Should LIV Players Be Eligible For The Ryder Cup?
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Should LIV Players Be Eligible For The Ryder Cup?

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Should LIV Players Be Eligible For The Ryder Cup?

Team golf has been one of the casualties in pro golf’s civil war.

For evidence, just look at the rosters for this week’s Presidents Cup at Royal Montreal Golf Club in Canada. The Presidents Cup—which is run by the PGA Tour—is missing at least a handful of LIV players who used to compete in the event. Bryson DeChambeau, Brooks Koepka, Cameron Smith and Joaquin Niemann would definitely add to the match if they could play.

Most golf fans don’t care too much about the Presidents Cup so missing those players isn’t anything to cry about. However, negatively impacting the Ryder Cup—an event with an illustrious, passionate history—would be worth a few tears.

We’ve already seen LIV’s existence affect the Ryder Cup. Henrik Stenson was supposed to be the European captain before he left for LIV and got the boot from the DP World Tour which runs the European Ryder Cup. Ian Poulter, Sergio Garcia, Paul Casey, Martin Kaymer, Graeme McDowell and Lee Westwood were among the defects who weren’t included in Rome. None of them were likely to play but they could have been vice-captains. All (or at least most) of them figured to be eventual captains in the future.

But for the most part, the 2023 Ryder Cup in Rome didn’t have any noticeable omissions. The U.S. team had Brooks Koepka (the only LIV player involved) and the European team wasn’t really missing any key cogs. (The American side, which is organized by the PGA of America, took a softer stance than the Europeans who had to protect their DP World Tour against LIV.)

That could change now looking ahead to the 2025 Ryder Cup. Jon Rahm and Tyrrell Hatton—fixtures on the European team—are now with LIV. Even Garcia is up to No. 22 in Data Golf’s rankings which would normally put him in contention for a spot.

Not having Rahm and Hatton would absolutely devalue the competition.

So what is going to happen here? Will LIV players be in the Ryder Cup? Should they be?

Some LIV Europeans have an eye toward eligibility

The PGA of America has already stated that all LIV players will be eligible for the American team.

“To ensure that the PGA Championship will continue to deliver the best field in golf and that the U.S. Ryder Cup team will continue to have access to the best American players, the PGA of America have determined that that LIV Golf players will be eligible for both,” the organization said in a statement.

That means DeChambeau, Koepka and other Americans on LIV can be picked. They might struggle to make the team on points but they can be selected as captain’s picks.

The other side of the equation is a lot murkier.

The European Ryder Cup team mandates that players must compete in four DP World Tour events per season in order to maintain their Tour membership, making them eligible for the squad. That is difficult for LIV players given the 14-event schedule they have to play, plus the four majors (the majors don’t count toward the DP World Tour event total).

The DP World Tour has also levied sanctions against LIV players who have competed in weeks opposing DP World Tour events. Players who have not resigned their DP World Tour membership have outstanding fines on the books.

“I’m not a big fan of the fines,” Rahm said. “I think I’ve been outspoken about that. I don’t intend to pay the fines and we keep trying to have a discussion with them about how we can make this happen.”

Rahm’s main contention with the fines is that many LIV events fall opposite of lower-tier DP World Tour events that Rahm would not have played. Among European tour events opposite LIV this year were stops in Bahrain, South Africa, Japan, China and the Czech Republic.

As a way to buy more time, Rahm, Hatton and Adrian Meronk have opted to appeal those sanctions, which temporarily allows them to compete on the DP World Tour.

The European tour said in a statement, “Jon Rahm has a pending appeal against sanctions imposed on him and in accordance with the DP World Tour’s Regulations, he is eligible to participate in the (Spanish Open) later this month.”

Those players can now enter into the four events—until an independent panel decides if they must pay the fines. The Olympics counts as one of the four tournaments so Rahm only needs three more starts.

Rahm is entered into this week’s Spanish Open, although he may not make it in time after being state-side for the birth of his third child. The Alfred Dunhill Links Championship is the following week, which Rahm also intends to play. There are enough weeks remaining to where the players could comfortably reach four DP World Tour events.

“I’ll take today as a nice little victory for me personally to know that Jon is eligible and can play his three events now,” 2025 European Ryder Cup captain Luke Donald said. “What happens in the future, I can’t tell. What happens in 15 months, I think all of us thought something more would happen.”

Will the DP World Tour intervene to prevent these players from maintaining membership? That remains to be seen.

In the absence of that, it looks like these players will be eligible next year.

However, players who have resigned their membership are still on the outside looking in. That includes Garcia, Westwood, Poulter and others who chose to avoid sanctions by resigning from the DP World Tour.

But Tour-PIF negotiations could change everything

Gears in the pro golf world machine are moving slower than once thought possible. Almost 16 months removed from the initial framework agreement between the PGA Tour and Saudi Arabia Public Investment Fund, we are still waiting for answers to how (or if) the golf world comes back together.

If there is some movement in the next year—the Ryder Cup is not until September 2025—perhaps there will be some clarity here.

