Coming Soon: A Different Kind of Shaft Review
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Coming Soon: A Different Kind of Shaft Review

Coming Soon: A Different Kind of Shaft Review

Solving the Shaft Problem

There’s an effort underway here at MyGolfSpy – one that’s become a personal passion of mine – to tear down some of the mythology that surrounds the golf shaft. There’s plenty of misinformation and misunderstanding in the shaft space, and we want to clear some of that up for you. Our goal is to empower you with the knowledge to differentiate what’s real and true from what’s opinion and what’s total nonsense. You’re going to see us tackle the problem from many sides, but one of the first clear manifestations will be a change in how we review golf shafts.

The truth is that gaining any meaningful insight into shaft performance has proven elusive. Last year we conducted an extensive test of so-labeled low spin shafts. We had some fun doing it, but digging through the data, while interesting, led us to a singular and admittedly not particularly helpful observation: the shaft any given golfer hits most left is almost invariably the one that spins the least.

That’s a perfectly logical conclusion and one that’s supported by the actual physics of how the shaft moves through the swing and into impact, but I’m not sure it does much to help you find the right shaft.

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A Lack of Standards

Getting to what’s real is complicated by the fact that the shaft industry lacks any sort of standardization. Most of you already know that the notion of flex is arbitrary to the point where one company’s Regular may be stiffer than another’s X-Stiff, but it’s also worth mentioning that there’s no industry standard for the tools that measure the shaft. Much of the instrumentation that exists at the manufacturer level was developed in-house, and each manufacturer uses a proprietary suite of tools.

Further complicating matters is the reality that the language used to describe shaft performance is oversimplified. The notion of high launch and low spin (a combination that doesn’t actually exist), is a lot easier for the consumer to digest than performance stories centered around lead deflection, toe down, and closure rate. So, the industry keeps it simple; I’d argue too simple.

Low Spin, for example, is at best a way to describe a loose collection of shaft design characteristics, but not always the actual performance. Keep in mind, descriptions like low, mid, or high launch are relative only to other shafts in the same manufacturer’s lineup, and their real-world manifestation is largely dependent on the golfer holding the shaft. Low spin is far from an absolute; one man’s spin-killer is another’s 4500 RPM nightmare. That’s what’s real.

A Better Way

Before we take a closer look at how we plan to provide you with useful shaft information, let me first tell you what we’re not going to do. We’re not going to show you launch monitor charts where everything aligns perfectly with launch and spin-based marketing. That almost never happens when we test shafts. We’re also not going to continue to collect data with the unrealistic expectation that we can translate what we find for your game.

Finally, we’re not going to be a place that falls back on textbook shaft gibberish to try and make ourselves sound insightful. We’ll be adding our admittedly subjective thoughts (most likely in the comments section), but we’re not going to waste your time with meaningless superlatives like this shaft kicks like a mule, or it’s boardy, but in a good way. We’ll spare you the butter analogies too.

We absolutely can do better.

Cool Clubs S3

the right tool

What we can do is tell you is how the design characteristics of a given shaft compare to others within the market at large. We can do this because the data we’re going to share is collected independently with the most sophisticated shaft profiling system in the industry today.

We’ve partnered with Cool Clubs, the Golf Industry’s Leading Custom Fit Club Company, to bring you shaft reviews powered by its Shaft Simulation System (S3).

S3 Technologies utilizes the most advanced shaft testing technology in the industry. The Shaft Simulation System (S3), which was developed in 2013, is a fully-automated, all-in-one shaft profiling machine. In a matter of minutes, the S3 determines the following shaft specs: (Straightness, Consistency Profile, EI Profile, CPM Analysis, and Torque). While some of the aforementioned specs can be obtained from shaft manufacturers, a lack of industry standards prevents that data being used for accurate apples-to-apples comparisons. S3 Technologies solves this challenge by testing all of our products in-house using the S3. This gives S3 Technologies a unique and in-depth understanding of the quality and performance of the industry’s shafts.

