What Will it Take for Golfers to Move Up a Tee Box?
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What Will it Take for Golfers to Move Up a Tee Box?

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What Will it Take for Golfers to Move Up a Tee Box?

Choosing what distance to play from is an age-old question debated on first tees everywhere. 

A select number of golfers have that choice down to a science but the rest tend to take educated guesses or assume age and gender should be the only variables involved in the decision. 

The result: a significant number of golfers play courses that are too long for their skill level. 

An already difficult game becomes even harder. A slow round becomes even slower. 

What is it about golfers that makes us so unwilling to move up a tee box? And could the rollback—set to take place in 2030 for recreational golfers—eventually be the slight push some of us need to adjust our mindset? 

Many Golfers are Gluttons for Punishment

In 2011, the United States Golf Association and PGA of America announced a joint initiative encouraging golfers to play from tees that best suited their game. 

Tee It Forward, an idea inspired by Adams Golf founder Barney Adams, launched with commercials and widespread support in the golf community. Everyone agreed, in principle, that it was a good idea. The U.S. National Golf Foundation estimates about one-third of core golfers and the majority of beginners play from a set of tees that are too long for them. That includes more than four million “serious” golfers (those who play eight or more times per year). 

Some quick math shows us why this happens. The average adult male golfer has a handicap of around 14 with a driving distance in the neighborhood of 215 yards. If that average golfer plays a 6,300-yard course—which is a pretty common “white or blue tees” offering—a typical par-3 would be 160 yards, a standard par-4 around 370 yards and a par-5 about 500 yards. 

We predict a lot of long- to mid-iron approaches in this average golfer’s future. Even that is optimistic. And what about the half of golfers who hit their drives short of 215 yards? 

This problem is arguably even worse for a large number of women golfers, beginners and other slower swingers because many courses have inadequate forward tee boxes. 

USGA research from last year shows the median forward tee yardage on an 18-hole, par-72 golf course is 4,952 yards. From that distance, the average female golfer (or an equivalent player) needs a 5-iron or more for their approach on 17 of the 18 holes

“A forward tee distance that is closer to 4,000 yards than 5,000 yards is a better fit for far more players—including the average female golfer and many others with slower swing speeds,” according to the USGA. 

This is particularly concerning when you consider that a record 3.2 million golfers played on a course for the first time in 2021 during the pandemic. Junior and female golfer participation is up. Golfers with slower swing speeds are now more than 25 percent of the world’s population of golfers, the USGA notes. 

New golfers are more likely to be retained if they are playing from an appropriate yardage. 

Despite all of this, the Tee It Forward campaign of 13 years ago struggled to gain traction. When the NGF conducted an extensive survey of core golfers in 2021, only 30 percent of players had moved forward in the past decade—and the majority of them were older golfers who were due to naturally move up a tee box as they aged. 

Of those golfers who moved forward, 80 percent said they enjoyed the game more. 

In that same broader survey of core golfers, the overwhelming majority agreed that “playing from inappropriate tees is a big problem” throughout the game and they were “open to experimenting with playing from shorter tees.” 

The reasons are pretty straightforward: it’s not fun to play bad golf, and it’s really not fun to play bad golf slowly. 

You can see the dilemma here. We all must be stubborn. 

Most golfers recognize a problem but not enough of us are doing anything about it. 

NGF and USGA research states that golfers who hit their drives 225 yards or less, on average, should be playing from a maximum of 6,000 yards. 

The game would clearly be better if we all heed that advice. 

So why isn’t everyone moving up? 

“Tee box inertia” is a Legitimate Obstacle

Every golfer has stood on the first tee of an unfamiliar course and pondered which set of tees would be best. 

The decision is just as much about culture and convenience than playability. 

There are long-standing assumptions about how men play from the “blue tees”, senior men from the “white tees” and women from “red tees” because a lot of golfers grew up with that being the expectation. 

Groups of men, seniors, women, juniors and other demographics have played golf together for a long time. Routines develop. Courses used to only have three sets of tee boxes, if that, and golfers based their decision on that. 

If golfers play the blue tees on their home course, they will generally choose the equivalent on a new course while only glancing at the yardage. And isn’t there a bond when a group of similar people share the same tee box? You talk more, compliment each other more and watch out for your partner’s tee shots more. 

A high-handicap golfer often doesn’t want to play from a tee box ahead when he or she is with a group of more experienced friends. They want to be a part of the group more than singling themselves out to move forward, even if moving forward would result in lower scores. 

All of this is understandable. Deviating from our tee box habit is inconvenient for many of us. 

That is, at the core, the tee box inertia problem. We all are used to playing a certain set of tees or a certain yardage of course—and that experience is built up over a long period of time. 

When Adams developed Tee It Forward, he said success would be a long and arduous process. He was right. 

It will take systemic change on the part of courses and golfers for moving forward to become socially acceptable. 

What Can Courses Do to Change?

The course responsibility has three main parts: adding more tee box options, taking away the stigma of those tee boxes and building shorter courses in general. 

There is a lot of progress being made on all three fronts. 

We’ve seen some courses with seven, eight or even nine tee box options if you include blends where sets of tee boxes are mixed and matched on the scorecard. 

We were looking at the scorecard for Mammoth Dunes, the David McLay Kidd layout at Sand Valley Resort in Wisconsin—there are 10 different yardage options. The tips are 6,988 yards while the shortest set of tee boxes are 4,055 yards. Mammoth Dunes, built in 2018, is one of many new courses taking this approach. 

Not every course can afford to maintain five or six tee boxes but they can all get creative in offering blends or other options. 

And the naming of those tee boxes is also changing. Blue, white and red are slowly being replaced with other colors, animal names or something else entirely. 

One of our favorites in this category is the wonderfully weird Mike Strantz-designed Tobacco Road Golf Club in Sanford, N.C. The course has tee boxes (with appropriate tee markers) named after farming tools like a ripper, disc, plow and cultivator. It’s a terrific fit for that rugged property. 

It may seem like a small idea but it takes the golfer out of their routine. It makes them think. They don’t just automatically pull up to the “blues” or whatever other set of tees that are a part of their normal play. 

