TGL’s Nightmare Scenario: The Sim Whiffs on a Fleetwood Shot
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TGL’s Nightmare Scenario: The Sim Whiffs on a Fleetwood Shot

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TGL’s Nightmare Scenario: The Sim Whiffs on a Fleetwood Shot

Earlier this week, TGL held its fifth match of the season.

It wasn’t a particularly close match between victorious Los Angeles Golf Club and Boston Common—blowouts have been the norm so far in TGL’s turbulent inaugural season—but the real headline is what happened to Tommy Fleetwood.

Fleetwood, of LAGC, stepped up on the second hole Tuesday night to hit an iron shot from 168 yards out. He flushed it, as Tour pros typically do. Fleetwood is one of the best iron players in the game, so you would expect a good result.

Imagine everyone’s surprise when the simulator only registered it as a 39-yard shot.

“What just happened?” Rory McIlroy, playing on Boston Common, said.

ESPN commentators played it off like nothing happened, similarly to how they blamed “adrenaline” for previous misreadings in other TGL matches.

Fleetwood was granted a mulligan, and he hit that shot in the greenside bunker. LAGC won the hole to go up, 2-0, and would eventually pull away from McIlroy’s squad by a 6-2 margin.

The error didn’t affect the ultimate outcome, but the bigger story is TGL’s continued tech issues. As MyGolfSpy has profiled, TGL is using 16 radar-based Full Swing Kits to capture shot data. Full Swing is the launch monitor of choice based on TGL co-owner Tiger Woods who has a stake in Full Swing.

There have been some sketchy readings throughout the first five weeks of play. In one instance, Woods flew a green by 30 yards despite only being faced with a 100-yard wedge shot. In another Collin Morikawa airmailed a green from just 105 yards out.

Players have been heard criticizing the simulator. Tom Kim said, “I don’t think this thing (the simulator) knows what a fade is.”

Ouch. There is a lot of money behind TGL. They have an ESPN primetime slot and some of the most recognizable golfers on the planet. Occasionally, the 15-hole matches have been entertaining (though not often enough). I thought the fourth match between Tiger and Rory was awesome viewing and a step forward.

However, what TGL doesn’t have is an accurate simulator that can be trusted. That technology exists with camera-based simulators that are far more trustworthy than Full Swing for this type of endeavor—but TGL is not using Trackman or Foresight.

How could anyone gamble on this with any confidence? Betting was one of the ways that TGL could become successful.

Now we are seeing TGL’s TV ratings slip as barely 500,000 watched the fifth match. While it likely has a high floor because of ESPN and Tiger, the ceiling also seems to be lower than some might have hoped for.

Regardless of how you slice it, this Fleetwood mishap was an embarrassing moment.

Top Photo Caption: Tommy Fleetwood laughed it off after the simulator misread his shot. (GETTY IMAGES/Megan Briggs)

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      Deon du Plessis

      1 month ago

      There is an easy solution for this. Use 3 LM’s and aggregate the data. If one LM’s readings is completely off from the other’s throw it away. If the readings are in an acceptable range, aggregate the readings and use that in the SIM. Really not that difficult. And you don’t need a super computer to do it. You are literally aggregating 3 values. Would be almost instant.

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      Dok

      1 month ago

      Kind of like the precogs in the Minority Report.

      Reply

      Mr Ed

      1 month ago

      Soooooo boring……..like watching someone play a video game or watching someone hit at TopGolf. Its good for about 60 seconds and then BYE! Hypocrite anti LIV folks are all slobbering on themselves over it like lemmings. 1 season and out. In the end they will have wasted more money on that than the PGA will have “donated” to charity this season. Good thing they are a non profit………

      Reply

      OpMan

      1 month ago

      Yup!!!
      $50 million to build that indoor thing could have been spent on building night lights at some course so they can match what LIV is doing LMAO
      And it’s also weird to me that they are going to play the Genesis INVITATIONAL at Torrey Pinea just because it’s not possible to do it in LA at the Riv – money they could also have just donated and not do the event at all this year due to the fires!!
      Give the money to the people of LA!!! One of the local LA County 9-hole courses in Altadena burned 🔥 to the ground!!! That place could use the money!!!

      Reply

      KingJames

      1 month ago

      Is the TGL League doomed because of a single technical hiccup in its inaugural season? Come on. MyGolfSpy’s raison d’être is delivering genuine, unbiased information with journalistic integrity. As a former journalist and published author, I’m concerned that this perspective falls short. Any groundbreaking endeavor, particularly one involving technology, inevitably encounters teething problems. Remember the original iPhone? It was plagued by bugs, glitches, and design flaws, yet it ultimately revolutionized handheld technology. Let’s allow the League a few iterations to refine its platform. They clearly have a winning formula; it simply requires time and development to reach its full potential.

      Reply

      One1

      1 month ago

      The article points out several technical hiccups. How many are needed to question the sustainability of the TGL?