Not only does S3 give us standardized quantitative information about the shaft(s) being reviewed, the data we share will provide you with a much better sense of how those shafts compare with similarly spec’d offerings on the market. For each shaft we review, we’ll provide the following information:

  • Balance Point – Compared to similar shafts, is it high or low?
  • Zone Stiffness – How does the stiffness in the butt, mid, and tip sections compare to the average shaft in the Cool Clubs S3 database?
  • Launch Characteristic – Is it high, low, or mid launch? How does it compare to the database average or true neutral (what you might call a mid-mid profile)?
  • Swing Speed Recommendations – For a variety of weight and flexes for each offering, we’ll show you the recommended swing speed range for each shaft.

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Advice from Cool Clubs Fitters

While we can’t recommend enough that you get properly fitted, especially when you’re considering dropping several hundred bucks or more on an exotic aftermarket shaft, we understand that among us exist eBay DIYers, compulsive tinkerers, and guys who just like to play with new toys.

Believe me, I understand.

To help you make more informed decisions, we’ll be providing insight from the Cool Clubs fitting team as to the type of golfer (tempo, transition, and release) for whom the shaft is generally well-suited.

Along the way, we’ll explain how the various design characteristics of a golf shaft influence performance. Hopefully, you’ll come away with a better understanding of shafts, and what design characteristics are best suited to your swing.

The first review (Graphite Design Tour AD IZ) has been posted. Be sure to let us know what you think and what you’d like to see in future reviews.

In the meantime, visit S3Fitting.com to learn more about the S3 shaft testing technology, and be sure to try the demo to find out if the shaft currently in your driver is a good fit for your swing.

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Tony Covey

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Tony is the Editor of MyGolfSpy where his job is to bring fresh and innovative content to the site. In addition to his editorial responsibilities, he was instrumental in developing MyGolfSpy's data-driven testing methodologies and continues to sift through our data to find the insights that can help improve your game. Tony believes that golfers deserve to know what's real and what's not, and that means MyGolfSpy's equipment coverage must extend beyond the so-called facts as dictated by the same companies that created them. Most of all Tony believes in performance over hype and #PowerToThePlayer.

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      Jack b.

      6 years ago

      1. Will this be only about driver shafts?
      2. Suggest you measure historical driver shafts also as points of reference. I for one played many years with steel driver shafts TT DG and TT Lite XL. Measuring the most popular graphite shafts of yesteryear might help too. Your readers could suggest favorite shafts they have used.

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      Kenneth Lee

      6 years ago

      I’m really looking forward to reading about your tests on shafts. I am really convinced that the shaft is one of the most important aspects of a golf club, especially the longer clubs, yet it is the most mystifying aspects of a golf club set-up for the average guy. Even the specs from the manufacturers are really confusing too. My club fitter always rely on the shafts’ frequency but it seems like this is only half of the story.

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      JB

      6 years ago

      I see a few things here.

      1st. OEMs usually re-brand a shaft as theirs. For example the Cobra Rogue Black and Rogue Silver shafts are not the same as Alida Rogue Black and Rogue Silver. They are tweaked a bit for the club’s design. So I see OEM issued shafts as being a potential problem with testing.

      2nd. I’m sure robot testing is the standard way of measuring spin and launch with a shaft, but OEMs never say what the comparison is to. Low spin to what, lol. When you throw the human element into it, shafts will behave totally differently, and I predict you’ll see results a lot like your golf ball tests.

      3rd. There will be some folks you claim tipping and trimming can change results. This could be good and/or bad.

      I’m curious to see how this works. Maltby currently has the most in-depth shaft information I have seen yet. They list material, flex, weight, torque, Bend Point, Tip Stiffness, and Launch for a lot of shafts. Interestingly they don’t list spin, which makes me think spin is more to do with the head of the club than the shaft.

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      Skip

      6 years ago

      Tall task to be sure, but commendable for taking up such a task. That said, I’ve seen spec sheets that have contradictions and they were developed using S3.