It should also be noted that courses are indeed being built shorter: U.S. golf courses constructed from 2010-2020 averaged 6,652 yards—274 yards shorter than those from 1990-2010. 

While significantly fewer courses have been built over the past 10 years when compared to the boom period of the ‘90s, it’s still a positive trend that gets more golfers closer to the hole. 

One more note: better forward tee boxes—real tee boxes and not just tee markers placed in the fairway—could really help matters here. 

When the USGA surveyed 20,000 golfers and asked how they felt about playing from tee markers placed in the fairway rather than actual tee boxes, 53 percent said they had a problem with this and only 37 percent said they would be fine with it (10 percent said they didn’t know). 

Golfers want to play from actual tee boxes. 

What Can Golfers Do to Change?

All of this ultimately comes down to individual golfers educating themselves. 

Golfers have unprecedented access to launch monitors, simulators, rangefinders and other tech—it doesn’t take much to learn exactly how far you hit each club. 

So from where should you be playing? A good starting point is to identify your average 7-iron distance. Using this yardage, the USGA has developed some parameters to help people determine an appropriate set of tees. 

If you hit your 7-iron 170 yards or more—and a lot of us are jealous if you do—your best course length is in the 6,700-6,900-yard range. There is obviously some variance with elite players but they are not referring to tour players or the game’s top amateurs here. 

If your 7-iron is around 155 yards, which is a wide swath of players, 6,400-6,600 yards is appropriate. But once you go down to 140 yards or so with your 7-iron, the best yardage would be 5,900-6,100 yards. 

This is an important note here. Despite those two 7-iron distances being just 15 yards apart, the appropriate total course distance changes by 500 yards. 

You can see on the chart above just how much the target yardage changes based on average 7-iron distance. Every golfer—especially new golfers—should be educated on this. 

What does this really mean? The USGA says playing from the “Best Tees”, as they call it, will allow golfers to shoot lower scores and carry a handicap that is a more accurate representation of their skill level. 

Will the rollback help push us all a little closer?

There is an interesting discussion being had about what effect the rollback will have on recreational golfers. 

We’re still figuring out exactly how much distance will be lost. It is obvious that faster swingers will lose more yardage on a relative scale—but the average golfer might only see a few yards coming off their longest shots. 

Will it be a noticeable difference or will the golf world hardly recognize a change when the rollback comes into play for all golfers six years from now? 

We have a feeling that a lot of golfers will move forward—at least slightly—no matter what. 

It seems like a natural thought to say, “I’m getting a little older and the ball is going a little shorter so maybe it’s time to reconsider where I’m playing from.” 

Only time will tell on this one. It could be a positive effect of the rollback if the impact of moving forward is greater than the impact of shorter hitting distances. 

Do You Feel You Play From the Appropriate Set of Tees?

We want to hear from you. 

First off, what is your skill level and from what yardage do you usually play? 

Do you believe there are too many golfers playing courses that are too long for them? Or is it less of a problem in your eyes? 

What is the best solution to get golfers moving up a tee box? Will the rollback make any impact? 

Let us know below in the comments. 

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      Jon Eidukas

      7 months ago

      While it might add to costs (getting custom tee markers), I am a big fan of labeling tee boxes not with color, but with unique “things” specific to the course (like you mention for Tobacco Road). Out by us, The Club at Snoqualmie Ridge out by us does a similar thing (the back tees are “Mt Si” (the local mountain), the most forward tees are “Three Trees”, with other unique images for the other tee boxes). That way, people have to look at the distances (the courses guidance is based on driver distance) and determine which of the five boxes make sense.

      The days of “Ladies Tees, Senior Tees, etc.” has passed–let’s move forward with something more interesting!

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      Alex

      2 years ago

      2 thoughts:

      1. We recently hosted a PGA club pro senior tournament. We have some great players in our section. The age 50-59 (all talented male professionals) played about 6500. The age 60-69 played 6000-6100. Age 70-79 played 5700. Our male senior Amateurs play longer tees than this as a general rule. Most of the better seniors should be in the 6000 range.

      2. For short hitting women players, they rarely use their irons. Base their distance off how they hit a 5 hybrid or 7-wood. 3500-3700 is pretty darn short, and not every level of player should reach all greens in regulation.

      3. For ladies day events, allow players of different abilities to play different tees, and adjust HDCP accordingly. The events tend to be played very short, and it’s not fun for the better players, some of whom drive it in that 225 range.

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      John McCullough

      2 years ago

      Use the handicap system, CR and slope and adjust your par and lower your expectations. If you want to really stop people from playing the tips, don’t have any. I’m from Texas, but play and live in Germany. Most clubs only have 2 sets of tees, and they are based on Gender. They are pretty much at distances where the Course Rating matches the par of the course. And we still get around in foursomes in under 4 hours walking.

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      Garry Baldwin

      2 years ago

      Do you calculate your 7i on carry or total distance??

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      Len

      2 years ago

      I’m a couple of month shy of 70, our groups play a hybrid type of tees, we play the whites on par 3 & 5’s and the senior tees for the par 4’s. This gives us roughly 6000 yds at our 2 home courses.

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      oldguy819

      2 years ago

      As a player for 60+ years, I have gone through most scenarios pertaining to the length off the box arguments. I have 2 thoughts that I deal with in reality. ONE) If I’m playing an unfamiliar course, I know that I’m most comfortable playing at 6,000 to 6,200 yards so I look for those tee boxes. I think that would be the reason a lot of course are going to “Combination” tee boxes. TWO) On my home course with my dozen of so buddies, I moved up BECAUSE my drives now equal their distances thereby making it a lot more competitive when playing skins or DOTS. My quest is two fold. I want to have fun AND I want to be competitive FAIRLY. I win some. I lose some.

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      Livininparadise

      2 years ago

      Funny, all of these people talking about ego making people play the tips. At the course I work at, almost nobody plays the tips and the tips are only 6550. I find too many people play the course too short.

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      Tom

      2 years ago

      Moving up and scoring better has renewed my interest in the game. At the age of 83 however, I often find myself standing alone on the side waiting for my playing partners to tee from the back tees. Not inclined to walk up to their tees and then walk out to my mine. Kind of loses the banter that occurs on the tee box. But I guess that’s my problem. All in all I enjoy shooting my age more often than not.