The DP World Tour is aligned with the PGA Tour so it’s possible a formal agreement could provide a resolution. Namely, the DP World Tour may drop its sanctions against LIV players and allow them the freedom to play a certain number of European tour events without penalty.

That might be wishful thinking but at least officials from the Tour and PIF have been meeting.

Philosophically, I’m of the mind that the Ryder Cup eligibility shouldn’t be impacted by what tour membership a player has. The match is supposed to be the 12 best players from the U.S. against the 12 best players from Europe. It would be a travesty to sacrifice that.

However, the players who left for LIV were fully aware of the rules. They accepted money with the knowledge that they might never get into another Ryder Cup. And the DP World Tour has every right to protect itself. There have always been eligibility rules for the Ryder Cup, long before LIV existed.

It’s hard to feel sorry for any of those players—they were paid handsomely for the inconvenience—but it would also be painful to see the Ryder Cup diminished in any form.

I’m praying we get some form of truce so the Ryder Cup dodges any harm. My hope is the agreement gives LIV players a path to become eligible, even if they have to be captain’s picks.

The Presidents Cup is already an exhibition in the true sense of the word but the Ryder Cup is the exact opposite. It’s the best pure Event (with a capital ‘E’) that we have in the game. It’s the one tournament where money doesn’t matter—seeing it impacted by money-hungry golfers with no respect for history would be among the worst tragedies golf has absorbed in the past three years.

What do you think will happen? Should LIV players get to compete in team competitions?

Let me know below in the comments.

Top Photo Caption: Jon Rahm and Tyrrell Hatton are hoping to be eligible for the 2025 Ryder Cup. (GETTY IMAGES/Charlotte Tattersall)

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      Alex

      2 years ago

      Nope. Players union agreed to free agent rules. It’s akin to an NBA player taking a bag to play in another league. Players are free to do so, but don’t expect to be selected to the US Olympic team.

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      Murray Krambeer

      2 years ago

      No

      Reply

      RC

      2 years ago

      Given some of the comments on leaving for better opportunities, those against that must want every NBA/NFL/MLB player to stay with the team that drafted them. Tom Brady, how dare you leave the Patriots! The sports landscape would be a lot different with these scholars running things. Nobody better even think about changing teams! We gotta look at every investment of every sports team owner to decide whether it’s allowed for you to take his/her money. I hope people can begin to see how ludicrous and hypocritical it is to chastise players on the LIV tour.

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      Alex

      2 years ago

      Nope. Players union agreed to free agent rules. It’s akin to an NBA player taking a bag to play in another league. Players are free to do so, but don’t expect to be selected to the US Olympic team.

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      RC

      2 years ago

      Interesting the number of comments on the MONEY. Sounds like jealousy. People in every sport play for the most money, unless they’re amateurs. If you’re calling this the “American Team”, last I checked, Bryson and Brooks are Americans. If this is just a PGA event disguised as a “for our country” event, then the PGA can do whatever. I really don’t care what the Europeans do, because I’m not European. Those of you so concerned about “tradition” need to know that EVERY tradition of the PGA wasn’t a good tradition. I guess if you’re under 50, you have no clue as to some of the abhorrent traditions I’m alluding to.

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      mg

      2 years ago

      These issues would have been solved by now, but John Henry and the Fenway sports group were given a partnership with the PGA. Disastrous move as we are all seeing nothing being done. John Henry will put the nail in the coffin of pro golf.

      Reply

      John Paton

      2 years ago

      1. I don’t like LIV
      2. Totally agree with Eric but would add the Majors
      3. Getting bloody tired of the “brains trust”(term used loosely) not being able to solve the problems of a game which makes me a little concerned about the real issues current on this planet
      4. At the end of the day all these guys did was get a better job which we all do everyday and who the hell cares what Brandel thinks

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      Bill

      2 years ago

      Crazy. Brookes played in the Ryder Cup for the USA. It’s only the Europeans who haven’t used LIV players . And they didn’t need any to win the last RC.

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      Steve Wade

      2 years ago

      No way! LIV players made their decision to take the money OVER the history and legacy of the game! I could care less how good they think they are or what is owed to them. I still cannot understand how someone quits their job then whines about no longer getting the company benefits they gave up🤦‍♂️They made their choice. Now LIV with it!

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      Ron

      2 years ago

      I agree completely. They made their choice. The fact that the DP World tour will allow Euro LIV players to play events in order to qualify, taking up slots that would have gone to players who are loyal to that tour, tells me that the powers that be are clueless. Part of the “win at all costs, principles be damned” mentality.

      I will add that if/when a reconciliation happens, if LIV players are not required to pay a BIG penalty (and I’m talking about something on the order of 90% of what they took to jump, donated to a fund to ease the pressure on lower tier players as well as funding programs to REALLY grow the game) for re-entry, then those powers are just begging for it to happen again. Likely with Greg Norman at the head of it again. After all, if the penalty is token, what’s going to stop it?

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      Tim

      2 years ago

      Of course. It’s ludicrous that they aren’t playing. Jon Rahm should be leading the Euros no matter what tour he plays on.