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      TonyG

      6 years ago

      It would be nice to know what Ping shafts actual readings are.

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      Ryebread

      6 years ago

      This is very “cool.” Seriously, nice job.

      I would love to have you test some consistency across OEM vs premium shafts. Advertisers would have us believe there is wild variation on the OEM ones and much tighter tolerances on the expensive ones. Is that actually true?

      Another great test would be the “made for” vs “real deal” of shafts. We know that the “made for” shafts are purchased in volume for < $10 a shaft, but do they actually perform any differently than the one selling for $100 to $300 to the consumer, or is the difference just paint.

      My personal theory is that the biggest impact of the shaft is mental followed by swing speed. Swing speed doesn’t necessarily translate into ball speed if the club doesn’t get centered. Get the weight right so the player makes a confident swing and good contact, and I think the rest of the differences are kind of in the margins. Of course I’m not a professional shaft fitter, designer or club builder and could easily be proven wrong.

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      John

      6 years ago

      This is great news. I can’t wait for the first time you test a $20 shaft that ends up having nearly identical playing characteristics as a much-coveted $500 model. That is when things will get interesting. Keep up the great work.

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      Scot Wellman

      6 years ago

      I remember back in 1999 that Adams golf used to test every shaft to make sure a regular flex was between 4.7 and 5.3 on a frequency analyzer. They would scrap several shafts and provide a chart on each iron. This if course was at a time when you could only buy there irons through a certified fitter. I always thought it was an interesting approach considering they were putting the customer first instead of selling to the masses.

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      W.B. Neal

      6 years ago

      This is long overdue. I have been a shaft geek for years and firmly believe that once you get the head you are comfortable with, it’s the shaft that makes the club fitted to a swing speed. Please review the Veylix line.

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      Jerry

      6 years ago

      In the early 70’s I played a great deal with a golfer who would go to win our State Amateur and several other better amateur tournaments. One day he shows up with a “graphite” shafted driver. It had the usual persimmon head common back then. Finally on the 18th tee he let me hit it. I think I hit 4-5 tee balls snap hooking every one. I thought “this idea will never catch on” and played metal shafts for quite a few years after thinking every graphite shaft would promote a whippy ass hook. I applaud MGS trying to make sense of this black art and hope you devise a way to help golfers choose a game improvement shaft that works for them. I wonder though if anyone has tried the Mizuno shaft fitting system? I will buy new irons this winter and will probably buy another set of Zuno’s and am leaning toward Rifle’s. Good job MGS.

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      Ricky

      6 years ago

      This is awesome. This is info other sites just won’t to or even consider. It’s all about the marketing and who is giving them money

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      Joe Golfer

      6 years ago

      I’m glad I read this article. Some very interesting stuff.
      When they talk about shafts, I’d also like to see someone explain what type of shaft benefits specific types of golfers.
      So far I know that a stiff tip shaft will hit the ball lower, while a soft tip shaft typically hits it higher. I never seem to see info on the profile of the shaft that is the mid-shaft or the butt stiffness.
      I’d like Cool Clubs to explain how those last two features fit into the player profile recommendation.

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      Thomas

      6 years ago

      Finally, the missing link. Can’t wait
      I was in pro shop today just picked up several manufactures 10..5* reg flex
      Most seem stiff only difference I could tell by handling was stiff flex felt heavier for what’s its worth????

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      Rick Colt

      6 years ago

      Selecting shafts as a senior is sometimes difficult because the test results use higher SS. I hope that your test results will have a category for those with SS < 90. Thanks

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      Mikey

      6 years ago

      I got a fitting from cool clubs in pricey Tokyo Japan. They gave me specs for everything
      I took them and went to Ebay to put my set together for 20% if their charge and my scores have dropped from mid 80s to mid 70s when I’m playing regularly. The fitting was worth it.

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      retired04

      6 years ago

      Wonderful-Please, please, please don’t forget about seniors with 75 +/- MPH swings-we buy stuff (my wife says too much). Looking forward to seeing your results.