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      Jim Butler

      2 years ago

      I am 81. I live in a community with 3 golf courses. Almost everyone-men and women- play. Standard men’s tee is green, red for ladies. I hit my drive 240. I was so tired of hitting 3 woods all day I was ready to quit. Then the golf pros added purple tees short of the red .WOW. Now on a good day I could shoot my age. I am in love with golf again. I pity the ego-driven guys who are still trying to break 100 from the green tees.

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      JSilva

      2 years ago

      I think one word sums it up for the most part, ego. I’m 67 and I’ve been playing golf since I was 14. I’ve played from the blues and have moved forward as I’ve aged and lost distance, there’s no shame in that, it’s nature. In pro golf there’s a senior tour and at one time, a super senior tour (how many remember that?)… again, nature. My usual foursome has a blue tee box player, two white tee box players and me, the gold tee player. We play swiftly, have fun, give each other the business constantly, and we have really good matches because we’re all pretty good golfers that are playing from the proper tees, hence it’s a fair match for all of us. Golf is meant to be fun, enjoy it! IMHO, more tee boxes, give them names instead of colors. An easy yardage formula I follow is multiply your average 5 iron/hybrid yardage by 36 and you’ll have a good yardage to play from. If you’ve read this far, thanks for your time.

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      Ted

      1 year ago

      I’m 64 just started playing senior tees 2rds this yr 90 1st rd 81 2nd looking forward to scoring well….5400 yds Lil too short .Hit my 5i 165 that equates tp 5900 👍

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      Golf traveller

      2 years ago

      Whole many courses are offering more combo tees there are still several that the forward tees are still too long for the people playing them. 5200 – 5300 yards is too much for the average female or senior male who doesn’t have the distance anymore. These courses need to build more tee boxed to give them a shorter yardage and combo set.

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      MuskokaRex

      2 years ago

      I generally play a hybrid type setup at most courses. Play the tees that give me the most enjoyment, after all isn’t that what we are supposed to be doing when we play?

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      Joe

      2 years ago

      In the 60 years of playing golf I was one that would want to play the longer distances and therefore played the tips. I had the game and a single digit handicap to support the distance. In my 50’s I was not getting the distance off the tee and moved up to the “blues”. I still maintained my handicap and was not struggling off the tee for distance. As I have gotten older I have moved up in a progressive manner until I play at approx 6000 yards. I still maintain my handicap but more importantly still have fun. That’s not to say I would love to still play a tee or two back but realization sets in that my skills are still there but the distance has faded.

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      Javier

      2 years ago

      If you can get your group to play this game, start at the middle tee, white for most of us, play the hole, if you make par you stay on that tee for the next hole, birdie you go back a tee, bogey you move forward. This game has many benefits, it can break the monotony of playing the same course, it can help you sharpen all skills, if you keep track of the tee you played most should be the appropriate tee for you. But it’s not as much fun unless you’re group buys off on playing together, let the ribbing begin.

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      Muskokarex

      2 years ago

      Like it. I generally play a hybrid type setup at most courses. Play the tees that give me the most enjoyment, after all isn’t that what we are supposed to be doing when we play?

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      Golf traveller

      2 years ago

      A good idea, unless you are entering a score for handicap purposes.

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      Livininparadise

      2 years ago

      If your group likes that, then fine. But what does that prove? Hard to play closest to the pin when the group is playing a skittles box of tees. Plus, the score won’t count for handicap purposes.

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      B.A. Needham

      2 years ago

      You hit the nail on the head here! I’m a 16 handicap, 61 year old female golfer. I’ve been as low as an 11 handicap in my prime, but after shoulder surgery and aging I don’t hit any of my clubs as far as I used to. I’ve always played from the forward tees and I’m becoming very frustrated as I’m not able to reach many greens in regulation any longer. I HAVE NO WHERE ELSE to go! Our courses are roughly 5200 yards long from the forward tees. I’d love to see some legitimate combo tees in our courses but our club refuses to spend the money to build more tee boxes. They would put markers in the fairway possibly. The most fun I’ve had playing golf was when I played in a tournament at a club in Louisiana and the forward tee boxes played 4800 yards. Please help accommodate us senior women!!!

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      Livininparadise

      2 years ago

      I agree. Almost all women need shorter tees. Most course “par” for women is around 80 or so. More tee boxes are needed for sure

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      Al

      2 years ago

      I am a starter at two premier courses in the Las Vegas Area. I do not recommend tips for anyone. I usually ask what length of course they guests play at home. I not only offer what is on the card but also combinations. Both courses go from 5000 forward tees to just about 7,000 for tips. My recommendations are usually for men 6,000 to 6,400 and the 6,600 for players with handicaps 9 or below or for people who hit their driver according to them over 250 carry. After that discussion I let them know how tight the course is and ask if they can hit 20 to 30 yard wide fairways with those distances. If not I always move toward the shortest I can get them to play.

      When I am a marshall and I find slower groups, I follow one or two holes and recommend that they move up if they are struggling with the distance and direction of their drives.

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      Nick

      2 years ago

      I play golf with my family. There is a range of ages, distances, and abilities. Father hits it 200, Uncle hits it 250 brother and I hit it 270 (175 7i), mother and aunt hit it 150.

      That makes a particular challenge selecting tees. At the end of the day, we would all rather play together than separate – and Id rather hurry pops along in the fairway while I enjoy my beer (not sure how he feels about that). We always play about 6,400 yards for us guys and whatever the most forward is for the ladies. Makes it more enjoyable as en experience (and speeds up play if your big hitters are low handicaps- we can hit our approach before someone else is even done hacking up their 3rd shot)

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      Hateslowplay

      2 years ago

      As a Starter I explain our course yardages and based on their reported handicap, which tees they might have the most fun playing from. My standard line is “you don’t want to always be hitting 180 in on your second shot (par 4’s). As a Course Marshall, my usual line is “I want you to have fun, but I want everyone behind you to have fun also!”