      Reply

      Josh moore

      1 month ago

      I think the issue is that better tech exists and was not chosen,we all know why with Tiger’s full swing partnership but it is a big miss for TGL to not give the best tech to the best golfers in the world.

      Reply

      Chris Keramidopulos

      1 month ago

      There are many issues/glitches to be fixed. Morikawa’s drive should have gone in the penalty area or hit from extended ruff on an extreme side hill. The ruff area should be like the green with an adjustable surface. I agree with the use it or loose it hammer option. Maybe even giving both teams a hammer to begin each match. They also need more banter between the teams. A color commentary guy like Johnny Miller.

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      Will

      1 month ago

      Completely inevitable and not a big deal. Launch monitor tech isn’t perfect and will occasionally miss, no matter how much you spend. Everyone should have understood that going in.

      The real conversation to be had is about how the professional grade sims survive in the market as word gets out that they’re not significantly more reliable or accurate than the vastly cheaper consumer models available these days. Honestly, my Rapsodo MLM2 Pro drops fewer shots than the fancy GCHawk setup I tried at a local course.

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      Andres Martinez

      1 month ago

      Adam called it!

      Reply

      TenBuck

      1 month ago

      It’s all about and only about the $$$$$$$$$$$!

      Reply

      Steve B

      1 month ago

      I have enjoyed TGL so far and since it is new I am giving some things a pass but they need to be worked out to make this work. The launch monitor’s accuracy is number 1.
      1 – Launch monitor accuracy, these guys are used to pressure and aren’t that amp’ed up.
      2 – The ball needs to better follow reality with balls stopping and defying gravity as well as running in and out of a bunker like it’s fairway with no lip
      3 – Improve the ESPN crew, sometimes it is entertaining and others it feels like we are all waiting for the next shot with nothing said, I think Matt Barrie needs a current/former golfer or someone to talk with for help.
      4 – Hammer needs a 3 hole use it or lose it rule and it needs to look like a hammer or have a hammer image on it and make it weighted like a flag in football so it can be thrown, just a towel isn’t fun or exciting.
      5 – Player interaction is great but half the time they don’t know they are being talked to.

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      Jason S

      1 month ago

      They spent $50 million to build the purpose-built SoFi Stadium and the decided to use a $5k pro-sumer launch monitor that’s not top 5 in the $5k and under category. That has to be one of the dumbest decisions in the history of sports (not as bad as the Browns/Watson debacle, but you get the idea). Tiger isn’t a bad businessman, but this is one of the worst decisions he’s probably made, and I doubt very much he’ll consider changing due to his stake in that company. Sad.

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      Adam Burton

      1 month ago

      I said it from the beginning when I saw the FullSwing Kit. I knew it wasn’t going to be accurate. I have made numerous posts since night one. Tiger is one of the key contributors of TGL. He needs to step up here and end the relationship with FullSwing. They need to be using a Quad on full shots. Or, move over to Trackman. The only issue with the Quad is in the bunker. But I’m sure they’d figure it out.

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      OpMan

      1 month ago

      Trackman isn’t all that accurate either, and to use Trackman indoors like this they would have needed those specialised balls, and they wouldn’t go for that anyway.
      They needed a camera-based system, but we know how that goes

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      Fake

      1 month ago

      Our local sim uses Trackman, and it’s very accurate. Not perfect, but certainly good enough to get through the winter and have a good time.

      Then again, we’re not playing on live TV for big money. “Good enough” isn’t good enough on that stage.

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      Hopp Man

      1 month ago

      I have seen similar glitches on GC Quads at the PGA Tour Superstore, I hit a 400+ yard hybrid, the machine glitched and the ball just kept flying. PGATSS updated their equipment but I have seen glitches with the newer stuff as well, it happens. I haven’t seen it on TrackMan but I have only hit on Trackman 2 or 3 times.

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      Tom Sampson

      1 month ago

      Sorry, I just have to laugh. When LIV started the interweb was full of comments about:

      1) How bad team golf events are. Golf is a one person sport. I won’t watch.
      2) Its only about the money. I won’t watch.
      3) Rich just getting richer. I won’t watch.
      4) You show and play get paid with no cut line so no competition won’t be good golf. I won’t watch.

      And yet, once Tiger and Rory start a new golf venture, all is good.

      Tom

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      OpMan

      1 month ago

      Because “Patriots” are racists and prejudiced against the Saudis

      Reply

      Mr Ed

      1 month ago

      Its not “patriots”, its just hypocrites, of which, since YOU brought it up mainly consists of “liberals” in the real world. Having said that hypocrisy runs rampant in this area. Anti LIV folks have a LOT of growing up to do. They overlook a LOT of thier own hypocrisy to come to their ridiculous conclusions.

      Jstar

      1 month ago

      I enjoy TGL and the technology will improve. Seems the green needs improvement as well.

