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AskMyGolfSpy Vol. 32 

Q: What are the three most important things in your golf bag?  

Other than clubs and balls … 

  1. Rain gear – I have a Kjus rain jacket and pants and they’re worth every penny. I played in constant rain last weekend. Everything underneath stayed dry. The guys I was playing with spent less on their rainwear and all they got for their savings was wet. 

    I also have a 35-year-old Outdoor Research Seattle Sombrero that’s still the best rain hat I’ve ever used. 
  2. A small first aid kit – A simple kit with Band-Aids, blister bandages, Advil and tweezers that I’ve had to use more than once. What can I say? I spend a lot of time in waste areas and woods. 
  3. Ball Marker – It used to be my Bad Mother F*cker ball marker from Seamus. I lost it and now I’m sad. 

Q: Do you think golf ball quality has improved since you started testing? 

I think there have been improvements in some places. Callaway has certainly invested in getting better (though I think they planned to, regardless). TaylorMade bought a factory and Titleist just keeps being Titleist. 

COVID’s inventory demands put a strain on a lot of factories so, in some cases, we’ve seen a dip. 

We’ve also seen overseas factories taking measures to obfuscate a bit of what they’re doing. For example, some factories change core colors for different brands even though the balls are the same.  

We’ve also seen less specificity in cargo/shipping information as some brands try to hide where their product is being sourced. 

Q: PING G430 Irons- Power Spec, what are your thoughts? – markogorzlak 

PING G430 irons with the innovative PURFLEX badge.

In general, I like the G430 irons and I’m certainly interested to see how they perform in our Most Wanted testing. 

It may sound odd but I think the PURFLEX cavity badge in the G430 irons is one of the best tech stories of the year. It’s easily overlooked but we haven’t seen anything like it before. 

As far as Power Spec (stronger lofts) goes, it’s great so long as you’re getting playable spin rates, descent angles … that sort of thing. 

Q: How many times can I hit a Pro V1 at 185 mph before the core goes bad and starts losing distance? – KopDreamer 

A Titleist Pro V1 golf ball along with the core of the same model.

It’s not something I’d worry about. Long before that happens, you’ll either lose it, damage the cover or crack the ball (especially if you’re hitting into a screen). 

Q: If Titleist died tomorrow, what golf ball would you play going forward? -DrHighGround 

Well, that’s a morbid thought.  

Anyway, I’d like to defer this answer until early next year. The answer is either Callaway, TaylorMade or Bridgestone

All three have new Tour-level balls coming next year and, while I’ve had issues at one time or another with all three, I think I could find a way to be happy with something in the mix. 

Q: Are Wilson putters and balls good enough? – MWFarizK 

A wilson staff blade putter

For sure. 

It seems like every year we have at least one Wilson putter that finishes high in the rankings and warrants our Best Value award. 

As far as the balls go, I’d stay away from the ionomer stuff (I’d say the same about everybody) but their Foremost-made urethane product has performed well both on the robot and in our Ball Lab.  

From a fitting perspective, the Staff Model and the Triad aren’t for everyone but the quality is among the best. 

Q: With Adams making its comeback, what other defunct golf company would you like to see rise from the ashes? -crimsoncowboy31 

The 2023 Adams Golf IDEA golf clubs lineup

I gave this some thought and what I came up with was nobody.  

Enough of this nostalgia crap. Let sleeping dogs lie and whatnot. 

I understand the allure of reviving old brands—we’ve seen quite a bit of it in the last decade: Hogan, Hogan again, MacGregor, Lynx and now Adams (although, technically, Adams never went away). 

I hope something comes of Adams but, at some point, we also have to acknowledge that the heritage of these brands, the reason why we loved them once upon a time, is gone. 

In most cases, nobody associated with the original brand is still around. All that’s left are logos and a story about how things used to be. 

There’s no real point in that. 

Q: Who’s the worst for giving high speed players a raw deal on shaft upcharge pricing? -drewboy31 

Fujikura Ventus Shafts

I don’t know why this question fascinated me but it did. So I did some digging. I looked at upgrade pricing for the top five driver brands (Callaway, COBRA, PING, TaylorMade, Titleist). I grabbed prices from the company websites as well as PGA TOUR Superstore (because PING doesn’t sell DTC). 

As you can imagine, there’s not a ton of overlap in upgrade offerings so I focused on a couple of popular lines that everyone offers: Fujikura’s Ventus (VeloCore) and Graphite Designs’ Tour AD series. 

With the caveat that some retailers and custom fitters may sell upgrades for less (or more) and that other upgrades might offer better (or worse) value, here’s what I came up with. 

PING is the worst.  

At PGA TOUR Superstore, both the Ventus and Tour AD lines carry a $355 upcharge. For a bit of context, MSRP on Ventus is $350. I’m hoping that’s a $5 typo. 

Callaway, TaylorMade and Titleist are marginally better. The first two charge $350 for the Ventus upgrade while Titleist charges $345.  

Tour AD pricing is $250 through Callaway and TaylorMade. Titleist sells many Graphite Design offerings for a $200 upcharge under its premium featured shafts program. 

graphite design shafts

Frankly, charging full MSRP for Ventus (or any other upgrade) is mind-boggling. To me, it suggests that the stock shafts are worthless. Seriously, they have no value. Electing not to buy the stock shafts gives you a $0 credit toward the shaft you actually want. 

That’s lame. 

You’d be better off sourcing a Ventus elsewhere and trying to offload the stock shaft for $50 on eBay.  

Hey, manufacturers. Is that really what you want? 