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      Scott Dean

      2 years ago

      Change the word “but” in your line to “and”. You will get a more positive reaction. Make the line “I want you to have a good time, and I want everyone behind you to have a good time also”. Keep up the good work. I know being a marshal on the course has got to be a thankless job.

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      Craig Brown

      2 years ago

      I am 74.5 years old. My average drive is about 215 yds. I like to play 6,000 yard tees whenever possible which are very comfortable. If conditions are wet, i. e., not much roll, I will move up to 5,500 yard tees. When available, I like to play combo tees which allow my friends and I to play from the same tees several time a round. NOTE: Most of my friends are older and like the 5,000-5,300 yard tees.

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      Golfgirl8350

      2 years ago

      I’m a 73 year old woman with a 17 handicap, with drives 185-200 yards.. Most women I play with hit, at best, 150 yards off the tee. Their handicaps are in the mid-20s and up, so scores almost never break 100. It’s not that they lack skills, they just can’t hit far enough to reach greens in regulation. We all play forward tees but in my area the average yardage for them is 5100-5300 yards. That’s way too long. Some courses have added tees in the 4400-4600 yard range but often they are barely tended to and placed in ridiculous areas. Golf courses need to adjust and provide tee boxes to make the game enjoyable for shorter hitters. And for Pete’s sake, dump the traditional red, white and blue naming scheme.

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      ROB PERSON

      2 years ago

      High handicapper, over 50, new to golf (under 2 years)
      3 courses local to me have 3 different rules, and tee boxes setup differently for each.
      Course 1 is the traditional 4 tee boxes (B, Wh, Y, R) and has no guide for handicap or distances.
      Course 2 is a play from handicap guide, B Wh Y R G (green is for junior or extreme seniors)
      Course 3 recently changed from handicap to yardage guides, and has 6 sets of tees. B Wh Teal Orange Y R. It has a chart listed at hole 1 displaying box/yardage guide.
      Most of the people I play with refuse to play anything other than W tees, regardless of skill, due to old ways of thinking (I was introduced into golf this way, and had no clue otherwise)
      What is never mentioned is, where is the threshold to move back a tee?. Is it for driving distance? Is it off handicap? and if so what is the magic #?
      I now play from the Yellow or Teal tee, as it matches my driving distance. But even if I move back to a Wh tee, long par 3 holes cause me struggle as I have limited distance with a 6i or 7i. And my 7w averages 145_150 yards at full tilt.

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      Jim Chandler

      2 years ago

      Yes, it does get frustrating when the play is going fine, and then the lineup at the tee boxes on the back side. My wife and I play golf and have moved to the appropriate tees that make it fun. Playing in the northeast, we move one more tee forward to accommodate the loss of distance due to the temperature. The USGA GHINN app gives us the handicap for these, and since it is out of the season to post, we have fun. She still beats me. (3 strokes a side) lol

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      Gregory Hanson

      2 years ago

      I am a senior golfer (76 yrs). Used to play the tips (just under 6400 yds) and was a single digit hdcp until my 70th b-day. When we turned 60, the tips just got to be too long and we (reluctantly) moved up to the “regular (white)” tees (approx 6000 yds). We discovered it was more fun and stayed there until we turned 70. We have a regular Tues/Sat pot game and that was the “rule” (that you could move up when you turned 70). It wasn’t nearly as difficult to move up to the “senior” tees (approx. 5600 yds) and we found we were enjoying the game even more. At that point, we told players “pick a set of tees and stick with it”. Several of our group that were under 70 also chose to move up to the gold tees (senior tees) at that point. We found that we were having more fun than before. In our pot game, we have scratch players who play the tips (and it’s still too short for them), white (regular) tee players, and senior (gold) tee players, all competing with each other from different tees, and having fun and enjoying each others’ company. We use a modified Stableford scoring system that adjust up and down based on how well you play on a particular day. Since we have gone to that format, the number of participants in our pot game has at least tripled and more are expressing interest as we move forward. We have not heard any ‘noise’ about people playing from the shorter tees having an advantage. Using the different sets of tees in the same game has been a great move. The game is more fun for all of us.

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      Vito

      2 years ago

      I play to the conditions. Spring and late fall I move up to 5500-5800 yd tees since my drives won’t carry quite as far or roll out hardly at all. Summer I’ll move back to 6000-6200 since I’ll get 15-25 more yards on my drives. I’m about a 9 based on total rounds for the year. I’ve actually shot my best rounds from the longer tees since the up tees seem to bring more trouble in to play.

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      Zebhead47

      2 years ago

      “Thirteen years on the driving range and you still think this game is about your testosterone count.” – David Simms, Tin Cup. That sums up a lot of the “play it forward” issue. Every week I see the group of golf studs on the blue tees and watch them snap hook their 150 yard drives and shoot 95. The pros only hit the fairway about 47% of the time and GIR’s in the 70’s. It’s all about the up and downs from 50 yards in, yet many think it’s about bombing that 300 yard drive…somewhere. Now, on the flip side many courses were never really designed for the most forward tees and you end up with funky tee box placements and out of place hazards that require other tee shots besides drivers. I live on a course where the front side is sort of tight and not that long…there are no par5’s. There are only 2 holes that actually require a driver, but everyone lights theirs up on every 4 and we end up with lots of houses hit and OB’s. As Booby Jones said golf is a game played on a 5-1/2 inch course…between your ears. It’s that 5-1/2 inch course and the testosterone that keeps many from playing their more appropriate tee box. But as my friends have gotten older and moved forward with regret and some embarrassment, I’ve never seen any move back. Life is good when you’re not hitting longer irons to the green all day long.

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      Rockstar_Leo

      2 years ago

      I find many of the supposed solutions try to fight the notions that players are familiar with, and that is where they fail. And the formula stuff is too complex for amateurs and disregards the course’s difficulty, which is not just a factor of length.

      Golf already has a standard perception for tee boxes:
      Black = Pros
      Blue = Single-digits / long hitters
      White = Standard men’s
      Yellow = Seniors
      Red = Standard ladies’

      Instead of fighting it, courses can just make sure they have appropriate distances for all of these groups. In most cases that would be around 6000y for whites, 5200 for yellow, 4400 for red. But it can be shorter to account for narrow holes, target-style holes, uphill shots, or just plain fun factor of holes for the intended players.

