. I turn on the telecast and I don’t know half of the players, who wants to watch that crap. They don’t fix this they are circling the bowl.

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      Jr

      6 months ago

      Haven’t watched a single pga event since liv hit the streets. Love the individual and team aspect. Spent a long a time in a sport with individual and team points so I enjoy the pressure of both involved in the same event. My favorite horse laugh is listening or reading from a paid critiic how they don’t understand the format yet are critical thinkers regarding liv/pga. Yeah ok. Every muni beer league has the format. PGA was long overdue for a shakeup.

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      RC

      6 months ago

      I play golf early in the morning because I don’t have all day. I watch, and have always watched, RECORDED rounds for the same reason. I blast through commercials and non-contender coverage. It’s the EXACT same for me as a viewer that it’s always been, other than needing to record LIV so that I can watch two of my favorite players (BD and Rahm). By the way, mentioning the International teams “two best players” without mentioning Rahm kind of lets you know the deficiencies of this “journalist”.

      I watch the team golf the same way, and unlike a lot of golf “snobs”, I’ve ALWAYS been a huge fan of the LPGA/women’s tours, and I also record those rounds so I can skip the non essential coverage.

      There is nothing wrong with the pro game (unless you’re a sponsor looking for the most return on your cash). Could the PGA narrow fairways, grow rough, and speed up/slow down greens to penalize these elite players more? Yes!

      Right now, Scottie is making it look easy…but just like Tiger had challengers, Scottie has a couple. Golf is cyclical. Another phenom is playing putt putt right this minute…just wait and see…and stop whining!

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      Kuso

      6 months ago

      PGA Tour will never grow out the rough and tighten fairways and do all that to make it difficult to play, because they want to showcase birdies and scoring, because they think people want to see scoring than players being skilled

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      deBunker

      6 months ago

      Rahm is not eligible to play on the International team in the Presidents Cup. He is a European player (Ryder Cup). The reference to the “two best players” was strictly related to the Presidents Cup.

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      James Nielsen

      6 months ago

      Tried to watch liv. Did not like it. I do watch PGA events.

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      Ned

      6 months ago

      Agree tournament golf has gotten Boring. They need to add some excitement to it. Men/Ladies tournament, Skins game, wolf, ETC.

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      MarkM

      6 months ago

      I disagree with your initial assertion that the PGA tour will be gone in 5 years – now LIV … hopefully sooner.
      You can’t look at PGA viewing numbers like we used to – there are a LOT of people who watch on streaming platforms now and those numbers aren’t getting counted.
      What would help? DP needs another platform for replays of tournaments that are in the middle of the night here in the US. And good luck seeing the LPGA, coverage is spotty and hard to find for most tourneys – let’s get them a regular TV schedule.
      I think the main issue is the coverage – it’s awful. Too many commercials, promos, BS and putts (do we really need to see every tap-in to 4 footer? I think not) – not enough actual golf shots.
      I also don’t buy the party line that we need a dozen LIV guys back on tour to make it more exciting. Every weekend, no matter the field, there are compelling stories and performances at every tour stop. Just because the general public can only name about 10 golfers doesn’t make the actual golf boring, as I said before, it’s the presentation.

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      Kuso

      6 months ago

      No matter how much they scream, the Women don’t get the viewing numbers nor the attendance at events to justify any more coverage than it’s getting, as is
      Economics has to win the day, though, the US is in the biggest debt it’s ever been in, so take that how you will LMAO

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      Clovis

      6 months ago

      Despite the debt we’ll still save your country again if we have another world war – don’t fret.

      WBN

      6 months ago

      Agree with the too many commercials. The “playing thru” feature is worthless. It’s almost impossible to tell who the player is and any printed info is so small it is unreadable.

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      Andrew King

      6 months ago

      If the LPGA were marketed properly it would be an amazing injection of enthusiasm into professional golf. However, the TV coverage is absolutely boring. I agree with Robin Williams, we need the guy calling Mexican soccer to announce. We need personalities in the game. They are all boring. If Rory was living up to his potential, maybe we would have something. Scottie is agonizing.

      I think that most people, much like me, are tired of the commercials, tired of having to pay through the nose for cable (so we cut the cable), and not able to watch the PGA tournaments online . If I had to pay $10 a month for Golf Channel I might would do it. But, I am not paying for cable, not paying >$10, and not really concerned who wins, at all. Who will be the next Jack, Phil, or Tiger? Without them no one cares. Look at the WNBA, Clark has brought viewership….without her, no one would care.