Of the top five driver brands, COBRA has the most consumer-friendly upgrade pricing. No doubt, some of that has to do with its relative size which, to an extent, mandates that it has to bundle performance with some measure of value. 

Through COBRA’s custom program, a Ventus upgrade is only $250. The same is true for the Graphite Design stuff. 

Let’s look at the big picture.  

Pricing out the cost of what I’m most likely to play in each of those manufacturers’ lineups along with a Ventus Black upgrade shakes out like this: 

Worth a mention: Either of TaylorMade’s other two Stealth 2 drivers will save you $30. The same is true for the PING lineup. That said, my conclusion here is that COBRA offers a ridiculous amount of value (on a relative basis), especially for golfers who want/need a premium shaft in their driver. 

And not for nothing, I’m still in the process of testing drivers to figure out which one is going in my bag this year. All of the above will get a look but the leader in the clubhouse right now is the AEROJET LS. 

Bang for the buck, it’s the no-brainer in this conversation. 

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      Edward Wainwright

      3 years ago

      I am very frustrated in my search for a new driver. I have tried several of the most popular brands all of which are supposed to provide increased distance all have promised increased distance from every model year since I bought my 20 year old titliest yet the results are always less distance with the new models?

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      Mark Sarookanian

      3 years ago

      Other it being old and beat up, is there any advantage to upgrading your bag or push cart?

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      Russ Pankonin

      3 years ago

      Bought a Rogue ST last year. Upgraded from stock to mitsuibishi diamana. Spin numbers were way high 3500-4200 with stock and upgrade shaft. Put in a grafaloy R 50 gram. Dispersion tightened, spin rate dropped consistently to under 3000. Shaft cost me $60 with new tip. More bang for far less bucks!!

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      Leon

      3 years ago

      Slightly off-topic, but still under the shaft upcharge umbrella … I was recently fit for a driver, fairways and a hybrid. Fitter said same shaft would be fine in fwy’s that he put me into with driver, so that was easy. The hybrid shaft I ended up in was a stock offering at no upcharge IN THE HYBRID, but he said that club family should be thought of as being in the iron shaft world (as they are intended to replace long irons) … that same shaft in my hybrid brings an upcharge if I want it as a CUSTOM in their new irons …. WTF ? Is this an example of skewing the sales numbers to maximize profit, or what? Same price for them to buy, but cut them shorter and add a different head (AND SELL THEM IN MULTIPLES INSTEAD OF INDIVIDUALS OR PAIRS PER CUSTOMER) … ??? :-(

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      Leonard Graff

      3 years ago

      A review of upgrade shaft performance would be useful. At my last fitting (by a major fitting chain), I was told 3 times that the OEM shafts were junk. The recommended shaft at my fitting was $400. The improvement was 4 yards of distance and slightly better dispersion Not much bang for the buck.

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      Mike

      3 years ago

      Sounds like another club chumpion story.

      Reply

      John O

      3 years ago

      PXG Gen 6 Drivers also come in at $799 with the Ventus Black. $749 if you’ve served …..

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      WiTerp50

      3 years ago

      Amortize your next driver over 14 years, like your 910? Seriously, unless competing at a high level, 2-4 year old or some of the better “off brands” drivers will produce indistinguishable results from the latest $600+ offerings if price is an obstacle. Just that most of us archers keep hoping the next bow will get us 50 more yards.

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      Mark R

      3 years ago

      If I’m paying $599 for a new driver, it should come with an excellent shaft without the need to upgrade unless I’m a tour pro.

      My question is what benefit do most golfers get by ordering the $350 upgraded shaft?

      Maybe MGS will run a comparison of slow, med, and fast swing speeds with stock versus upgraded shafts and get some real data.

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      Da Slammer

      3 years ago

      Those are some really good answers today, for once lol
      I love the sarcasm and lot of disdain too!
      The shaft up charge thing is outta hand and has been since the beginning. What a hype. 95% golfers would do just fine with shafts that cost less than $50. And that includes Tour players. What a racket they came up with. Such a scam.

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      Tim

      3 years ago

      Are we trending towards $1000 drivers? I want to “upgrade” my 910 D3 but cannot pay $600-700 for one club that I hit 13x a round.

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      Jeff

      3 years ago

      The fact that I’m spending $500+ on a new driver and by chance I have to go into an “upcharge” shaft and get ZERO CREDIT towards it is a slap in the face to the consumer. We’re not stupid and see nickel & diming a mile ahead. At least at Sub70 they only charge an upcharge of $250 for the Ventus. But when the base price of the driver is $279 to start with, it’s a bit more palatable.

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      bob

      3 years ago

      Seems like the big club makers should line up a deal with a few shaft companies and offer the driver head only for $350 and a way to get a quality shaft for $300. I am not in the know about manufacturing and how costs accumulate towards producing the entire club/shaft/grip combo and just knocking out heads but it seems like a good route to make everyone happy.

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      Jeff

      3 years ago

      I think buying components is the next thing. If they truly care about “Finding the right fit”, they’d offer components only.

      Da Slammer

      3 years ago

      It’s not just about manufacturing costs and then mark ups at retail for the sake of.
      They have to make extra profit on top of it all to pay their employees as well as their star players on Tour. And that’s GLOBAL. Speaking of whom the manufacturers give out free clubs and shafts even to those barely with any status to the point that the margins have to be made somewhere and that’s where it is with retail.
      Nobody in the entire industry will admit to it but it’s a rich man’s game and always has been and always will be. Anybody who says otherwise are in denial or don’t want to let the cat out of the bag about the truth.
      But, the used market is strong.

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