      I can think of 3 local courses here that have slightly shorter than average lengths for most colors, with blues around 6100, whites around 5700, and reds around 4400. What do all these courses have in common? Everyone thinks they are fun to play. Coincidence? I think not.

      And yes, I think the solution is 100% in the hands of courses. Just like slow play, players won’t improve on their own, but as course, you can setup that improvement, plain and simple.

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      Jeff

      2 years ago

      I’m 74 years young with an 9.0 index and play with friends who are 63, 75 & 78. We play from the white tees because most of the courses we play don’t have “senior tees”or yardages around 5600. Our buddy who is 78 can’t handle 6,000 yards but he won’t play from the “ladies” tees. I can see the frustration in everyone because of the scores we post & you’re correct we need to play it forward

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      Bob Greenop

      2 years ago

      I am 74 and a 7 Hdcp. In 2023 I started playing Super Senior Tees according to the USGA. Most forward tees on the course, Ladies on my course. My wife now plays according to the distance suggested in an article based on Arcos data. I hit my 7 iron 140, she does 100. She now tees up in the fairway based on the suggested finances gor 3 4 ot par 5 and we are enjoying the game again.

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      Tom - Moose

      2 years ago

      Tom here.
      Skill Level: Suck at golf (21+ index)
      Yardage played: 5,200 to 6,200 depending on weather conditions and level of aches and pains (body really messed up with arthritis, MS, and Type 1 diabetes that messes with me sometimes.)
      Age: Turn 60 this year.

      I use the Shot Scope device and have a driver average of 190 (good days) and 7 iron of 125 yards.

      I am a member of a group of golfers that started playing in 1968 (and yes, one or two of the originals are still members.) A couple of years ago I proposed the Tee It Forward idea. It got a cold shoulder. HOWEVER, when I proposed it last year (with the explanation of how easy it is to calculate course haircap based on index) most all jump on the idea (even a few newbies.) To a person, all agreed they had more fun and had a more enjoyable round AND quicker rounds. While I tried to pair foursomes by tee boxes, it wasn’t always possible. But no one complained or felt in was a negative impact with people in group playing form different boxes.

      Last comment. I have no idea why gender plays any role in tee box selection (or club selection honestly.) Golf is a skill level game not a reproductive organ game. I agree that the easiest way to get people to pick the most appropriate tee box is to get rid of colors and use bird names, boat/ship type, or anything else that makes people think.

      T

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      CA Mediocre Golfer

      2 years ago

      I’m a 16 handicap and typically play the whites 6200 yards at my club (private). We have a gold option (5800) and red (5500). I’ve moved up before and it really changes the course making too many par 4’s and 5’s a non-driver t shot which I don’t like. I find there are 2 groups that I play with:
      1) really good sub-5 handicappers who literally don’t care where I play from and they play our blues. It’s great to play with them.
      2) the 8-14 handicappers who almost always play blues and tend to give you crap for saying “I’m going to play whites”. They’re frustrating to play with.
      I think it comes down to the person who thinks they’re quite good (the 8-14) who has the traditional mindset of cocky/macho and would likely benefit from moving up to white vs. those who are really good low single digits who just want you to keep pace and really don’t care where you play from.

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      Guillermo

      2 years ago

      I was shocked that the author of the article didn’t mention the Long Leaf Tee System. The USGA also has a newer system based off 7i distance. Here is a link to learn about Long-Leaf.
      https://www.longleafteesystem.com/#our-purpose

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      Phil McD

      2 years ago

      63, 12 index. Saw some advice “if you don’t have a legitimate chance to be on a par 5 in 2 every once in a while, move up a set of tees.” I also like the 7 iron measurement method. Anyway, I moved up a set of tees and the high 80’s from the “whites” becomes flirting with breaking 80 from the “golds”. THAT revs you up! Still play the occasional round from the whites and if playing with my 83 yr old golfing friend, we both play from his preferred tee box. There’s no cash (no more than $10) or green jackets involved in my golf world… go play and have fun!

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      Allan C

      2 years ago

      I’m 53, a 2.9 index. and I play tees that are 6600 yards. I played our gold (6200) and red(6000) tees recently, and shot even 72 both times. It was fun. But my handicap went up more than half a stroke. I don’t want to move up a tee box because it makes the game too easy for me.

      Golf is a hard game, and it isn’t for everyone. Sometimes I wish all the folks who decided to give golf a try during the pandemic would go back to doing whatever they were doing before 2020. There’d be less concern about whether a bro sipping a Truly was playing a course too long for him.

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      Keieth R

      2 years ago

      As a 70 year old senior, I can play to 6200-6500 yrs courses but it put tremendous stress on my less than adequate FW wood and long hybrids. I don’t hit many GIRS. I can still score in the upper 80’s/low 90’s if the short game bails me out. I find it more enjoyable playing 5700-6000 yard links, where I can play GIRs more easily. And round progresses much quicker when I do.

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      MCDC fan

      2 years ago

      I am with you on this. Even though I can hit my drives on average of 240 yds (used to be longer, but age is finally catching up to me) I have always played from the standard “white” tees which usually go 6000 yds give or take. Why? Because I am out there for fun and if I play from the “blue” tees there are going to be far too many 400+yd holes and that means a long iron or a hybrid on my second shot IF I hit my average drive. I have seen far shorter hitters hit from the “blue” tees and slow the whole course down because it takes them so long to play the longer holes.

      It also irks me that so many courses do not have more forward tees. They all need a “yellow” or senior tee set between there and the normal “red” ladies tees. And too many courses do not give the average women enough advantage on those “red” tees. 25% shorter than the “white” distance should be the rule of thumb. I play a lot with my wife and the “red” tee distance does affect what courses we play. If we see 4900 yds from the “red” tees we find a different course. And all courses should have a “green” junior tee as well to encourage younger players to play the game.

      I get using driving distance as a criteria for what tee to play, but also your score/handicap should be a factor. If you cannot consistently break 80 from the “blue” tees you need to move forward.