      Football, basketball, baseball, tennis, etc. have all settled on the parameters of the equipment that is played by both amateurs and professionals. Why can’t golf? If you really want to take away the advantage the pros have: tighten the fairways, shorten some of the holes, take the driver out of their hands, making all the holes risk/reward holes. Fix it where the pros have to buy clubs the way we do. Fix it where they have to use the balls we do. Get rid of the yardage books, no caddies, carrying their own bags, range finder only (without slope), and let’s see how they do.

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      Kuso

      6 months ago

      You can’t compare the NBA, NFL, MLB – because amateurs don’t play in those arenas and stadiums after the Pros have gone through them, the bifurcation is necessary in those games for those reasons, in golf we have varying tees, and handicaps but the equipment has to stay the same, because I am sure if you get the chance to play one of the Tour stops on the Monday after the Pros have played it in the same conditions, you would, as some do, but I don’t and won’t ever see you stepping into Yankee stadium and have somebody throw you a fastball at 99mph for you to try to hit it out of the park with the same wooden bat

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      Steve Wade

      6 months ago

      If I use my self as an experience of one; absolutely! Three years ago I was an avid watcher of just about anything! Golf Channel was always on in the background. Did LIV have anything to do with this? Not directly. IMHO they were irrelevant from day 1. What did turn me off was the PGAT’s response! They have created a two (maybe three) tiered system that is impossible to follow and pretty much unwatchable. Combined with the absolutely ridiculous coverage that seems more concerned with drawing “likes” rather than informing their viewers and you end up with the worst of all worlds. Somehow I don’t believe the TopGolf crowd is going to bolster ratings. Now what interest I have left is on the majors; and I no longer plan my schedule to watch those either.

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      Bill Liebler

      6 months ago

      The split in golf and, I think, the covid golf explosion which is potentially starting to wane or at least has not translated to a pro golf following group of people is really impacting viewship and interest in the Pro game. For a while there were a lot of discussion after rounds at my club about PGA vs. LIV, LIV guys in majors, etc. Almost nothing about that now.

      Do we we see something materializing to bring the groups back together and some personalities returning? Brooks vs. Bryson was fun for 5 minutes, but what is next with no “bad boys” left in golf at the moment. Don’t see anyone on the horizon that will galvanize people to have the “that guy some hate vs. the guy some love” moment with the current tour members. The up and comers are all groomed in college to hit a mile, gouge out it, be polite, and try to make a bunch of money. But will the money hang around. Grab it while you can mentality of LIV which pushed the PGA to do the same has taken away so much of the “play for your livlihood” and trying to manufacture that w/ the ever present “that birdie took him to 49th and kicked so and so to 51st gets very old after awhile.

      My 2cents – I just love my course is much more open now on Sunday afternoons as fall arrives in NC so folks can watch football and play golf in decent weather w/ the course in great shape.

      Bill

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      Kuso

      6 months ago

      How about the inflationary economy???? The Covid crowd found something to do for that time, but once they figured out how much golf actually costs, compared to how everything has got more expensive in that same time period – people have dropped it, as well as dropped cable and viewing as they need to work or save money somewhere.

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      I miss, I miss, I make

      6 months ago

      I don’t know. These days it is harder and harder to get a tee time as the courses ( at least around here in Western Washington State) are booked dawn to dusk. People may certainly be watching less, but the courses locally are booked solid.

      Phil Mickelson

      6 months ago

      How about ego driven writers who do a half ass job reporting and bring the vibes down like the jack wagon who wrote this article being a negative for golf?

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      Kuso

      6 months ago

      Totally, there are some in the world who are Negative Switches since they were born LMAO

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      mg

      6 months ago

      Golf writers wear knee pads.

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      I miss, I miss, I make

      6 months ago

      I think it is just a question of overkill. Go back to the “Palmer Era”. Regular events were 1 hour on Saturday and Sunday. Just the “final four finishing holes”. Now with ESPN+, Golf Channel and the network you get six or more hours all four days. Good for the viewer. Watch an hour or two and call it good. Regular events should have a one or two hour highlight show for Thursday and Friday and the weekend needs no more than three hours per round. Expand the majors if you like.

