Whoops – USGA Says Wilson’s Triton Driver is Non-Conforming
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Whoops – USGA Says Wilson’s Triton Driver is Non-Conforming

Whoops – USGA Says Wilson’s Triton Driver is Non-Conforming

We’re learning today that all Wilson Triton drivers, other than the 9° model used by Kevin Streelman, have been ruled non-conforming by the USGA.

Well, ain’t that a kick in the head!

Apparently, the One That Made The Cut has yet to make the one cut that really matters, and all of the potential brand goodwill and marketing momentum generated from the 7-week long Driver Vs Driver program is now taking hit.

Monumental embarrassment? Minor technical issue? A bit of both, depending on your point of view.

The Gamble

When Wilson launched the Triton on November 23rd, the day after the Driver Vs Driver finale, it did so knowing the driver did not yet have USGA approval. Sources told MyGolfSpy at the time that the USGA hadn’t received their samples until early-to-mid November, so golf’s governing body simply didn’t have the time to fully test the product and issue a ruling. We were assured full approval would be a formality.

Obviously, it wasn’t.

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Wilson clearly gambled. The company invested a ton of money and goodwill in Driver Vs Driver, and with the winning design shrouded in secrecy (the finale has been filmed in July), Wilson had to balance keeping a lid on the winner with any possible early leaks. The USGA releases updated lists of conforming products every Monday, and while it’s certain the USGA would have worked with Wilson to keep their winning design a secret, any delays in getting the product to the USGA for testing would delay the approval process.

And releasing a product for sale without that critical seal of approval clearly would never have happened if there wasn’t a TV show scheduled and a massive marketing and launch plan in motion.

Rock, meet Hard Place.

WHY NON-CONFORMING?

In an official statement released this morning, Wilson says the USGA has concerns with two of the Triton’s features.

The first is an aesthetic one involving the Triton’s interchangeable sole plates and the USGA’s “Plain in Shape” rule. Wilson will need to reduce the rear edge of the sole plate a few millimeters to make sure the 10.5- and 12-degree loft heads conform. In the picture below, the head on the left has the updated sole plate, the one on the right the original sole plate.

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The 9-degree head was ruled conforming December 5th.

The second issue has to do with the optional 12-gram weight in both the 10.5- and 12-degree accessory kits. Wilson says that in testing the driver with the maximum 24-grams of weight (the 12-gram weight and two 6-gram weights), and with the 12-gram weight placed in the toe of the club, the USGA found the CT (Characteristic Time – or how long the ball stays on the club face at impact) that was slightly above their allowable limits and testing tolerances. Wilson admits it never evaluated the Triton is that specific setup.

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According to Wilson, that setup would, in combination with the heavier Titanium sole plate, result in a very heavy swingweight, with the driver set to a severe fade/slice bias.

In retrospect, however, not testing it classifies as a pretty big oversight.

If this were a normal product launch, all of these would have been corrected long before the product was ever introduced to the public. Wilson would have submitted prototypes to the USGA for testing, changes would have made and you and I would have never known about “Plain in Shape” rules or CT violations. But the entire Triton project hinged on getting that driver into stores November 23rd, and Wilson was confident approval would be a mere formality.

Michael Vrska, Wilson’s Global Director of R&D, tells MyGolfSpy that this was a bit of a surprise.

“We would never have brought it to market if there was any concern of non-conformance,” says Vrska. “Still, we’ve been communicating with the USGA about this for a few weeks and received formal notification Friday, which is why we went public early this morning.”

The Fix

Starting immediately, Wilson will remove the optional 12-gram weight from all Triton accessory kits and will modify the Triton’s sole plates. They plan to resubmit to the USGA this week and say they’re confident the Triton will appear on the USGA’s conforming list next Monday.

Vrska says there will be no recall of existing retail inventory. “We’re working with retailers, pro shops and the like to supply new sole plates as quickly as possible.”

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Once that ruling is in place, Wilson will swap out the old sole plates with the new conforming ones, which will be identified with a “DVD” logo. If you’ve already bought a Triton, Wilson is setting up an exchange program on their website (click here). You can register and they’ll notify you as soon as the sole plate exchange program begins.

They expect to start shipping the newly configured Triton’s starting January 1st.

The Fallout

While clearly an embarrassing development given the hype of the program, anyone who bothers to read the fine print can see the fixes are minor. It’s going to cost Wilson some money to make right, and the company is already taking its lumps on social media. The schadenfreude of it all will no doubt delight trolls everywhere, but it would be a typical 2016 gross overreaction to say Wilson failed.