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      One1

      2 years ago

      Hell yeah! It’s a USGA event and they have the right to include players from any tour – professional or amateur.

      Reply

      Kuso

      2 years ago

      NOT a USGA event.
      It’s a PGA of AMERICA event.
      Not the same things, those entities

      Reply

      Steve Wade

      2 years ago

      It IS NOT a USGA event. Belongs to the PgA of America

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      Robert

      2 years ago

      No! The LIV players made their choice, opting for money over tradition and they knew the consequences of their decision when they joined LIV.

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      David Scott

      2 years ago

      I couldn’t agree more.
      And if you recall Jon Rahm stated he didn’t need the money and loved the tradition of the PGA Tour. How quickly that tune changed. Let LIV do their own thing.

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      Dave

      2 years ago

      No. The greed and money continues to perpetuate the game. On both sides; LIV and PGA. LIV players want their money, play in majors, and now in historical events. PGA is so afraid of continuing to lose support to public and lose their tour, they now allow LIV players to participate.

      Kudos to DP Wotkd Tour for standing by their rules. We Americans can’t seem to do the same. Money and greed is killing the pro game. Stick to the ules PGA.

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      Kuso

      2 years ago

      Elevated Events have limited fields and bigger winner cheques than ever before with winner making $4million and Scottie won $25million for winning the Tour championship, which is $7milliob more than Rahm won for winning the LIV one.
      That money did not just come from the PGA Tour coffers, the Saudi PIF chipped in to make that happen.
      Why do you think the negotiations are going on?
      You no longer hear any of the PGA Tour players moaning about the money because their wallets got nicely fattened in the last 2 years
      🤣

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      Mike

      2 years ago

      Meanwhile, golf viewership is substantially down and given the lack of stars (excluding Scottie), personalities and rivalries on the current PGA Tour, this doesn’t show any signs of improving. If I were an advertiser I would already be looking to renegotiate my contract terms due to lower viewership levels.

      I’m not happy with my current current golf landscape. But let’s get real, if someone offered you a stupid amount of money to leave my company & join another one, 99% of people would take that offer. So why are folks so angry about LIV?

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      Malky

      2 years ago

      No way. They took the cash and ran, abandoned the tours that fed them. If they want a cup match let them have one amongst themselves. Thought it was a poor move that the American PGA allowed them to play with a selection pick if they had’nt qualified. Fair enough if they can qualify through the majors, but not on a pick. Hope the DP world tour does’nt allow this , even if it costs us the cup.

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      Shiva irons

      2 years ago

      They knew the parameters when they made their choice. Let them have the logical consequences of their behaviors. Next do I have to listen to their music choices as well?!!? Fuck’em.

      Reply

      Matt

      2 years ago

      Yes. It is the top USA vs European players. The tour should not matter.

      Reply

      Tyler Peek

      2 years ago

      Ditto

      Reply

      Steve Wade

      2 years ago

      Actually it isn’t! The Ryder Cup has AlWAYS been a competition between ORGAnIZATIONs. Currently the PGA of America and the DP World (European) Tour.

      Reply

      WSinTX

      2 years ago

      Yes. Let them play. Increase the number of captains picks on both sides. Captaincy should not be affected by tour affiliation at all.

      PGA Tour is doing nothing for the game. They’ve lost me.

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      Tyler Peek

      2 years ago

      👏🏾

      Reply

      gary

      2 years ago

      The best from USA vs the best from Europe – it shouldn’t matter what tour.

      Reply

      Dave

      2 years ago

      Never!

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      Back9Sunday

      2 years ago

      The trouble with including LIV players, on either team, is that they will be taking the places of other players who have played by ‘the rules’, some of whom will have turned down mega-buck deals to join the breakaway tour. That just doesn’t seem right. At the end of the day, a ‘principle’ is a principle. It shouldn’t become ‘flexible’ because we want to make an Event (with a capital ‘E’) as strong as possible. The LIV defectors knew the likely outcome of their choice, and they made it anyway. So, in answer to your question, until men’s golf is re-united, it’s a definite ‘No’ from me.

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      DW

      2 years ago

      “The LIV defectors knew the likely outcome of their choice, and they made it anyway.”
      ^

      EXACTLY!

      Reply

      Kuso

      2 years ago

      Elevated Events
      strong enough capitals for you?
      😂

      Reply

      Bob Greenop

      2 years ago

      No !

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      livSportswashing

      2 years ago

      No, I don’t want to see them. Scurgio, Reed etc., now of them deserve to be on these teams. They got their money from the murderous Saudis.

      Reply

      Kuso

      2 years ago

      Where do you think the increased purses on the PGA Tour came from over the last 2 years with the Elevated Events???

      Reply

      Eric

      2 years ago

      YES, and I do not like LIV whatsoever. The events are USA vs Europe and USA vs International, the tours shouldn’t matter. If they don’t want to give LIV player qualifying points fine, but if a captain wants to pick them then they should be able to.

      Reply

      Kuso

      2 years ago

      Yup

      Reply

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