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      Scott

      6 months ago

      YouTube golf has done more to grow the game than pro golf. While the PGA Tour & LIV are fighting, golf influencers are more relatable and their content is more fun to watch (don’t get my started on pro golf coverage). LIV is an inferior product, but players such as Bryson and Phil are smart to build their personal brand on YouTube/Social Media. If anything LIV has done right it’s allowing the players to strengthen their connection with fans. It’s pretty clear there’s funny business going on with the PGA Tour and meanwhile the LPGA Tour is on the rise. If the LPGA actually invested in marketing, they’d pass up men’s golf. Fans tune in to see great competition and the stories of the players. Whomever does that the best wins the fanbase. What turns fans off is the money wars.

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      Steve Wade

      6 months ago

      Who?

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      Kuso

      6 months ago

      Marketing won’t help the women’s golf – people don’t show up to women’s events and pay the tickets to even go! So how are they going to get any more noise and TV time when they don’t get the viewership to begin with?
      Focus on the economics, NOT the hype of things FFS

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      Mike

      6 months ago

      Although I like it MUCH better, the LPGA will NEVER pass men’s golf. They are sorely lacking in that male 21-49 demographic, you know, the ones that spend a (high) disproportionate % of golf sales. The LPGA demographics are women, & kids w/ their parents or grandparents. Not big golf $ spenders. And if you feel the current PGA tour has few “personalities”, the LPGA has even less, esp among the foreign players. Most golfers w/b hard-pressed to name 5 LPGA players outside of Nelly & Lexi

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      Gary

      6 months ago

      Robots. Not enough stray shots. Equipment and ball have made the game more fun to play for the average guy but watching everyone bomb it basically straight and hit towering curve less irons becomes boring. Bring back the curve to the ball would make the game fun to watch again.

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      Tom54

      6 months ago

      Good thing for me is I’d rather play golf than watch golf any day.

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      Sparky

      6 months ago

      Here here

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      Stuart

      6 months ago

      This split reminds me of motorsports several years ago. A split created CART and Indy Cars. Before the split, they were the biggest form of racing in the US. After the split NASCAR moved in as the biggest. The analogy is that the split hurt all parties and open wheel car racing in the US never recovered. Can golf survive and recover from this split?

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      Tom54

      6 months ago

      Oh yeah I remember that. I’m not an auto racing fan but I remember that it seemed like a disaster overall.

      Nick

      6 months ago

      You fail to address the elephant in the room. The television coverage is absolutely terrible. This, more than anything else is turning off the viewers. Does PGA stand for Putting Grows Apathy. Invest the money in proper coverage. The Europeans know how to do it. Invest the money there and not in pseudo big tournaments. Personalities are only seen when see every shot. Focus people.

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      MarkM

      6 months ago

      Nick, I’m a dedicated PGA/DP/LPGA Tour watcher and I agree wholeheartedly. If you watch any weekend golf (I also watch Thurs-Fri rounds) you usually get about 3-4 actual shots and 5-7 putts in between 2-3 minutes of commercials. And don’t get me started on announcers – the same cliches all day long, just telling you what you can already see, talking to/cheering on the ball after every shot (if I played in a foursome with those guys I ‘d have to tell them to shut it!) and generally making excuses for players’ bad shots. Very few have any real knowledge or insight to add to the broadcasts (and it’s worse on the LPGA).

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      Marty

      6 months ago

      The PGA Tour season is too long. Should begin in mid-March and end in Mid-September with Presidents Cup/Ryder Cup as the season end. Fields are too big…capped at 124 at most, I’d be fine with ~90. Majors should be the focus, with 2-3 other big events (Players, Memorial, Waste Management). Kill the FEDeX playoffs – it is stupid. Apply the dollars to the remainder of the tournaments and bump up the prize purses. Need a 6-8 week Australia Tour during the PGA Tour winter off-season which culminates in a tournament at Royal Melbourne. Would rather watch that than the Hawaii events. PGA Tour should stop fighting LIV and focus on the quality of their fields…get the best golfers to their tournaments at the best venues. Use LIV as a way to dump your trash…get rid of the career money exemptions and dump the Zach Johnsons and Matt Kuchars on LIV; free up space for young blood. Lastly, I would push for an off-season co-ed brand match – let golf brands assemble teams and have a big team match in early December. Team Callaway vs Team Titleist vs Team Ping vs Team TaylorMade vs Team Srixon vs Team PXG, etc. Allow other to join in – content creators, sports personalities, good celebrity golfers, etc. Teams of 6 – 2 male pros, 2 female pros, two others that use that brands equipment. Bite the bullet and go back to Doral, large population base, golf friendly, great as a destination.