“We disagree with the USGA decision,” says Vrska. “We have a rich history of making innovative, Tour proven, conforming products and this doesn’t change that. We expect to have two Triton drivers in play on the PGA Tour right after the New Year. The response from stores and consumers has been overwhelmingly positive, and we expect that to continue.”

So, is this a stub of the toe? Absolutely. Embarrassing? No doubt.

A misstep for a brand reaching for the next level? Without question.

But is it a multi-million dollar blunder? I’d say highly doubtful, and it would be a shortsighted overreaction to say this whole thing has blown up in their face. The social media world has the attention span of a gnat, and this kerfuffle will be likely be forgotten once Tiger does anything on the golf course again, or the NFL decides the Steelers really did deflate footballs.

In the final analysis, Wilson knew it was taking a chance with the Triton launch timeline and made a mistake that’s getting the wrong kind of attention. But the company is taking ownership and making the necessary fixes to what is a pretty good driver.

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      Bagger Vince

      2 years ago

      This happened over 5 years ago and it still bothers me…. the USGA is not good at their mission.

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      Leftienige

      7 years ago

      So when the USPGA studied the sole of T/M’s 1st white driver they found it plain & simple . Apart , that is , from the dirty great spinning medallion in the middle . P’raps it wasn’t visible behind the suitcase-full of 50’s .

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      VoiceOfREason2U

      7 years ago

      This is the LEAST of Wilson’s problems with this driver! I saw it at PGA Super Store last week an it is U G L Y UGLY! and you can’t fix ugly. It looks like something Nickent would come up with or a Chinese “clone” LMAO! It truly is an UGLY club and the ugly opinion was shared by everyone that walked by the display

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      Oscar Farley

      7 years ago

      really? Who really cares what it looks like? I hit it last weekend and it hits as well if not better than any driver I’ve hit, including the M-1

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      RAT

      7 years ago

      Much to do about nothing.

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      James Wallace

      7 years ago

      Only conforming driver. And it could be yours for a small denomination of $249.99.

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      Phil Koufax Benjamin

      7 years ago

      Are willing to pay $450 smh??? Sorry rather buy the M1 or M2 for $400.

      Reply

      Gil Bloomer

      7 years ago

      Oops!

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      John Pelfrey

      7 years ago

      There is going to be some new positions open up in the R&D department lol ;)

      Reply

      Sam Snood

      7 years ago

      Well, too bad for Wilson. Actually used their irons until a few years ago. FI5’s were a class item. This driver is too ugly for me. Like the classic look like the old Adams 9032 and the Titleist 910, two of my gamers. And oh, it was the Patriots not the Steelers!

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      Darryl Alexander

      7 years ago

      Hey Snood,

      Before you make a ‘snood’ comment, make sure you are up-to-date…there was also an allegation of the Pittsburgh Steelers deflating footballs this week that the NFL quickly stated that was untrue. Get your facts straight.

      Reply

      Arthur Sisler

      7 years ago

      That’s kind of embarrassing don’t you think?

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      Rob Samson

      7 years ago

      Sole plate looks like a uterus.

      This reminds me of the non conforming Sasquatch. If I see someone using it I will forever call them out on weather or not it’s legal.

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      McaseyM

      7 years ago

      I really love how people feel this complete this completely destroys and invalidates Wilson. Why do people think this is such a back breaking thing? especially since it’s a super easy fix. Yes, Wilson should have tested and checked this moderately obscure setting, so in that case it’s a big misstep, but all they have to do is swap out for a small weight and sole plate. MGS has tested many a Wilson clubs and their new stuff is very highly regarded.
      If anything, this gives them more press, people will clamor to buy an “illegal” driver ( there’s plenty of you playing older illegal wedges or adding weights after the fact, so unless you send it for USGA approval after weighting the club, you may be playing non-conforming equipment )They had the stones to try something that no one had done before with the show and giving people a chance to have their club built. If people hadn’t paid attention, they are now and it’s the difference of a weight and $1-2 sole plate.

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      ''Cubby''

      7 years ago

      Go get a lesson from a Tour Player that play’s …1 % play this game …and 99% are Ball Beaters No equipment on earth is gonna fix a 5 ”inch over the top, No weight shift and proper rotation. So take the 499.00 you 300 hundred yard bomber. And spend it on solid progression that will enable you to play this game . Thank God for the USGA ,they do there best to maintain Integrity. sorry I’m so blunt. Hard work, a strong commitment, and the right coaching is your new Driver.