      Reply

      David Kane

      1 month ago

      Depending on which version of Full Swing they are using, it costs either around $40k or if it includes the putting simulator, about $70k. I’m shocked it has had 3 major misreads in 5 weeks.
      I have a $2,000 Skytrak simulator set up in my garage. Have had it 4 years and it almost never misreads; and then it’s usually because I’ve let my glass in front of the camera get dusty.

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      Wade

      1 month ago

      Even worse are things like Morikawa’s tee shot on 8 which in real life A) would have definitely been in the water and B) would have had an impossible stance if it didn’t go in the water. Instead the ball defied gravity and the next shot was able to be hit from a flat lie out of the “rough”

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      Birdie Bob

      1 month ago

      Wade, 100% agree. What an embarrassment; even the players were astonished and just laughed it off.

      Reply

      Mike

      1 month ago

      Couldn’t imagine wasting a minute of Life watching this nonsense.

      Reply

      Kelly

      1 month ago

      I can’t believe I wasted 2 minutes reading this article. Will waste far less time on TGL.

      Reply

      Thumbdar513

      1 month ago

      The Sim the I use is way off from my shots in the real world. I feel better knowing that it’s not just me. I just focus on my dispersion.

      Reply

      Matt Blankenship

      1 month ago

      I have enjoyed the 2 telecasts I’ve watched, # 4 & 5. There weren’t any issues in #4 but I saw the complete ball drop on Tommy’s shot. Full Swing must be in full panic, all hands on deck, to try to resolve the issues, but the tech they are using doesn’t look like it’s the right one.
      Issues aside, watching the pros in this kind of environment is fun. Much less pressure and more like watching preseason baseball where everyone is just having fun. I haven’t researched how they get paid and betting on this seems absurd to me. I really can’t see how this makes money in the long run unless ESPN is paying way too much for the product. Apparently, the viewership numbers are not what was expected but then it’s only week 5. President’s Day will have 3 matches, 6 hours. That will wear out most people, myself included.
      I’d love to try it myself but the admission ticket to play it must be astronomical. Money better spent outdoors on one of the many courses nearby. I would go to watch a match, at least once, if I could see a SpaceX launch on the same trip!

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      Big moose

      1 month ago

      The sim I go to isn’t accurate either, it’s OK if you just want to get some swings in like I did before our trip to Arizona but the distances aren’t right. I was using the ball I use to golf with and I hit a 3 hybrid about as well I can wich usually goes around 200 yards it said I hit it 138 yards. I don’t think so.

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      Chris F

      1 month ago

      Clearly, they need to be using the best launch monitor available, either Foresight and/or Trackman. The pro’s have a very good sense on how far their balls travel and the shot they need to hit to execute it. So when you see balls repeatedly flying the greens or coming up way short, from elite ball strikers, you have a launch monitor issue. That’s embarrassing.

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      Patrick Rhode

      1 month ago

      A bit of an overreaction to a new product. As far as continued success (TV ratings) go; changes to ensure closer matches and more involvement by TV audience such as a live blog or letting people design some new holes might help. Lastly, part of the allure was supposed to be live commentary and showing player personality. Other than a few instances, primarily with Tom Kim, its been pretty boring.

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      Jay

      1 month ago

      I saw on facebook a photo of Justin Rose warming up before the match with GCQuad next to him. I wonder if he was comparing numbers so that he could mentally adjust.

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      Tim

      1 month ago

      FullSwing software is terrible – TGL chose it solely because Tiger is affiliated and owns stake. Bypassed several other better options

      Reply

      andrew

      1 month ago

      Have not watched one yet, no intention of tuning in.

      Reply

      JB

      1 month ago

      I can see Full Swing releasing a camera based indoor monitor in the very near future. The indoor segment of launch monitors seems to be a growing trend. Don’t be surprised if next year’s season features such a device.

      Reply

      Golfman

      1 month ago

      Agreed.

      Reply

      Susan

      1 month ago

      So if the ultra Rory Tiger worthy simulators don’t work what good are the ones that are just ordinary worth?

      Reply

      Scott

      1 month ago

      With golf, you have to understand that most pro golfers don’t play the absolute best equipment in their opinion. Sometimes they do, and if so, usually only a club or two. Most play the clubs from the company that pays the most. Tiger uses this launch monitor because they pay him to leverage his name. Nearly every other pro golfer uses a GC Quad…for a reason. Tiger used inferior Nike clubs (and balls) for years because money.

      Reply

      Geno

      1 month ago

      Tiger used inferior Nike clubs (and balls) for years because money.

      Can you imagine how many wins he would have if his equipment wasn’t “”inferior?”” All kidding aside I’m pretty sure if the equipment was inferior he would not play with it. He played Titleist for quite some time in his amateur days and his first few years on tour. He already had a contract with Nike so what would be the incentive to play their clubs in the first place? Anywho….. Peace to all
      Geno

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