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      Kuso

      6 months ago

      It’s not that long, if you think about it, since they only really play 8 months. Have you looked at the football (soccer) schedule? It’s all year.
      America has decided that its major sports need to get out of the way of each other and not overlap too much so that each of the big sports has the opportunity to make as much as money as possible when it’s that sport’s turn in the year, from the TV viewing schedule to the gambling.
      What golf needs to do is surpass all that, and revamp its schedule, throw out this old and tired calendar of being done by September to get out of the way of the NFL and baseball’s playoffs, and move one of the majors to September or October, and have the Tour Championship in November in one of the Southern states where the weather is still fair, such as in California, Arizona, Texas or Florida, etc. It’s ludicrous that golf is treated this way, that it quits playing serious Tour and majors by September! At least in the US anyway. Golf continues elsewhere in the world

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      Marty

      6 months ago

      I think you misunderstand my position. I am not saying golf should shutdown, only that the PGA Tour should shutdown by September. That opens up opportunity for other golf events to occur….especially made for social media events, and golf in Australia specifically. Pros are always saying they are tired of traveling, and that was a benefit of LIV, so let’s shorten the Tour obligations and increase other opportunities to fill the void. And in the US, football crushes everything and I don’t see that changing.

      Sparky

      6 months ago

      I like the Australian tour part , great idea , great courses !

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      Kuso

      6 months ago

      They already do Aus in the winter of the north and summer of the south.
      But that’s not the point – this is about the focus of the PGA Tour, it is being dictated by the other major sports, always have.

      Jim Shaw

      6 months ago

      Television golf may be in a decline but golf in general is stronger than ever. Is Scottie Scheffler going to move the needle like Jack did in the 60’s and Tiger in the 2000’s? No way. But there are a lot of great players to watch on the PGA tour. I am old enough to remember having to choose between Curtis Strange, Nick Faldo, Tom Watson etc, the next generation after Jack to decide who I would cheer for, so I hooked my wagon to Nick Faldo. But then Tiger came on the scene, and combined with the internet, social media and way more communication tools, the game exploded. The TV ratings will improve, and another huge needle mover will arrive, I don’t have a crystal ball but it always happens.

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      Kcbend

      6 months ago

      There seems to be a few reasons why golf viewership is down. The sooner LIV disappears the better, the players left to become greedy rich in time when a lot of people can’t afford to buy a home or make ends meet. We’ve all seen declines in pro sports when strikes happen because it makes people not want to acknowledge that athletes make so much money playing a sport when the average person can barely make ends meet. Then after some time passes we all go back to watching. Then there’s the big draw factor of there’s not one exciting charismatic player or players on the tour right now. In golf history(since it’s been televised ) there has been players who have brought excitement to the game, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus, Chi Chi Rodriguez, Lee Trevino then Tiger Woods. There were lulls in viewership between the older players and then Tiger and now after Tiger. If the PGA need viewers the they will need to add something to entice people to watch. What that is , I don’t know. But allowing liv players to come back without a huge penalty will only make people dislike golf more. I personally have loved golf for 50+yrs and sort of understand why the liv players took the money(I don’t agree with it) but I also believe that you have to live with your decisions and the consequences.

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      Kuso

      6 months ago

      LIV has nothing to do with the overall viewership being down.
      There was a report that just came out about how cable-TV viewing is down, due to people consuming pay-per-view, as in, pay-streaming-when-you-want rather than being locked into TV scheduling, as well as short-spurt social media and HIGHLIGHTS being enough for most to consume information, rather than sit there for hours watching terrible Live coverage with awful commentary jammed full of interruptive COMMERCIALS
      Comparing it to the old days before The Golf Channel even existed, you have NO CLUE what you’re talking about, people NEVER got to see any Thursday or Friday round coverage on TV, Live, EVER, because that sort of thing did not exist before TGC came along, so your perception of reality is completely WRONG. And back then, we never EVER saw the Senior Tour, or even the Women’s regular Tour events either. LIV has nothing to do with the overall viewing numbers being down. People no longer have the patience to just sit there and watch. Even if they were watching, you can see everybody around you fiddling with their phones now. And TW has nothing to do with what is happening now in the world, either, since he didn’t have social media when he existed.
      If the PGA Tour and YOUR HATE of others doesn’t change, then of course that prejudice and segregation will continue to brew this division and make matters worse, and you’re forgetting that the reason why the PGA Tour was able to create these Elevated Events, and increase the Tour Champsionship winner’s purse to $25 MILLION!!!!! is because of PIF, so you are just being the typical troll clown without a clue about what came about in the past during the Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus, Chi Chi Rodriguez, Lee Trevino era when we barely had TV coverage other than the weekend
      I feel sorry for you that even with all this technology now in the world, you don’t know how people consume entertainment in their daily lives

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      Frank F

      6 months ago

      Disagree with Dustin Johnson on the Ryder Cup team. He has no spark like you referenced in Billy, Kevin, Lucas and Keegan. Right now Matsuyama is better than Cam and Niemann . Jocks whines about not being invited to Majors and his record shows he is Golf’s Mr. Irrelevant.