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      Chris C.

      7 years ago

      Argh! While this is most certainly an embarrassing moment for Wilson, it also serves to remind those of us who love the game that the USGA and the rules generated by same must be drastically changed. In the instance, the Triton was flunked for two reasons. The first involved the aesthetic sensibilities of the USGA. They simply did not like the looks of the bottom of the Triton. The “plain and simple” rule raises its ugly head once again. The second reason is of course the often misunderstood CT testing which should have been caught by Wilson. However, in this age of adjustable drivers, it does raise the question as to why original equipment seems to suffer the brunt of USGA’s enforcement. Does the USGA test equipment after it has been altered? In so far as the use of lead tape, titanium stick ons, lead shot and hot melting are permitted, how much of the equipment used on Tour or in top amateur events would be deemed non-conforming if tested?

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      RAT

      7 years ago

      Great comment. I agree 100%. The PGA and USGA does check players equipment randomly but we never hear about any failures to conform , they handle it with a fine or loss of a start and the club is removed or corrected. This is such a minor infraction why not handle it quietly and get on with more pressing things like balls conforming. Are balls tested? Do some fail ?

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      Robert Green

      7 years ago

      Yep, heard yesterday from my rep.

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      Mike Honcho

      7 years ago

      Ebay will be on fire!

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      Chris Simonds

      7 years ago

      Who cares Wilson sucks

      Reply

      Scoot24

      7 years ago

      That is an ignorant statement. What is your handicap? Have you ever played Wilson Staff clubs? What do you play……..let me guess, Taylor Made.

      Reply

      Steve Piesley

      7 years ago

      Weren’t we talking about This?

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      James Wallace

      7 years ago

      Guess you’ll have to play the D200 driver.

      Reply

      robin

      7 years ago

      What a bunch of little bitches on here just

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      Thai Trieu

      7 years ago

      So can I buy one at a discount? Hahaha

      Reply

      Dean Wensel

      7 years ago

      wehave an email about this from wilson’s pres

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      Lynn Broome

      7 years ago

      Minor issues easily corrected. This will give Wilson more press, however.

      Reply

      Jericho Das

      7 years ago

      O ..M..to the G

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      Jeremy Ellis

      7 years ago

      Just to clarify:
      1. By the 9* head Streelman is using, is there a difference between the retail 9* model and the one in his bag? If so, why would Wilson change the plate in the retail version?
      2. Does this affect the carbon sole plate? Is that one legal?

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      Paul Stanley

      7 years ago

      I was wondering the same thing. I read somewhere that Streelman has a conforming tour Head that is different from the retail model.

      I think both sole plates are currently non-conforming due to the fact in their current length they extend past the end of the driver. It looks like the DvD version is shaved a few mm to make it sit more flush with the driver head.

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      José Rolz

      7 years ago

      Gentlemen:
      I started playing golf at age 10 ( 1952) using my Mom’s Wilson clubs ( Patty Berg model ). Great clubs gents. Later in life I played HS and college golf ( incl. 1962 NCAA ) with Wilson Staff. Again, great clubs. Wilson WILL come back to where the brand should be; just look and feel the irons they are producing ( buttery feel when hit on the sweet spot, if not you will get the feed back, but with little loss in carry). Their FW woods and Hybrids are world class today. They needed the hoopla of a really new a great performing Driver. And the Triton will live up to expectations. Trust me, as I trust My Golf Spy. I still play to a 6.4 Index on a very competitive course from the middle tees (6,768 yds. ) using Wilson FG V2 irons with NS light weight steel R-flex shafts, Ping G30 Driver with 46.6″ long shaft, R-flex.
      This issue of the new Wilson Triton Driver not conforming to USGA because of the 12 gram weight configuration alternative is just a hiccup. The Triton will be a great seller because of performance

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      Dave Hall

      7 years ago

      Intelligent, well-articulated comment!

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      Bill Thomas

      7 years ago

      New, pompous young know-it-all, asshats running it. Lmao!

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      Rob Roth

      7 years ago

      Usga needs to make golf fun again

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      Bob

      7 years ago

      Wilson paid $500,000 for a non conforming design !!!! Genius.

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      Michael D. Corley

      7 years ago

      IDIOTS

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      Rob Koshewitz

      7 years ago

      ??? wasted.