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      Dr Tee

      2 years ago

      Recommend a tee box by score: Blue-under 75 to 80, White-80 to 90, Gold-90 to 100, Red-100+. Has been shown that using this, when “suggested” by starter, can reduce round play times by 15 min
      Or–use carry distance of 7 iron to recommend which tee to use
      Finally, get rid of demeaning labels-“womens tee”, “seniors” tee. etc

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      Tim

      2 years ago

      Great article. I’m 50, 12 index. Arccos average is 234 driver and 149 7-iron. I play the whites at 6061 yards. I get paired with guys all the time who play the blues without even thinking about it, and it’s way too long for their skill level. I think courses ought to have players hit driver on a launch monitor before they tee off and they can only play tees based on the distance they hit it.

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      MCDC fan

      2 years ago

      I have thought the same thing about the launch monitor. I hit it longer with my driver but my 150 club is my 6 iron. That keeps me at the white tees.

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      Steve Barrett

      2 years ago

      68 here. 8 index. Driver is 230, 7 iron 150. Play 6100-6400 at 2500 ft elevation. Work at golf store-you do not hit it as far as you think! Most overestimate drive by 40, 7 iron by 20

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      Sharon’s

      2 years ago

      I’m an 88 yr old woman that golfs 3 time a week and I have been playing from the shorter executive tee box for 2years…it has made the game more fun, I can keep up with the gals that hit further from the red tee box…My handicap has gone down a bit and it’s still a challenge to hit to it…the mens club here require the men when they reach 80 to use the executive I guess to speed up play…hmmm doesn’t seem to help!

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      Livininparadise

      2 years ago

      I will be 60 this year and I am currently a 3.4 index. I still hit the ball a good distance off the tee, 270 + and hit my 7 iron ~ 175. I like a course around 6600 to 6700 yards. I do appreciate the ability to hit different clubs into the green.

      I think having blended and / or increased tee box options is the best way to eliminate the stigma of playing the “up” tees. I think people can justify in their own heads playing a shorter course if some of the holes play longer. It also allows people to not feel bad moving up if the longer hitters are moving up on some holes.

      In our group, for years now, we have strongly encouraged people to move up tee boxes. There are a few longer players that like playing a short course because they feel better about posting a better score. So we do give those guys a hard time.

      Courses need to do more for women players. Most courses my wife plays is like a par 80.

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      Wayne

      2 years ago

      One of the other issues that I did not see mentioned, was the “newbie” golfer who comes to play and has trouble making contact, plowing up more fairways than a tractor.

      When asked if they have taken any lessons, the majority said no.

      Those players quickly realize they are out of their element and there’s another slowdown on the course.

      I realize course owners need the traffic for profitability, so how do you convince these players to seek lessons before trying again?

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      CryptoDog

      2 years ago

      I would hand them the Rules of Golf book lmao

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      Keith

      2 years ago

      As a new male golfer I would absolutely love to play from the forward tees. The problem is that ALL courses in my area specifically label them as being for women only so I play from the men’s tees until they label them as beginners tees or simply forward tees.

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      Tom Terrific

      2 years ago

      OK Guys, I am 77 and live at 7600′ elevation in New Mexico, we play all year round here in the Southern Rockies, at our altitudes, especially in the winter season when the ground is frozen, I will often get a 240-yard drive. When ever the 6 year “Roll-back” on ball flight comes I predict a lot of used balls will be hoarded, add 6 years to 77 and if I am still playing good golf, like my 8 GHIN now the guidelines are not just an ego trip, they will largely be due to a lot more factors for us than the speed of play. How will this be addressed in terms of age, swing speed, skill and natural factors? That is a lot of moving parts to digest and come up with some resemblance of “fairness” let alone ego…Just Sayin…?

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      NormS

      2 years ago

      Great article on a very timely subject with lots of moving pieces. For me, as I get older (74) and skills diminish / handicap goes up I have no problem moving up. However, many clubs, including mine, have an “combination age/handicap” limit , typically 90, before you can move up. Then, if you meet this requirement and play in tournaments, you get dinged two shots because of the presumed advantage of forward tees.. still can’t figure out that rationale. If you are a 10 from the forward tees and have posted scores to back it up why should you be penalized? Seems to me many would all have more fun and be more competitive by moving up. Ego and watching the tour pros who play a different game seem to influence tee selections..

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      Ned

      2 years ago

      For me 81 years old I can totally agree. I play the senior tees and sometimes that is a stretch. When it becomes no fun I will move to the forward tees. I believe all courses should have a set of junior/super senior tees. The golf sim software I play on has it and it’s great for folks like my wife 75 who hits a drive maybe 100 yards. These tees range in about 3500 yards. I mean at a muni like mine what would a set of tees cost basically a set of tee markers on each hole. There are some of the forward tees that are just that set of tee marker in the fairway. We all want to make this great game fun.

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      Ned

      2 years ago

      Just a follow up there are a lot of golfers who totally over estimate the length they hit their clubs. Everyone should get on some type of monitor to get the actual length they hit their shots.

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      Mike

      2 years ago

      My tee box “rule of thumb” is if you can’t break 90 on the tees you’re hitting from, move up. Years ago I played the 6500 yd tees but as I’ve aged, I’ve moved down to the 6150 tees. In fact, that’s about the longest yardage I’ll play these days. Much, much, more fun. I laugh when I see guys hitting long irons into every par 4 & then complain how the course was hard. It’s all ego, folks.

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      CryptoDog

      2 years ago

      You’re not going to get the belligerent egotistical golfers who say “I paid what I paid so I’m going to play the tees I want to play” because that’s the attitude of those who have that belief

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      leaveitalone

      2 years ago

      Playing from the wrong tees is no ones business. Play where you like. Just dont hold the group up behind you. See how easy that is?