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      Alan Shipnuck

      6 months ago

      I hear what you’re saying but DJ did go 5-0 at the preceding Ryder Cup and a year ago appeared to care a bit more.

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      WSinTX

      6 months ago

      We need more Alan Shipnuck. Great read.

      What happened to fire pit podcast?

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      Alan Shipnuck

      6 months ago

      ‘ppreciate that. The FPC is defunct – proud of all the content we put out but could never make the business hum.

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      RatherGolfThanWatch

      6 months ago

      A lack of charismatic Tiger Woods or other superstars in the hopper. People- even those who didn’t golf- would tune in tournaments just to watch Tiger compete.

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      Garrett

      6 months ago

      I for one have been turned off to 80% of the tournaments directly because of the LIV/PGA Tour divide and obvious greed. I only care about the majors, the large team events, and a some of the West Coast swing events.

      Sucks to not care, but what else was going to be the result of failed sportswashing?

      For the record, the sport of golf is invincible. Nothing will ever affect my love for the game itself.

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      Mike Rohmann

      6 months ago

      I could not disagree more. LIV is bound to die off but the PGA Tour and its products are strong. Players like Scheffler, McElroy, Spieth, Xander and Max all draw in great crowds. Their golf is amazing. Their lives are solid and their followings are growing. Yes there is room for improvement but overall I watch , my friend and their wives watch. Just make that idiot Greg Norman and his stupid tour go away.

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      Jeff

      6 months ago

      LiV is unsustainable, the Saudi’s will get tired of funding this joke. But the PGA Tour on the other hand is committing suicide by bucks. The concept of the elevated event is hurting the tour, they did not need to play LIV’s game, the sponsors will get tired of funding the bigger purses, and that could create a serious problem for the PGA Tour. They could have worked to increase all the purses, and keep the model where anyone any week can win, instead these special events for only the top, water down the real draw of the tour, one where merit rules, and you earn your own way.

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      Kuso

      6 months ago

      What part of “PIF injected money into the PGA Tour so that the PGA Tour was able to create the Elevated Events with bigger purses and also increase the Tour Championship purse by leaps and bounds that the winner now got $25 MILLION” don’t you understand? That is all Saudi money, the money didn’t come from the US government or its bailed out slave automakers and housing and insurance owners in the US

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      chuck ludwig

      6 months ago

      If someone records the Golf Telecast & watches at a later Day/Time, does this count toward the reported viewership numbers?

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      Richard Herilla

      6 months ago

      I am a Club Member since 1973, an avid golfer, have played at least 12 PGA Courses over the years, Met Arnie, Bruce Litzge, Jack signed a napkin for me, and have casually met several other Pros. Over the past 10 years or so, I have stopped watching Golf and haven’t been to a tournament in 20 years (I am 80 years old). Why ? There are not any Pros ( maybe 5 or 6 exceptions ) that have any personality at all. There interviews are BORING. They make too much money too easily, and the technology has allowed 200 yard 7 Irons to become commonplace. Back in the 50’s 60s and 70’s, if one was a 10 handicapper, the Pros were only 1 or 2 clubs away from our distances and we could relate to their level of play. That has all gone past. The greatest courses in the world had to be lenghtened to accommodate the new ball and club technology. Soooo, Most of us 10-15 handicappers just can’t relate to their level of play, and I will go back to my original premise…. these guys just don’t have any personality, express no joy or happiness, and therefore have made the game BORING to watch.

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      Bored by it all

      6 months ago

      Biggest mistake the PGA Tour made in all this mess was to try and create fictional personalities for certain players. It never has, and never will work, but it exposed their amateurish strategy to deal with LIV for what is. It was stupid, alienated a lot of genuine stars such as Jon Rahm, and contributed greatly to the last Ryder cup fiasco. They are reaping what they sowed.

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