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      Michael D. Corley

      7 years ago

      Club wasnt bad tho…

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      George

      7 years ago

      And you’re a brain surgeon, Mike! Things like this happen when you’re trying to make a driver right on the edge of the allowable limits. But thanks for your intelligent, one word comment!

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      David Moore

      7 years ago

      F$ck I’ve sold 3 of these haha Mitch Donald

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      Josh Barrey

      7 years ago

      Australia isnt governed by USGA so all good mate

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      Scott Blencowe

      7 years ago

      Golf Australia operates under the auspices of the USGA and R&A, so really we can’t use it either…

      David Moore

      7 years ago

      Josh Barrey I realise that but we will still have to sell it as non conforming until we get the new sole plates.
      You know what people are like

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      Josh Barrey

      7 years ago

      Yeah sure do know what they’re like :-), Nah just ask if they plan on using it in US, Canada or Mexico bud

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      David Moore

      7 years ago

      Hahaha gold I love it

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      KP

      7 years ago

      Does this mean my Nike 2.0 covert driver is now non-conforming because I swapped out my driver shaft for a shorter and heavier fairway shaft and now I hit it almost as far but way straighter. The USGA had their heads up their A$$ as far as the non pro golfer goes. This won’t affect WS in any way. Hats off to them for pushing the boundaries. Always have made great products and will continue to do so.

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      Tony Cobb

      7 years ago

      Oooops

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      Dave Glancie

      7 years ago

      Someones gonna get “you’re fired!”

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      Keith Vaughan

      7 years ago

      Being non conforming may make the driver sell. 90 percent or more of the players don’t care about the USGA. They want an advantage. They want LONG. you can still find non conforming drivers on sale on eBay. There is a market. May have been the best thing for this driver.

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      Ron

      7 years ago

      Well this is the point golf is loseing people to take the game up. They are minor fixes but the pros are the problem who cares if they are legal for that Saturday mourning game. Because the clubs that I purchase from the golf stores are not the clubs the pros are using. They are custom made for them. Like all sports the old guys don’t like change. let technology improve the game for the masses out there. What this governing body is for the 2000 rich people that call them selves pro. Great ideal Wilson.

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      Shortside

      7 years ago

      These are minor tweaks at best. Those that already purchased one will get a new sole plate. Bravo for pushing the limits and putting innovation on the front burner. Haven’t taken it for a test drive yet but fully intend on it.

      What I really look forward to is the next generation of this model. IMO they’ve got a great new idea that surely has room for improvement.

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      Ron Lefkowitz

      7 years ago

      Such a shame today’s golfers even need such a big club to hit a little golf ball. Sam Sneed is looking down laughing is arse off!

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      Simon J Trickey

      7 years ago

      Yeah I get that but right now by reading it the 9 degree head is fine and the other two heads are the ones that are not conforming is that right cause I have sold a 10.5 head only over the weekend

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      Kerry Cole

      7 years ago

      and we care about the USGA because they???? regulate what we non pros use???? get rid of them

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      Simon J Trickey

      7 years ago

      So what only the 9 degree head is legal by the sounds

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      William Ker

      7 years ago

      Stick to Taylormade

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      mark

      7 years ago

      I hit one the other day. The sound is not good. That is feedback, which would bother me buying/playing this club. Some drivers have a nice response (sound), the Wilson Staff Triton missed in this department.

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      Daniel Cooper

      7 years ago

      Whoops.

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      Tom Weedon

      7 years ago

      Why didn’t Wilson send the USGA driver samples immediately after filming in July? That way the USGA could have verified these issues, and Wilson could have corrected them prior to the final episode on Golf Channel this fall. I guess they didn’t think through this clearly.

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      Brian Meyer

      7 years ago

      USGA published a conforming list every monday. If they would have submitted it after filming everyone would have known which driver won and ruined the show.

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      Jeremy Ellis

      7 years ago

      Only way around this would have been to send samples of all the finalists to the USGA – something that Wilson wasn’t going to do. If they only sent the top-3 in early, that would have ruined the surprise for the others and hurt Golf Channel’s ratings.

      Only thing Wilson could have done was sent the top-3 in for testing in late October to disguise who won.