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      Jason S

      2 years ago

      The home courses here are maxed out at about 6500 for 2 of them and about 6200 for the other 3. I don’t play from those even though the 5-iron calculation (distance x36) and the 7-iron calculations above show that’s about my correct total course yardage. I play around 5800-6000 currently at a 20 handicap and that’s about right for my current level, since my iron game is my biggest struggle.
      The biggest problem is the courses take very little if any responsibility of sending golfers out on the correct tee boxes. They just take your money, stack tee times at 8 minutes or less, and just send you out with no regards to anything other than the bottom line. Until the PGA of A steps up and provides every course a set of rules on tee boxes and distances and sends people out to ensure proper compliance, nothing will change. Male golfers under the age of about 40-45 are ruled by ego and entitlement. They play whatever distances the want because they paid to be there and that’s what they want to do regardless of any rules of golf or etiquette.
      When you sign up to play, whether over the phone or via the web, a question that should be asked of everyone is either what is their handicap or what is their 7-iron distance. Then when they come to play, the starter tells them what tees to go to which is not up for debate. I think once people are pushed to play the appropriate tees and they find they enjoy the game more and score better, they may start moving to the right tees on their own. Maybe.

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      LexPaul

      2 years ago

      Tee box assignment should be related to handicap index. I see men playing from the blues often and they don’t have the skill level for this. Golf courses need to move the tee markers up to make speed of play and course difficulty more manageable. It really gripes me to have a 180 yard approach shot on 3 or 4 holes per round. I rarely have a wedge shot in. I’m a 10 handicap and hit my 7 iron 140.

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      John O

      2 years ago

      The further back you play – the more you pay ….

      Try that for a while. And airlines should charge by the pound.

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      CK936

      2 years ago

      THIS RIGHT HERE! John O is spot on, for both.

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      MarkM

      2 years ago

      I am no longer a young golfer but still hit the ball a good ways (7-iron 170+ at altitude) so don’t play the back anymore but still like to keep it so I’m not hitting wedges on every hole.
      I truly don’t think the majority of “average” players, which I’m assuming we’re talking 20+ hcp range, have any idea what tees they should play from. They just play wherever their buddies are teeing off.
      And I’ve never seen one course which has posted a chart like the 7-iron distance chart above or one with avg drive numbers as it relates to the best suited tee box for those distances. Put one in the clubhouse where everyone will see it, on your scorecard and at the first tee. Maybe it will steer people to a more fun and quicker round of golf.

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      Charles Jenkins

      2 years ago

      I am 79, hit 170 yard drives and am having fun shooting in the low 80s from forward tees on a 5000 yard course. Handicap is 9 from those tees so I don’t win much money but it’s a lot more fun hitting short or medium irons into a green than woods. Move up and enjoy .

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      Ned

      2 years ago

      Amen same here.

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      Tom Janson

      2 years ago

      Wish the courses I play had 5000 yards. Probably drop my handicap 10 strokes!

      CryptoDog

      2 years ago

      GOLF LICENSE.
      Like they do in Germany.
      You should have to pass a basic playing and written test, and then hold an actual Index to play, as a LAW.
      So then you play according to your index.
      Lower the cost of getting and having a handicap, no need to belong to a club, but make it $10 a year just to have an official one in the World Handicap System, that anybody can and MUST have to play.
      After all, it is a game of integrity, and honesty, playing by the Rules etc that you advertise those things with those kids in the TV commercials, don’t you? You don’t have fat lager louts driving their carts all over the course through bushes, over massive humps and crashing into the lake in those commercials, do you, as representative of golfers, right?

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      Jimmy

      2 years ago

      The tradeoff for licenses is likely drastically lower participation. There are almost twice as many courses in my home state (FL) than the entirety of Germany for 1/4 of the population. I’ll take slightly slower rounds if it means 8x the course options 100 times out of 100.

      There’s a simpler solution to the slow play issue for those who are bothered enough to do something about it. Wake up earlier.

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      CryptoDog

      2 years ago

      What does waking up earlier do, if high-end places are charging upwards of $300, $400, even $500 at say the Trump courses. People are always going to look for discounts and one of those is to play twilight.
      And, plenty of hackers also tee off wicked early just because they want to get a round in before work, and they often end up setting the pace for the rest of the day at the place

      Kurt Weingand

      2 years ago

      Nice article. The key is education and trial. Golfers need to be encouraged to try Tee It Forward guidelines based on their total distance with their driver. When following the guideline, I hit more greens in regulation, have more scoring (birdie) opportunities, and enjoy playing the game more. If you record your scores and tee boxes accurately in GHIN, the result is a most accurate calculation of your handicap index. These are all positive upsides. If you are not playing competitively in a tournament or betting for money, it doesn’t really matter! Even if you are playing competitively, the course handicap used for a specific tee box is adjusted appropriately, i.e. if you move up to a shorter tee box, you get fewer handicap strokes. The key is education and awareness at golf courses of the accurate tee box yardages and specific course handicaps for each tee box. Men need to get over their egos and learn to enjoy the game more often.

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      Adam Burton

      2 years ago

      I believe that we may actually need less options, but leave some tee boxes vacant….. Do NOT put a set of tees on the back deck. Only through a rotational basis. If you remove the tees, you remove the desire to play there. 3 sets of tees for most courses will work. Also, leaving a box without tees helps health nd growth of the grass. It simplifies where you should play. A course with 6+ tees is actually confusing for some I’m sure. They’re unaware of what they should play.

      But less tees is the options and leaving tee boxes empty prevents players from even choosing that box/that length.

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      Morse

      2 years ago

      This is also an issue of common courtesy. How many of us have paid decent money to play a pretty decent course, had an afternoon tee time, and failed to finish due to darkness after close to five hours of play? The issue, almost always, is groups of guys who feel that they all need to hit from the blue tees, even though they are spraying the ball all over the course, failing to carry hazards, etc.

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      CryptoDog

      2 years ago

      America has no common courtesy, if you noticed. It’s about making money, and so the course owners will never say anything to anybody because they don’t want to lose players or the players’ desire to spend money at their club buying goodies, drinks and food. That’s why most reviews everywhere complain about how the marshals don’t do anything, because those marshals are not there to push people or to force people to play by the rules, they are mostly there for the club as a service person, for broken carts and emergencies, and then may be bring out drinks to them LMAO

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      Mike

      2 years ago

      Bro, I’ve traveled around the world & many of countries besides America don’t have common courtesy.