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      Jm

      6 years ago

      Is this the same system they used for the app they created and then abandoned?

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      Golfinnut

      6 years ago

      Now this sounds amazing! Cut down on the selections of shafts. Does this work for me or not? I have so many shafts that I just thought would work based on the same “specs” but turned out they didn’t work as well as I had hoped. This would help immensely.

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      Minnesota Golfer

      6 years ago

      Tried their demo site stated in this article https://s3fitting.com/try and found that the data seems to be very limited. I currently use UST Recoil RECOIL 450 ES F3 shaft, but they only have F2 and F4 in the database. BTW, F3=regular and is the most popularly used shafts among the three.

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      TBT

      6 years ago

      This should be interesting for sure..,shaft characteristics is some of the most confusing information in golf.

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      yungkory

      6 years ago

      I have a driver fitting scheduled on Friday, excited to read the results!

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      Patrick Devillé

      6 years ago

      I ve found mine 10 years ago and still have : Grafalloy Blue stiff tipped 1 inch

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      Carolina Golfer 2

      6 years ago

      This so..dare I say it…Cool!! But seriously to have one set of criteria that will measure all the shaft equally is very welcome. 12,000 combinations on his wall, that’s just staggering.

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      David W

      6 years ago

      Of all your tests, this is the one I’m looking forward to the most. I’ve started playing with shafts in my driver the last couple of years (M1) and it’s amazing the difference from one shaft to another. If will be great to see the data and compare it to what I’ve noticed first hand.

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      David W

      6 years ago

      M1 and G30

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      KiltedGolfer

      6 years ago

      This sounds great. I do hope you can answer the following question at some point, maybe through a lab:

      I assume S3 tests the shaft at its oem length of 46 inches? So how do those 46 inch length shaft results compare to the shaft that is cut down and attached to a club head? I would think the data would change but will leave it to you guys to see if it is significant to the golfer. lol

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      James

      6 years ago

      What happened or when will the truegolffit.com site go live? Is this particular site related?

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      Rich

      6 years ago

      This is really interesting on the many selections that are available. It would be a fitters dream ….

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      txgolfjunkie

      6 years ago

      FINALLY!!!
      This will be quite the undertaking seeing that there are soooo many shaft options out there these days. For years, if you didn’t get properly fit, you had to rely on manufacturers shaft launch and spin charts. Even those weren’t consistent from one brand to another. This is awesome. This is why I don’t mind donating. This will be fun to watch.

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      vincent schiavo

      6 years ago

      Still need to be fit, man…variability in CPM from shaft to shaft even by the same manufacturer/shaft model/flex is vexing

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      Kevin Fitzgerald

      6 years ago

      Thank you. It is much needed information.

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      xjohnx

      6 years ago

      As we say here in New England, this is going to be wicked awesome.

      Really looking forward to learning a lot from this. Thanks, Tony!

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      Kevin Fitzgerald

      6 years ago

      Thank you. Much needed info

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      Dustin C Barrett

      6 years ago

      I really like the idea of this. My SS is only 108-109 on a normal swing but my transition is quick and I load most shafts much harder than just my SS would state. I have found some stiffs that work tipped and some x’s but no perfect fit yet. And I can’t afford a high end fitting and still afford a new driver or shaft.

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      Rob

      6 years ago

      Hey Tony,

      I’m surprised you didn’t reach out to Tom Wishon for this venture. He’s had a shaft bend profile software out forever that plots the shaft profiles of thousands of shafts. S3 sounds like it’s building on this software. Unfortunately Tom has sold his business to a UK company and it’s unlikely the shaft bend profile software will be updated as a result. Tom stated that they would be continuing with it but no progress has been made in years.

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      Keith Irvine

      6 years ago

      Totally Agree Rob. I don’t think there is a soul out there that knows more about shafts, clubs, club design and fittings. He has his own line of clubs available only through his clubfitting dealers, and they are spectacular. His videos..numerous.. also discuss shafts and why getting the ‘right’ one is critical………

      Reply

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