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      Scott Cronin

      7 years ago

      The USGA needs to hold a press conference stating that Wilson Golf has made the changes to ensure Triton is now conforming. You’ve crushed the reputation of this great company. This incident is like accusing a guy of beating his wife when he really doesn’t. The damage had been done and the USGA is the culprit. Your organization has no transparency. Decisions to the rules seem arbitrary and capricious. Why is conformity such a complicated problem? You either violate COR or you don’t. Right? Now you have done a great tee up for trial lawyers who will have a field day arguing and profiting from this scenario. Another example of bad decisions costing the USGA resources that could have been allocated more wisely. Your house is not in order, Mr. Davis. My hope is that a judge brings your organization to its knees, forcing them to rethink everything that is the current charter.

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      Aaron Thompson

      7 years ago

      Golf media is the culprit not the USGA

      Did the USGA tell you? Or did 10 different golf media outlets tell you

      Because on my newsfeed it is all the golf media outlets are talking about

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      Justin Dent

      7 years ago

      Your analogy made no sense. The triton didn’t conform to usga rules. The only person to blame for this isn’t the usga for releasing that it was nonconforming, but Wilson to rush a driver out that wasn’t even fully tested.

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      Justin Dent

      7 years ago

      Not to mention, the reputation of Wilson has been crushed for many for quite a long time before the triton ever was thought of lol

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      Scott Cronin

      7 years ago

      Justin, Disagree with my analogy? Why did the USGA deem the driver non-confirming? Was it the face? Were the COR limits exceeded? No. The problem was aesthetic with a weight 12 gram weight being the issue? Again, What makes this an unfair advantage to anyone? I would like the USGA to explain that. Oh and by what barometer do you decide that Wilson Golf already had a bad reputation? Merry ?

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      Brian Meyer

      7 years ago

      Scott Cronin Did you read the article? It spells out exactly what was wrong that it was deemed non-conforming. It either conforms or it doesn’t. USGA tested and it doesn’t conform. Wilson messed up this time around. I hope it doesn’t hurt them too much, they’ve been putting out great equipment lately. Kudos to Wilson for stepping up right away and creating a fix for the issue.

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      Artie1

      7 years ago

      Scott, they report only to themselves, there is no accountability to those who pay for membership and they are totally incestuous with their management. It will take a court to correct the inequities in everything USGA does. You got it right.

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      James Trotter

      7 years ago

      But i love the free U.S. Open caps when you’re a member….

      Justin Dent

      7 years ago

      Scott Cronin your analogy doesn’t follow because in the case of the wrongly accused, he didn’t do anything wrong. In the case of Wilson, they clearly didn’t research their own product enough to realize that the one weight configuration made ct too high, aka the ball would stay on the face a bit too long. So, unlike the wrongly accused, Wilson actually did screw up. The usga didn’t hurt wilson’s reputation, Wilson did.
      And nobody really raves about a new Wilson product. Go into a golf shop. All the buzz is around tm, callaway, titleist, etc. barely anybody touches Wilson. At least around me they’re the bargain basement of clubs. Merry Christmas as well.

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      John Anthony Eubanks

      7 years ago

      It was not just the aesthetics just made it fail. If you would’ve read the whole article it states with 2 of the 6 gram weight in a particular spot it causes the ball to stay on the face to long. That has nothing to do with the look

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      Jack Cook

      7 years ago

      Wow, someone REALLY likes Wilson

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      George Crickmore

      7 years ago

      The USGA is a joke.

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      Jason Carabott

      7 years ago

      Fantastic news for WS. They got it slightly off, USGA advertises it, WS fix it and everyone now knows what a WS Triton is. Ingenious way of spreading the word. Good on them and hope it does well because their irons and balls are up there with the best of them.

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      Jose Rolz

      7 years ago

      Totally agree with you Jason.
      Merry Christmas ?

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      El

      7 years ago

      Exactly!

      “Banned in Boston” is the best advertising money can’t buy.

      Don’t know if this was intentional, but brilliant nontheless.

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      dcorun

      7 years ago

      Your right. They didn’t plan on this but, it may not be as big a blunder as some are saying. In advertising isn’t there some saying like any news is good news. Wilson makes great irons and I play the Duo ball which is really good and priced right.

      Pjb029

      7 years ago

      It is doubtful that i will try this driver but i kind of feel bad for Wilson as they are trying to market and sell a driver that is aesthetically pleasing and is functionally sound but it’s hard to believe that they would chance having a driver that may be non conforming especially all the television exposure it was given , hopefully for them Wilson can quickly correct the issues and still can offer a driver that can perform like all the other big name drivers

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      Michael Albrecht

      7 years ago

      I think it’s a great driver aside from the sound and the aesthetics. I tested all and it came down to the 917 or Triton. I chose the titleist.