      I’ve played on many courses, never have seen rangers bring drinks out. Most courses do not empower the ranges to do anything. Also, It’s not that frequent where one group holds up an entire course. Rather, it’s a combination of factors, including, as the article points out, many people playing from the wrong tees. In addition, not being ready to hit, not being ready to put, looking for lost balls, etc. Everyone complains about slow play yet once folks get out on the course, amnesia sets in.

      Will

      2 years ago

      I’ve never been stuck behind a group and thought starting from the wrong tee box was their issue. It’s usually just that they spend way too long between actually hitting the ball, either from too many practice swings or the course having rough so long and thick that missing the fairway by an inch means a five minute easter egg hunt.

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      Mike

      2 years ago

      Your experience is certainly not my experience. I play with & behind many guys at my course who have nowhere near the game to play the white tees (6,550 yards). Worse are guys who played the blue tees (6800+ yards).

      CryptoDog

      2 years ago

      But here’s the thing:
      How long is too long?
      On Tour, the average round takes 5 hours, and they in 3-somes.
      Many Munis around the country, the tee times are at 10-minute intervals. If you packed the whole day of the tee sheet, that would mean on average you would get about 2.5 groups on every hole, as it would normally take about 15 to minutes to play a hole and the round, if it moves correctly, should take about 4 hours and 15 minutes, but usually close to 4 hours and 45, and that’s in 4somes. One or two groups somewhere in there that gets behind even half a hole, you’ll end up with 3 groups on every hole, one on the tee, one in the fairway and one on the green. And that’s the NORM, not BECOMING the norm. And if more than 1 or 2 groups slow down, say, if half the field are full of new players or hackers, well, we can expect a 5-hour + round easily. Is that too long? Especially when you consider the majority of the hackers either spread it all over the course, and half of those can’t hit it past 200 yards, so if there are any good players who all can hit it even 275, they would be waiting all day on every shot.
      Yes some people are fortunate to be able to play courses that are not crowded as they are far away from the cities and major towns, or are extremely expensive precisely to keep the course not get bogged down and to make them be in great condition. But those should not be counted in this problem.
      I’ve also played in some big tournaments at Amateur and Pro qualifying events, and they also play in 3somes, and there has never been a single event that has not shored than 5 hours and 15 minutes, EVER.
      So how long is too long?

      Ed Tomaszewski

      2 years ago

      I’m 75 yrs old. I can still hit my drive 225. White tees are around 6500 to 6700. I play in leagues that still require us to hit from the white tees. This is unfair to us older players. If we chose to move up we are told we have to add 1 stroke to our card per hole. This needs to be addressed.

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      MarkM

      2 years ago

      Find a different league. Our club allows older players to move up a box even if they’re hcp says they belong back more.

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      Mike

      2 years ago

      Come on, 1 stroke? If I’m playing in a league (esp for money) & I can move up a set of tees & only add ONE stroke to my score, I’m taking that all freaking day long.

      Lose the ego & move back a set of tees. Or, join another league.

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      KR

      2 years ago

      per hole he said

      Livininparadise

      2 years ago

      I agree. Almost all women need shorter tees. Most course “par” for women is around 80 or so. More tee boxes are needed for sure

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      Will

      2 years ago

      First: the USGA can go pound sand with that rollback nonsense. I hope they get sued into the ground over it.

      As for what it would take to get me to move a tee box forward, age. I’m already at the tee box appropriate for my distance for probably the next twenty years or so. I’m not interested in getting an artificially lower score by starting closer.

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      Dan

      2 years ago

      Agree. I’m a 7 handicap but hit driver 315/ 7 iron 195. Moving up actually makes it less fun. I’ll just drive all the greens and hit wedge into all the par 5s.

      Distance is only one factor. Course set matters too.

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      SV

      2 years ago

      I’m 74 with an 8 handicap. Generally I’ll play a course in the 5800-6100 yard range. When playing a new course the main thing I look for is the length of the par 3s. If the course is within my normal yardage but the par 3s will require a 6iron, hybrid or longer I move up. A course I play semi-regularly is like that so I play it at 5600 yards. It’s not fun having to hit hybrids or fairway woods into greens.
      One thing that would help the situation is if the courses would only put out tee markers for what they want played. If they know their clientele aren’t generally able to play from 6900 yards don’t put out the markers. For the most part, 6500 yards max would accommodate everyone. The average handicap index in the US is 14.2 for men and 27.5 for women.

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      atxrich

      2 years ago

      I’ll go between the whites and blue depending on a number of factors– course length, how I’m swinging, if I’m trying to work on certain parts of my game, etc. I dropped my ego a while back as the game is already hard enough to play and I have a better understanding of my proficiency than I did in my early 30’s.

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      Andre

      2 years ago

      Excellent article. IMO it starts with the courses. Many have the white markers at over 6200y. It gives them the air of a “championship” course and masks the blandness of their actual design. Courses have the responsability to nudge their players towards the appropriate tees.
      Don’t make the average golfer feel guilty about moving forward, have the better ones proudly move back. It’s all about perception.

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      Mark

      2 years ago

      Now that I am over 50, I have found that golf is a lot more fun moving up a box. My club has a mixed set of member tees. Honestly I shoot about the same, I am a 7 handicap and shoot right around 78-85 every round. But its nice to have a chance to get home in 2 on a par five or have a pitching wedge into a par 4 when I play the member tees. Lose your egos chumps.

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      KJC

      2 years ago

      I started playing shorter tees when a friend asked me to. It is more fun to put for birdies than bogeys. I think better players, who also can’t hit beyond 215 on drives, should lead the way, then encourage their friends to give it a try.

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      Yaaqob

      2 years ago

      I’ll move back a tee box when every golf course stops setting 8 minute tee times and charging 50% more year over year to play the course. If I’m going to hurry up and wait for $100 each round then I am going to do whatever the hell I want out there.

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      Mike

      2 years ago

      Would love to know what “whatever the hell I want out there means”? Does it mean you play slower just to get your money’s worth?

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      Rick

      2 years ago

      It probably means “I paid my money, let someone else fix my ball marks and repair my divots.” I’ve heard and seen that way too often. Golf used to be a gentlemen’s game. Not anymore. A reflection on society. Very sad.

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