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      Gary Fonner

      7 years ago

      Amateurs shouldn’t have 2 play by the same rules as the pros, if a 75 year old man can buy a illegal driver 2 give him 15 more yards then that just makes the game more fun for him, why not

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      alan

      7 years ago

      Gary, a 75 year old man with a swing speed of say low to mid 70’s will see NO !!!!! improvement with a non-conforming driver.
      I played a few rounds with an elderly gent this summer .
      A really nice man that had $$$$ to burn on golf hardware.
      He was a decent golfer in his youth and has an arsenal of some of the finest hi-cor Japanese non-conforming drivers that are in the vicinity of $1200+ These are something like 0.88 COR.

      MAYBE HE REALIZED 5 more yards. He let me take a wack, my SS is mid 90’s and I saw about 15+ yards. When you swing at a slow speed you can’t overcome the laws of physics even with a super driver !!!!

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      Eric Coe

      7 years ago

      The downfall started with The Whale. Once the leader of golf equipment. Sad.

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      Mr. Innovation

      7 years ago

      The Whale was the beginning of the big driver boom. Certainly not the “downfall” you suggest. Wilson was on the cutting edge and always has been. In that case, they paved the way for everyone else. It really is a shame they followed the Whale with the INVEX which was hideous (despite getting a British Open Win from John Daly).

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      es

      7 years ago

      I work in customer service and a lot of times it not the mistake that defines how the customer feels but how the company reacts such mistakes. Some relationships are stronger after a blunder because of how we responded to the blunder. We ended up with a more loyal customer because we made a mistake and provided a satisfactory solution.

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      David Canipe

      7 years ago

      All 3 people who bought one don’t care.Walmart will still sell them.

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      Christopher Hamelink

      7 years ago

      Its ugly, its loud, its very exoensive, and it puts up impressive numbers.

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      Dave Conner

      7 years ago

      I’m a 20 handicapper I nned the help ! I’ll never play for play so why can’t I get one. A 280 drive would be nice !

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      Shortside

      7 years ago

      You still can. And quite frankly the setting that doesn’t conform is one no one would use anyway. Certainly not a 20 handicap.

      Tee it up. Grip it and rip it!

      Christopher Hamelink

      7 years ago

      Id suggest demoing one. Forget carry and focus on the roll you can get from one of these. The current m2 is an option as well with the price drops on them

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      ryebread

      7 years ago

      If I were Wilson, even had I know it wouldn’t be conforming, I’d have still pushed it out. The Triton has now gone from 7 weeks of hype to months afterwards where people will be getting the replacement parts, etc.. This is basically “free” advertising for the cost of getting people a couple of new $1-$2 plates and $.50 weights. The talk of the Christmas shopping and black Friday returns will be of “WS’s non-conforming driver.” There will be a hot aftermarket on those 12 gram weights.

      Years from now people will still remember the WS driver that was “too hot for the USGA” much like those old ERCs still bring decent money if in good shape. This might be the thing that singularly makes the Triton a cult club.

      Personally, I think if there’s a miss in the club itself, it’s the crown and look at address. From the top it appeals to the SGI type crowd, but then it’s arguably the most adjustable driver on the market on the sole (and that crowd should be better with set it and forget it). So which is this thing? I know they wanted to go with the crowd sourced design, but the crown would have looked 20 times better with painted stripes that were straight, and not something that makes something that sets up shut (at least to the eye) look ridiculously closed.

      I’m not a great golfer and will admit it. My ball moves for the most part right to left (right handed player) or straight. My bad miss though is hard left (face shut with ball moving left). I personally wouldn’t touch a Triton and not because it’s a WS. I actually really like the sole and think that a 12G weight back with 6G at the toe and heel and a carbon sole would probably be a good performer. I’m just scared of anything that starts life closed and then encourages more inside/out.

      But overall? This whole Triton is a huge win for Wilson. When’s the last time any new WS golf club had this much discussion among those that care about equipment? The only thing that comes to mind is the Fybrid.

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      Brian Jay Murra

      7 years ago

      BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

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      Artie1

      7 years ago

      Wait, does this mean I have remove my little piece of lead tape from left rear edge of my unadjustable driver? I should not worry because the pending 46 1/2 inch shaft length limitation will also negate my 47 inch driver. A really liked Long Tom.

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      werekong

      7 years ago

      What can possibly go wrong?!?

      Reply

      Michael Burlison

      7 years ago

      Greeeeeeaaaaattttt

      Reply

      Ryan Tracy

      7 years ago

      With the driver sitting a little closed, that should have been a variation that they tested. Hopefully this doesn’t make people shy away from trying it.

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      Steven Thomas

      7 years ago

      Tracy they didn’t have you check it out first? Big mistake.

      Reply

      Ryan Tracy

      7 years ago

      I tried to get into R&D but they said they never heard of me. Crazy, right?

      Reply

      James T.

      7 years ago

      Location. Location. Location. That’s in real estate. In golf club sales it’s marketing, marketing marketing. So Wilson’s stroke of genius is in giving us the choice to go conforming or non-conforming. With the concept of non-conforming comes the promise of longer drives. Golfers who don’t play in tournaments will flock to this club. Clever scheme/marketing by Wilson… big money to be made on this driver.

      They knew exactly what they were doing.

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      Rusty Meier

      7 years ago

      I see a new tv series by Wilson in the future…

      football vs football
      lets see who can design a football that cant be deflated!

      Reply

      Michael Stanley

      7 years ago

      Lol

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      Phil Robinson

      7 years ago

      Frank Thomas was Head of testing for the USGA for years! Why wouldn’t they submit it for approval before the TV show?

      Reply

      Christopher

      7 years ago

      It would be like releasing an album from an American Idol winner before the winner’s announced. As the clubs on the approval lists are available for the public to see they’d be spoiling their show and the final results.

      Reply

      Jeremy Ellis

      7 years ago

      Frank Thomas wrote the actual “plain in shape” rule. He strongly disagrees with the USGA’s current interpretation of it. He gave his input to Wilson and thought there would be no problem with it.

      Once submitted for approval, the approval becomes public knowledge. That would ruin the surprise for Driver vs Driver and hurt Golf Channel’s ratings.

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      Charles Michael

      7 years ago

      That’s what happens when you have non golfers(business execs) running the golf department at Wilson

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      Pointer

      7 years ago

      “A lot of tempest in a pot of tea.”
      There will probably be a run to get the first ones made.
      Reminds me of Ping’s putter grooves. Whatever happened to that so called super fail.

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      Pointer

      7 years ago

      Could this be a case of
      “No publicity is bad publicity.”?

      Reply

      Tomcatgolf

      7 years ago

      I remember when the ERC was deemed too hot as I was selling Callaway clubs at the time. We couldnt get enough. It became the hot item.

      Reply

      Rusty Meier

      7 years ago

      WELL DONE, Wilson Staff!!!: …Monumental embarrasment? Absolutely Not!
      Did they hit it perfect?… Actually, it looks like they did hit it on the screws with the 9 degree version! AND, considering all they have to do is repackage, and swap a sole plate, that is pretty darn close to perfect as far as I am concerned! Add a new Triton branded tshirt, or hat with the swap, and I am sure each early consumer will be very happy! OR, if you already own one, dont swap, and in a few years, having possession of one of the few “mint nonconforming sole plate models” might land you a great collectable in the future! Understanding how real R&D works and considering how it sometimes requires multiple design/manufacturing iterations to get it “right”, I applaud Wilson Staff for taking the lead in this transparent design/engineering process. The thought of Callaway, Titleist, or Ping being willing to open their R&D facilities to the masses like this would be laughable… I mean, Mygolfspy cant even get product from some of these companies to test side by side without purchase!

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      Steve Thorne

      7 years ago

      READ THE ARTICLE….This is an easy fix and already in place.Starting immediately, Wilson will remove the optional 12-gram weight from all Triton accessory kits and will modify the Triton’s sole plates. They plan to resubmit to the USGA this week and say they’re confident the Triton will appear on the USGA’s conforming list next Monday.

      Reply

      Shortside

      7 years ago

      Most obviously don’t get past a headline. I really think they’re onto to something with this design. I recall a color scheme on the show I liked better. Nonetheless looking forward to trying it out.

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      Paul Stanley

      7 years ago

      My concern would be swing weight without the 12 gram weight. Especially if using the carbon sole. I like a D-6 for my drivers. Like most golfers I would never put the 12 gram weight in the toe even though my ball flight is a draw.

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      Tomcatgolf

      7 years ago

      I disagree. I think that this is great free publicity and they will end up selling more in the long run. I even bet that some reading this will rush to buy and set it up with the illegal hot setup.

      Reply

      Dave Hughes

      7 years ago

      Well, it was Wilson Golf … is anyone truly that surprised??

      Reply

      Robert Woodmore

      7 years ago

      Great PR from Wilson

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      Pat

      7 years ago

      The vast majority of golfers do not participate in tournaments where people care about/enforce USGA rules, so why not move forward with a driver that “doesn’t conform” which also had a reality tv show behind it to create buzz?

      Sounds like a great way to grow the game to me. Isn’t that what we’re trying to do? If you play golf in environments where USGA conforming is an issue, just don’t buy it!

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      John Wuest

      7 years ago

      A ton of noise by the trolls and a bit of embarrassment for Wilson.

      Either the driver works as advertised, or it doesn’t. If it does, great. If not, it will end up on the ash pile of history. This little “oversight” won’t change the performance of the club, either way.

      By the time golf weather returns no one will even remember this hiccup.

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      Tider992010

      7 years ago

      This was clearly a club for the masses and the non-conforming issue does not really matter. May be just more publicity. Remember the Calloway ERC! Most people who play this driver in the PGA would not hit the 10.5 or 12 degree driver anyway. Good PUB is better than NO PUB!

      Reply

      Arnie Kourtjian

      7 years ago

      Over a few millimeters??

      Reply

      Paul Kaye

      7 years ago

      New name on sole plate “TITANIC”

      Reply

      John Porter

      7 years ago

      aka TITANIC FAILURE

      Reply

      KV

      7 years ago

      Just like the article states, it’s a nit. Embarrassing? Yes. Big deal? No. They took a limited risk in the release. The minute a WS player wins with it, or the tour season kicks off, all is forgotten.

      Give Wilson a break. They did something special to re-energize the brand and it worked.

      Reply

      Mike

      7 years ago

      While this may be somewhat of a significant mis-step, I’m not going to think any less of Wilson after this. I think that Driver Vs. Driver was a neat idea, and a creative way to adapt to the industry’s rapid evolution. I think that Wilson had no choice but to risk it and delay testing, as today’s connected world makes it almost impossible to keep a design secret. As has been mentioned, WS has years of experience with developing new products. However, I stand by my statement that the industry is constantly changing, and this scenario is simply an example of a learning experience for the company.

      Reply

      Steve S

      7 years ago

      So much to do about almost nothing? The one I would use is already conforming, not that I care since I don’t play in USGA or PGA tournaments……and have no plans. Full disclosure…I also have no plans to buy this driver because I don’t hit it any better than my current driver.

      Reply

      Campbell Irvine

      7 years ago

      Haha I haven’t laughed so hard in ages

      Reply

      Scott Wengi

      7 years ago

      Oops !

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      Robert

      7 years ago

      This is interesting. So just because they provided the extra heavy weight, the USGA tested it. How many other drivers would fail the CT test if you added heavier weights to them? You could potentially cut down the shaft a bit to keep the swing weight ok, but then have a hot driver. Would the two offset each other or is it even worth it for more CT? That’s a answer I don’t know, but it would be interesting to see how many would fail a similar test.

      Reply

      new stuff!!

      7 years ago

      this is very interesting because they don’t test clubs after players modify them with lead tape or lead powder down shafts…

      Reply

      Rich Gronlier

      7 years ago

      Simple, let the everyday players continue to us it and reject it only for Pro tournaments. I need all the help I can get.

      Reply

      Paul Taylor

      7 years ago

      This is why you don’t hire someone outside your own personal club developers….damn thing needs a change in performance anyway for $450 Titleist, Callaway, and Taylormade still win

      Reply

      Patrick Sachsenmaier

      7 years ago

      Hahaha ???

      Reply

      John Sears

      7 years ago

      Or it could be a blessing that someone made something that actually improves your game.

      Reply

      John Sears

      7 years ago

      Actually it’s a blessing in disguise. The thing was ugly.

      Reply

      jlukes

      7 years ago

      Absolutely embarrassing and definitely cannot be sitting too well carrying these drivers and having to dedicate time to rectifying the situation with customers.

      If TaylorMade or Callaway did this it would be a huge uproar, but something they would get through. The fact that this is Wilson Staff might only hurt their brand rebuilding, with golfers shrugging their shoulders and saying “that is why nobody buys WS stuff”

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      Jeff Bahry

      7 years ago

      …and Wilson has been manufacturing golf clubs for how long? R&D fail

      Reply

      Christian Furu

      7 years ago

      Very good article mr.Barba.

      Reply

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